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"Making the game too personal."
Posted by Estee on 11-21-08 at 07:58 AM
The ultimate (and oft-failed) argument someone in the F2 can present in front of the jury is 'It's just the game. You can't take it personally. I did what I had to because it was the game. This isn't how I'd act outside it. It's just how the game itself forces me to be. Vote based on how I played, not on how it made me look or how it made you feel.'

This cast has never heard of that argument.

The last couple of boots have been about nothing except personality conflict. A postgame-revealed problem between Charlie and Ken: Ken targets Charlie. The majority alliance is fed up with Randy, doesn't have the brains to carry him as a jury non-threat, and they have the numbers to get rid of him without fuss or bother -- but that's not good enough: they have to humiliate him on the way out. And their target? Votes to bounce the single weakest person in that alliance, not because it's game-related in any way, but because it's personal, and says so on the spot.

These aren't strategists. These are first graders running around screaming to their teacher about who hit who first -- when in reality, they've all been pounding on each other the whole time, and it's really a race to see who can get the most people in trouble.

The F2/3 is going to face a very ugly, very angry jury -- including those from the majority alliance, because they don't have the maturity to see their ouster as 'just being the game'. What can they say to justify their actions? Nothing, because it was personal, and some of them would smugly boast about it. And what will the jury listen to? Nothing. Some of them don't hear anything but the constant howl of rage echoing in their skulls.

This is going to get a lot uglier before it's over. I don't think there's any way to stop it. And I wonder if this is what the producers really wanted...

If it was, then the next season will be worse.

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"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by jbug on 11-21-08 at 10:09 AM
If Matty or Corrine or Bob don't make it to the Final, I can't imagine who Randy will vote for.
No one has ever refused to cast a vote. Randy could be the first.
Wonder if MB put a clause in the contract that you vote or he sues you.


My name is Jbug and I'm a shopaholic (Agman is too)

"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by iltarion on 11-21-08 at 12:20 PM
Good post, Estee. I think you overstated things at times, (rage echoing in their heads?), but you certainly hit on the underlying tone of this season. These people just don't like each other. Personally, one of the main reasons I watch Survivor or any other reality TV is to see strangers interact and bond and form relationships with each other that end up having value. It is all interesting and sometimes educational to see what makes strangers come together or what makes strangers dislike each other. There doesn't seem to be any strong relationships this season. It is everyone lying and deceiving and playing their own game. I have a hard time getting into that.


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"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by Estee on 11-21-08 at 12:27 PM
(rage echoing in their heads?)

I was thinking of Randy and Crystal when I wrote that, with the potential to add Corinne. (Randy's entire existence is a single extended howl of jealousy. Corinne isn't far behind, and Crystal runs on pure rage against whoever offended her last.) The real struggle on the jury with all three present there would be to see who would make the most bitter speech -- and each might try to figure out who the other two was voting for just as to go against them.

"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by garcor on 11-21-08 at 09:13 PM
I think a lot of it is the producers; either choosing players who portray themselves as being mean spirited (Randy, Corinne); or encouraging participants to play up to the cameras (Corinne's rant about Sugar being a moron for one.)
"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by jbug on 12-12-08 at 09:03 PM
I've been watching the videos from Ponderosa.
Wow! Corrine is a real bltch!
She carries on about how cool she & her friends are and how stoopid and all the others are.
Talk about taking it personal!
It's like she can not comprehend that everyone was there to try to win - not just her.
When Crystal arrived, they all completely ignored her!
There were even production people around to talk with her I guess cause the others wouldn't. Well Randy finally talked to her but you can imagine how ugly he was.
Charlie admitted that he really didn't know Crystal and had nothing to base anything against her on - but... he has to ignore her too so that his friends don't get mad at him. LOL Talk about schoolyard children!
And when they rode to Crystal's first TC? The others rode together and she rode in another van.
"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by Aruba on 12-13-08 at 07:57 AM
WOW...interesting tidbit of information. Thanks for sharing!

HMMM...smells like a "block vote" to me. Should they have a F3, those four could carry the vote and declare a winner regardless of the other three. Sure glad our Justice System doesn't work that way! LOL

"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by vince3 on 12-13-08 at 11:14 AM
I could've sworn that when RTVW interviewed Biotch Corrine, she basically had stated that fact.......
"RE: Making the game too personal."
Posted by garcor on 12-15-08 at 09:48 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-15-08 AT 09:48 PM (EST)

Was carried to its ultimate conclusion at final TC with Corinne's appalling remarks to Sugar and Sugar's one-fingered response. Can understand that Sugar's in game mood swings might have worn on people after a while (as the always willing to point out other's flaws Marcus mentioned during the reunion), but the behavior of the Onion's in general during final TC was annoying at best. Corinne was the worst, but Marcus' condemnation of Suzie for having the nerve to play the game by voting him out made Marcus seem tiresomely self-centered. As bad as Randy was, at least he provided some humor at the reunion. Found his reasoning for inviting his "guests" unique.