KO Fan, I was doing this same analysis and came to the same conclusions.

I was thinking Colby might be the one to sit out. He hasn't let his tribe know, but he is still recovering from a broken colarbone and other injuries. He may suggest he sits out this time.

As for the Chapera tribe, I am starting to think Boston Rob will sit. He hasn't sat out yet (and Tom and Alicia have) and this is just a reward challenge. And maybe Tom? Tom and Boston Rob did all the hard work for the shelter building challenge. So maybe the older gentleman needs a break?

I agree with KO's analysis.

I think Colby is going to be the one to sit out...he is trying not to be a big target this time and the challenges are where people see the strong comptetiors.

And just one question, GB yo made the comment Tom and Boston Rob did all the hard work for the shelter building challenge. So maybe the older gentleman needs a break?

How is Boston Rob an older gentleman?

man I feel old

Ok, so let's think about this a second:

The rule: You cannot sit out the same competitor in consecutive challenges.

The last RC had (as KOBrienfan pointed out) these people sitting out: Sue and Amber for Chapera, Kathy and Richard for Mogo Mogo

We have seen that the block challenge that they didn't complete because Jenna M left (I feel bad for you, Jenna, but I'm glad you made the decision you did - it was the right one!) is still going to be done. And we do see that sitting out will be Rob C and Amber for Chapera and Shii Ann for Mogo Mogo.

Now, since Amber is sitting out 2 challenges in a row, then only one of two things could have happened. A) The rule doesn't matter because there was a challenge in between (that just didn't get played), or B) The block challenge is for IC and not RC.

So if it is still an IC, then the people that have to play RC will have to be:

Chapera - Amber, Sue, RobC (leaving either RobM, BigTom, or Alicia to fill the last spot)
Mogo Mogo - Rich, Kathy, Shii Ann (leaving either Colby or Lex to fill the last spot)

Sorry John, I fail to see how this says anything different then what I had above in my original post????

I've been trying to determine if the IC from EP3 is used as the RC in EP4, because it was already set up and cancelled on Day 9.

(This assumes that the "pummeling" is something other than what we see in the previews...we have had lots of challenges in past seasons that involved battling on balance beams to knock the other team "off their feet".)

As I remember the rule it only applied to each 3 day cycle of RC, IC and TC. After a boot the rule "resets".

You cannot sit out consecutive challenges (in a boot cycle).

Does anyone know for sure? I'm not that certain...

Krautboy

It never says sit out consecutive challenges in a boot cycle, Jiffy always says "and remember you can not sit out the same person in consecutive challenges" Nothing that I can remember has ever deviated from this.

The press release Blows puts out seems to confirm that the block challenge in the previews is the IC, not the RC.

As far as the "sit out" rule goes, I would have to go back and actually review the challenges but I am fairly certain that the rule has only been applied in "3 day cycles." That was at the very least the case in S4, they may have modified it since then.

I don't know if EPMB and Jiffy will hold the castaways to the rule when Jenna's departure was unexpected. They may be permitted to start afresh. Still, at the very least, Rob6, Amber, and Shii Ann must participate in the RC as they are sitting out the IC.

I think KOfan is right in saying that it doesn't matter if it's a "boot cycle". If you sit out an IC, then you can't sit out the next RC, but you can still sit out the following IC.

But I do agree that I'm not sure if the challenge is RC or IC. But because Amber sat out the Home Depot RC as well as the block challenge, then (and this comes back to KOfan's question as to why I posted my reply to her post), there has to be some challenge in between. Either the Jenna-leaving challenge counts for not sitting someone out, and everyone is eligible to participate; or the block challenge is indeed for IC, and the players that KOfan listed (and I listed in a format that made it easier for me to understand, hence another reason for posting) for both the RC and the IC.

I'm sorry John, I must just be dense. In my post I said:
From this we can determine that Kathy, Richard and Shii Ann all must participate in the RC, so either Lex or Colby must sit out.
and you said:
Rich, Kathy, Shii Ann (leaving either Colby or Lex to fill the last spot)

So clearly by reversing Rich and Kathy in your post it made it easier for you to understand, as did transposing Colby and Lex.

Same thing for Chapera et al. Oh well.

So, KOb, here is your misunderstanding:

You think that I'm just restating what you said because I am a DAW. However, if you look at how many posts I have, I don't just decide to say stuff so I can read my name. My point, that you so densely missed, was to indicate who would be participating in the challenge. Your post indicated who would be sitting out.

Your post was, IMHO, to indicate who sits out the ep4 RC; my post was to indicate who plays. 2 sides of the same coin, but nonetheless a different point of view.

I was also pointing out that the block challenge has to be the IC and not the RC because of Amber's absense in the ep3 RC and the block challenge.

Do you have any other questions that I can politely answer for you? I promise not to use too much sarcasm in my reply. ;)

No thats ok, you did a good job of reiterating my point. It had nothing whatsoever to do with DAW's either.

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LAST EDITED ON 02-13-04 AT 04:13 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-13-04 AT 04:03 PM (EST)

The CBS website gives us this picture of Chapera (E3):

In this thread, Bungler posted caps from Ep 3 and from the preview at the end of E3.

Tribes walking in to IC (E3):

Chapera walking in to IC (E3):

All 3 tribes shortly before JennaM left (E3):

Lex in the preview (E4):

Colby, Ethan & Tom in foreground; RobC, Amber & Shii-Ann in background (E4):

Colby clobbers Tom (E4):

Colby takes a fall (E4):

BRob in foreground; Kathy in background (E4):

BRob and Amber (E4):

And, Frisky posted the Fever vidcaps for the CBS online video preview here.

JennaL? (E4):

Lex takes a dive (E4):

Tom foreground; Ethan background; ??? far back (E4):

Tom falls foreground; Ethan background (E4):

Rich (E4):

Colby falls (E4):

RobC and Amber (E4):

Jeff (E4):

Tom on the ground and Colby? (E4):

Did everything happen on the same day? The one change I've been able to verify is that RobC is wearing a hat during the challenge. Does that mean it's a different day, or is it a hat that someone took off for the challenge? I think he's wearing the same shirt and his buff is in the same place around his forearm.

Perhaps Jeff's outfit would be the easiest to match. I can't find any pictures from E3's cancelled IC online, though, and I haven't rewatched my video yet. Edited again to add, I just watched the tape, and JP was wearing a dark (navy/black) shirt for E3 IC.

Edited to add, Amber's hair is pulled back in E3, and it's down in E4, but she also has rubberbands on her wrists in E4, so she may have just pulled it down. Her clothes appear identical as far as I can see, not that she has much to pick from.

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UDG

Great job UDG!

However, the pic of Jiffy tells me it is another day. In last night's final minutes Jiffy had a black or dark blue collared shirt with khaki shorts. He was not wearing the light colored shirt in your vid cap.

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