It is amazing to me that Rob's military career was ruined for being rather "impulsive" with a lady friend and that this keeps creeping up years later. As this American society is "obsessed" with sex, i.e. tv ads and shows are so suggestive, yet we are very eager to pass judgement on this quite intelligent man and seem to enjoy it too. Shame on you. It is clear to me that Rob must have known the lady who he allegedly fondled quite well. Who sleeps with an open door? How did he know where she was? Seems there is more to the story. And why is she coming foreward now? Seems she is enjoying "rubbing" it in, she seems more like the "dumped" girlfriend. Anyone else whould have kept this to themselves (dignity) rather than discussing this years later and exposing Rob in an unfavorable position. I have been raised in Europe and it really surprises me that a non intentional "fondle" will haunt someone for life. Come on America, catch the real criminals who cost us billions in theft, murder, etc., this is so petty....

As for Rob, I really hope he finds the lady of his dreams. I do not believe he was in love with either Paige or Erin. Paige was way too young for him and they really had nothing in common (except for kissing) to make a relationship work. As for Erin, I think she was never truly interested in him and just led him on since she wanted to win.

• RE: Stop bashing Rob re his "checkered" past!,DRONES, 04:01 AM, 07-09-03
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• A few words on Rob's Military career,SurvivinDawg, 08:21 AM, 07-10-03
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    • RE: A few words on Rob's Military career,Guppin1234, 06:33 AM, 07-12-03
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• RE: Stop bashing Rob re his "checkered" past!,DebCapsFan, 02:17 PM, 07-14-03
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Rob sought out this show, and put himself into this unfavorable position. It reminds me of a line from the movie Airplane"They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash."

I didn't realize that sexual assualt was permissable in Europe these days.

DRONES

It surprises me too. Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Rob was working hard for a high-end coveted position within the US Gov, so why would he do something so dangerous so as jeopardize his future career?

To put himself in that position, he must have been in a trusted relationship with that woman, and then she probably stabbed him in the back for whatever reason, or someone else who also wanted the JAG position was out to slander Rob in order to get one step closer to the position. ##### happens all the time, especially in pursuit of something like JAG.

He then asked for an honorable discharge which probably means he became disillusioned with the whole process and couldn't stand to be among those people any longer not knowing for sure who would do something so vicious. It's possible anyway, only he knows for sure, and you're right, why would she, after all this time, come forward with crap like that? It's indicative of her true nature - avenging ##### from hell (I can't stand people like that).

Perhaps this woman knew that the JAG position would send Rob to different locations, and she didn't want to lose him to the position - who knows why women do these things - but in any case, she should have spoken to Rob first about it. He doesn't come across as the type who would force himself on a woman, and they teach respect and honorable behavior in the military. He had reached a high point in his career for a reason, and I think the rape cases within the military are probably rare. I'm sure men get raped by other men in the military as well.... so I guess this woman got what she wanted, she verbally raped Rob's character/career, and got away with it.

Rob's superior officer must have given him the benefit of the doubt, otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten an honorable discharge.

I would love to put those people who sling crap in the spot light, as they seem to get a perverse enjoyment out of other people's suffering. You never know who joins these chat rooms, so they are probably just trashy tabloid people, one of the rejects from the shows, or even some slimy NBC idiot trying to "spice" up the show (at least in his/her terms).

It could have been a really classy event with a happy ending for everyone, but they put absolutely no forethought into choosing the women. They are probably related to someone at NBC or a friend of a friend, whatever.

Seems to me that if Paige truly believed she was falling in love with Rob, she should be missing his company. A normal reaction would be to swallow your pride and at least talk to him and leave the door open or exchange addresses if appropriate. I think she's trying to come across as handling the rejection with grace, but her back talk presents her as a jilted prom queen.

Okay, I don't think I have ever been as enraged as I am after reading the posts on this thread. Guppin and Girl...What time capsule have you stepped out of?? Are you back in the 50s?? I cannot believe the words that you have written regarding this incident.

Rape cases within the military rare?? HE doesn't come across as the type who would force himself on a woman?? How does that type look?? And just for the "hey" of it..the WOMAN didn't just now come forward...this was on record for years. As said previously, The Smoking Gun found it.

Okay, I'm done...changed my mind. I am not wasting my time!! Ignorance is seldom cured, especially at 2:30 in the morning.

Debi

>It is clear to me that Rob must have known the
>lady who he allegedly fondled quite well.
>Who sleeps with an open door? How did
>he know where she was?

You lost all credibility that you had any clue what you were talking about with this statement. As has been widely reported:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/campos1.html

According to the woman, she was asleep in her barracks when she heard a knock at the door. Assuming that it may have been a locked-out suitemate, she got out of bed and opened the door, without asking who was there. "I was on a naval base," she explained. "I wasn't worried about my safety." When she opened the door, Campos rushed in, closing the door behind him. While the woman knew Campos, who lived on a different floor of the building, she did not socialize with him.

...next time try educating yourself to the situation if you expect anyone to waste their time reading your opinions.

-SB

Thank you Webby for finding that quote, as I was about too.

To the original poster of this thread, how dare you imply that the woman deserved it? Does any woman deserved to be groped against her will? Know what the hell you are talking about first. Don't get your facts from a reality TV show that features a man like him.

Damn! I had a long post typed, and lost it! Let me try again:

In the light of the posts defending Rob, I've been meaning to post this for a while. I am speaking from the experience of having been a military officer.

The military has a need for two professions that cause them to give special perks. One profession is medicine: doctors and nurses. The other is lawyers for the JAG (Judge Advocate General's) Corps.

In the Army (and other branches, with commiserate rank), an Officer is commissioned a Second Lieutenant (2LT). Officers for the Medical, Nursing, and JAG Corps get promoted to First Lieutenant (1LT) very quickly (the rest of us take 18 months or so). After Officer training, they are promoted to Captain (at least a four year wait for most).

Military training for anyone is expensive, but can be more expensive for these fields. People in these fields (as well as Military Intelligence) are not kicked out very lightly, or on a whim.

At the same time, the standards of being an officer are a higher level than for enlisted or the general populace, and it doesn't take much to ruin an officer's career. (For example, an LT in my unit was a West Point graduate, and a standout and standup guy, and a good officer. However, our Lt. Colonel (LTC) didn't like him (thought he partied too much), and gave him a slightly lower senior-rater rating. The LT was passed over for promotion to Captain, almost unheard-of for a West Point graduate).

So, we can surmise that Rob was a newly commissioned officer still in training when the Incident occurred, and very likely had never actually practiced law in the military.

There is an old adage that "If you're guilty, you want a civilian trial; if you're innocent, you'd rather have a court-martial." The basis for this is that the Military operates under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which is more simple and straightforward than civilian law (see for example: O.J. Simpson case) and it's technicalities, etc. In general, the Military would rather get to the truth of the matter (either way), while the civilian court (the defense lawyers, anyway) concentrates on "reasonable doubt" and technicalities, etc. etc.

Therefore, the military probably very thoroughly investigated the Incident concerning Rob before taking the (drastic) step of removing him from service. I have NO doubts of Rob's guilt in this Incident. And it certainly showed that Rob was not qualified to be a military officer.

So, is there ANY surprise at all that this incident "ruined" Rob's military career?!?! Not to me.

As to the present "continuing to bring up" the Incident, and it "haunting {him} for life"... remember that ROB volunteered to be on the show, not the victim of the Incident, not anyone else. Rob did this of his own free will, no one forced him. If he had not been on the show, nobody WOULD know of the Incident!

Furthermore, on the show Rob acted like a boorish, leering, doofus LOSER the whole time. He is obviously not a good lawyer, he doesn't speak well, he doesn't appear to be quick on his feet, thought-wise.

So, the Incident just reinforced the opinions of Rob that could be and were formed just by watching the show (that Rob VOLUNTEERED to be on).

Will it haunt him for life? I dunno... if he keeps doing things that bring the incident up, yes it sure will. Rob is a LOSER anyway, and until and unless he straightens himself up and turns it around, he'll continue to be a LOSER.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Good evening Surviving Dawg:

I am writing this as the Survivor of a man who spent 30 years on active Duty as an officer.

I have learned quite a bit about what is expected from any man or woman in uniform from the highest military seminary of the Land.

Rob Campos may not have been cut to be a military officer or used best judgment, but this whole affair is based on allegations proferred by that female officer. No one was there to hold the candle. Look at the accusions leveled at some of the AF cadets. I do know from the best sources that some of them are not quite what they have been represented.

Please give Rob Campos the benefit of the doubt. And give a thought to his poor parents. Don't throw the first stone, remember what happened next.

Very sincerely. E.J.H.

EJH,
First, thank you for your service to the Nation.

Second, Rob's case is not the recent Air Force Academy cases, nor is it Kobe Bryant.

Third, in Rob's case, I believe he left his vomit on the girl's room's floor. Also, having seen him on TV, especially in Episode 2 having had too much to drink, I believe in his guilt, so sorry. Rob is a lush, cannot hold his alcohol, he's boorish and leering, and I wouldn't want my daughter near him when he was sober, MUCH less when he was drunk.

Last, we've had the discussions about the "poor parents" etc. in the Survivor areas. Here's the bottom line: these guys put themselves on TV voluntarily, and therefore expose themselves to the scrutiny they get, as well as the criticism. If I ever get on Survivor, I'll expect the same scrutiny. Those who cannot withstand the scrutiny should think twice about being on these shows.


Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

are you a relative of Rob's? Or Paige's?

>Please give Rob Campos the benefit
>of the doubt. And
>give a thought to his
>poor parents. Don't throw
>the first stone, remember what
>happened next.
>
>Very sincerely. E.J.H.

Finally! Someone else with a sense of compassion. I wonder when, according to their basher's handbook on perfection, people are entitled to start over and move on. They only want to believe the tabloids, but if The Smoking Gun ever found anything in Rob's defense, do you think they'd publish it? Absolutely not - that doesn't sell and it would contradict too much what they have already published. And they take these sources as fact - end of story. It's close minded, foolish and very scary to give some pitful rag that kind of power. This is a forum, but if you go against the grain and oppose the basher's too much, they ask you to leave the chat room, some forum, huh?

THANK YOU SurvivinDawg for pointing out what the smart people noticed about that show...Rob's "obvious intelligence" must have been wasted on me. See, I realize I could be scarred by his rapist past, but when did he say/do/be anything more than an idiot. "You, um, look nice...that's a nice dress..." Give me a break. I have no forgiveness for anyone just because they are new. I am new yet came with some smarts...please, you Rob-lovers, could you at least back up your words with PROOF? AHHH!!

Words alone cannot express how angry this thread has made me.
All I can say is I sincerely hope you are never the victim of an innocent little fondle.

Keep typing daltxgirl, I'm in the mood to see a flame broiled newbie today and your name is on the specials menu.

Re-read your post please. Then read the responses. Then post again and tell us all that you truly believe that it was her fault and now she's just being petty.

--in search of truth, justice and a kick ass mojito

Well, I was quite surprised re some of the messages that were posted. I guess someone learns something new everyday.

Some of you agreed, yes I certainly believe that things were blown up re his little night out when he got drunk.

I am quite an attractive woman and men always make "passes" at me (not touching). I have had little incidents in college that people came to the door & tried to "stumble" in with the some type of excuse. You know, I did handle those situations. May be I was lucky. But if I would have been in a similar situation as this female who knew Rob, would I have called the authorities and make a big deal out of nothing, really? Destroy that person's life, in order that they have a record for the rest of their life? Certainly I would have talked with that person the next day when they had a clear mind and expected an appology. I think that someone really has to "violate" me in order for me to do that. And believe me violating is not just a "grope", it also can be an act such as a break in. And yes I had a break-in some time ago and I felt very violated, and o/c reported this to the police. Well, we all have done stupid things, believe me none of us are saints.

At any rate, whoever is "stewing" out there about Rob and wants to react again on this, please by my guest.

This reminds me how America was yes, the laughing stock of the world when president Bill Clinton could not keep his pants on... And guess what he got re-elected! Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones and miss BJ Monica who is now getting her own TV show.

You know, I really don't get it. Here we have Rob who "groped" a woman and now he is this really bad dude, well he is even being called a "rapist". And then we have Monica and Bill! Gosh, I guess it is now "honerable" to give the President of the U.S. a "bl-- j--. The rewards are fine... own clothing line, tv show... and Bill o/c collecting fine fees for his lectures, etc., etc....

Well here we go again! Have fun!

have had little incidents in college that people came to the door & tried to "stumble" in with the some type of excuse. You know, I did handle those situations. May be I was lucky.

I would say so.

But if I would have been in a similar situation as this female who knew Rob, would I have called the authorities and make a big deal out of nothing, really? Destroy that person's life, in order that they have a record for the rest of their life?

By the same token: "'No' means no." If the girl asked Rob to leave and he didn't, then she has her rights, too.

Certainly I would have talked with that person the next day when they had a clear mind and expected an appology.

That may be your way of handling it, but what if the guy tried to get physical with you?

I think that someone really has to "violate" me in order for me to do that.

I think it's pretty clear that Rob did some violating in the incident, and that the girl had to basically fight him off. And, not everyone would handle that situation the way you would. I know I'd teach my daughter to hande it by screaming at the top of her lungs, calling the police, and getting away from the bastige.

Well, we all have done stupid things, believe me none of us are saints.

True, but most of us don't go onto Reality TV shows and make drunken fools of ourselves, as Rob did. Most of us don't go onto Reality TV shows and confirm by our behaviour every bad thing that is implied in the military Incident report. Most of us don't go onto a Reality TV show and say we have no regrets about our past actions, etc.

At any rate, whoever is "stewing" out there about Rob and wants to react again on this, please by my guest.

I'm not stewing at all. But these boards are for "reacting" (which I call "discussing"), so I appreciate your permission to do so.

This reminds me how America was yes, the laughing stock of the world when president Bill Clinton could not keep his pants on... And guess what he got re-elected! Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones and miss BJ Monica who is now getting her own TV show.

I don't know why you brought Bill Clinton into this, but here's my response to that: You forgot to mention Juanita Brodderick. Who is she? Why, the woman Bill Clinton forcibly raped. Hmmm, you might be right: Rob and Bill *do* have some things in common...

You know, I really don't get it.

I thought you said you were an attractive woman. (Sorry, couldn't resist that one. )

Seriously, what's not to get?

Here we have Rob who "groped" a woman and now he is this really bad dude, well he is even being called a "rapist". And then we have Monica and Bill! Gosh, I guess it is now "honerable" to give the President of the U.S. a "bl-- j--. The rewards are fine... own clothing line, tv show... and Bill o/c collecting fine fees for his lectures, etc., etc....

Again... Juanita Brodderick. But here's my question: are you really trying to use Bill Clinton to justify Rob?!?! 'Cause if you are, IMHO that's about the worst defense you could possibly come up with. If anything, your "Clinton defense" of Rob is doing nothing but making Rob look worse.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

There is quite interesting discussion going on. There are always 2 kind of men in this world. Rob lovers and Rob haters.
I think the guy has both good and bad qualities. Something is wired with Rob. He looks handsome but when opens his mouth I am looking the mute button on my remote. I donot how he is an attroney and has degree in physcology. And the final decision was so stupid. He might have brought some one else to final rounds.

Any way on the postive side he seems to be a nice, guinue and good hearted person. I think we have to give credit for that.
It is too bad his name got spoiled somuch and became a looser.
Hay come on. We have forgiven Bill. Why not this poor looser.
Show him some mercy.

Somthing was going on the show. seems like he will get money anyway even though he looses. Somewhere I read that Rob & Page are getting a chance in the Part II and heard lots of twist. i am not going to watch this stupid show. I hate Erin. I canot stand her laugh. One of the few persons I thought honest. Real gold digger. Any damn people immediatley would guess why the hell NBC is giving the money and the guy?. What is catch. She knew that. She is sales manager. Not a dump person.

If two people discuss this issue I am sure this topic would have poped up.

tvguy? I don't really understand most of what you said, but there are definately more then 2 kinds of guys in this world, and most of them could not give a care what kind of guy Rob is.
Obviously by the posts in this forum about him , there are some who think he is worthy of praise, and some who think he is creepy.
I think he is just another yahoo on another Reality show ( and not a very interesting one)

Some bad things about him that have been posted here are facts. His military record, the charges against him and their outcome, that he was let go by the law firm he worked at, that he signed up for this show on his own free will. Those things aren't opinion, those are facts. No one is being mean to Rob, or not giving him a break by posting the public information about his past.
This is a forum of opinon, but Reality TV World posts News stories also. Things that are of interest about The shows and people on them. It isn't bashing Rob to state the truth.

I am still wondering about the 2 kinds of men in this world though.

LAST EDITED ON 07-19-03 AT 03:05 AM (EST)

Okay, I'm just speechless!!! It's late at night and now I feel like I'm on some wierd acid trip with the tap dancing dwarf from Twin Peaks for company. I am fighting the urge to get out my red pen and revisit my days as a proofreader years ago, just to keep my sanity.

This thread is haunted, every time I think its over, something else comes clawing its way out of the virtual abyss of bizarre behavior and ends up on here. I know that I'm new but for crying out loud, I'm fairly normal, I swear I am!!

That said, perhaps now I can sleep a sleep of complete sentences and perfect grammar.

LAST EDITED ON 07-19-03 AT 06:37 PM (EST)

Oh good grief.

We have forgiven Bill.

If you mean Bill Clinton, I have not forgiven him for anything. Especially for being a forcible rapist.

But again, are you really wanting to use Bill Clinton as an example to defend and/or support Rob? If so, you're doing Rob a disservice.

Why not this poor looser. Show him some mercy.

And what is your definition of "show him some mercy"? To lie, and to say that he's an okay guy when it's obvious from both the TV show and his past military record and his past legal record that he's a sleazebag? That would be the Bill Clinton way of "showing mercy", I guess, but it's not mine.

By the way, my definition of "mercy" is "the opposite of justice." I think Rob is just getting the justice he deserves for his actions.

Also, Rob exposed himself to this by appearing on the show. If he didn't want to be castigated like some of us are doing, he should never have gotten on the show in the first place. Such price fame.

I hate Erin. I canot stand her laugh. One of the few persons I thought honest. Real gold digger.

Aw, c'mon... show the poor girl some MERCY!

Seriously, if you want to defend Rob, go for it... but bring game. "Defending" him by asking/telling us NOT to point out his obvious flaws and previous military and legal record isn't the way to go about it.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Well,
I defiantly respect Erin's decision. That is what I actually wanted her to do. I thought she played the game to get money. I know that all girls were in it for money. Erin played to smart to get the money.

I donot know what to tell about Rob. I am not defending him. He is lousy guy though. My point was is it relevant to bring his character into this show and argue about that so harshly. He was not introduced into this show as eligible bachelor. NBC just introduced as Love or Money?