The jury was laughing and making faces when there was only a hint of Erik giving up the necklace. Too bad Erik didn't notice their shock and laughter!! Nobody at tribal council contained themselves very well. Who really could?

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Yes, they did act like simple little school girls. I really don't care who wins, they can all lose for all I care. For Cirie, some say she's brilliant. I think she is merely scheming. For Natalie, she gives womanhood a bad name. Parvati, she and her 8700 teeth in her mush cannot be as much of a tramp as she appears, can she? Amanda, well I guess she is the least of the worst. Erik, you are still a dummy!!!! My wish is that everyone sees that show last night, and someone asks the "women" if they feel really proud of themselves. Then my hope is for that to happen to them.

For Cirie, some say she's brilliant. I think she is merely scheming.

In the game of Survivor, those are the same thing.

My wish is that everyone sees that show last night, and someone asks the "women" if they feel really proud of themselves.

I imagine they'd all say yes, because you do what you have to do to win. And none of them was sure he'd give it up until he actually did. Remember, a big part of their laughter was shock that he actually fell for it.

I have always held, and still think, that I could play this game without telling a lie. I know everyone says it's part of survivor. I disagree. Lying is a choice people make. You can chose to or not to. So I don't know that any of them deserve to win...except maybe James, who as far as I can remember, hasn't told a lie....no wait, didn't he tell Jason he wouldn't vote him out? Well, there you go; all he had to do was speak the truth. He made a choice.

Of course, if I were in the game, they'd probably spend the entire time looking for me cuz I'm directionally-challenged.

It would depend on who you're playing against.

Depending on the question asked, by whom, and when, NOT telling a lie can get you voted off.

I can't remember the exact version or situation, but I do remember someone being asked if they plan to vote someone off. Rather than lie they either hedged or didn't answer at all, and because they wouldn't commit one way or the other, they got voted off themselves because they were considered a loose cannon.

I liked this Kris!!

"Of course, if I were in the game, they'd probably spend the entire time looking for me cuz I'm directionally-challenged."

That was HI-Lariousssssss!!! ROFLMAOOOOOOO

My wish is that everyone sees that show last night, and someone asks the "women" if they feel really proud of themselves. Then my hope is for that to happen to them.

first, welcome to the boards, cliff. next, by your logic, whoever "does" it to the women won't be able to be proud of themselves, either. it is a game of "outwit, outplay, outlast" and to do it in such a way that you can still get enough votes in the end to win.

Citywitch---I see your logic. But, how can everyone blather on about what a great strategic game Cirie is playing, and yet she was the one who engineered the Erik blunder? Maybe I take the game WAY too serious, but I think the attitudes shown yesterday merely bring the worst in everyone. I believe the motto for the show should be, "Outsteal, Outdeceive, and Outcon". The show is not what it used to be. The stealing, lying, tawdry love affairs, and "win at all cost" attitude have ruined the show. I am not a prude by any means, but let's get a grip!!!

Parvati's glomming on James earlier disgusted me. She impresses me as the typical black widow. I thought Natalie was going to stomp her feet and throw a tantrum when she did not get chosen for the reward challenge with Erik. A spoiled Brat. Cirie seems to be the one to drop the hammer as long as she profits, despite the cutesy attitude.

Just my opinion.

Welcome, cliff.

I remember being disgusted by the sliminess of Richard Hatch way back in S1 and thinking he had only outconned the others to win, but then I got over it.

Bringing out the worst in everyone, yet still winning the jury's vote is the art of Survivor. I love it.

Hi Cliff and welcome!

I had put in another thread that I too was very dissappointed with the way the girls acted at TC. I thought they were just downright cruel to Erik.

I think given his youthful age, his natural naive-ness, being without real food and water, the sun and the heat, probably sheer exhaustion, and on an island with bikini clad women would get to anyone in those circumstances. I think he had the best of intentions, which is more than I can say for the girls.

Sure, its for 1 million bucks. Everyone is going to lie, cheat, steal, beg, plead, so on and so on. Erik thought he had a chance - that doesnt make him stoopid. Probably not a bright move, thats true. But thats easy for us to say cuz we not in the middle of the game ourselves.

The girls scheme worked. Good for them. But to verbally whip him like they did was really uncalled for.

Just my humble opinion.

I agree with your humble opinions Runnr! I think the guys on the jury were just enjoying someone joining their ranks of "dupees"! The girls, I agree, went a little overboard with their success. But now won't it be fun watching the predicments they're in having to start eating each other? Not so much fun for them anymore.

Men shouldn't be embarassed over Erik's idiocy any more than women should be embarassed earlier this season when Amanda and Parvati skanked their way to the merge.

Not all men are boys...and not all women are skanks.

Actually I wasn't disappointed by anything that went on because it was par for the course. Last night was not the first time Erik showed us what a moron he is and it wasn't the first time the four women exhibited poor sportsmenship.

As far as whether it will haunt them come final TC, the key word in your statement was "ALL". Because all of them acted the same way, it's pretty much a wash and should have no effect on who the Jury ultimately selects.

I agree with the newcomer, cliffy. I have yet to have it explained to me how lying to someone is "outwitting" them. I should lie to my wife and if I get caught, just tell her that I "outwitted" her. Hahaha... I agree that the game has degenerated to the point where lying and deception of all kinds are considered legitimate game plays, and that, in a sense, is unfortunate. And regardless of the fact that Hatch used deception to win, the game has definitely become more accepting of such behavior. Todd doesn't win against Amanda if that was Season 2 instead of Season 15.
It is certainly true that you don't HAVE to lie to win. That is a fact that seems to have become lost somewhere along the way.
However, that all being said, this is a game, and I do feel there is a certain amount of "reasonable" deception involved. Really since Erik was not up front with any of the women, it is hard to vilify them for deceiving him, and in Natalie and Cirie's case, outright lying to him.

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I give the women some credit for picking that such an audacious ploy could work, and for pulling it off.

Erik doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, so tricking him in itself is hardly a glorious achievement, but the manner in which they tricked him was impressive. Very few players would fall for that, but they realised he might, went after it and it worked. Hats off to that.

I think their reactions were somewhat understandable. It was a ridiculous thing to pull off, I'd be laughing too.

Erik doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, so tricking him in itself is hardly a glorious achievement, but the manner in which they tricked him was impressive. Very few players would fall for that, but they realised he might, went after it and it worked. Hats off to that.

welcome, Lucid! I've got to agree that tricking him was hardly a glorious achievement, they GUILTED the poor guy into every move last night, from Amanda getting to go on reward to giving up the necklace. Geeze, how could that poor boy withstand all that basic judeo-christian guilt & redemption ****? remember that older, tougher, more experienced "men" fell before him, and without all that emotional blackmail.

That it didn't last a whole lot longer!

This is what these reality tv shows are all about!

Lying, manipulating, making alliances, breaking alliances...

You had it all in one episode!

The ladies did a great job of spinning the little icecream dude into the ground. The jury loved it, the audience loved it (most of them anyway), even Erik didn't seem too put out.

Good TV... I enjoyed every second of it!

Erik had no business making it as far as he did anyway, so he should enjoy the extra $$$ he made and not worry too much about looking foolish. He would have been gone long before but Ozzy wanted to keep an extra male vote around, especially one who was only there because of Ozzy, and when it came time to remove IC challenge threats, Erik wasn't as threatening as Ozzy or Jason. He was clearly strategically lost weeks ago, but in a whittled down field was able to hang around by winning IC challenges.

I wondered whether people might consider taking him as it was extremely unlikely he could put forward a well considered argument as to why he ought to win.

I suppose the number of fans on the jury might be a reasonable concern.

It's not going to come back to haunt them because one of them will win a million dollars.

No offense, but I'm not getting what the girls have to be ashamed of... The only person who should be ashamed of himself is Eric...

Eric had a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE physical advantage over the rest of the women... And so they did the only thing they felt they could do to try to take him out of the game. The fact that it worked, is Eric's fault...This is a game, you know people are playing you. And if they were laughing, well I was laughing too. And they were probably also laughing because they didn't believe it.

The girls do not need to be ashamed of the move. It was their best move, and a credit to those that correctly recognized Erik's gullibility/stupidity. However, to taunt him after the fact by laughing it up as he walked off was classless. They should have had more respect for him than that. I probably would have done the same move as the girls, but at least I would have felt bad about it. None of the four felt this way.

That being said, Eric was the bigger disappointment. Just cause you're young doesn't mean you have to be stupid. The fact that he actually had some time to think about it and he still did it makes him even more stupid.

Erik wasn't this completely innocent, remember. In his rather dim-witted way, he tried to outwit all of the women by telling all of them lies. In some cases, it was multiple, conflicting lies. Of course, they figured this out, and of course, they did something about it. He had it coming.

Laughing at someone is always a little bit mean, but this case didn't bother me.

I think Erik is a sweet guy. In his interview, he holds no grudges. I think if his personality was different, the whole episode would have looked different to me, and I would have seen the girls behavior as much more mean-spirited. As it was, they just didn't take him seriously and he really didn't take himself very seriously, either. So I don't see the laughing as cruel as it would be at someone who was serious. Compare the situtation to Ozzy's exit; nobody laughed at him and he sure didn't laugh at himself.

Oh, and Erik didn't walk off, he ran away, which in itself is funny.