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"Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by Estee on 05-09-08 at 07:37 AM
Is it possible to do it and not pay for it as everyone turns on a suddenly-vulnerable player? Yes -- but just barely, and at least one of the methods is going to anger every remaining player to the point of turning the next few jurors into seething kettles of rage.

You could conceivably hand over the necklace and stay safe if:

1. You're Burton. Any time you have automatic Immunity and have the token on top of that, you're free to do whatever you want. But that situation's happened once to date, and a second 'you're safe, but you can compete for safety anyway' doesn't seem to be coming.

2. Your alliance is solid beyond all rational belief. If you are absolutely sure that you have the votes -- completely, utterly, no-doubt-possible with a written guarantee that says you get to kill anyone who breaks their word -- then you could conceivably pass the thing around with utter cheer while working out the last remaining bits of Pagong from your teeth. But even if it works, it's a little bit arrogant as far as power displays go: way to tick off the jury, genius.

3. You also have the idol, no one knows you have it, and you have to protect someone else. It doesn't get much nastier than this. You pretend to throw yourself on your sword to protect your ally (or just become an idiot of Erik-like proportions), giving up the necklace to a friend to give them three more days, whatever happens to you, happens -- and then you take out the hand grenade and pull the pin. Sure, you could have just passed the idol over and kept the necklace -- but isn't this way so much more dramatic? Won't everyone remember it forever? Or at least all the way through the jury vote, where whoever you got with this and all their friends will be waiting to eviscerate you?

Are there other tricks where it would work to the player's benefit? And after last night's smackdown, would any future player ever remotely consider using them?

'Guaranteed Final 4'. Yeah, right.

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"RE: Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-09-08 at 11:13 AM
When Jenna gave the immunity to Heidi it didn't ##### too many people off. She went on to win the mil.


Agman took me to the islands

"RE: Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by Estee on 05-09-08 at 11:16 AM
Jenna was also sitting next to Matthew 'Insane In The Brain' Von Ertfelda. Didn't hurt.
"RE: Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-09-08 at 11:25 AM
Which proved to be good strategy on her part. Otherwise Cesternino probably would have won.
"The only advantage would be"
Posted by IceCat on 05-09-08 at 11:23 AM

... to deflect attention away from the ass that you are wearing as a hat.
"RE: The only advantage would be"
Posted by Estee on 05-09-08 at 11:33 AM
I thought there was a chance Erik had buttocks on the brain last night, but I also thought they were Amanda's.
"RE: Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by Snidget on 05-09-08 at 11:39 AM
I kind of like #3.

Especially if you had the F2 version of the final tribal. I think in that situation it could work.

Basically if pulling that stunt was why you and your partner made it to the final two it may be easy to do the "they were riding my coattails" argument and even if you lose a couple of votes for bitter you may pick up enough for being the brains of the operation to take the win.

Most of the other things I can think of require one to rely too much on trust. Although if one was the clear goat everyone was taking to the finals they might not get voted out, and might at least get one jury vote for the person you saved if they get voted out next round. But that is playing more to not lose so badly than a way to win the whole thing.

"RE: Passing the necklace as workable strategy move."
Posted by miracle1969mets on 05-09-08 at 04:23 PM
Only Burton (already immune) and Jenna (Amazon) have done it before. Jenna's was a matter of strategy and circumstance.

1. SHE DECIDED ON HER OWN to give it away. She wasn't manipulated.
2. Rob had told Jenna he wanted to bring her to final 2.
3. Rob had approached her to get rid of Christy.

Jenna took a situation where she believed Rob wanted her in final 2 and wanted to have a backup plan just in case voting Christy was a ploy by Rob to keep the vote away from him. Jenna KNEW where everyone stood and that assuming Rob wouldn't target her, protecting Heidi gave her a better shot at getting to F2.

It ended up being irrelevant, but it was a gamble she deemed worth taking given the situation, and had she gotten voted off, her reasoning is so much better than Erik's.

Erik did not decide on is own anything, he was not (or should not have been) assured anyone wanted to take him to F2 or F3, and there was no angle for anyone to believe a scenario where giving up immunity gave him a better chance to get to face the jury.

P.S. One scenario, still risky, where someone might give up immunity is (should only be one of the 1st few post merge TC's
1) He or she MUST be in a key alliance and KNOW it.
2) the alliance is between 2 different people for the vote, where one of the people can benefit you more than the other.
giving immunity to save that person as a way of getting your way. still risky.

Also a past example (before you could give away immunity) could possibly be Survivor: Africa episode 8, where Kelly got voted out 5-4 instead of Lex. Since Ethan had immunity and didn't totally trust Brandon to vote Kelly, passing immunity to Lex prob ensures Brandon votes out Kelly and screws up the Samburu + Kelly anyway to possibly split the vote (since there's no time to discuss a vote)

Say last episode Parvati had immunity and Amanda didn't have hidden idol (or maybe did anyway) Parvati was not a target, so she could have passed immunity to Amanda to either force Erik or Alexis out.

Just running through a few possibilities, but it's still risky to pass it off.