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Well, his looks changed. He looks way better now. Didn't like his band tho. And he can't sing IMHO.

In my opinion, I think the changes this season were subtle compared to seasons before. I think the couple of guys who's changes would have been far more obvious were booted earlier on.

Both Nate and Scooter had very little to go, as far as I could tell, when it came to changes, but I agree Scooter's seemed to be more. In the beginning Scooter was very quiet and I couldn't imagine him voicing an opinion, especially one that would tick another contestant off.

I agree -- and I thought that ever since his stand-up comedy act. I thought a big part of being a geek was lack of social skills. (i.e. Sanjay with a written list of questions when he was talking to Cece and Megan.) Just because you sing in a Star Wars band doesn't necessarily make you a geek! The show probably did help him with his confidence with women. Living 24-7 with a person of the opposite sex is an eye-opening experience, and one he may not have had before.

You read my mind.

Yes, Scooter was further along than some of the other geeks, but I do think he evolved more than Nate -- again, not to take anything away from Nate.

When they watched videos of themselves arriving and pairing off - that made it clearer to me that Megan AND Scooter were the right winners.

Well, I thought at least three of the nerds were ringers. Nate, Niells, and Scooter all seemed to be overselling their geekiness in the beginning of this series and seemed to have the most dramatic transformations from geeks into these comfortably engaging and reasonably attractive men. I thought a couple of the geeks were gay; Mario in particular. He just seemed too comfortable in his own skin and with who he was; hence, the ease of being around the women but not being particularly interested in them. Drew was the one who most fit the model to a T. A true geek in every sense of the word and my impression of him never wavered from that.

Concerning the women, CiCi might have been horrid but she was a good villainess and compelling. She used the dumb blonde bit as a decoy while being very driven and motivated. Sneaky smart that one.

I think Megan was underestimated and falsely presumed by many to be not very bright. She became more attractive to me when I saw how fast she caught on in the challenges and adapted to the game. Her personality was deceiving. She sat back observed and made all the right moves. I could definitely hang with her.

The two women who were the most beautiful; Andrea, and Sheree, were also the two most unlikeable; i.e., bitchy, bossy, argumentative, and insecure. Instead of trying to make friends with the blondes and trying to win over Nadia, and Erin who were obviously just going along with the crowd and had no strategy; Andrea and Sheree pouted, whined, and demanded that they be treated special.

You're right that Nate had all those good qualities and was obviously brought up well, but I think he did change.
In every good movie or heroic novel, it begins with a protagonist that has all the good virtues but isn't assured of it until they are tested.
Nate probably didn't realize that he could stick to his guns until he was severely tested. He's non-confrontational, yet he stands up to Cece when he saw the dog was being mistreated. He comes to the realization that the world wouldn't be better off if someone like CeCe can step on people and be rewarded the money, even though that cost him $250,000 which is quite a lot for someone of his age. I think he was a real geek. How many people would have 2 year growth on their face....he looked practically Amish. The star wars tribute was also really bad. so, I think Nate's had the biggest challenges out of all of them. "Geek" doesn't just mean uncurably awkward. Scooter just kind of skated by without being really challenged. Sure, he's a little more confident, but did he really stand up to CeCe or did he do antyhing other than go along with everything.

Uhhhhh....I recall both Scooter and Niels standing up to Cece before anyone else attempted it. I recall a few conversations where both Niels and Scooter were telling her how unattractive and ridiculous her personality is and how she should just be the person she was inside.....of course they didn't go about it the same way a Real Worlder would have,but they still took a stand.

I said from the beginning I wouldn't consider Nate a "geek". He just needed to stop wearing the garden clogs.

The right couple won.

I happened by a repeat of the stand-up comedy episode yesterday - and noticed that Nate was wearing red Crocs. I missed that the first time around! LOL! He also had on a tie with a tee shirt and short-sleeved shirt. I think he just needed a make-over.

Just goes to show. What's geeky one year may be all the rage the next. I think style has zip to do with geekiness.
Those Crocs are really catching on.