I couldn't have written better Jon dialogue on Bashers if I'd tried.

Another comment he made in the web chat struck me as odd...

FairplayRules: If you got to choose your own tribe from past SURVIVORS, who would your tribe consist of?
Jon: Jerry , Nicole, Michelle, Darrah, Elisabeth and Boston Rob.

I understand the pretty girls but where does Boston Rob come from?

My thoughts are he met Boston Rob on ASS and they made an alliance.

Everything Jon says needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Of course he'd pick Boston Rob to be on his team. He needs another guy...a wiley guy, to feel superior to the women with.

Boston Rob pulled the same kind of dirty underhanded lie based stuff that Jon did (only Rob did it waaaay better).

Jon is talking out his butt people. The more we talk about it the more he laughs.

--put forth a possibile scenario where Jon MIGHT be on ASS but doesn't really believe it

If Jon's not on ASS then maybe M.B. got Jon's grandmother instead?
Valley Girl
"I'll never kiss and tell....."

Jon WAS spotted at a hockey game the night the BL episode aired. I belive it was in Cambridge, MA, but could be wrong.

LAST EDITED ON 12-17-03 AT 10:10 AM (EST)

As always I have no problem with having egg on my face if I am wrong............

Rupert's comment at reunion: As some said, if we didn't know he was on ASS, I doubt his comment would make our hairs stand up. I watched it again after reading from various posters that there was an awkward pause, nervous look, edits or what have you... I didn't see it, I'm sorry. He made a cute comment and Jeff and everyone else laughed at it; that is all I saw.

Jon's comment at reunion: Oh there was lots of awkwardness on his comment but in all honesty, I saw it as more of the audacity of Jon in saying that as opposed to "whoopsie I slipped" Coming off being villafied with the grandmother deal and then to have the cajones to suggest doing it again, the looks he got and the pause type thing seemed to come from what he said.

Now as far as his cryptic comments regarding ASS.......... Personally I'll believe it when I see it. On my presumption he isn't an ASS (though he is an ass) it is just so obvious to me he is doing his "put me in spotlight" deal and PURPOSELY saying these things to keep him at the top of the watercooler talk. If interviewer "A" said Are you on ASS and he said No I'm not well that's done then. By talking the way he is, he is keeping himself in the news and probably being called even MORE because of it.

Now obviously I could be dead wrong. I would think if he were on ASS, he'd actually NOT act like he was though (even though that is probably extremely hard for such an egomaniac)

That is just my current 2 cents for now

ETA to fix a spelling boo boo

And, while I don't think that Rupert was referring to ASS when he made his Richard Hatch comment, I do think that he wouldn't have used those exact words if he hadn't beaten Rich somehow, even if it's just one single head-to-head challenge. If Rupert were the first one voted off ASS after getting trounced by Hatch's team in the first IC, for example, I think he'd have said, "I always THOUGHT I could beat him." Small difference, I know.

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UDG

The thing is with Ruperts comment is that he didn't say he beat Richard Hatch. He said "I've wanted to be on Survivor ever since the first time I saw it and I just knew I could beat Richard Hatch."

He's saying...I saw the show and said (as I'm sure many here have as we play the game from our couches) I could be Richard Hatch!

I honestly don't think we can get how well either Rupert of Richard did from this statement. I know we're anxious to glean something while we wait for the start of ASS, but please, let's not fall into the trap of making something from nothing.

Jon's comments? He's just trying to lengthen his 15 minutes. The more obnoxious, crude, disrespectful, distateful and chauvanistic he is, the more people will talk about him. He only wishes he were on ASS and is pissed as hell that Rupert made it and he didn't.

>He only wishes he were on ASS and is pissed as
>hell that Rupert made it and he didn't.
>
>

lol. You hit it right on the head. Absolutely right!

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LAST EDITED ON 12-24-03 AT 01:29 AM (EST)

While I agree with you that Rupert's comments are grounded in the spirit of "I can do that"....

I think that the hesitancy that followed was telling (though not necessarily in such an obvious way as many have stated). What this means was:

Jeff detected a potential breach of silence (possible interpretation: thus Rupert and Richard are on ASS, Jeff searched his memory for any instances where Rupert and Richard either come into some head-to-head competitition, or one comes away from the game with a definitive "I bested the other" impression).

Jeff then, in that moment of hesitancy, evaluated the actual risk, and proceeded as he felt necessary. I can't remember what happened next and I don't have it taped etc. It might be interesting to analyse what Jeff then did after this comment. It might point to hints to how well Rupert did. Did Jeff just totally leave a potentially dangerous topic, or did he continue to converse with Rupert, as he didn't think he was playing with fire.

Cyanide4U

LAST EDITED ON 12-17-03 AT 05:18 PM (EST)

If MB set this whole thing up... as in he told A-Play to make some "slip" about being in ASS. I'm sure MB is not too happy that the entire ASS cast list was leaked... this could be his way of trying not to make it seem so predictable, to cast doubt on the spoilers and get people talking- which it has done

DMNW DMNW DMNW DMNW!!!SWM!

LAST EDITED ON 12-18-03 AT 04:43 PM (EST)

The show was live so there were no room for edits as someone pointed out above. What was said was said and I think alot it was read into very heavily by some fans or was taken out of context. I think the audience was shocked because of Jons comment either because they knew there really was a parental death on ASS and Jon was so callous to joke about it or the simpler explanation is that they were shocked for him to make a joke of it again.
For my 2 cents, Rupert was definitely on ASS I think Jon was not. ( I really hope not anyway)

LAST EDITED ON 12-18-03 AT 04:51 PM (EST)

SURVIVOR Host: You all have a lot of great questions for Jon, so let's get begin! If you're just joining us, we're chatting live with Survivor Jon Dalton. We'll get to as many of your questions as we can. Let's get started! What's up, Jon? Are you ready to take some questions?
Jon: Absolutely! America's favorite Survivor is here!

mykona: Good job! How do you like the title "Most Infamous Survivor"?
Jon: I dig it. It's mostly just the fat and ugly people that don't like me though, those that sympathize with Rupert. But the beautiful people love me, and I love them.

Johnny: Jon, how did you prepare for SURVIVOR?
Jon: I purchased every season and every Early Show interview off eBay, watched every season twice and watched AMAZON three times. I also spent my last two weeks before leaving for Panama in Catalina becoming skin diver and scuba diver certified.

MaryS: Jon, how much did you win coming in third place?
Jon: Two lottery tickets and a Chick Filet coupon.

MRIguy: You really toned down your question to Lill and Sandra. What did you really want to ask them?
Jon: There was a lot more to the question than was shown.

SuzyQ: Jon, you're an a self-professed a-hole who played the game well. What do you think about all this negativity towards you?
Jon: I love it. I'm lady friendly.

mykona: Jon, has your date factor risen/fallen since SURVIVOR?
Jon: I've had over a hundred ménages à trois since SURVIVOR.

Freedom: Where does your attitude towards women come from? And don't you think the whole men-are-better-than-women thing is getting tired?
Jon: Is that Rupert's mom asking questions again?

MEICHY: Jon, who was your letter from?
Jon: Thunder D, my friend that came and visited me.

LippyMom2: Is that 70s hairdo making a comeback, dude?
Jon: It's my tribute to John Holmes.

jedi: Jon, how many times did you guys really make Lill cry?
Jon: I can't count that high.

Darwin: Jon, if you won the million dollars, what would you buy your grandmother?
Jon: A prostitute.

Kapil: What do you think of Osten after he left the game?
Jon: I thought he was a cool guy.

carin: Who did you dislike most of all the contestants?
Jon: Lill and Rupert. Lill messed up my money, and Rupert stole my air time.

sandrafav: What did your friend write in the letter, Jon?
Jon: Wrestling results and also mentioned my grandmother's cancer had moved into stage 5.

polj: Jon, do you think the dumbest move you and Burton made was to go off together to old Panama City?
Jon: Absolutely not. It was worth one million to me and Burton to get away from the other three.

Darwin: Jon, will you ever pose for Playgirl if they offered you?
Jon: Eighty percent of all Playgirls are purchased by men, so no way.

Freedom: Are you in love with Burton?
Jon: No, but we are going to the Playboy mansion for New Year's Eve together. Thanks for asking!

enna: Do you think Sandra was at all deserving of this win, and why?
Jon: Absolutely not. The men's SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLAND champion (me) should be just a flat-out SURVIVOR champion and the greatest player that played the game. Richard Hatch can't hold my jock, but I'm sure he'd like to try.

Minibunky: Do you think Sandra played a good game?
Jon: No, hiding in the bushes isn't bragging material.

enna: In hindsight, do you think Sandra was smarter than you credited her for?
Jon: Absolutely not.

rink: You said Christa throwing out the fish was idiotic and childish. What about lying about Grandma?
Jon: It's called strategy, you moron.

AZ_girlie: Jon, the "grandma lie" was brilliant, although evil and deceptive. How did you think of it?
Jon: After watching SURVIVOR: THE AMAZON and seeing the pity Jenna got for her mom's cancer (which was true), I figure, what's more sympathetic than a mom? I'll go with grandma.

njmommy: You didn't win any Challenges on your own, and you never got Immunity. Did you really play hard?
Jon: I enjoyed more rewards than any Survivor in the history of the show. I must have played hard enough to have enjoyed them.

mykona: How the hell are you? Will we be seeing more of your antics now that SURVIVOR is finished?
Jon: Absolutely! I have TV, film and wrestling projects in the future.

scooty: Would Rowdy Roddy Piper have lasted longer than you?
Jon: Not on that fake hip.

allstarpunk: What did you think of Darrah's talks on boob jobs and chocolate chip cookies?
Jon: I love 'em both! I had the same conversation with Jeff Probst's mom.

allstarpunk: Jonny, were you ever a Boy Scout?
Jon: Yes, I was!

shakateri: Did you think Lill could stay on the box longer than you and Sandra in the last Challenge?
Jon: I thought it was going to be a super easy Challenge. Lill has an aerobics background, and that was the difference in the game. I took the two weakest people to the end knowing I could beat them.

justwhatever: How would you define "riding the coattails of others," and don't you think you were guilty of it as well?
Jon: I made every move that decided every person being eliminated from the game from day one to day thirty-eight. I think that's a huge difference in coattail-riding and game-playing.

Tedd: Was Michelle as hot in person as she looked on screen?
Jon: More so.

enna: What do you think one of your biggest mistakes in the game was?
Jon: I never made a mistake.

Crimson: Burton mentioned that you and Sandra have "lowered" the bar on the depths Survivors will go to win. You played evil, sarcastic, backstabbing and annoying. Sandra played sneaky, a bit reserved, a bit open, backstabbing. She won; you didn't. How can you say she has no right to be there? Yet you do.
Jon: She's there because I dragged her there: that's the difference.

starry: Did your opnions of anyone change once you watched the show on TV?
Jon: I feel bad about yelling at Christa for the fish...but not too bad.

snhty: If Burton and you had made it to the Final Two, who do you think would have won?
Jon: Burton: more people liked him than me.

plus35: How bad was the odor of all of you after 39 days?
Jon: After Rupert was gone, not too bad...you're welcome, America.

JUNKISBACK: Jon, would you consider yourself an honest man or a bad man?
Jon: A great man. Ask your wife.

adios_amoeba: Jon, you have a lot to live down now. How do you think it will affect your future?
Jon: More sex. Thanks in advance.

yogi: Are you a genuine idiot with no respect to women, or was your boorish attitude feigned?
Jon: I love women; ask my maid.

adios_amoeba: Jon...Is there anything you wouldn't lie about?
Jon: My thirteen inches.

gogogadget: You said people come up to you and say they want to kill you? Taking any karate classes? Hired any bodyguards?
Jon: I have a couple bodyguards.

niki: Who (besides yourself) is the best player who ever played SURVIVOR?
Jon: I liked Rob C. from AMAZON.

love_SURVIVOR: Do you think you set a low standard for future SURVIVORS?
Jon: I'll never be topped.

cocoa: Jon, great game. Is there anything you would have changed to get yourself into the Final Two?
Jon: No, I played the game exactly how I wanted to.

seawater: What was your best and worst day (not counting the day you were evicted) on SURVIVOR, and why?
Jon: Best day was when me and Burton got to go off on the last Reward Challenge, just getting away from everyone. My worst day was when Burton got voted off. But voting Rupert off was a close second for favorite day.

shell: What would your luxury item have been had you been allowed one?
Jon: Mullet wig. I had one in my bag.

CSyrup: Hey Jon! Do you really think you were the toughest man out there?
Jon: Have you seen my pecs?

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ONLY POSSIBLE SPOILER INFO IN THIS CHAT:

Survivor84: Hey Jon, I wanted to know if you are continuing your friendship with any of the survivors besides Burton?
Jon: I'm friends with just about everyone but Rupert, Lil, Sandra and Skinny Ryan.

ADDED COMMENTS BY Missing Rupert: I would think that if Jon were on ASS he would almost have to mend fences with Rupert, unless either was voted off very early.
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rink: Jon, has anybody ever told you how stupid you look with your arms crossed with the peace signs?
Jon: Yeah, your boyfriend, when he leaves at night.

bomber: Hey Jon, did you ever get sick from eating any of the rich foods during the Reward ceremonies you were at?
Jon: I threw up every time!

allstarpunk: If you were in the Amazing Race and had to pick one of the Survivors from any of the seasons, who would be your partner?
Jon: Burton: I'd take a bullet for that guy.

Darwin: Give me one word that best describes Burton.
Jon: Burton Reynolds.

brownbabee: Why did you hate Rupert so much after all he did for the team?
Jon: He did nothing for the team.

Sandra_Rules: Jon, would you do another SURVIVOR?
Jon: We'll see.

gogogadget: Jon, we have an idea of how Jeff feels about you. But how do you feel about Jeff?
Jon: I think he looks much taller on TV.

Arby: Jon, have you considered therapy for these delusions of grandeur?
Jon: I'm still trying to get over my humility.

vtman: When you acknowleged that Rupert was a great man, were you just sucking up?
Jon: Absolutely!

Bleen: Jon, I think the dead grandmother lie was brilliant. Did you have a backup plan in case anyone called you on it?
Jon: No, I knew no one would find out.

spoon: Do your hitting on Darrah during the smoothie game backfire in any way?
Jon: No.

babie_d: Did you get in trouble for going to Tribal Council drunk?
Jon: I was spoken to afterwards, and what they didn't show on the show was that I actually fell out of my stool.

Jonathon: Jon, what would you have done if Burton had not come back in the game?
Jon: Beat Rupert to Loser Island.

lionlarch: Did you notice any changes in Jeff when he found out about your grandmother lie? He seemed to treat you differently at Tribal Council.
Jon: I think Jeff gained a lot of respect for me seeing how much more strategic I was.

kylekewl: Was there any hanky panky in the game?
Jon: Yes.

stallcupette: Jon, did you actually think the show wouldn't call about your grandmother?
Jon: I didn't think they would.

jonisabadman: How gross was it to see Lill in her underwear so many times?
Jon: The white whale? Yuck, yuck, yuck.

Gretchen: Jon, what female player was your favorite, and why?
Jon: Friendwise: Trish. Bodywise: Nicole.

Jon_is_a_jerk: Is it true you asked Burton to live with you?
Jon: We're both living in LA in February.

shakateri: How does it make you feel that Lill was willing to give up 900,000 dollars just so you didn't get it?
Jon: Awesome. Dumb move, dumb woman.

hhhhh: Was there any aspect of SURVIVOR that made you want to play the game other than the money?
Jon: Free SURVIVOR mouse pad.

Lee1: Jon, any chance you were more interested in the camera and TV audience than the game itself?
Jon: Very easily a chance. Infamy rules!

FairplayRules: If you got to choose your own tribe from past SURVIVORS, who would your tribe consist of?
Jon: Jerry , Nicole, Michelle, Darrah, Elisabeth and Boston Rob.

jenni: If you could pick the next location of SURVIVOR, where would it be?
Jon: Vegas.

CyberChick: Jon, what were your thoughts on Robb and Rob from previous SURVIVORs? Would you say they were annoying too?
Jon: My two favorite previous players in the game.

mikell99: Were you picked on a lot in school?
Jon: Never.

stingray: Was Lill as dumb as Colby from a previous show?
Jon: Possibly more dumb, but Colby's an idiot.

yuck: What other Survivors came close to being as hateable as you?
Jon: No one...not possible.

she_fangs: If each Survivor could bring an animal, what would you bring?
Jon: Ethan.

johnnyboy: Did living in Danville suck more than living on that island?
Jon: It's a tie.

Gretchen: Jon, did you ever wish you had started on the other tribe?
Jon: No way!

kissitJon: Do you ever find it hard to live life as such a smart, attractive man?
Jon: It's tough, and thanks for askin' the question, gramma.

Tribehaspoken: Do you need to be hated in order to get attention?
Jon: Sure.

SURVIVOR Host: I am sorry to say that our hour with Jon is up. Jon, thanks so much for being here to chat with us today. Do you have any final comments for the SURVIVOR fans?
Jon: It's been your pleasure.
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I am sure most of you have checked out this chat. I thought I would post it in this thread to analize it. My thoughts are that Jon is NOT in ASS. And he is just milking his 15 minutes and trying to get more attention. This chat is one of the strangest things I have read. He is really looking for attention here.

My advice to all is stop giving Jon any more time after this thread. We are feeding into his ego that simply wants attention (good or bad).

LAST EDITED ON 12-24-03 AT 11:16 AM (EST)

>My advice to all is stop
>giving Jon any more time
>after this thread. We
>are feeding into his ego
>that simply wants attention (good
>or bad).

I'm in total agreement. Jon was faintly amusing and usually irritating during s7. He's getting a self-proclaimed $7,500 per appearance. I think his story is done. If he did make ASS, he wouldn't go far. I think the others would eat him alive.

Edited b/c evidently I can't type.

Jon is too attention-desperate. He even claimed that he and Nicole did it and after some days, they got them phone patched and Jon apologized.

hahahaha.....they put him in a conference call with Nicole and he had to apologize b/c he told? or b/c he lied about it?

I hated Jon. I hope he fades away like many of the other non-winning Survivor contestants. He reminds me of the kids in school who never got enough attention at home, so they was rude and crude at school to get as much attention (even negative attention was better than NO attention) as possible. He keeps saying he was the "Male Survivor Winner" like he just can't accept losing to a woman. I hate him. I hate him. I hate him.

That's too bad. I think Jon is equally responsible (with Rupert) for making S7 what it was -- one of the most entertaining Survivor shows yet! He was the one we all LOVED to HATE! And he was half the reason I enjoyed the show so much. Lighten up on Jon -- he never pretended to be anything he wasn't!

Scarlett

I agreed with you until I read the CBS web chat. I think he has slipped into the "desperately seeking attention" mode and has taken his show/charater to a new low level. I actually gained a little respect for Jon later in the show, but now, he just sucks and I hope he disappears.

I agree, I feel the same way about Jon, his character certainly beats a dull one, no doubt about it!

of Dennis Finch from "Just Shoot Me."

Though they played a role of A-holes, they entertained us in the shows.

But, finally, they are both cliche after the show.

BUMPING so that this won't sink to the bottom when moved to the normal Survivor Spoilers forum

take this for what it's worth (probably nothing but...)

I was talking to someone last night who is supposedly a friend, of a friend, of a friend of Jon and he heard that Jon shows up on ASS as a substitute for another contestant that "has to leave the show or is asked to leave the show" (his words). He didn't know anything at all about Jenna M. and was suprised to hear that she supposedly leaves the show due to her mom's death. He didn't actually know all that much about Survivor- so like I said- take it how you want- probably means nothing.

and then there was... IceCat!

Jon needs to check his watch... his 15 minutes are up.

-ICB

I totally think the reputable spoilers would have gotten wind of this. Who knows but I'm not gonna believe it till SNN says so

Also, I believe there were reports that Jon was espied in the USA during the filming period; not sure exactly when but I seem to think it was later rather than earlier.

In any case, Jon strikes me as the sort who would go around telling his "friends" this whether it were true or not. He's lied before, you know...