- I wanted to point out that Ashley's comment about Joe wasn't dumb.

- In a FFF threesome, I feel unnecessary but in a FFM threesome, I could be subbing in!

- Another Fans vs Favorites abomination must already be on their mind.

- As long as you're not sad to see Ms Smarty Pants leaving the game. She was one of those boring CGI characters.

- Ah! yes...Fiji. I'm sure we won't be seeing anyone doing the meke this time. There were many more laughs in the original Fiji.

- I don't think fainting is a symptom of Tourista.

- It's not the amount of fat that bothers me most about Lauren, it's the fact that she is extremely boring. Can you imagine the laughs we would have had observing the dopey redhead trying to navigate the swap?

- I think Jessica is much better with the math than you give her credit. At least watching her figuring the game is fun to watch.

- I do not make up conspiracies; I point out inconsistancies, improbabilities and influences and ask questions about Survivor's integrity.

- I have nothing against (or for) fat women. I have an aversion to boring characters.

I hope this clears things up. How about giving your rankings in the other thread?

LAST EDITED ON 10-29-17 AT 02:47 PM (EST)

- I stand by my comment that Ashley thinking Joe is smart is really dumb.

- But of course.

- Unfortunately so.

- OK.

- How many Fijis have there been?

- Squeezing your buttcheeks until you faint is a definite symptom.

- You can't deny that you did make a big thing about her blubberyness.

- Jess trusting Cole to keep a secret once is a learning experience, trusting him twice is bad math.

- As a reactor to your posts, I think making up conspiracies is your main jam.

- Was awaiting he who's name cannot be said (mainly because he is always going on and on about it - enough already!) so as to skewer you both with one riposte (you Quebecers know French, right?)

- How many Fijis have there been?

This is the 4th, 3rd in a row. There are many places that haven't been done and others that would be fun to see for a second time.

- Squeezing your buttcheeks until you faint is a definite symptom.

Lol! Can't argue with that!

- "You can't deny that you did make a big thing about her blubberyness.

Because there's not much else to say about the "big thing".

- "Jess trusting Cole to keep a secret once is a learning experience, trusting him twice is bad math"

She only trusted him with one secret. The other was Cole's to do with whatever he wanted.

- As a reactor to your posts, I think making up conspiracies is your main jam"

I love jam! I wouldn't be so suspicious if they weren't so secretive.

- Was awaiting...to skewer you both with one riposte (you Quebecers know French, right?)"

I am French. You often have a "bon mot" for the discussion but I usually have the right "parade".

limiting comments to two,

1. You initially criticized Lauren's fat body, claiming that she, who spent her life as a fisherperson, was fat, ignoring her impressive biceps. You focused on her roll, ignoring a core that had to be impressive to do what she had done. I've been shrimping and crabbing (helping a friend, not full time) and it takes both strength and endurance to do it for a living.

Then you retreat to say that you only bash her because her commenting on her fatness is all there is to say about her. Ok, it's Bashers, but you could keep your story straight.

Now you say that she's boring when she actually has had one of the more persuasive TC speeches we've heard in a while. Putting aside whether or not she actually persuaded anyone (agree to disagree), it was a decent non-boring speech.

Now you say that there isn't much to say about her but her bigness. In reality, you have actually said a lot about someone about whom there isn't much to say about.

She doesn't have social skills. She is an outsider, and not one of the pretty people. So unless she unearths heretofore undiscovered skills and soon, she'll be booted.

2. Indeed, that was Cole's secret, but he told her that in confidence, and she expected him to keep it between them. If you missed the confessional where she said as much and expressed her disappointment with him, it's available on the Survivor site. That should have proven to her both how he was willing to use a secret with no regard to how it affected her game, and how loose he would be with a secret she would tell him.

Thanks for the bon mot remark. And you may have the right "parade" since it's a totally subjective judgement.

And where the hell is Aruba? it really is more fun to put "Z"s on both your chests with my epee (That's french for long pointy knife).

It is Bashers and you keep defending the "Big Thing" so I keep bashing! Also, there is a contradiction in writing first: "one of the more persuasive TC speeches" and then: "Putting aside whether or not she actually persuaded anyone". For me, she didn't persuade anyone so what's left? A lot of hot air.

No, I caught Jessica's confessional but I don't blame her for trying to solidify an alliance. It's just that Cole is dumber than one can imagine.

Aruba had to go out of town this week but he promised he'll be back.

And, in French, the long pointy knife is spelled épée.
(I'm not blaming you; the "accent aigu" is hard to find on an English keyboard!)

LAST EDITED ON 10-30-17 AT 12:49 PM (EST)

Bashing is fun. As is bashing the basher. And, to be fair, as is bashing the basher of the basher. I think Aruba also needs a bashing in for his absence. I got dibs on his Harley.

And one can have a persuasive TC speech without the knowledge of whether or not it actually persuaded anyone. Nothing contradictory about that, it's just recognizing the potential effect of the speech even if one doesn't have proof positive of the effect.

Potential energy is unrealized energy, but it's still a quantifiable form of energy. The cat is both alive and dead until the box is opened, as is soon to be the handler who supplied the radioactive material.

In this case, we disagree as to who is persuaded (I think it's possible that some were because we were not privy to off camera interactions or the thoughts of the survivors, and you do not, even though (repeating) we were not privy to off camera interactions or the thoughts of the survivors, and even though that should give you some pause for thought, you are adamant that you know what those thoughts were) and judge the speech on how potentially persuasive it was. You've gone beyond Occam's razor reasoning of likelihood to full on denial of possibility.

How's that for a bash of a basher?

Thanks for the correction, I actually looked for the correct form for a cut and paste, but did not locate one in my brief search. I gave up too easily. So thanks. Touché.

So, like, he doesn't have a portable device? Is he hunting seals on the Canadian ice shelf? I think it's potentially possible he's just using an "out of town" trip as an excuse to avoid a good rogering. Well, we don't really need Aruba. We can have fun and bash him in his absence.

LAST EDITED ON 10-30-17 AT 08:42 PM (EST)

Ok, suppose the "Big Thing" convinced them to save her at the last minute, we're still left with the fact that all she had to do was convince them to boot PAT!. She would never have been able to turn the vote against Devon or Ali and not even Ryan. Pat's ineptness did all the convincing needed.

And we aren't talking about what the "Big Thing"'s knowledge of the quality of her speech but how WE feel about it. I do not believe she changed a single vote so, for me, she didn't have a persuasive speech.

I think Aruba is still living in the nineties and doesn't have anything besides home internet!

LAST EDITED ON 11-01-17 AT 11:56 AM (EST)

I thought it was one of the best arguments we've ever heard at a TC, with the qualification that admittedly (so don't go reciting history - I yield) I don't actually remember most of the past TC speeches. In any case it was an articulate and on point, thus persuasive. And again, without opening the box (i.e. knowing actual facts), the cat is both alive and dead.

We have a lot of ammo to use against Aruba when he returns from the northern provinces, or whatever deep dark jungle he left us for. Iowa? Brooklyn?

Got back late Monday. Was actually near Kingfish’s neck of the woods—Jacksonville, FL. Hope to squeeze in last week’s episode before 8:00 tonight; if not, no biggie. So, unfortunately am unable to contribute my Ep. 5 insights/bashing based on actual viewing. Seems like both of you were well involved without me.

Briefly skimmed over the posts and it appears no “foul-crying” from Michel this week. Either the Aruba Commission has been making some headway, or a byproduct of being happy/satisfied with last week’s results. We’ll confirm one or the other later this week.

And for the record...Aruba does NOT own any technological toys. My home PC desktop is my only window into the internet world. Believe it or not, I’m probably the last remaining “Dinosaur” who does not even own a cell phone. Yep, just let me live off the fat of the land, and I’m happier than a pig in mud.

Catch both of you later this week after tonight’s episode!

Relocated, in Louisiana now.

Closer to your neck than mine...or Michel's