Also,
>there doesn't seem to be
>any real discussion of values
>or context as to when
>and where to have sex.>

Actually, I don't find this to be true. Appropriate sexual behavior is something that has been discussed and worked on with many of the women over the years, especially the ones who have had some sort of sexual abuse or issues of promiscuity.

>Is it now a prerequisite
>that to come into the
>SO house that you have
>to be sexually indescrete, chain
>smoke, be some sort of
>an addict, and have a
>terminated pregnancy in your past?
>With Niambi's admission this week,
>makes one wonder if there's
>a not-so-hidden agenda coming to
>the surface this season..

Hidden agenda??? Maybe I'm missing something but it hardly seems that SO is trying to glamorize these issues if that's what you mean. Did it ever occur to you that women who've had these problems are the ones most in need of "starting over"? The show wouldn't be very interesting or serve much of a purpose if they chose people with no problems.

Her "inner-ho" needs to get some jeans that cover her a$$ because this is the second time the camera people have exploited her rear end...either cover her behind or stop focausing on it as it's not a "pretty sight"...thongs for viewing don't help her image at all. I really don't get why she's there...and what's with the no earrings-look??? She's not looking too good this time around and I agree...we didn't forget her first round of SO.

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Cleverone,

Hahaha...you saw Sommer's "exploited rear end" too?!? Pretty harsh, huh? I haven't seen anyone else mention it, so I thought it was a "treat" most viewers missed.

I only saw it once though (on the couch when she was talking to Rhonda). My condolences, LOL!

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Wasn't she the HG that was involved with a racial issue over dating a Black Man last season? When she was speaking with Cassie and letting her know who the instructor was, she became "ghetto" which is very insulting. Her dialect was totally different when she described her instructor to Cassie.

That girl definitely has danced before. She is full of @@it!

phlinky writes:
>Wasn't she the HG that was
>involved with a racial issue
>over dating a Black Man
>last season?

Yes, indeedy.

>When she was speaking with
>Cassie and letting her know
>who the instructor was, she
>became "ghetto" which is very
>insulting.

What I see as her true self did bloom.

>Her dialect was totally different
>when she described her instructor
>to Cassie.

I'll have to rewatch. I know something peculiar wasahappenin...

>That girl definitely has danced before.
>She is full of @@it!

Agree 100,000,000%. :::maybe more:::
Incognito

Ha - I noticed her 'coin-slot' too, several times when she sits with those stupid low rise jeans that show her butt. EWE. This is day-time TV folks, let's stick to the soft porn of the soaps and not show Sommers Arse, thank you.

>I only saw it once though
>(on the couch when she
>was talking to Rhonda).
>My condolences, LOL!
>
>
>
I saw that on the couch too, and could only think, "YUCK!" At least she doesn't have a butt-crack tattoo.

Brain bleach, anyone?

On the other hand- I actually thought she has some good moves. Too bad they all had to be so trashy. She has good rhythm and uses her body well. Dancing wouold be great exercise for her.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.
Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34

Cleverone wrote: <<Her "inner-ho" needs to get some jeans that cover her a$$ because this is the second time the camera people have exploited her rear end...either cover her behind or stop focausing on it as it's not a "pretty sight"...>>
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AMEN 100% to that! I can definitely do without the shots of Sommer's misshapen #####.

That, like the whole program, has become quite vulgar. We all know LaLa pulled out months ago. So has BM. Seems Blonde Rhonda wants this trainwreck on the air another season. So do I... If it goes to cable ---> unless *we decide to pop bucks because of the football situation, I won't be seeing it. I'll meet the (local) survivors at the HB Pier. We can tawlk about it.
"Incognito"

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I LOVE your new sig pic. You ROCK! You are the Queen of PhotoShop.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.
Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34

>Why are they encouraging the already
>over-developed slutty side of Sommer?
> Last season, this way
>one of her problems they
>were trying to fix!
>She flirts a lot.
>She has crushes a lot.
> She has casual sex
>a lot. This is
>what they kept telling us.
> Did the producers think
>we forgot?
>
>Is Sommer going to get a
>crush on hip hop gyration
>instructor like she did on
>Marcus? Why does they
>work on her having an
>in depth conversation. Haven't
>seen that yet.

What makes a whore?

Sommer was dancing as she was instructed to dance by the guy?

Or both Cassie (at age 23-her words) and Jodie (age 30 her words cause she said this is why she stopped dating) getting pregnant and NOT knowing who the father is?

Niambi for continuing a two year affair?

Christie who always sleeps with a guy on the first date?

Seems Antonia and Sommer are the only two that can lay claim to not being a whore.

If having a crush on a guy makes one a whore then I guess I am a whore cause I've had many crushes during my 53 years of living.

This is strictly my opinion, but for Sommer to proclaim that she just cannot dance with a guy (insert fluttering eyelashes), she quickly shed any inhibitions with the hip hop instructor. She got rather down and dirty, without much encouragement. The instructor even commented about Sommer's dancing ability. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but she acted like a dancing ho, even showed us her rear end and type of underwear!!

>
>Seems Antonia and Sommer are the
>only two that can lay
>claim to not being a
>whore.
>

Well, I don't know about Antonia, but may i remind you that last season it was revealed that Sommer had an affair with a married man which I believe broke up his marriage. This caused a major flap with some of the other housemates whose fathers had been in a similar situations.

Also, Sommer was asked to leave the house last year because of her continuous flirting with the production crew and camera men after being warned to stop it time and again.

That's what makes a whore.

I find it interesting that she claims to have issues of not wanting to date outside her race but this is the second time where it was very clear she was enjoying being with a man that was not white. She was more than thrilled to be bumping and grinding with him.

I agree with the other posters. She has danced before and she really has no problem with it other than using it as an attention seeking camera time on the show.

>I find it interesting that she
>claims to have issues of
>not wanting to date outside
>her race but this is
>the second time where it
>was very clear she was
>enjoying being with a man
>that was not white.
>She was more than thrilled
>to be bumping and grinding
>with him.
>
>I agree with the other posters.
> She has danced
>before and she really has
>no problem with it other
>than using it as an
>attention seeking camera time on
>the show.

I am not a dancer either but if it was an assignment, whereas if I didn't do it it was an automatice boot out of the house, you can bet I would do whatever dance to stay.

There is a major difference in enjoying doing an assignment (and doing it with a positive attitude otherwise one gets kicked out) with some one and dating them. I;ve done group things with Italian guys but would never ever date one.

I don't see her having a crush on the dance instructor but rather her doing the assignment in a way so that Rhonda won't kick her out. Rhonda has made it clear she is not to socialize with the crew, not to whine about ehr assignments...and foremost: to be open to anything.

Sommer has me totally confused after yesterdays show

her inner ho..or her inner party girl..or the loose as a goose girl..or that slutty one with snapping thongs..butt shots..and tattos..

she wants to have more self respect for herself..
yet she does "dry grinding in a hippity hoppity dance class"

one moment she trys to play the timid young pure thing..the next moment shes dancing like a amazon woman in hunt of her next
sperm doner..

the entire dance lesson was insulting..

why could she have stepped OUTSIDE the box and said IM sorry
I must stand up for my inner self and NOT take this dance lesson..

she should have turned and walked out and said to LC
that was insulting and disgusting..

but then.. if all she cares about is her 15 mins of fame
go for it..

that show yesterday INSULTED all women of all ages..
and if Sommer can not understand it..then she might as
well go snooping into office files again..

LOOSER...total LOOSER...

Is THAT (snooping into SO office files) the real reason she got kicked out???

>
>There is a major difference in
>enjoying doing an assignment (and
>doing it with a positive
>attitude otherwise one gets kicked
>out) with some one and
>dating them. I;ve
>done group things with Italian
>guys but would never ever
>date one.
>

WAIT a minute! Okay, I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but what makes you better than Italian guys? Just curious as to why of all ethnicities this would be the one you choose to discriminate against?

>
>>
>>There is a major difference in
>>enjoying doing an assignment (and
>>doing it with a positive
>>attitude otherwise one gets kicked
>>out) with some one and
>>dating them. I;ve
>>done group things with Italian
>>guys but would never ever
>>date one.
>>
>
>WAIT a minute! Okay, I
>know I'm opening a can
>of worms here, but what
>makes you better than Italian
>guys? Just curious as
>to why of all ethnicities
>this would be the one
>you choose to discriminate against?
>

It is none of your business why I like or dislike a certain type/group/class etc of guys.

>I find it interesting that she
>claims to have issues of
>not wanting to date outside
>her race but this is
>the second time where it
>was very clear she was
>enjoying being with a man
>that was not white.
>She was more than thrilled
>to be bumping and grinding
>with him.
>

Yes, apparently she has no problem getting turned on by black men, but in her opinion they're not worthy of "dating" or a relationship. This is even more racist than if she was simply not attracted to black men at all.

I agree...why couldn't they have sent her to a ballroom class. That dancing is intimate. I'm not a prude, but I really can't stand the current dance trends. The woman bends over and the guy dances behind her and looks like he's doing "you know what". It's sooo demeaning to women.

I think Sommer's inner ho is due to her weight. I had a friend in school who was obese and she made every interaction with a guy almost like an invitation for sex with her. They would ask her to copy her notes and she would practically proposition them.

They really should work on that issue with both Sommer and Christie - let them learn how to flirt and how to be present with guys and not make it sexual with each one.

>I agree...why couldn't they have sent
>her to a ballroom class.
> That dancing is intimate.

Excellent point! Being held and guided by the male partner requires trust and is very personal. That would be a wonderful way for any woman to feel adored without it being all about sex.

> I'm not a prude,
>but I really can't stand
>the current dance trends.
>The woman bends over and
>the guy dances behind her
>and looks like he's doing
>"you know what". It's
>sooo demeaning to women.

I'm not either but you would think a show like SO that claims to want to break the sterotypes about women doesn't really help when they show stuff like this! I found the whole segment very demeaning. Like Sommer can only stay if she freak dances the guy. Hey I didn't see Rhonda stepping out of her box and joining her!

You made some excellent points about sterotypes. I wish that the producers would take your comments as constructive criticism, and change direction, not just for the sake of Sommer's development, but for other women with similar hangups.

On the other hand, I'd rather not see Rhonda joining in the bump and grind, in you don't mind! Seeing Sommer was enough!!

From lst year's bio of Sommer:

". . . With her self-deprecating persona now obsolete, she wants to figure out who she is on the inside. To make matters worse, when Sommer has lost weight in the past, she's reacted to the increased male attention by becoming promiscuous . . .Sommer has entered the SO house to gain the tools she needs to find herself . . ." (from old SO site)

I must have missed something from this segment with Sommer learning Hip Hop dancing.Because it didn't strike me as sleazy at all.I think Sommer had a serious issue with body image at one time but that seems to have resolved itself.I'm not sure why SO is still addressing it.Ballroom dancing might have taught Sommer some social skills but come on she's a YOUNG woman.How many twenty somethings want to learn to Ballroom dance?I'm not sure why Sommer is there except as a means to make Rhonda look better and so they don't have to bring a completely new HG in.She's filler.

I'm not sure she needs to be there either. I kind of think she grew outside of the house, and doesn't need the validation. Though, not being her, I can't really know. The bump and grind dancing would be a little too much for me. So hey, the fact that she did it says how confident she has become. I think Sommer has turned into a very beautiful woman and person all together. I guess the good thing about being back in the house is that she can get her graduation present now.

>From lst year's bio of Sommer:
>
>
>". . . With her self-deprecating
>persona now obsolete, she wants
>to figure out who she
>is on the inside.
>To make matters worse, when
>Sommer has lost weight in
>the past, she's reacted to
>the increased male attention by
>becoming promiscuous . . .Sommer
>has entered the SO house
>to gain the tools she
>needs to find herself .
>. ." (from old SO
>site)

Not only was this in Sommer's original bio, she also admitted to Rhonda that, whenever she'd lost weight in the past, she'd become sexually promiscuous. Including having sex with a former boyfriend, then married to someone else, at a party. And, what did Rhonda do about it? Teach Sommer that she didn't "put out" for every man who paid her some attention? Instead she began encouraging Sommer to flirt. By sending her to Lock & Key events. And, pushing her to date. Even using her HM's as matchmakers to arrange blind dates. The "dance" lesson was just more of the same. And, it was more simulated sex than dancing.

Although, I didn't find the dance too out of character for what they call dancing today...it wasn't for me, but I have to agree with Kree, who said:

... the fact that she did it says how confident she has become. ...on this we can agree.

I still feel, however, that to some degree Sommer is still "people pleasing" as noted by one poster that her persona changes depending on her environment much like a chameleon..."she's not totally confident" just being "Sommer"....whoever she really is."

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LAST EDITED ON 05-07-06 AT 04:45 PM (EST)

May I join the chorus of those who think that hip-hop dance lesson was ridiculous. And yes, I do think that Sommer enjoyed that hip-hop guy grinding up behind her a little too much. (Ewww) Frankly though, I doubt it would have gone much further with him if the cameras were off since my gaydar was picking up major signals from him. Also, his outfit was absurd. I'm so over that over-sized clown suit thing. What is sexy about that? But I digress...

As others have stated, I think Hip-Hop was a VERY poor choice of dance style to instruct Sommer in. The hip-hop culture is notoriously demeaning to women, or "b*tches and ho's" as they are almost exclusively referred to in hip-hop land.

Sadly, this demeaning culture to women has been crossing over to mainstream society and has influenced everything from fashion (witness Sommer's thong and coinslot) to the way people talk (witness Sommer's faux ghetto speak) and inappropriate sexual behavior (witness Sommer's inability to separate sex from male attention which are almost always interwoven in hip hop culture.)

I agree that Ballroom would have been a much better technique for her to learn. It's all about male/female interaction with respect and trust which is exactly what Sommer needs help with. For the poster who asked what 20-something would be interested in ballroom--where've you been? Ballroom is HUGE these days. Without doing any sociological research on the subject, my guess is that the pendulum is swinging back the other way because folks are sick of the sleazy, demeaning culture hip hop is presenting as "mainstream" these days.

>As others have stated, I think
>Hip-Hop was a VERY poor
>choice of dance style to
>instruct Sommer in. The
>hip-hop culture is notoriously demeaning
>to women, or "b*tches and
>ho's" as they are almost
>exclusively referred to in hip-hop
>land.

also, let's not forget that hip hop was born out of the Black community and sommer made it CLEAR last season that she doe not think Black men are equal with white men.

Black men are there to entertain her or help her work out. Servants. i wish they didn't bring back this psycho beyotch from from hell.

IT seems to me that Sommer loves the attention.The more the better.She is probably trying to pick up a man.She almost seems like she is acting to me.Seems phoney as he** to me.I think Sommer should go try out for a sitcom or a soap opera.I think this will be my one and only post about Sommer.I do not intend to give her anymore of my attantion.

>IT seems to me that Sommer
>loves the attention.The more the
>better.She is probably trying to
>pick up a man.She almost
>seems like she is acting
>to me.Seems phoney as he**
>to me.I think Sommer should
>go try out for a
>sitcom or a soap opera.I
>think this will be my
>one and only post about
>Sommer.I do not intend to
>give her anymore of my
>attantion.

BINGO! I think you're right on the nose, Sillybear. NOTHING Sommer says, especially in the confessionals, seems genuine to me. It seems like she's trying so hard to give all the right answers to prove how much she's changed, but I don't believe any of it.

I'm all for second chances (although for Sommer I this is about the 4th chance, 3 warnings from last season and another go round this season. That makes 4 by my count.) but whenever she opens her mouth my gut just hears "fake, fake, fakety fake, fake phony fake. Fakety fake. Phony."
I'm jsut not buying it.

This thread has turned decidedly ugly, and not because it's related to the topic at hand.

AshLanie and UWSider, you need to take your disagreement -- and topic -- somewhere else. Warnings to you both for "starting forest fires."