Sandra doesn't have the votes to win, but it doesn't stop me from wanting her to.
Thanks for making this season so much fun to spoil!
Lil-win IC to take her to the f3.
I would be happy so long as it's not a Lil win. I say Lil gets one vote, Darrah gets the rest.
Darrah aces the ICs!
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jon: barring an immunity win, i think jon'll be the first to go. we have seen numerous scenes with him touting his pledges to F3 and F2, but i don't think he's going to get that far. i think the chica alliance will hold just long enough to get rid of him, if for no other reason that these three women fear jon's "strategic domination" might make him hard to beat in the end, regardless of what a shmuck he's been. plus sandra hates him. (mental note: don't piss that woman off! hell hath no fury like sandra scorned!!)sandra: i just don't see sandra winning the final endurance challenge, as much as i'd like to see her win the $1 mil. and i think whether it's lil or darrah who wins it, they'll choose each other to take to the end.
lil: yuck.
darrah: darrah was won me over. i've been sick with the thought of her winning throughout the whole season. but over these last few weeks, particularly with her kick-@ss ICs, i've changed my mind -- she deserves to win. with a bunch of over-the-top personalities like rupert, jon, burton, sandra, and andrew, i think the UTR, "meek-and-mild" strategy was a good bet.
cannot friggin wait for the reunion show
Just wishful thinking! ::grin::
Only because I hate him and love her, especially after last night.
Jon gets the first boot as Sandra comes from no where and falls off a plank to win the F4 IC...Sandra goes when DArrah wins the F3 IC, she knows that if Drake votes Drake and Morgan votes Morgan, she can't beat Sandra, but may beat the Outcast, Lillian
Lillian gets no votes at TC as she's done her best to make everyone believe she sent them down the river.
Darrah wins!
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-03 AT 01:19 AM (EST)but it could be D/J/L/S or J/D/L/S
If Sandra wins F4 IC, the choice is either Jon or Darrah. She will probably have to convince Lill that they can't afford to let Darrah have a chance at the F3 IC. Likewise, if Jon wins F4 IC, the choice is between Sandra and Darrah, and he will have to try and convince Lill the same. Somehow I think they convince Lill, and Darrah gets the boot (otherwise Jon gets the boot)
ETA one more F4 thought - i wouldn't be surprised by a tie here. If S/J decide D/L can't be broken, I think they would risk even the purple rock to have a 2/3 chance of final 2. The obvious target would again be Darrah as long as she doesn't win immunity (and if it is Fallen Comrades, I don't see either Darrah or Jon winning, so D is a viable target)
In a F3 immunity, I think Sandra has got a damn good shot - people kept saying about Burton "oh, no, the strongest doesn't win" to reason a Darrah win, but now they are convinced noone can beat Darrah? It's all about determination, and I don't think anyone can beat Sandra in that department. So I think she wins and takes Jon, either because of a F2 pact, or because she thinks Lill will be too hard to beat
Sandra beats Jon 4-3 or 5-2
my best guess on each potential F2 vote:
Sandra/Jon 5-2
Sandra/Lill 5-2
Sandra/Darrah 5-2
Jon/Lillian 3-4
Jon/Darrah 4-3
Lillian/Darrah 4-3DMNW!!!
I think that under normal circumstances I'd have voted for Jon to be the first one out with the three chicas sticking together.However, there's a few things that bug me about the way everything's working out. One is the long-time spoiler of a 'bearded man' in third place. It popped up at about the same time as the older woman/younger woman F2, so why should we trust the F2 spoiler that much more than the bearded-man-in-3rd spoiler? I think they're about equally important ... so since I believe in the F2 spoiler, then Jon as the bearded guy in 3rd should fit as well.
I see Bebo up above has said she trusts the editing of "Jon in F3 or F2" to be misdirection, but I think it's ambiguous enough to mean that Jon doesn't make F2, not necessarily meaning F3.
So, I think one of two things happen in the F4: Jon wins IC so Darrah and Lillian band together with Jon to boot Sandra ... or Darrah wins IC, but Jon has worked his act on Lillian to convince her that she wants to keep Jon as a F2 opponent so they decide to boot Sandra.
If it's the latter scenario, then in the F3 IC, Darrah outlasts Jon and Lillian for her fifth straight immunity to remove any doubt about whether Lillian would sit on the fence over keeping Jon or going with the nicer person in Darrah.
F2: Darrah routs Lillian 7-0.
None of the girls can WAIT to kick Johnny Fairplay's a$$ right out of there. Jon's gone unless he wins immunity.Dead-eye Darrah wins Final IC, taking Lill, A fellow Morgan, to the F2.
Darrah wins by a landslide.
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-03 AT 09:37 AM (EST)Edited because i got it backwards!Let's hear it for the dyslexics!
it should read:
Jon-going down first!See Ya! Jerk!
Lill-going second because you flipped out
Sandra-very feisty,if she could win immunity, i bet she's be
in first place, but she can't sooooooooooooooo
The winner is Darrah!!
Darrah kept on winning the Immunity.Sandra got Rupert's, Jon's & Christa's votes and the rest to Darrah.
And I've been looking forward to Jon's boot all season....Siren
jon
sandra
lillian
darrah wins
Of course. And yawn.
I like to be agreeable with people I've just met.Just trying to up my DAW level in my first few days of posting!
I'm an overachiever
Jon wins first IC
Boo-hoo, Sandra has to go (she is my favorite), as Lil & D. like each other too much for a different result.2nd IC, Lil wins and on PRINCIPLE AS A SCOUT MASTER she votes out Jon, not caring that she is in the process losing $900K.
Don't care what any of you think, she is a person I'd want with me, and a true SURVIVOR,
Of course, Darrah beats Lil in the vote.
It's funny how many quotes get misquoted as the Season Progresses.I believe Jon will win the F4 immunity to bring irony to several statements. First, early on, Jon said Sandra is in the alliance but will no way make Final 4. Sandra makes Final 4. Jon told his buddy he is in the Final 2. 3rd would ironically be one short. Sandra says Jon can't win immunity because he's like a girl.
Between Jon and Sandra, its personal, and I think we will see them as the showdown for 4th place. Darrah and Lillian have bonded and formed an alliance, and they trust each other, so either Jon or Lillian have to go unless we have a tie (which may be the twist referred to in the misdirection).
Sandra says she's not going to let Jon "get" her for a 3rd time or something like that, and he does. Sandra comes in 4th to come home worn and weathered.
Lillian has been shown to be wanting to win an Immunity so bad and think she does pull it off at Final 3. She takes Darrah to Final 2 thinking she's being nice and doing what the nice thing to do is, and gets slammed by a possible 7-0 vote.
Darrah wins, and for those who think Darrah shouldn't win, look again: Darrah starts out on the Island as comrade of Nicole. As soon as Nicole blunders and becomes a target, Darrah gracefully distances herself. She lays low as Ryan S is the next logical boot. She sees herself a potential target and uses her wiles to have Ryan O save her through threatening Andrew. She pulls through when needed on challenges (gross food, hanging in the air, and stays somewhat humble, and in good character in tribal councils).
At the merge, she again lays low, seeing the tensions on the Drakes and allowing Andrew and Ryno to be sent packing. And any time it comes up to asking her if she wants to go home, she doesn't create a fury, thus making it not much fun to boot her and giving one of the superegos a chance to go. She pulls through in Immunity when she needs it. In the scrabble challenge, the others got hasty, and she kept her patience, and won. Same thing in the challenge this last week. Even though favoring her with small hands, she kept her patience as we saw others getting flustered. She doesn't make off like she is there to win. Notice, how she tells Lil and Sandra she would be happy at Number 3, giving them hope that she can be eliminated there.
As for her comment that gets mocked, about Jon lying and telling the truth, that was actually when I decided she was a great player. She believes Jon will take her to Final 2 if the situation falls that way, but she makes sure she knows where she stands before making plans.
This seems like the most logical boot order given everything we have heard and seen. Of course, it rarely plays out that way (someone unexpectedly usually wins a critical IC for example). We will know very soon.
I think they boot Jonny A-Play, Darrah wins final immunity and picks Sandra
You've got it right, RealityRyan!!!
Why does Lil win? Because that would be the WORST ENDING EVER.Okay, I'm a pessimist. Sue me.
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-03 AT 02:09 PM (EST)Hi VerucaSalt
I've had this as my PTTE for quite a while now - no reason to change.
forehead
ETA: VerucaSalt, it was a lot of fun playing with you See you at ASS. So, who goes first in ASS?
all i wished for was Sandra to outlast Jon, i doubt it will happen, DAMN Jon winning final 4 immunity
DMNW! SMW!~ cq
zoink
Jon / Darrah / Lil / Sandra
Jon darrah Lil Sandra
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woohoo
Here's to some wishful thinking in this order. I hate Jon and Lil was a loser once and doesn't deserve to win. Though I want Sandra to win, I think Darrah will win over Sandra.
what are we going to do until the Super Bowl?
I have enjoyed participating this year instead of being a lurker. Thanks for the laughs.Magic Fingers
Liz Marvan
Totally looking forward to Jon walking the "plank of shame"!!
Would be happy with either a Sandra or Darrah win, they are the two left who deserve it. GREAT SEASON ~ AHOY!!!
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-03 AT 00:47 AM (EST)OK...I know this goes against virtually every spoiler, but I'm still not convinced about the long term spoiler: ChillOne has made me question everything.
Yes, the Panama Vacation spoiler has been mostly correct, but not completely: Lil has yet to win an individual challege (fulfilling the "superwoman" spoiler), and I really can't see someone describing Jon as a "bearded man" who takes third. Burton, though, I can see. And yes, Survivor Phoenix has a Lil and Darrah F2, but they haven't been infallible this season (the merge, and the lemming-like alteration of their boot when Snewser threw everyone for a loop).
I postulate that the Panama Vacation spoiler gave us the final 3 people BOOTED, not the F3. Plus, Sandra was supposedly an alternate for ASS, and she would likely only deserve that status if she wins.
ETA: Also, I seem to remember a comment from Jon that "Sandra will not win the million dollars." Sounds like our key confessional to me.
I see Darrah winning immunity at F4, and Sandra convincing Darrah to vote out Lill (since everyone seems to think she's so likeable). Then, Sandra finally shows a modicum of strength at the F3 IC, and takes Jon. Between Sandra and Jon, Sandra wins going away.
Besides, as others have said: DARRAH MUST NOT WIN!
Im thinking that Jon wins the first IC and he votes with Sandra for Darrah. Lil and Darrah vote for Sandra and we have some kind of memorable Tiebreaker between the two giving us the twist and Darrah survives.Then the F3 comes down to an Endurance challenge and Jon gives a "Hatch" type speech ala surv one and drops out thinking that whoever wins would want to take him, However Darrah outlasts Lil and boots Jon. This would lead us to the comment earlier on by either JP or MB, that we would cheer when he went down. The Jury vote should be interesting with two Morgans in the F2 but Lil has had to many deciding boot votes to hold against her and i see Rupert, Ryano, T, and Burton giving her the million dollars for the minimum needed
Deep inside though Id love to see Jon and Sandra in the F2 just to see the fireworks.
The True Survivor formula, Rupert + Rob C. = Richard Hatch
Jon wins first IC forcing Sandra out.
this is post #57 counting 55 votes and 1 double postFirst, the totals in complete vote form:
23 - J/S/L/D
14 - S/J/L/D
6 - J/L/S/D
2 - L/J/S/D
2 - D/L/J/S
2 - L/D/J/S
1 - D/J/L/S
1 - J/D/L/S
1 - J/L/D/S
1 - J/S/D/L
1 - S/J/D/L
1 - D/S/L/JF2 pairings:
39 - D/L
9 - D/S
4 - J/S
2 - L/S
1 - L/JWinner picks:
45 - Darrah
7 - Sandra
2 - Lillian
1 - JonSecond place picks:
40 - Lillian
8 - Sandra
4 - Jon
3 - DarrahThird place votes:
25 - Sandra
18 - Jon
9 - Lillian
3 - DarrahFourth place votes:
32 - Jon
15 - Sandra
4 - Darrah
4 - Lillian-------------
DMNW!!!
Why?
Cause I'm the Queencityfan, thats' why.
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 02:40 AM (EST)Jon - out because the alliance holds
Sandra - because Lil wins IC (full moon? spoilers gasp!) and picks Darrah to go with her (or, okay, well, maybe, vice-versa) since she (either one) thinks Sandra has votes in her pocket
Lil wins because majority of jury likes the idea of first sole Survivor to be voted out of the tribe (at one point)
Go Queen City!!!
*edit*
Just read PelicanPete in #70. If my F2 is wrong, none of this matters, but...We may think everyone on the jury is "upset with" Lil. Devil's advocate asks, "what if" at FTC, she explains her sworn alliance with Burton and she remained true to it until he showed she couldn't trust him because he was about to double-cross Darrah?
Methinks the voting could go this way:
Darrah: T & Ryno
Lil: Rupert, C, S, J & BLil gets the votes because Darrah is seen as only there because she won IC's. My memory's not great, but isn't the winner usually the one who gets to F2 with the least immunities?
Anyway, it's just a theory
I haven't been right on a prediction yet so I'll vote with the spoilers. One thing about S7 is that the personalities and the twists have caused this to be unpredictable, so this probably isn't going to happen. There's hope that the spoilers will be spoiled.Sunday Night should be a lot of fun to watch.
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 06:50 PM (EST)
hi foreheadNo reason why that can't happen. Despite the "spoilers" I'm going with what seems more reasonable. Jon getting his nose shoved in the dirt by the women. Goes against what is being touted but I like that
It was, as always, fun playing with you
And as always, a pleasure "spoiling" and "speculating" with everyone here
ETA: But I'm crossing every finger for the Sandra/Jon matchup that has been thrown at us
ETA: That I'd have to think hard on though Hatch going first would seem logical, ahem Here's to a Rupert vs. Susan in the final two though
Sandra was a player from the beginning. She bartered Gold for chicken and has been working her magic ever since they jumped ship!
although everything is pointing to Darrah, I think Sandra is it. It's like everyone going for Matthew when it was Jenna that won. My alternate winner is Jon with the order flipped.
I hope Lil goes before Sandra butt this is what I am going with!
That's what I'd LIKE to see, but think it will be S/J/L/D.
alternate:
Darrah/Jon/Lill/Sandra
I keep vasilating between the Lil and Sandra position...I am pretty confident about the other two. Ah, the pressure!
It's difficult for me to go against the original spoiler of the bearded man at final 3. So my alt is S/J/L/D.Thanks to Sherps and everyone for making this season so much fun! Smooshes to all!
Bebe
IC 1- Fallen Comrades IC and JON has been more sociable (albeit annoying) so I would think that this challenge would favor him over the other three. Just a guess.TC 1- Darrah and Lill agree to vote out SANDRA.
IC 2- Darrah countinues on with her IC wins to make it a 4th IC win overall in an endurance challenge that she dominates.
TC 2- Darrah stays true to the girl alliance and sends Jon to Jury duty.
Final TC - Time for maybe the best Final TC jury speeches ever! Rupert, Ryno, Burton, Sandra, and Christa all rip Lill to shreds with their comments. (Tijuana isn't that type of person and Jon wasn't really betrayed by her because he voted for her at last TC too). All of those five are p**$ed that Lill stabbed them in the back and it doesn't help her cause in their eyes that she is an outcast. The voting goes as follows:
S7 Jury Votes
Ryno- Darrah (Lill betrayed Morgan and he loves Darrah)
Rupert- Darrah (Lill betrayed the Drakes when Rupe was voted out and he is furious).
Tijuana- Darrah (Lill betrayed Morgan and Darrah is her girl)
Christa- Lill (Darrah lied to Sandra and Christa when D told them that Lill was getting her vote at F6 TC)
Burton- Darrah
Sandra- Darrah(?) (Speculating that Jon wins IC and Sandra goes to Lill to get rid of IC threat Darrah but Lill turns her down or says yes then stabs her in the back at F4 TC)
Jon- Darrah(?) (Felt his alliance w/Burton died because of Lill stabbing them in the back and forming and alliance with the girls)So Darrah wins S7 6-1!
-PP
Why - well I don't know why one of them wouldn't turn on the others and allign themselves with Jon...because that's a sure way to win ...anyone and Jon and the anyone would win!
However I think the female alliance will prevail and then Darrah will win immunity and pick Lil because she's smart enough to know if Sandra's there...well it could be either one of them and with Lil by her side she should win because most won't vote for an outcast
Now we know what the girls will be using to scrub potatoes and mop floors.
Just hope. Jon and Sandra were the stars ... tarnished maybe,
but fun ............... Sandra bartering Trish to the female
clerk was classic ......
Jon/Sandra/Lil/Darrah
I really don't care who wins anymore as long as long as LIL is out first - I had enought of her! Between Jon, Sandra and Darrah - they are all equaly desring the win
This would insure a win for Sandra; but I don't know how it would work as far as alliances. Sandra is smart if she teams up with Jon, though.
I think Jon wins the IC and the gals have to figure who to boot instead. Lil and Darrah are closer to each other than they are to Sandra. So they pick Sandra. Jon goes along thinking he will then get the Drake votes on the jury.Either Lil or Darrah win the final IC and take each other. Jon is left out and the women triumph.
Lil gets roasted by the jury and Darrah wins.
Darrah wins both immunities, and wins the game with at least 5 jury votes, possibly all 7.
I heard she goes at F3 in August and I'm sticking to it!
I'm going with the Snews, thrilled and PROUD to change my vote for a winner with spunk and personality! Sandra did what she had to do, she did whatever it took! Awesome ending to a great season......now bring on the all-stars!
Go Darrah!
thanks for a great voting season Dave
Though I do wish I am wrong.
For what's left of the contestants my dream list would be :
Lillian/Jon/Darrah/Sandra, but it ain't what the spoilers say
I will happily go with snewser on this one and bet on Sandra to win!
Woohoo!
7-0
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-03 AT 06:21 PM (EST)As much as I would like to see Sandra win, my pragmatic side comes out here. This result would really not bother me at all.
I_AM_HE, we'll all be here for you after you get through post-Darrah win syndrome I'm sure someone here can recommend a good counselor.
DWW!! (5-2 or 6-1)
I just have a feeling that Jon is actually going to win an IC.
*crosses fingers and hopes she's right and waves to the others in the "Sandra wins" camp*
Can't wait for allstars.
J-S-L-D
Alternate Jon-LSD, Hey, Maybe that's what Made Jon the way he is! He does seem to be "Trppin'" sometimes.
At least I hope so, since I think Darrah's cute as hell!!
whatever
See my vote from E12 for my explanation.
See my post in "Don't rule Jon out" chain
EJ
I know I'm swimming up stream here -- but this is what my gut tells me to do.Scarlett
I'm going with the bookies on this one.
But of course I hope notCome in a stranger,leave a little stranger
Going against the final three spoiler. Jon's remarks about Sandra not making it to F4, or her not winning the $mil have always stuck with me. Wishful thinking on my part. Altn S/J/L/D
DDW
Jon makes his drama-queen-esque departure by proclaiming to the world that he really isn't six inches short.world remains unconvinced.
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GM
Darrah will win over Lill with a 5-2 vote.Ryan O votes Darrah
Rupert votes Lill
Tijuana votes Darrah
Christa votes Lill
Burton votes Darrah
Sandra votes Darrah
Jon votes DarrahI think the fact that Sandra is shown saying she'd vote for Lill is irony, in that she ends up voting against her.
Will Sandra feel betrayed by Lill somehow?
Hope the jury is not too harsh on Lill.
raven
Goodbye Jon!
I'd like Sandra to win...but don't think so.
go Lil
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Thought Sandra would win this Survivor ever since the gambling site stopped bets because of the disproportionate amount of money going down on her. Since she probably can't beat Darrah in the final two, that means Lill or Jon is up against her. The ladies are still very angry at Jon and I doubt any trust him enough to keep him even one more round so I'm guessing he goes next.
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 04:53 PM (EST)Since Survivor Phoenix shut down, their "spoiler" must be doomed (I hope). I've liked Sandra from the beginning, I hope it's true!
Hey, it might have paid off to be so disorganized I forgot it was Sunday. Thanks to everyone for making the season so much fun.
Not what I want, but how I think things go down. If Darrah does win at least one of the 2 remaining IC's, I'll at least see her as "deserving."---
UDG
I can't wait for Darrah not to be F2. I am soo sick of people, not only taking this vague spoiler as the truth, but assuming that young person HAS to be Darrah. Darrah is gone as soon as she loses immunity *crosses finger*
Jon probably deserves the win more than any of these three but there is no way he goes to the final 2.
Cin
Not jumping on Snewser's band wagon yet. Mainly because there's still no check marks on the F4 picks
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-03 AT 07:37 PM (EST)Okay, like everybody else, I saw the ABT prediction too, so in the name of fairness, I'm listing the prediction I made before I saw the spoiler ... I still say Jon and Sandra have had a secret alliance since the very beginning -- and unlike Colby and Tina, they did this while being on opposing (open) alliances! -- but it wasn't enough to beat Darrah the Challenge Demon.
Edited to add: Enjoyed it for another season, folks! See y'all in January!
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