I wondered the same thing and for all we know it could be Chillone reincarnated. Don't know why CBS/SEG would suddenly give permission for all of them to post but what the heck, it's a Survivor fix to help the withdrawal issues.

LAST EDITED ON 05-28-03 AT 10:21 PM (EST)

no i think she is real wezzie the survivor map woman e-mailed with her and said she is the real thing.

Just checking ... That's the same Wezzie who confirmed that Survivor 7 would be in Mexico, right? The same Wezzie who supposedly came back from the Marquesas with tons of information about the goings-on in Survivor 4, almost all of which was completely incorrect?

I got tired after about 5 pages, but it was fun.

"Do you know, I always thought unicorns were fabulous monsters, too? I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we have seen each other," said the unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you." Lewis Carroll; Through the Looking Glass

LAST EDITED ON 06-01-03 AT 01:53 AM (EST)

It's up to page 37 on Deena's main thread, page 2 on her conspiracy thread.

I'm going to collect all the trialdawg posts here for ease of reading.

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trialdawg
Be nice to me
Posts: 3
(5/24/03 12:15:16 pm)
Reply FROM DEENA TO THE SUCKSTERS W/LOVE
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Yes, I am Deena Bennett 2nd member of the jury. And as far as I can tell the most arrogant person of Suvivor 6, a title I well deserved. Most of you will not think it is me. Try this: The biggest cases of my career were People v. Donna Knight (drowned her newborn 2nd degree murder conviction) and People v. Kerry Clyde Martin (He was the senior pastor at Temecula Valley Baptist Church and molested several kids from when he was a youth minister -- he is now serving 206 years and 8 months to life in state prison) So put that in your little pipe and bite down. All you unbelievers as to who I am can look those cases up on the internet.

Now on to better things..... I want to thank you all for really giving me a ride during this period. I was prepared when I went to the Amazon because I knew exactly where it was going to be. (Some day I will explain the water baloons.) Also it was fun to read what everybody else was going through when preparing for the semi-final interviews, thanks to Wezzie. I will not be able to go into that or any other production thing ---- Sorry! It was also great to see the spoiler stuff. Of course I wanted to get on the boards -- but you know contract and all.

I hope you all realize that I am just a regular person and if you hated me, you hated the character because truthfully that is not a true representation of who we all are. (Ok I am an overbearing control freak who is on occasion arrogant, but cripes I am a prosecutor and I deal with victims and the nasties of this world) I can remember from season 1, sitting in front of the tv, yelling at the screen when Richard Hatch kept getting further and further in the game. He is a nice guy by the way. But you don't really get that it is unbelievably difficult out there, that will never come across the waves. I didn't, till I went. Still, I would have probably have made fun of my sorry butt as well if I was posting on the boards. For the record, I am not a feminazi! (Husband and two boys, all my love in this world goes to them) I played a game where it was boys against the girls and I had fun with the theme, nothing more. Ok enough complaining because I realize that I put myself out in the public eye and subjected myself to the critisizm of the sucksters, sheesh quite a humbling experience, but I am guessing my ego could have used the deflating. The deena photoshop was one of the funniest darn things I saw. Yes, I have the ability to laugh at myself as do everyone of my collegues -- nice to come to work with your head on a dog photo on your door.

So I say even with all you critics out there and the starvation (bonus for me lost 30 pounds) I would do it again. I have made lasting friendships. Of the two that were left, Jenna deserved to win. Jenna is more dimensional than you all think and I value the friendship I have made with her. But for me it came down to which person played the game the best. However, if it had been Rob, my vote would have been for him, no question.

I will do my best to answer any questions you may have but it will be limited, no doubt (contract thing). But I will say, you sucksters really are the bomb and I have enjoyed lurking and now hope to post with regularity.

With love to all you sucksters!
Deena B.

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trialdawg
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(5/24/03 1:08:57 pm)
Reply the game
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Well, I formed the alliance with the younger girls, because I had no influence on the other women. I refuse to call them older because that would mean I am older and I refuse to go there. From the get-go I had a relationship with Shawna, the barbies were hooked up, then Jeanne and Joanna got together and poor Janet already was starting to fall apart and she wanted out. That left Christy as kind of the floater. It made sense to hook up with Twiggs and Sticks, my pet names for them by the way, because they were struggling to get used to the environment and I could think about the game and discuss it with them. I packed a heap mo' fat then all the rest so I was not so physically exhausted right away. The rest just fell into place. Truth be told, there was immediate animosity with one of the other women towards the girls. (I refuse to be negative towards anyone at this point because it is over, and if you don't like it talk to the hand!) So, I went with the group that could form the tightest alliance.

All would have been great but for the mental downfall of Shawna. And in Shawna's defense I understand why it happened. She is a great girl, I really like her and her whole family. You in tv land have no idea the mental games you play with yourselves just to get through another day. Add to that in-fighting in the camp and you get a mentally exhausted person who just wants out. I lost it for about 5 seconds after the coke challenge, but I am in a different place in my life and have more life experience so I was able to handle it better. Shawna needed to go because she was relying to much on Alex for support. We could no longer trust her because she voted against the alliance and then flip-flopped. It came down to trust. But make no mistake, this also was not the true Shawna, she is beautiful and full of energy and am proud to consider her my friend.

As for Dave, all you cuties out there....he is one fine looking boy and brilliant to boot! One of the good guys. But in the game of survivor he was one of the strongest. I could never compete against him physically, and I consider myself to be one of the most athletic females out there. I did talk to the others about Dave, you saw it briefly on his boot episode. But I knew that nobody would change their mind. Sooooo off he went.

For Bubbadfarmer: CBS is everywhere, as far as I know they probably license this board. I am an attorney and I am afraid of them. The final answer is I don't know. But I am guessing they have ways to find out everything.
Deena

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trialdawg
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(5/24/03 1:22:23 pm)
Reply naked Dave
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two days after I got home, I went back to work. I have no intention of ever leaving prosecution except to be a judge should that opportunity ever arrise. I love what I do. For 6 years I worked in the Sexual Assault Child Abuse Unit. I cannot explain what it is like to look in the eyes of a child and tell him/her that it will be alright that I will make it better. It is a tremendous responsibility and yet one that I would not exchange for anything. I now am the team leader in charge of the preliminary hearing calendar in French Valley at the new court house in the south of the county. I see a variety of crimes now but I still hold onto some very heinous cases. Ok enough about me and that I am not a media whore........

It is entirely possible that I did get to see the Big Daddy Johnson, but did I look? I will never tell. The bathtub thing was one of the best times I had out there. But I was a little freaked about it because I did not ever want to get naked infront of anybody else. I still have mandates by my office and more importantly my husband is the only one to have paid the price to see this body, big fat and ugly, naked. So willchill no playboy not ever not for a million dollars.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 8
(5/24/03 9:46:06 pm)
Reply matt, jenna, alliances, voting
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Ok, sheesh I did not expect sooo much. I went on Survivor because i am a freak like all of you. I love to yell at the TV and the whiny snively contestants. When I applied I never really knew that my chances were one in a million. I can tell you w/o revealing too much that some others on my tribe had applied on multiple occasions. The application process is brutal and I did not think I would ever make it beyond the first cut. Sorry, I can't go into it more than that. I did my video myself and was just myself during all processes. If I were a guessing person I would say that they chose me because I was going to make sure the girls would not starve or freeze.

As for work ethic......the shelter was built becasue Jeanne, Joanna and I did most of the cutting. You just did not see it. The part that we all slept on....I did that. We had no help whatsoever, no Hollywood magic. We machetted our way through to the finish. We were pathetic because we just did not have the physical strength of the men. Heidi and Jenna picked up the firewood each day which was a pain in the rear and Shawna mostly tended the fire. Everyone did what they could. The editing is fair. i was portrayed exactly as I am as I think every other person is. Except I am not a Feminazi (see first statement) Control freak, aggressive and strong which is both good and bad.

As for the worm...let us put that bad boy to rest. I could have eaten it, no question. But never as fast as Matt. The thing was spawned out of the pit of hell and when you picked it up it grew like 2 inches. I never would have won. But remember also that stoooopid arrogant me thought I did not even need to try. I should have and I regret that. When i sat down at TC I knew I was a gonner. it happened about three hours before TC when Heidi and Jenna started avoiding me so I knew. But it still way hurts, then off to Looser Lodge which I cannot talk about at all ever, sorry again.

The game is not about ethics or morals or who provides really well, it is about playing a game and whatever it takes to win like lying, cheating and manipulating. I had greater respect for Jenna who did play than for Matt who was essentially brought along. He was played not a player. Yes he went nutty out there because of dehydration and malnourishment. But Matt is a great person and my family thinks the world of him. He just came in not knowing the dynamics of Survivor. Truthfully that kind of irks people like me because I am a student of the game and a fan. How can you not watch and then want to be on it???? Makes no sense to me. he was a crowd favorite because he did work hard and he was a genuinely nice albeit nutty guy. So what???? I respected and voted for the player. Like I said I would have voted for Rob (I know you are out there, cause Jenna told me you read this thread) in a heartbeat.

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trialdawg
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(5/24/03 10:15:42 pm)
Reply loooooser lodge
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I do not know why they do not permit me to talk tooo much about Looser Lodge, that is CBS rules and I will play. I do not know about Ghandia or S5 ( met her seemed very nice) but that did not happen in the Amazon. We were all very much the rule players. We did not ever talk about the game. I mean that sincerely. I played around, ran, got a fabulous tan and ate well. Dave and I became really close during that time. We all spent alot of time talking about our families. The game is exhausting and at times we never even mentioned it except maybe a we have TC tonight. We all had to privately deal with our own deamons so talking about it was not what we really needed. Does this help?

The sky is blue because God made it that way. And sorry Wezzie jury duty for you! Try this...I know this prosecutor and I think she rocks...instantaneous boot from the defense...
My closest friends: Jenna, Robb, and Dave but I like them all and will maintain contact with Roger, Shawna, Heidi, Butch, Matt, and Christy ( I am probably missing somebody, sorry)

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trialdawg
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Posts: 10
(5/24/03 10:30:19 pm)
Reply granolagate
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Granola bar, who took it, who planted it....Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I give you..........Janet. Let me first state that she was not not not not not not booted because of the bar thing. She was in a horrible state of mind and was not doing so well. Buuuuut, the bar thing did not help either. However she was going to go no matter what. Met Janets family, I think they are all fabulous. If I base my entire case on one simple fact, that Jeanne is telling the truth and that the bar came from one of the bags Janet held in her hand, that it physically fell from one of the two bags in her hand then she had to have brought it. Because my dear members of the jury, the other bag she had in her hand on the night of the storm was ......mine. I am a rule follower and no way did I bring it. Crud I wanted to loose weight not cheat. So you decide, is Jeanne lying or is Janet???? I do not believe it was planted. No need to create controversy there was already tooooo much going on.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 11
(5/24/03 10:46:47 pm)
Reply jaburu
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I know I have said this before but let me emphasize it...this was no Hollywood set. I am an outdoorsy, dirt lovin' chick with boys who love to play in the dirt. The Amazon was a scary place, especially at night. We received no help at all. If we couldn't get the fire going then too bad so sad, we were on our own. The flint broke in two and we had to put out the darned fire completely to find the other piece. We were absolutely pathetic. If our roof leaked then we got wet. If the animals came into camp then we had to fend for ourselves. You expect something but you get nothing, as far as help. The interesting thing for me is that I live in Riverside County, Southern California home of every living stinking rattlesnake species. Because of this little trip, I am no longer afraid of the bush (see my video) and I am no longer afraid of the dark. I was actually at the Ariau Hotel 10 years ago because of this insane idea I had that I needed to see the rainforests before they were all burned up. i spent 2 weeks just in the Amazon and I hated it. i was by myself except for guides and I said I would never go back. Silly me, of all the gin joints in the world......should of heard me scream when Wezzie and Dan posted the location...
As for you Milkshaky (By the way thank you for the positive posts during the show) I think we cannot talk about the Lodge becasue it really has nothing to do with the show. We do not know what is going on at the island and it is on purpose, it is kind of like a jury trial in some respects.
BTW, have I mentioned how much I want to do AllStars???? I have no info, nor do I expect any. As for S6 members posting i know you are out there Rob and Jenna, probably sleeping though. Jenna needs a screen name, any ideas??? Be nice....please

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trialdawg
Chicks rule
Posts: 12
(5/24/03 11:01:17 pm)
Reply amazonsters
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Roger -- salt of the earth and a little salty
Dave -- All-American Boy
Alex -- Mr. Hollywood
Christy -- Tree lover, earthy (no shaving here)
Heidi -- Manipulative, kind of snaky in cute girl style
Butch -- Mr. Rogers (what you see is what you get)
Rob -- Adam Sandler
Matthew -- 5150 (See Ca Penal Code)
Jenna -- alluring, sexy (really is quite beautiful)

Why did I and why do I like Jenna???? Because Jenna is real. She is not self-centered she is not all about her. She cared about the people she was with, remember her statements to Rob? She cared about the people she bonded with, she asked about our families and about our lives. It did not go out one ear onto the forest floor. He mom is sick, I will attest to that fact. Her parents are fabulous and if I couldn't win and neither could Rob then I am glad it went to her. No she did not bond with everyone out there, nobody did, people in real life do not. Unlike most 21/22 year olds, she wants to be at home. She goes to school but cares about her family. She could have any man she wants but she chooses to make sure it is the right one. She has depth. She is there for her mom when her mother has treatments and is nutty about her animals. She is intelligent and beautiful, but again I had the benefit of spending a zillion hours with her. I would not hold it against her for voting me off, I blame Heidi for that move. Still that is what the game is about, i was strong and off I went. I have no time to hold grudges unlike some in my tribe, move on turn the page and beg CBS, MB, JP for another shot.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 13
(5/24/03 11:21:40 pm)
Reply opinions
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When I went on Survivor, I went on with the blessing of the DA himself. I have an obligation under my "contract" with the DAs office to hold myself out to a morally correct standard. I know my audience. So, while on occasion I knew I wanted to go off and swear up a storm, I did not. Is it life experience, maturity, I don't know, probably the fact that I want nothing more than to prosecute crime. Not so true of some of my tribe mates.

As for the harsh press about Heidi, all I can say is I feel bad for her. And for Jenna for that matter. It is hard to grow up on national television. I have the benefit of years of verbal experience and can talk my way out of a lot of situations, all pc. They do not have that same training. So many times things did not come out as they wanted to. But on the other hand, you have to know your audience and live with the consequences of your actions. Still if you are older, (I refuse to go there) you should take it all in stride and let it run off you like water off a ducks back. I am sorry to say that not all on jaburu felt that way. My favorite line, "sticks and stones may hurt me but mold and worms are tasty!" Yes Jenna called me a fat pig (she swears it was to Dave) but so friggen what. You have all seen the photos that many of you were kind to post repeatedly, I was a fat pig. Who gives a rip in the grand scheme of things. In Heidi and Jenna's defense, I don't think it came out like they ment it to and both really just lack life experience. As for the others who responded negatively towards those same comments at the reunion and during the show: Were they pissed off that these girls were self absorbed or were they pissed off that they got booted early? You all be the judge on that. It was all a little too high schoolish for me at times. But people will be people and you can't change them so you just have to love them for who they are.

You will all notice that I left out three of the names on my list of people that I will be in contact with -- they are all female. It is not because I do not like them or that I hold a grudge against them because again I have no tolerance for deep seated anger (let it go already!) It is because I did not bond with them, that I did not find a whole bunch in common to share. All are good people and all have their negative and positive points, still nothing in that relationship of a few days that I will call upon to forge a lasting relationship or even any at all.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 14
(5/24/03 11:36:42 pm)
Reply Christy
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To all you Christy lovers out there....add me to that list. One thing you all did not see that was one of my favorites was my in-depth political discussion w/Christy on the hearing v. the deaf. I live in one of the largest populations of deaf persons in the country. In Riverside we have a large school for the deaf. I had no idea that the whole world existed and that we are excluded from that world and i think it is because they feel that they are excluded from ours. It was a turning point for Christy and for me and Christy and for Christy in the game. It was the night that Joanna got the boot and when Jeanne woke up she accused me of saying she was lazy or not a team player. I never understood things from her point of view and i think now I sort of know why i will never understand things from her point of view, if that makes sense. I liked Christy and I knew that I could trust Christy so she was my go to girl. If I would still have been in the game there would not have been the indecision she displayed with Rob and the girls. We trusted each other.

Many of you have asked why Joanna and not Jeanne. Simple answer is negative energy. I was pissed off when she made Christy cry. I thought her response to Christy's stupid remark was uncalled for and immature. But on the other hand I also knew that Joanna was working hard and loosing a ton of energy reserves. Still, who wants to suffer from the hand??? That is why she went first.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 15
(5/24/03 11:56:37 pm)
Reply secrets
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Yes I am going to the festival, Jenna says I have to. Rob says he has not posted on the sucks boards in awhile -- but who can tell he is such a fibber! Christy is all natural no silly razors for her. Sorry Milkshaky can't tell you any production secrets and as it was had to get super top cop clearance to do this. Willchill I had trialdawg since before BB1 and I voted a million times for yelly Kelly (AI1) and Clay. I do not know how to go to my inbox and I do not have a web site yet. If you need autographs send your request like a zillion others to the DAs office in Riverside County, they will route it for me. A special prize to the person who can get the guy who got the tree perch tree mail off e-bay (the immunity challenge I won). He outbid me with 30 seconds left to spare. I have e-mailed him and he has not responded. As for photos, I do not have permission yet. But then I will have trouble posting them so somebody will have to do it for me.

So overall what is it like being on Survivor, a lot like pregnancy, Labor and delivery. You like the idea you get pregnant, during labor and delivery all you want to do is scream and shout, then you go through postpartem depression. After awhile you say to yourself, gosh i would like to be pregnant all over again.

It was hard to leave my kids. My husband the SWAT cop took off the time to be with the boys who were 14 months and 4 at the time. many of you may think it was really too selfish to leave them....you are right. but I have a spirit that will not be shut down and i do not want to teach my boys to live with regret. Live your dreams!

Thoughts on JP: TC is harsh and it was hard to duck the questions, even for a trained litigator. He is perfect for the job. He does it well. TC by the way was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Full of animals, set in the jungle, again all very real.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 16
(5/25/03 12:11:12 am)
Reply Heidi et al
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So back to the cute girl thing eh? They were harsh to the barbies, no doubt. But what I think Heidi ment to say is, that there is a jealousy aspect, that because of their age and size that they did not relate. They being Janet, Jeanne and Joanna. The girlies did not do much in camp because they were not packing as much meat as the rest of us, so they were busy trying to aclimate themselves. It angered some of the older girlies and they glared. Heidi wanted to say something more in the lines of different demographic and physical groups --- it came out cute young girls. I understood what they ment but probably because I was there. I was in this quagmire of in between life becasue I was older (how can one be old at 35 darn it?) and I was fat but I related to the cute young girls.

I do not regret the Alex move, except that whole part of getting myself booted. I strategically was making the best move. We were wearing thin on one another, and I saw him as a threat. He was working to oust me, remember the Jenna coffee bar thing? I ran out of stinking energy and so I failed to get Butch and Matt's vote. if I did then Rob would have voted with the rest of us. he voted with the majority, which clearly I was not in. Butch liked me, always did because as you know he respects work ethic and Matt still owed me for saving his butt at Jaburu (Shawna went instead). i could have manuevered that whole thing had I not relied on Rob. Rob was telling them that I was getting rid of the men and he told them they were getting rid of the girls. Good move, right move, poorly played -- no energy to work it.
On a side note these are coming fast and furious so forgive my spelling and punctuation. I am going night night now and i will see you all tomorrow....go to bed milkshaky

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trialdawg
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Posts: 17
(5/25/03 4:23:31 pm)
Reply I'm baaack
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Ok, went to church, fed the belly, and now i am ready to be hit again. TigerTom02: You rock my funnies! To all of you including ILuvPenny, no hard feelings. I put myself out there, no question about it, and like I said before alot of the stuff was well deserved. Yup arrogant no doubt, but did you not all have fun loving me or loving to hate me???? How funny was that when I got whacked in the head with the meat and then some poster played it over and over again slo mo and fast. I came to work with that on my computer screen thank you very much! But one minor note, the great thing that I did display for me anyway was my dedication, strength and my tenacity. The residule? Well the girls are coming to me in droves asking for my autograph! Who'd a thunk it? That tells me alot about the younger generation, for some odd reason I came across as a role model, fat pig and all. So to ILuvPenny I don't think i had all that much negative stuff but from your standpoint I can see why you thought I did.
Trialdawg means just that I am a trial lawyer and a relentless dog. "If you hurt, molest or kill a child then welcome to my world because I am your worst nightmare."
To Paullyn: I respect your opinion but you could not be more wrong. Anyone will tell you that I was calling all the shots a Jaburu pre-swap. I made the decisions after talking with the girls as to which person was going to go and who would stay. I convinced Christy to vote for Joanna. Why did I not allign with Janet Joanna and Jeanne? Because they despised us all. Undeserved and uncalled for. Even after the swap, i had a choice either Matt or Shawna and I made that decision after talking with Matt. Nobody is better adept at second my own decisions than I am but not those. Alligning with the girls was the best way to go and I do not regret it for a moment. Jenna would have stayed with me but for the lies or whatever from Heidi when she realized I was not going to stick with her to the final four. Good move on her part. My error was not going after Matt and Butch and relying too much on Robb. They did not use me, I am way too bright for that.

Ok Rob: greatest guy in the game, honestly love him to death. But for him, we all probably would have gone the way of Janet. But there is no crying in Survivor. Rob tell them all about the 12 days of Survivor!!!!! I will let him tell you all that, shame him out of lurking.

As for post Survivor anger, I don't really know. it was apparent to me that there was still animosity based on some of the answers given at the reunion. I spent most of my time with the team of Jacare and specifically Dave, Alex, Rob, Heidi, Jenna, Shawna, Butch, Matt and even Roger. You all do the rest.

Legalities: I will talk about what happened in the game and very little about the rest. Forbotten don't ya know.

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trialdawg
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(5/25/03 4:38:24 pm)
Reply personally speaking
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Let us put some stuff to rest. We have to make our own potties, sometimes communal, sometimes pull up a tree or a bush or cop a squat. No TP ever for anything. Part of the girls' problems at good old Jaburu???? Greg LeMond's team never did so much cycling ever, and all at the same time. Yes we had girlie stuff but still had to use it all out in the open or behind a tree. The lack of vitamins and minerals you get from oh I don't know eating and drinking, caused me to cycle for 21 days. Oh sucked to be me. Shawna suffered from a similar fate. So I can understand why some of the women wanted to boil their clothes, ok not really but to some it was more important than the shelter.

Roger's panties, well they were used as a strainer for the water and when he left we hiked them.....We were always dirty but nobody really seemed to mind. The jungle offers no comfort. I will likely never go back to the jungle by Manaus but most definately to Rio to visit friends. But i will always remember the jungle as being one of the most beautiful places I have ever been to.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 19
(5/25/03 4:57:47 pm)
Reply voting strategy
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One of my favorite moves of all time in the game of Survivor is when Colby picked Tina. I respect that and it shows a lot of honor. I do not believe i would have done the same thing. But my loyalty will always go to my family first, I wanted to win for them. So some critical decisions I made was to let Shawna go even though i had an alliance with her. In one scene it showed me telling jenna and I think Heidi as to why we needed to burn the original alliance. Why should you feel bead over letting somebody go when you have know them for less than a month? They understood. But somewhere in the middle Jenna got emotionally behind and Heidi and Jenna needed each other especially when Alex was booted, and I understand that as well. But my respect for Jenna really came at this junction: When Rob offered her a deal at the final challenge and she said no. The princess did not take the easy road out, she played darn it! I am not so convinced that Matt threw this challenge either, I was there and I had the benefit of seeing his physical condition. So Jenna survives, the phycially weakest of the three lasts and it is her choice. Based on prior statements about relationships, logic would dictate that she should have taken Rob, but she did not. Why, because she had a better chance of beating Matt, a great chance. I do not think she ever would have beaten Rob. You may not like her personally but she was thinking and playing to the end. Jenn wanted the money and outwitted and outplayed the rest to get. Do I think Christy made a biff at the voting booth, absolutely not. Christy came to repect the game at the end but I guess had too many morals to lie. Why do I not think there were any errors. Christy is was too smart for that and she watched prior shows. This is woman who can compete in the hearing and deaf communities so no I do not think thee were errors. But FTR (for the record) I want to see the darn voting booth confessionals as well.
If it came down to Rob, Christy, and Jenna who would I take -- tough call beause I became close with all. But I did this for my family and 2nd place would have sucked soooooooo Christy and then maybe Jenna. i could not have beaten Rob and probably not even jenna. My best shot was with Christy. You have to remember that to some degree albeit lesser it is a popularity thing.

Somebody post the link for Jeanne's talk so I can go there.

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trialdawg
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Posts: 20
(5/25/03 5:30:32 pm)
Reply Jeanne Jeanne the exaggerating machine
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Wow! What a load of hoooooey and this from a person who spent 15 days out in the game???? I am thinking I might provide this little bit of advice, sheesh get over it already, turn the page, calling reservation for 1 pity party are you in the house. Did you all see the map that was posted on EBAY? The river was 150 feet maybe from camp. It is true the girls did not do as much work, so what? BTW I am woman and hear me roar. Christy wanted more responsibility and some did not want to give it to her. Be careful of snakes????? No rattlers in the jungle, welcome the pit viper, bush master with no rattles so deaf or not nobody is going to hear it when it bites you in the butt. As for animals, yes they were out there and yes we saw them but when a party of females comes tromping through the wilderness I am guessing they scrammed because there were no close encounters except at night. Christy turned in at night because the women made no effort, while Jeanne was there, to talk to her. What else is she going to do. If Jeanne would have talked to Christy she would have known that Christy was still awake. Climbing trees? Really, do you think any of us could climb a tree? We all got leaves and i was the first one to try and seal the darn container of mantioc. Heidi, jenna, Shawna and I went to get the leaves. Heidi Jenna and Shawna collected the babacu nuts regularly. I practically chopped down the entire floor of the bed of the shelter myself. So to repeat i am woman hear me roar. Jeanne complained of food just like the rest of us, let the record reflect the reward challenge when jenna went to Dave???? Who got grumpy about the wine and cheese? If you are going to say something you must back it with tape because we at the sucks board have memories and tape. For those of age who had mommies, if you are not going to say something nice then don't say it all! Yes the game is over, i don't feel like a has been nor will i ever, i got to do something that many others only dream about and for that I fell truly blessed. If I screwed up then I screwed up. I can only be responsible for my actions not the actions of others. Ok to much negative ju ju enough on that interview. Icky

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(5/25/03 5:39:12 pm)
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Well i am off to spend some hard earned cashola....on power ranger stuff (no I will not tell you how much). I will be back at about 9:00 PST.
FTR (for the record) Heidi is really quite lovely in real person and I do not just mean her looks. More to come on Alex, the snuggle bunny and Matt. Both i like very much and hope to continue relationships with. I will be chatting with Jenna my favorite so far: Amazoniaprincess and twiggie, although she was sticks (taller) and Iluv peanut butter. You know I really like just about everybody, jeanne included. Some hold this game and the impact very personally and they feel bad because well you know, because, more on that later.
I would have tried OJ in Riverside because Riverside juries are the bomb! Who are you ChillOne????

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(5/25/03 11:20:58 pm)
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Crud took me along time to catch up....but here goes again. peanut butter and nakedness: Wellllllll Roger was a gonner, no question about it and we all had fun dinkin on him poor guy. I like Roger i will tell you all why, his daughter died ftom a sickness awhile back and it was when she was in high school. When he talked about her or what he did to get through her sickness and how he delt with the loss touched my heart and the hearts of those in camp. He really is human and I felt awful when he was booted. Go back to TC when he was kicked, when JP read his name he was picking up stuff. I was sitting next to him and he let out this great big breath, I will never forget it. What he was picking up was his socks. When he got to TC, he laid out all his socks by the fire to get dry becasue we were all wet. he had no idea he was going and then he gets called. He had to pick up all his socks. i felt like I was 2 inches tall. i will never forget it. Mean people suck, that was all i could think about on the way home.

PB and chocolate. So the girls stripped. Let me get to that but I need to get a drink first diet coke --oop another story there

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(5/25/03 11:34:04 pm)
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Ok. I come in with cough 34% cough body fat. No I am not proud of that but crap you all have made fun of me already so i have no secrets here. I am now at a healthy 26% and going lower everyday. The rest of the pretty people came in with like nothing. Yet even with my extra poundage all i could think of was food. My thoughts were consumed with food. Every second I thought about it. Now i have a fairly tough constitution and all I could think was I needed to trade my wedding band for a darned double double from in and out (West Coast thang) The toll the lack of food on your body cannot be described. Until you have experienced it you just cannot understand. Remember I have been behind the tv waves screeming at the whiners, and then i became one. We talked alot about food all the time, like what we would do while cooking and eating and wearing and eating etc..... So when the prospect of food came up for the challenge, you have to understand that the quicker the better. I mean that. I wanted to win that challenge so I did not give in. But it sucked way bad when everyone was getting food. You could smell it or you thought you could smell it.

We had no idea what would be offered. And I don't know if PB & Choc was on the menu, but that is not the point. Heidi and jenna got what they wanted and when they wanted it, plain and simple. Who knows if it ever would have been offered?? I don't. You all may think, oh just PB & Choc but for them it ment another day another moment of sanity. it was something to get you through and I understand it. Do I agree? I don't think that is relevant. I would never have done it not for a million bucks but it was not offered to me to get naked and Alex got nothing even when he offered to get naked. So who actually had the power out there. My thought is the girls. CBS did not need a ratings drop so they would have fed me to keep my clothes on!

To explain how much the food thing ment...we ate the maggoty, moldy mantioc just to have some food. There was not a whole lot of eating out there.

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(5/25/03 11:52:50 pm)
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MB, JP, and apps
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Yes i think MB is a genius. I think the challenges are unbelievable. It is very surreal to have him standing in fromt of you talking to you. I have been a MB fan from way back but because of ECO not Survivor. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He has an incredible crew working for him and w/o going into too much detail, they are all tops in their fields. This program cannot be duplicated and trust me i watch all the reality shows. That is in part because I need a break from my reality. But he has an amazing ability to formulate a thought and then make it happen. many say reality tv is just a fad, i think as long as the media wil take us to the front lines, reality tv will be here to stay. It is just another genre. MB can put the fear of God into some, but my goodness what a cutie with an accent.

B/4 I forget yes I will do charity work. Also those who absolutely think it is essential. You want an auto: send requests to Office of District Attorney, Deputy DA Deena Bennett, 4075 Main Street, Riverside, Ca 92501. Because of security reason, they will check the mail before sending it on but there has not been problems thus far.

Yes I have seen all the photos and they crack me up. I don't particularly care for the sex ones or anybody else engaging in sex but that is my own personal taste. Good bad or fat and ugly I yam who I yam.....

JP: Tough tough tough tough. I can't talk about TC, behind the scenes except this. There are no secrets no Hollywood magic. It is edited but everything else is as well. It is fair and accurately portrayed. Sometimes JP jumped down Heidi and Rob but both offered opportunities for JP and it was friggen funny. The great thing about TC is that you could not hide. The exchange was open and noooo time to be PC. He could hit those buttons, it was freaky because it was like he was in camp with us and he was not. Helen said exorcist, I never saw that. When it came to challenges and TC he is like a director, not in that he was telling us what to do or how to act but more in that he was making us play the game real and making us be ourselves, afterall the viewing public deserved to see it real.

Apps: I cannot go into it much. See Jeanne's statements for more in depth stuff, i can bet you legal read it. IMHO being a suckster is not a disadvantage. To MB loving Survivor and being obssessed with it is an advantage. He loves this show. I informed them I watched like a dawg but nothing about the boards. I think CBS is good i don't think they are all CIA and FBI and stuff.

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(5/26/03 12:12:03 am)
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Heidi v. Jenna
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The two were inseparable. Why was Heidi a greater threat? Because she was athletic. She has completed 6 marathons I think. Here is some more inside poopage....everyone and I mean everyone plays the poor me card. Lie about it, make it up, exaggerate it whatever it takes, because as much as you all may hate this, need is a definate factor. Jenna had the biggest need, no question. Why was Heidi a threat? Because Jenna was emotionally spent and Heidi was ok at this point. People think ahead can I beat Heidi or Jenna, Heidi was a threat because she also played it out, manipulated. I do not know if she was the mastermind behind all of this whole thing, but i can tell she worked it. But then so did Jenna.

Here is how they played.......Heidi never threw herself or her sex at anybody. She just cared or made it seem like she cared. She was this girl next door who is very attractive and she kind of weaved into your heart. jenna was just sexy all by herself, not making those same moves but still oh I don't know she is alluring, i told her that from the beginning. Jeanne is high, we never talked about sex at camp except to talk about the boys who we though were talking about who they wanted to date. But it got a little heated when the tribes became jacare. I was embarrassed at times ok most of the time. But the girls were playing and they were playing with the boys. Both heidi and jenna worked that well and good for them because it was highly more effective than being the aggressive A-female. But not alot you can do with the Deena personality.

PS excuse the punctuation and spelling no time to be perfect. BTW I love "Jennaconda" where r u Jenna?

WaterBaloons????? well because everything else was taken and by the time I got to other things to think of i did not really care anymore. My friend told me to take them so I did. My sons and I threw them around constantly in the pool so I had good memories with them. We tied them to the shelter and to BOB...our pet name for the evil immunity idol. Otherwise, completely worthless.

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trialdawg
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(5/26/03 12:24:54 am)
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TC production and legal
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Oh Milkshaky glad to see you are back. What specific things do you want to know? They were long, we chatted about this and that, fought over this and that, got yelled at and ridiculed over this and that, had disagreements with teammates over, you guessed it this and that. Was it long on time? Seemed like it but that is probably because those darned seats sucked the big one. There was nothing left in my rear end to provide comfort. And if you sat in the from you burned up because of the fire, if it had been raining that was ok because you were wet and then you dried and then you burned all the hairs off your legs.

Production and cameras -- totally off limits, you wouldn't want me to ruin the fun for you all when you get on. BTW I think size does not have a thing to do with whether you get on. Fat or skinny I think all is possible, it is personality. I have no idea why they chose me, none. OK i have an interesting job and I am hell on wheels, so what there are a million of me out there "Will the real slim shady please stand up"

I must leave you all briefly to buy Zach a train on EBAY and put his little 5 year old butt to bed. See you about 11....I have no life but I would be on here all day long if I could. Remind me to tell you about the challenges and then off days.....and Alex and Matt and the weather becasue your weather stuff was all wrong....mostly

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(5/26/03 1:14:46 am)
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tie the tie the tie
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My understanding and Rob should tell you all this......the tie was to be the rock thing. I guess it gets too complicated with prior votes because people then vote based on woulda coulda shoulda.....this is all a guess on my part because it never came up. We were all a very decisive group. I am not too concerned about phone calls. We have identification stuff, we are the government, we are sophisticated and they track...you got the juevos then gohead dare ya.

Alex is well Alex. Handsome, fun loving, Mr. Hollywood. He is in terrific shape no doubt. Alex was taken to task by Jiffsters at the reunion. Was Matt faking it? I say no, nope, no way, not a livin chance. Matt was ripped beyond measures when he came to the game, 7% body fat, if that. He wasted away to nada. Now the day he lost it....Roger got booted and we came back to camp. Alex said he and i saw it, I don't know about that, he was under the shelter with the girlies. i was to do fire watch with Matt by myself, which always scared the living crap out of me, going postal comes to mind. It started to rain. I told the guys under the shelter to get the gear under cover, but it appeared to me that everyone was asleep...apparently Alex was awake. Anyhooooo, matt came back into camp and collapsed on the forest floor in the middle of the dark and started going nutty. It wasn't as if he was screeming, he was mumbling to himself and crying out to me for water. he was literally frothing at the mouth. It was raining and he just was there in the dark moaning. Scared me to death. i boiled water for him as fast as I could and he drank it hot and everything. i moved him as close to the fire as I could get him and he just passed out from exhaustion and hunger and dehydration. his body started to turn against him and there was nothing he could do to prevent it. Matt is a normal person and great and fun loving in real life but he lost it and got freaky out there. This was not an act he was creepy. So he can say what he wants but i was there, people with more faculties than that have been put away for a 48 hour observation.
So Alex tried to offer a different side to that, kind of a come on man I was there do not try to BS the BSer... Matt got peeved baaad at commercial. I can understand why it seemed a little harsh from Alex but sometimes the truth hurts. I don't think matt wanted to be portrayed as the nutty guy especially when he worked so hard for the camp. I make no bones about it, matt heped us all survive. We ate better because of his efforts.
I don't know who started the fire, I think everyone thinks it was Butch when he put the last log on before the reward challenge.
Mary-Kate, not what is the question????

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(5/26/03 1:29:46 am)
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last response of the night
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So it is late and I must bid farewell i will be back tomorrow.....
3 days, we delt with time in increments of three days. Reward, immunity, dead day. The dead days were the worst w/o question. You had no idea how you were going to fill your day. nobody wanted to gather anything except Butch and you had very little energy to do it. That is why we are all so close, because we talked about everything for hours. The weather was completely unpredicatable. it would be 120 degrees plus and then 60 - 70 Well maybe only 70 plus. But the stinking rain. it would flood in a matter of minutes and the hand of God was in your ear when the thunder clapped...i think lightening struck a tree in Jaburu once but I don't know cause it happened all so fast. You were constantly wet and buggy and miserable. You saved everything you had for the challenges because as much as it sucked to be there you wanted to be there fighting and staying around. So adrenaline did kick in and then after it was all over you had to deal with the exhaustion and hunger all over again. that is what was amazing about Shawna, her competitive spirit. She was done mentally, but she still competed and she was great in the challenges. But for her i would not have gotten across the balance beam either.

The coke challenge was the lowest of the lows for me and for some others. We had not had sugar in an eternity and we got a small sample of coke...that is where the other coke went....it was just a half a sip but it was enough. It had to have 100 degrees plus and we had to light fires. Joanna was screaming at us getting us motivated and we were ahead. We could taste that coke well I could. When we lost I could not believe how morally defeated I was. i walked back to camp and I literally said Forget this I am a working professional and i do not need to endure this grief any longer! Of course I slapped myslef silly said this sucks and I turned the page. But we all were just at a low point in the game. heidi is addicted to coke, Shawna started to really get emotionally lost and I wanted to have a private screaming session (I did not). One of the low points in my life and how silly is that, but you just do not get how much the smallest of rewards means to us all out there. i was a mountain dew / sunkist drinker before this game. i now exclusively drink diet coke because it reminds me of how good that coke tasted. I think just about all of us requested coke as the first drink we wanted when we were off the island...except jeanne and her vodka.

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(5/26/03 2:08:58 am)
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Re: FROM DEENA TO THE SUCKSTERS W/LOVE
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Cool! I can go to my inbox and edit a message i feel like a real live suckster albeit baby. i am getting to everybody's mail. Eventually. At least I have Memorial Day to finish off questioning. I edited the number. But in reality, not so hard to find me, matter of public record and government access and all but I appreciate those who warned me. Sooooo I now am going to bed but keep them coming I will be back tomorrow. Should we tackle the minority thing, in terms of casting???? BTW I am a representative of the Mexican community -- Ramirez, maiden name.

Just a note to think about, especially for I Luv Penny who did a great job in profiling every episode...i do not think anybody was portrayed as the good guy, the Neleh this season. We all were a pain in the rear.

To the Godfather, did you like anybody?????

One of my favorite personalities non-winners: Hunter
My favorite winner: Rich, loved to hate him, man he created the no-rules of this game, I think Rob could have beaten him.
My favorite season: Besides Amazon, #1, brand new fresh. The only episode I have ever missed is the first one from #1 and thailand ones -- couldn't watch it for awhile for obvious reasons.

Peace to all and blessings and my prayers go out to those who are serving or who did serve. Please remember those who laid down their life to try to make this country a better place. Semper Fi!

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(5/26/03 10:45:08 pm)
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Okay if you are not going to play nice...yes I am talking to you Bart as well...then I am going to go home and not return.... That being said the new unofficial name of jenna Jennaconda! I am trying to get the jury members all together to post on Thursday or Friday. We would all be on one thread initially. But, you know our egos are a little fragile so can we try not to go on the offensive immediately out of the gate???? Please. We really are regular people with regular lives that happened to play an extraordinary game.
Holy moly, i caught MilkShaky's cold so i will only be on for a little while, but 4 pages of stuff is a lot to catch up on

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(5/26/03 10:54:56 pm)
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conspiracy
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I detest nothing else than jury tampering....I can also not tolerate rule breakers, people who want to change the rules to fit an outcome. All you Stacy believers out there, it just did not happen. Ever, not a chance. MB is a TV god and crap just works out to his benefit by chance. There was never any jury tampering. I am bound by a code of ethics, 24/7 (except of course in the game) I would rather get sent home than have violated the basic premise of the game. Did not happen. Can I be more clear than that!!!!! When the weather went bad on the perch challenge, the one I won, I blamed MB becasue I think he has a direct link to God. It friggen was windy, it rained, it poured, it got unbearably hot, then cold.....I kept looking for the Hollywood set but no tv magic here just good ole amazonian weather. Which by the way made your weather reports suck, it could be fine 20 feet from where you stood in the pouring rain.

TC was beautiful did I not state that???? i have no idea what I looked at when I voted, I never saw anything, escept beautiful lush landscape. It is just head movement nothing more. There is no conspiracy no MB help, no JP help, it was honest and it played out well.

Parchment paper is thick, no cheating there either. Everything was above board, and I know it may be difficult for some of you to accept but jenna won fair and square. To suggest otherwise would ruin the game for others in the future, for some of you who will be playing. So let us put that bad boy to rest, no conspiracy, no cheating, no influence, not ever!!!! Thank you very much, I live by my integrity and it remains intact.

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(5/26/03 11:15:10 pm)
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Especially for WillChill: I am in the middle of friggen nowhere and you want me to say gosh CBS, MB and JP I no longer want to play anymore. How silly is that??? I wanted my money, my moola, my dinero (yes i am mexican 1/2) and gosh no pay for no play. I still want to do ECO and ASS so I will be as nice as they want be to be....

Brian: I have no idea if he was at the re-union, met Helen seemed nice and very straightforward. You know who i really like was Mitchell and Tina. Saw them at the Empire State Building as well, they are really good people.Richard and Rudy are much taller than I expected. I introduced myself to Rudy and told him how much I respected him and his career, he then asked who I was....kind of funny dontcha think??? I told him and then he said oh yes the really strong won that I thought could win if you could have kept it quiet a little bit. Made me laugh really hard.

There is nothing like those parties. i am simple person with simple tastes from a simple town.....this party was Hollywood / NY magic. Reminded me of the bar scenes in "Queer as Folk", it was loud it was bright it was awesome and it made me take notice. Although no really beautiful naked men... darn. What a fantastic party. if you all have the chance sometime you all must go to one. Experience I would like to share with you via photos.

Speaking of hot men: Yup Dave Johson is the man. i must tell you about the time we got lost jogging before a TC talk about freakin some people out. Hopefully he will tell you that story. He is the boy next door, the marrying kind, honey forthright and smart to boot. Single single single....

Rob: When I said go the way of Janet i ment we all may have wanted to quit, mentally physically whatever! Rob was the saving grace. He is likeable, friendly and an all around good guy.So what that he stabbed me, it is the nature of the game.
I believe that Rob and I could have gone all the way, together had I maintained a course commiserate with his. But i could not because Alex was already weaving his little plot to oust me so I made a move w/o working on the backing (Butch and Matt) myself. Also i did undersetimate the influence of Alex on the girls. I am just not a touchy feely kind of a girl and they needed the bonding, the male companionship. They were really upset with Rob when he went, but you know that because you got to see what I saw, i just happen to know how much it hurt them, mentally.

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(5/26/03 11:42:12 pm)
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Matt and the feminazi: How many times must i repeat, that my whole world consists of men...think of it in terms of this, grew two boy parts in my belly kind of humorous if you think of it that way. Also I work in a male dominated industry....Most of my friends are men. So to put this to rest I do not hate them, the love of my life is my best friend and he happens to be a man. I perpetuated a theme and I had a lot of fun doing it.

I was offended by matt's arrogance And may the best man win. He said it three times during the course of a couple of TC's. If you are going to be arrogant try to be arrogant in your confessionals only. matt was blatant about it. Firts he thought it was going to be just the boys. And that is what he was referring to, ousting the girls. Somebody in some other thread long long ago said it was a figure of speech. it was not. he was reffering to the M/R/B alliance. He was Rogeresque in that respect. He was doing it in front of Heidi and Jenna. Did I really want to defend their honor at this point in time??? Not really, heidi said some silly things at TC and her and the jenna buddy buddy thing made me want to hurl at times, but I was angry over Matt thinking that jenna could have zero shot at this point in time. So Heidi goes, and he says it again!!!!! Kind of like see ya princess hasta it is going to just be us boys left. I'm thinking to myself you don't even watch this show you have no clue as to what might happen. So i attacked him and as I watched myself go after the male ego thing, i wanted to kick myslef. I said well there is the feminazi in action yet again.....So it brought back a favorite thread on the boards. (He said it in confessionals the third time but I did not know it.) Then at Final TC he does not even remember saying it, I did.

Still you think i could have thought of something better to ask him, like how many times did you watch this show prior to coming on or something a little less confrontational....lack of effort on my part made me look a little angry dontcha think??/ Oh well hindsight is always 20/20

Preparation: I have watched this show from the very beginning. I do not understand the question about jumping alliances. I had one that turned into a bigger one with J/H. Shawna jumped ship and I added Christy well she voted with me, then the boys came and we had an agreement not really an alliance. i had an alliance w/Rob. It is ok to monday morrnig QB me because I do all the time like what if i would have stuck w/Dave??? That is a big one for me...but the fact of the matter is i was out there and cannot explain everyhting that happened. But the game moved quickly and I had to move with it so that ment forming new or secret alliances. Because realistically, if i did not move with the game then I would have been a gonner my personality makes no room for errors.

Bart: leaders are easily picked off yes. I do not have a Butch personality or even a Christy personality. i am me and yes I roar on occasion. i make no excuses for that. You have no room to fake it out there which will bring me to my last and final response about Matt next time. You can fake nothing. You are stripped of everything you have and you get to see the worst of the worst. It is why lying and crying come so easily. You cannot be somebody else out there becasue you have no energy to do so. I, like everybody else, was forced to work withing the confines of my God given personality. if you hate me fine, but trust me, if you ever happen to be a victim, you will be one happy mother when you see that i am your DA.

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(5/27/03 12:13:48 am)
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meat challenge: Most disgusting thing I had to do out there, almost lost it a couple of times.

QAF: does one have to be a particular orientation to enjoy naked dancing men????

Career opportunities: I will always be a DA until, God willing, I get the opportunity to be a judge which is what I have wanted since the fourth grade. As a result of this, Riverside has asked me to do a number of charitable events, all for children or domestic violence victims. If I could do one thing in Hollywood---guest appearance on CSI my favorite non Survivor/AI show. BTW all fake we cannot really do all that stuff. It takes me 6 months to get DNA results.

Matt/Jenna vote: I shall not go into this again becasue it is exhausting and unless you all were out there with me it is difficult to explain. Matt is a great guy and I got to know him well out there...his loves his diappointments, his desires for career stuff, and childhood memories. Nothing was ever sacred out in the jungle. So I hate to be negative towars someone especially since it is all over and gosh how would you feel if you got one vote to the 6 for jennaconda?

How about this: You all who have a zillion posts and who know how to post appropriately and read e-mail (unlike me) are students of the game. You love this game, you love to hate this game.....you finally get your big shot and you go play the game. Then somebody comes along who says gosh I know nothing about this game but I would like to play, gets chosen whether it be for looks or strength or whatever he gets a spot, the spot that a suckster deserves to have. because realistically in a chess tournament you want people who know how to play chess to be in the tournament. These are not exact parallels but you get the point (my typing sucks especially when i sneeze so please deal w/it)

matt studies for fun, swedish on the weekends. he lived in China and pursued cannibals in the jungle of __________(insert name her) He is an incredibly bright, fun and warm person. But not a student of the game. He worked for this tribe. i ate better because of this man who was not selfish in one little bit. i wanted to eat his cookies with Rob BTW a moment they did not capture and one I am none to proud of. i would not have done it though. If you asked him to do something he did it no questions asked. bWait should i change my vote????? No, I do not regret it not one little bit. Matt was strung along, he was played. Rob did most of the playing. He would say something to Matt and then Matt would repeat it in confessionals. When I got booted he stated in his confessional that i was going after him. Please he did not know who was on first. matt admitted he did not know how to play the game. jenna was lazy, not always intentional, but did very little work. But jenna was a student of the game. She understood how this whole thing worked.

i respectfully disagree with helen, this is still about surviving. How well did jenna play this game??? She got others to do her work for her. I did not reward jenna for being a girl or an early alliance i rewarded her because she never gave up even when matt thought a man was going to win. Kudos to her for picking Matt because she knew she could beat him.

Crazy mateo: Do I think it was an act, no. Everyone else thought he was creepy to so are we all mean vindictative snot heads and you matt supporters all right...HMMMM I don't thinks so. i ws there i cannot explain it. dead snake eyes. Long pauses with no conversation and little interaction with the rest of us, intermittant statements that ment nothing. You cannot fake something, cannot be something you are not when you are stripped of every earthy pleasure and you are doing your best just to survive.

That is not who matt is not now not ever, just in the game, because his body was turning on him and it was hard to stay mentally focused. You saved everything you had for the challenges and the rest you kind of just wasted along. Matt is a person that is open and forthright and as I stated before a genuinely nice guy. great for the world, not a player of the game. The votes went to the player, at least mine, who played this game better. Mind you i did not say the best because that would have been Rob.

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My time here this evening is growing to an end. I am a little ok a lot under the weather so excuse my bluntness -- little testy at times. There are things that no matter what I say I will never change your mind on. It is a game and fortunately for me it does not define who I am or who I want to be. What an incredible ride. The game is a freak show at times and yes we all stink but it does not matter becuse we grew to accept it and ignore it.

I hope that all my other surivormates feel the way I do, that it is a game and nothing more, but I am afraid that some do not. People often ask me was it fun...not so much. At night, I had to hang on for dear life when I stood or moved because my vision would fade to black, I would get dizzy and I would fight passing out. I now understand why Michael fell in the fire. It almost happened to me. I know others had it worse off than I did. I came in with (ok look it up yourselves) a lot of body fat and look at the effect it had on me. How can you compare this to BB, they get PB all the stinking time. We had Babacu worms. I was w/o my family for a long time and I had no contact till I got home. My biggest disappointment? When I needed to last 6 more days to get my husband to the location. Another question I get is how did this change my life? The short answer is it did not. I have a greater appreciation for those who do not have, those who can never volunteer for starvation, instead they have it thrust upon them. I have a greater appreciation for those who do not see their families for months because they believe in something called honor and the need to defend their country when the President calls upon them. But mostly, I have a greater appreciation for my husband who supported me, who loves me, and who lets me entertain these notions of needing adventure.

So good night dear sucksters. I respect and value your opinion always, although I may not always agree. But that is why we have forums like this to share personal insight, to disagree vehemently over any one of a number of inconceivable positions, and do it openly in this country that still believes in free speech. On this Memorial Day, I remember and pay homage to those who fought and died for those freedoms. Deena Bennett

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Good news for all you sucktards out there. In a date to be determined....probably Friday or Saturday, At least two others will be posting. Yes, Rob is coming to the boards, even though he already has, you just don't know it. He has posted but now he will officialy be coming as himself. Jennaconda will be making an appearance as well.

Just a word of advice...Be nice.

Finally: Ideas for names for Robaru??? He is reading so be creative.

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Objection sustained. You are absolutely right. I ment to post this in the other thread but silly me I barely know what I am doing so I created whole new thread. As for Stacey believers, I do not know if it happened or did not happen in her Season. But to carry the conspiracy theories over to the Amazon will not hold. I was there and it did not happen. Interesting note, I did not think I would ever be chosen because of the Stacey thing. Female attorney and all.....

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Last post b/4 going back to court........ To Devinmom: Fares Sawaya, now there is a name I have not heard in a gazillion years. You must send me an e-mail. Others will tell you how to do it, it is up at the top or you click on my name or something.

Granola gate: jeanne on the show and at the reuinion swears she saw it fall from janet's bag. She said it at the reunion. While at camp she told me repeatedly that she saw it fall from one of the bags in her hand....the other was mine. Yes she moved all the bags to get to the bear which was strange because it was on top in the box. I arrived at the location right after jeanne got there so I did not see the fall but I saw her doing everything else. He speeches afterwards made me think of on thing, "Me thinks the doth protest to much Brutus."

Temper: I never had one, I did not yell, ever. I can be abrasive as it is without yelling. I am quick and to the point and I never would raise my voice. I think she called me a hot head. Again there was nothing to suggest that I ever lost it. Perhaps she was referring to when I challenged her when she accused me of bagging on her at camp...of course I was bagging on Christy to Christy's face. Maybe she did not like me expressing my opinion, well too bad so sad.

I speak little Spanish but understand it fairly well. I did I triathlon just before I left. The more fat you have the better you float.

Death penalty for child molesters: In certain circumstanes and on rare occasion only. During the course of my career and of the hundreds if not thousands of child molestation cases I have handled, I can think of only one that was deserving --- rape of a four year old, she had a full hysterectomy just after she almost bled to death and other major medical and mental problems.

Matt's recent interview: Full of hooey -- but Rob will go into more depth on that subject. Here he is this honest and forthright guy, well he has been stretching the truth just a little bit. Maybe he feels the need to defend his honor and the 6-1 loss.

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Libations! On occasion I have been known to engage in a drink or two @ the Lodge..... Well all you sucktards out there we have just been graced by ......ooop won't go there. It is a surprise. But I can tell you that the list of Jurrors is growing and that the big grand prize winer will be there. Saturday sometime, I will let you know. Clear your calendars.

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I'm back. I wanted to let you know that we will be posting, at least a few of us. The plan is for tomorrow morning (PST). So far, we have the potential following members: Dave, Rob, Jenna, Heidi, Roger, and myself. I told them you would want to hear from them and that this would be a good forum for feed-back and thoughts from individual members, but that it would be all done in good sport (otherwise we could go to the sucks board for all the nasty crap). This took a lot of willingness on their part so have fun.

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I am only on page 30 but there seems to be quite a bit of mixed emotions out there on the whole Matt thing. I indicated that I was done explaining my vote and I am. But there seems to be some confusion amongst some of you and perceived my explaining my state of mind with Matt bashing. Couldn't be further from the truth. I respect you all for telling me how you feel, because certainly I cannot disagree or take issue with your own opinions, please give me the same respect.

I shared a good portion of my time out in the bush w/Matt. I consider him to be my friend. I personally think that he is the smartest of our entire gorup. He did things willingly and shared all that he had. When he was about to get boted from jaburu, I saved him because I got the value of his hard work, I do not believe he would disagree nor would any of the others that voted out Shawna that day. When he collapsed from exhaustion and dehydration, I was the only one that came to his aid. I boiled the water for him that he desperately needed and gave it to him to drink. I assisted him with the canteen. When he did not have the energy to get back to the fire and was mumbling something I could not understand, I helped him get his cover to keep dry from the rain. He was rewarded for this hard work, for his ethics, for his "strategy" by coming in second and winning more money than all of us with the exception of Jenna.

I take issue with things in his interview and I respectfully disagree with some people that thought he should have won. This a game my fellow sucktards and nothing more. I have shared a life experience with 15 other people, an experience that i will never forget. However, just like each and every one of you I am entitled to an opinion, and that is all that it is. I am not passing judgment on somebody and certainly not Matt, because without question he was the hardest working person out there. I just did not think he deserved to win. But by keeping him in the game when I did, I certainly was his supporter, and I always will be.

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Ok back to better things.......

Antithesis: There is without question time to talk about certain things and times not to talk about certain things when you are in the game. Sorry this has to be cryptic. But, let me say this, you are up for a majority of the 24 hour period and eventaully you talk about everything. My favorite topic with Rob at fire watch: Survivor and jumping the Shark.

Fat Pig: Jenna swears she called Dave a fat pig....I know it was me. But truth is an absolute defense. Compared to everyone on the girl side I was certainly hefty. She was a little snotty when i got back to camp. But wouldn't you be???? I was fresh and ate ice cream and chocklate and I did not have to get naked for the food...the bath is another story. So she was a little miffed, but no more so than i when she got to go with Dave.

Life lessons for me: MB often suggest that Survivor changes your life. For me this is not true and I do not want it to be true. But Survivor has taught me to be humble because not everybody on the face of the planet will like me, certainly I think on the sucks boards there were more Deena haters than likers. You have to be able to laugh at yourself and for me accept the fact that all your friends are laughing their butts off at the really stupid things you say (who can forget the infamous and "we can pee in front of each other"). I learned that I was not nearly as strong in my faith as I thought I was. I am a Christian and proud of it. I came back from the Amazon drinking, swearing and really liking Eminem. I did none of those things in 6 years. So I had to regroup a bit and refocus. Still having problems not listening to Eminem and Nelly and Avril and ....... I am not nearly as infallible as I thought I was. As I stated earlier, I have a greater respect for those who have not, those who do without, and my husband who is the absolute love of my life. Tomorrow it will be 6 years for us and the alarming trend of divorces and attorneys makes us hold on to our hats. Finally, i learned from my experience that at the point I said I do, and at the point I was given my boys to hold...it no longer was about me.

So enough about me already........

Final Qestion at TC: Butch took what I was going to ask, I sounded stupid, I was angry because I was still there in the Amazon, i was miffed because I wanted to vote for Rob, I was thinking about the final party after TC. Yes it was lame, i am a trial atty really, I have explained all this before, what more do you want from me? It was a little longer than shown but still nothing intelligent came out of my mouth....turning the page now.

Twigs = Heidi
Sticks = Jenna

Granola Gate: I saw what Janet said about Christy. Christy never thought the granola bar was a big deal. But Christy hated when we would go into our food fantasies, which was all the time. To her the hunger issue really was not the same...so me thinks that if it did not bug her then she would not be so consumed with bringing food in. Besides I asked her and she said no way. I trust her and would with all that I have.

Editing: My biggest disappointment in editing: not showing some of the great political discussions or any discussions of that matter with Christy. I have a greater appreciation for the deaf community than I ever will and will strive to become more aware of their issues and their needs. All because of Christy.

Mechanical Rabbit: My strategy at final TC: get the heck back to LL and drink and listen to Nelly and be that much close to going home.

Future Strategy: Throw some immunity challenges if you have to, try not to leave camp very much, allign yourself with a big group and do not pull an arrogant Deena/Roger.

Finally: Thanks to all who have made the time, expressed your opions and enjoyed this show from near and afar. My favorite vacation spot of all time: Australia, the place is beautiful and the accent rocks!

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kinghouseplants: funniest darned thing every time I see it.

You all could never scare me away....had a pesky little vehicular homicide case and a torture of a three year old case to prep. And yes I would spend all of my free little minutes to waste here on the boards. Because I am into the whole free exchange of ideas, the verbal banter..... Some of you have asked how I can get over what I do, by watching reality tv, I love to love people and hate them....exactly what you all do.

I forget sometimes that the 5% that I prosecute are not norms of society. That is why I like reality TV, because there are normal people that F up every once in awhile, and then there are those who are the most unlikely of people that become winners.

I hate to admit it but on occasion the game is a bit like high school at times....still I respect the fact that I met 15 people who are not like me, who do not dress like me, and thank goodness, who do not look like me.

I hope to goodness there is a S12 and for heaven's sake when is friends going off the air already?

OK I am leaving again till this evening for more info on S6 fest.

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to be continued on another thread, et al, now that Jenna, Heidi, Dave, Roger, and maybe Rob are also posting.

All you Stacy believers out there, it just did not happen. Ever, not a chance. MB is a TV god and crap just works out to his benefit by chance. There was never any jury tampering. I am bound by a code of ethics, 24/7 (except of course in the game) I would rather get sent home than have violated the basic premise of the game. Did not happen. Can I be more clear than that!!!!

My question is "How can she say this so definitively?" Was she THERE at S1?

And, after the Stilman accusations, MB changed the way he both described the game and some of what went on with the game.

Thanks, Deena, but it's your opinion, just as everyone else has theirs...

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Still no "update" I too had some doubts as to whether it was Deena or not, mainly because of all the typos also How hard is it to spell "meant" rather than "ment" which she did more than once. But erikman is right Wezzie did get an email from her and mind you, Wezzie emailed her PRIOR to her posting so she knew it was really her. The only problem I have about the "damage control" b/c of the lack of happiness over Jenna is why this season? Brian was hated and there was no damage control over that. My only two theories on that would be 1. They couldn't find any Survivor to post anything positive about hime and 2. The porn star used car salesman persona with the devil look fits perfectly with his less than positive embrace by the audience while Jenna, Ms. Amazon beauty queen, all young and learning can be "built" into something a little better.

LAST EDITED ON 06-04-03 AT 11:15 AM (EST)

Brian may have been a little too slick, but fit perfectly into the Hatch mold of manipulative, yet hardworking. Jenna came across as the popular sorority girl that everyone hates yets wants to be her friend.

I have read the posts and believe it is really her.

Thanks Dabo, for posting these.(I can't access sucks myself, so I'm glad for a chance to read them)

As for whether or not it's actually Deena, I think it sounds pretty good.

Typos & misspellings don't bother me -- she probably doesn't do her own typing on a day to day basis...and I know some fiercely intelligent people that can barely spell 'cat'. Oh, and as for the same typo showing up multiple times (like maen, or whatever that was) that's actually really common. Take it from a secretary.

To me it does sound like the Deena we saw on TV. (particularly when she would ask a question & answer it -- 'Did I..., Absolutely' -- etc.) Also, because of the sheer volume, this would be a pretty monumental task in fakery. And, even though her trial record could probably be researched in the public records, there was a fair amount of detail here that I can't see someone researching just to post on sucks.

Interesting. Now let's get them over here to Blows!

Thank you, Dabo, for putting all of her posts together. I was growing tired of shifting through the riff raff.

This is absolutely Deena. I totally agree. And why would anyone want to pretend to be Deena? Maybe I'm too trusting, but why all the questions? This is wonderful for her to post so open like this. I wish more of the survivors would feed our curiosity! But of course, if we all wonder if it's really them, why would they even bother to post?

Dabo, thanks for filtering this for us. There is a lot of junk and a lot of posts that ask the same questions over and over. Thanks for putting all the pertinent info here. Please keep it up.

One problem I have. Earlier, she stated that she got clearance from CBS legal to post on boards and that it was hard to get CBS legal to allow her to post on the boards. Now she is talking about having Rob, Jenna, and others post? I can't see CBS allowing everyone to post if they don't allow it. Just a hmmmm thought.

Jenna is now posting as jennaconda, Heidi is now posting as Amazontwigs. Supposedly.

roger also posted he was funny as hell, he was old bossy one

Roger, the bossy one.
Dave, BD Chones.
Rob, Robfather Part II.

The Matthew interview referenced in one of the trialdawg posts is here, at RealityTVTalk:

http://www.realitytvtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7555

They are all definitely them. Dave, Roger, Rob, Heidi, Jenna and Deena. Roger is definitely in Matt's corner and there is definitely a rowr rowr between Rob and Roger. I like Roger's posts, he isn't beating around any bushes on his opinions for sure.

Jenna's thread
http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3368.topic

Heidi's thread
http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3367.topic

Rob's thread
http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3361.topic

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I'm going to continue preserving Amazon contestant posts from Sucks here, but now that there are so many posting, on so many threads, I'm going to try a different organization.

trialdawg (Deena)
Amazontwigs (Heidi)
jennaconda (Jenna)
the bossy one (Roger)
BD Chones (Dave) *note: in order to do a useful search at Sucks on BD Chones an extra space has to be added at the end.
Robfather Part II (Rob)

I am going to try to concentrate on posts I think have some pertinence, such as how the game is played and thought of by the players. I may be liberal in this (for instance I feel Dave's explanation of his Sucks ID may go somewhat to revealing a casting criteria, though I can't know that for certain, but I will be including it anyway).

Mark 1 is Deena's initial thread, from which most of the above posts were noted. It is now up to 42 pages.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3316.topic

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Deena, thanks for all yoru time. I am a big fan and were very impressed on how you played the game and addressed these questions recently.

I realize that under your profession you may not dive into tasty libations frequently. But, if you were feelin a little froggy, what alcoholic beverage would you mix?

I heard something called a "Chones Comestivel" is a famous Brazilian drink. Have you ever had one?

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Hey there! This is Heidi. I wanted to post tonight because prior obligations may get in the way of me being able to post tomorrow with Deena and the gang. Yes, I promise this is me! Ask questions if you will. I just wanted to let you know that i appreciate every fan or kind word of encouragement that has been thrown my way! i want to get to your questions, so i figured i would spend some time on them tonight and then post again and answer some more.

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Hey there! ya sure i don't mind! lets see i was born in Maryland because my dad worked for the Navy. Navybrat! ha! i have 2 sister and another who is a step sister. My school just got out on Tuesday. Yeah! Free at last! Ask me something else that can prove it. i understand completely.... or do you want me to start speeeling things wrong for you? Ha!

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I assure you that i am Heidi. We're not allowed to talk about things off camera or at loser lodge... but oh the stories i could tell! too funny! on the question about Rob.. i wasn't mad about Alex ... i would have done the same thing with that info., but he didn't have to screw over Jenna and i in the process.... you would be surprised to see what kind of plans i would have gone along with.

Hey thanks for all the props! Really appreciated!

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Hey jeff that was not meant to be kinky! too funny! i just meant that Rob thought you couldn't split Jenna and i, but we assured him that we would split in the final 3.... but he didn't trust us! nor would i! but we actually were telling the truth.

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Thanks Griffe! Very Nice of you! i was always smiling though! i did take the game seriously... Very seriously but always with a smile. i wish that the show actually showed people for who they really are... but like Jeff would say... no one wants to watch you run around being nice to everyone.,

Oh yeah... i did over hear Alex tell his plan... i even noted on that in an online interview... that why i convinced Alex to stay in the game and take out Jenna and i if he had to... he was going to tell Rob that he changed his mind the night he was voted off.

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Mark 2 is trialdawg's conspiracy thread, from which two of the previously noted posts were drawn.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3333.topic

It is on its second page with no additional posts of interest here.

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Mark 3 is the Heidi response thread started by Liar, which is now to its 16th page.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3367.topic

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Hey there! i wish i knew who brought it (the granola bar) .. but i do know it was not Janet.... she is one of the best people i've ever met! Way too good hearted to do something like that.

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Just for the record Gene was a joke... i so wish they would have showed why i put here name down like that.... i was just being a total smart ass! it really was pretty funny! Dave and i laughed a lot over that one! That's the side you miss out on by watching the tv and not knowing the people... everyone there is really funny!

No i didn't know about the poison meatball... doesn't surprise me.

The Matt show is one of Rob's great inventions that you can ask Rob about tomorrow to prove that this is me. It's the funniest thing ever!

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That's so nice of you to say! For some reason i was a lot of gay peoples favs. That rocks! Also for some reason i was firemens and police officers favs. Don't know the connection there but it's really funny!

I keep in contact with Alex, Dave, Deena, Shawna, Butch, Matt, Rob, and Jenna i would with Christy... but it is more difficult for me to get to my computer as much as some of the others seem to.

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Matt show: I was Pam @#%$, J. was Mariah Carrey(sp?) Alex was Dave and Rob was Matt. It was a talk show that we would have for a good laugh... anything that would keep us from being bored. it was sooo much fun!

Christy and i would be great friends in real life but not in Survivor. There wasn't enough time to gain her trust. She rocks! Very determined... which is what i admire in people.

Milkshaky must be a student of mine.? But i don't have boys P.E. so it wouldn't be a male student.

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It's not that i trusted Rob, it's that i just enjoyed having him around... there were some people there that just made everyday worth it and he was one of them. Matt: didn't know how to play the game so he hung on to every word Rob was feeding him... i tried to sway him... but he wouldn't nudge.

Parasites: I get to stop taking my meds. in a week if everything is good to go! I'm so excited!

I think i am talking enough strategy for you all to know this is me.
My parents divorced at the age of 12., so i take relationships very seriously. I've never done drugs or smoked, i drink on special occasions... but very rarely. I am a serious athlete. I played softball, basketball, track, and cross country. it wasn't until college that i got interested in marathons. My best time is a 3 hr. 35 min. i got hit by a car when i was 21 and the guy got away! i moved myself to Hawaii when i was 18 with no place to stay.... what more....

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Ok Jenna giving the immunity... took lots of thought. Jenna wanted Rob miserable... which was why she wanted me to stay ... because Rob convinced himself that i was the only person who could beat him... so having me there longer made it hell for him. Really funny! but when the deal was made to take out Christy, we didn't trust him so J. offered the immunity necklace.. which wasn't easy for me to take! we both would have sacraficed ourselves for each other over a million dollars any day. i think that is largely overlooked!

Editing: i only revealed who i really was to Jenna, Dave, sometimes Rob and Alex. so i had to hide my personality a lot from a lot of people. so the show most of the time isn't getting the "real" Heidi because i knew that info would be used against me and sometimes it was!

Yes, there is a time when Roger and i get into it. I knew that after Jeanne that their target would be Christy then me. So i knew i had to tick Roger off to get Dave on my side and vote off Roger! i told him something that i knew whould tick him off and sure enough Dave came to me and said he wanted Roger gone. Wish that storyline would have gone!

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The cute pretty girl thing.... way over done! Jeanne was really nasty to me a lot of the time! It's like she threw the first punch and then they put on the tv me punching back. It was really hurtful... and in NO WAY is how i feel about America or people as a whole! My best friends are in no way in shape etc... they are amazing people on the inside! i also would like to say that i have NEVER used my looks to get anywhere in life! I only thought it would be a good strategy because that's all the guys seemed to care about! it was so strange to me! i really wish you all knew me... you would laugh so hard seeing me use my looks to get somewhere... it's so uncomfortable for me to even try to act like that personl... and besides i think i'm average at best! i think on our cast Janet, Joanna, Jenna, Deena and Shawna really had it going on =beautiful people! inside and out

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I don't know if i would have done anything differently. i reacted on a gut feeling in most cases.... and usually i was right. i would have tried harder with Matt ( which i really admire and like in real life... he is so funny and so nice!) i would have ratted out Rob when i knew what was going on.... but it was so hard to get away with stuff like that ... i could have been betting the whole game on it... i never knew if it was a safe move?

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Sorry.. yes Christy is very beautiful as well.

Morning Show topic.... the callers were not screened... everyone in production was very upset about that! But i think i held my own and i am always a very good listener and then evaluate the situation and then speak after i have thought about it... but it's hard in interviews.... if there's anything you guys would like for me touch on in interviews let me know!

About running back and telling Christy she was going to be voted off...........you have to know Christy..... she doesnt get the whole concept of Survivor.... so if i were to tell her what was happening.... she would run back to Rob and tell him she was sorry and voted with him!

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After Jeanne, no i would not have been voted off. Getting rid of her was very smart on my part, despite what some may think. She would have turned on me in a heartbeat.

Travel= i love it! My 16 year old sis wants to be a vet. so i am taking her to Australia to see the wildlife. i can't wait!

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Mom=she was my #1 pic. ... it was my birthday out there... and not to hear her voice almost killed me!

I had no clue that Rob was jealous

Overall strat.: I had NO intention on going on the looks thing... that was so stupid and weird that the guys couldn't get past that. Rob also used that as strategy! i was going to hide my greatest attributes/assests....no not my boobs...i'll go ahead and make the joke for all of you. ha! but i was going to play a card only when the game wasn't going in the direction i wanted it to go. Like when i saw Alex going... i had to play a big card then... i tried to lay low and make it look like i didn't have a strat. , but Jenna and i were playing since Day ONe! That's all we ever talked about!

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Last Question: then i will go to bed. sorry ,,, i will post here when i get home tomorrow... but i can't with the rest of the gang.

When i asked my question i knew j. wouldn't answer me, because she didn't have to .... her vote with me was in the bag.... but Deena and Rob's were not! So i was trying to help her out... because if she mentioned them as being more deserving then she might get their votes! I was not asking that question to hear my name in any way, shape , or form.... for me the game was still on through J.

Thank you all for being sooo nice, i was worried, but i hope to clear more things up when i can

Sleep well!

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Hey there everyone... i'm back to post... although Jenna and i are setting up a post together sometime tonight or tomorrow.
We'll let you know!

I'll try to answer as many questions as i can of the ones that i have been reading. so here it goes. Once again, thank you for wanting to know the "real me" tv can often lead us to false assumptions about people... but once again thank you!

Ashley Neeleh: Yes i think reality tv will die out eventually. just like all good things... they must come to an end. But i am assured there will be a channel devoted to reality tv. Survivor contestants are picked based on many interviews... they are picked because they go against the norm and because they are not quiters.... so you have a really dynamic bunch! Fav. was the Liz. and Roger duo... i loved how they fed off each other and stuck together!

Haileys comment Thanks for the props! ok on the Exorcist thing... he never acted that way with our group... i dont know.... he definetly got mad when things weren't going right and all of these people have to be in control (CBS) but other than that he just wanted things to run smoothly... and when they didn't.... YIkes! but everyone is stressed, so i never thought anything about it!

im DAWNIE thanks so much! it's never easy going against the norm opinion. it just shows that you know who you are and what you stand for. Nothing was going on between j. and christy. I just think they are soo different that they can't see eye to eye on many views... they are both amazing people though. They choose to agree on dis agreeing. Jeanne must be very unhappy in life. I don't choose to go there... to stoop to the level that she has bashing everyone... she doesn't choose to see the beauty in life and people.. i pray for her a lot! And yes J. won because she played the game well... despite the fact if she has a nice butt or not.... this just proves what i was saying before! Jeanne was the main person who had a problem with our looks.... she couldn't get passed them! i was shocked... so i said ok.. you want to make this about looks.. then i'll make this about looks.... and i was also very stressed and hungry and would never react like that in normal circumstances. Watching the show: i cried and laughed a lot! it is amazing watching how one of your best friendships was formed! A documented start of a friendship... she is the reason that i loved Survivor! Period.

darylc20 i never in a million years thought they would edit me the way they did! i was very niave! even in casting i was told i was too nice to play this game! and yes you are right it is just a game that i took seriously... if more of you knew my "real life" you would know why. You also have to understand that anyone of us could be followed with a camera and get taped every second then .... lets say somone yelled at you are made you mad... but then we went to edit this tape..... and the tape only showed you yelling.... NOT why you were yelling! it was VERY hard for me to get used to the editing! But now it is over and this beautiful thing we call life keeps going!!!!

Yenvoys2001Yes, i also laughed soooo hard at the rock and hard stone comment... you have to understand that i am doing goofy stuff like that alll of the time! i love being fun like that! My partner was either going to be another teacher or my 70 year old grandpa... he is so in shape! and i love spending time with him... we camp and hike a lot together. Australia... i'm taking my little sis soon.

kitblueWow... ok this is hard to explain because i don't want to hurt anyone by saying this or step on anyone's toes here.....I wanted a letter from home just like the rest of us! When the first letter was up for sale J. didn't have enough money to outbid Christy.. so it didn't matter that i was outbidding her. But then Christy started crying and i couldn't do it... i just let the letter go even though i had more money to spend... plus Christy would have stopped at nothing...she had her full $500 to spend , but i thought she might give in... but after awhile in the bidding process i knew she wouldn't. *** To clear up why i HAD to bid against J. is because Jeff told all of us after no one bid against me on the cheesecake... that if that happended again then he would close it down... so if i didn't bid against her .... then she wouldn't have gotten her letter anyway. i had a lot more money than her to outbid her.... so i was hoping that some people would catch on. I also want to clear up the Christy family thing. Jenna and i were the only ones who enjoyed and wanted to talk about our families. That is the main reason we are so close... both of us know what it has been like to take care of our mothers and other people... so we bonded very quickly! Christy made it very clear that she wanted no part of her family.... so when she started bidding for the letter... i was in shock.... i had no clue that she even cared about them! if i had known i would never have tried to outbid her.

DrEmphy it always takes awhile to get used to something different. it is a little strange when people start following you everywhere just to get a story. and thanks for the offer... very cute!

mOtO maj1 Thanks for the props! i really really tried to play the game with no strings attached.

sorevivor13I am not mad at Jeanne, she is just very hurtful. i don't get mad to often. I hope Jeanne wakes up soon to realize that there is only one shot at life so why not enjoy it! she carries too much hate.

willchilli am sorry to say that i wasn't a die hard survivor fan... i just graduated college and was taking 24 hours a semster plus a part time job plus sports... so you could say that i had NO time to be a fan! Before going into Survivor 6 i had seen about 6 or 7 episodes. 3 or 4 from the first one and 3 from #5. i visited this website when some of my teacher friends told me about it when Milkshaky found me out..... then one of my sisters kept me updated on how the public reacted over the internet.... i was always really busy and have a hard time finding time to get on here.

I was hoping that Rob wouldn't do it. And i never thought i was secure in the final 4... it's just that i knew i wasn't going home that night.... and no Alex had no clue. When J. and i painted our faces... we didn't know that we had to go to T.C. when we did... we were going to paint everyones faces... but we ran out of time.. it was funny that it got made into a big deal.

Punky for the record we were not the only ones who offered! jeff just let us two. and he said to make him an offer to ensure that you will get food! i knew i could not beat Deena, Matt, or Dave so i was making sure that i did get food. Jeff told us that not everyone would get the rewards.... that's all that was said.

Robfather Part II Very flattering. you would be amazed with my past dating history. i never wanted to date anyone popular because they were always too into themselves... and i love guys that have a great sense of humor.,.. Rob is more my type than any of the guys out there. but for right now i do have a boyfriend.

Peare I would totaly agree with you! I only got them because i went from a size c to a when i started working out really hard and running marathons. i wanted them back at a c. and so i had them done. in my day to day life you can never tell by what i wear.... i just did it for me... to feel like the way i used to more womanly. i go against all norms. i would never do anything to my body for someone else.. i am the one who has to live with myself.... so i run, and i teach kids, and i teach about any other sport off of school hours, i take every free second i have and spend it with my family.. my littlest sis. is the love of my life ... i would give everything i have to ensure that she makes it far in life.... and the work i do outside of school is always spent with those less fortunate.... why out of all the schools i could have worked at did i pick a school that is 10% below the poverty rate? They need people who love them more than anyone else..... so if i get a boob job... it make me no less wholesome. The person inside is what counts... and that person has not changed.

chicaguapa I have to say in Rob's defense that he used liking me so much as a strategy! The best way that he could relate to the males is by fixating himself on a female.. even though rob likes me... he did not like me as much as he put out there.(Just based on looks) in the end... no matter what i would have done... i would have been booted! it was 2 against 3! i was just mad.... in real life i am nothing like that. i work my butt off... however, i do have food to fuel this. That is what many don't understand... is that when i would go get the firewood.. i was soooo week that i could haul one load back and could barely move for another hour. try weighing 89 pounds with so much poison in your body that you can't feel your legs and throwing up everytime you try to eat.... then go work..... see how long you make it.... i figured i was doing really well by just not complaining. i would rather shut up and sit there than get up, pass out, and make a big deal out of it. I have had hair extensions... my hair is just as long as they were.. but i needed some more thickness for out cheerleading nationals.... where all the girls have to look alike... its on ESPN sometimes. anyways just getting out of college i still had them in when appling.. so that is the image CBS wanted.... it really stunk... i was doing it just to have fun... not as a perm. thing! i couldn't wait to get them out!
I am always stumped on the question about which male is more attractive. Because they are all so unique and i care about all of them so much for different reasons. They all appeal to me in so many different lights. However i never met Dan or Ryan and of course Butch and Roger have to be excluded from the list. Butch i would have loved to pair up with though on the show! i thought we would have made such a great team!

Milkshaky i would love to know who you are! Some of the girls would tell me, but i never believe hearsay. So i may know who you are , but you have never revealed yourself to me. i'm sure i know who you are in real life but not by the name of milkshaky. The kids i have in class keep me updated on a lot that goes on here. so you convinced a lot of them that i was gone in ep. 11. i never told anyone when i was kicked off! so it was fun to hear when people thought i was going to go! no Mark doesn't give us a $500 bonus. You must have great connections to confirm that i was on the show! Good Work! In real life Jeff is a great person! Probably the only CBS person that i do trust! He has an image and a job to do which requires him to be a jerk.... but in real life he is one of the nicest, caring people i've ever met!

No i didn't think i would lose as much weight as i did.
Let 's not go there with Jeanne. i will take the higher ladder here. and thank you soooo much for supporting me and realizing that i am a real person! thank you thank you

Cory the Spoiler Slayer wow, thanks so much! Dave and i are great friends... besides J. he is my best friend! Not Lovers! I actually wanted to pull of a Liz. strategy but since we were not with the guys, then i couldn't pair up with Butch. Other than that... i made my own strategy... i didn't follow after anyone else. No regrets... i will always be interested and curious in how i would have done in the game if i revealed more of myself... if i acted the way in the game as i do in real life... it would be interesting.... my best friends in the game would have been Shawna, J., Christy, Matt and Butch if i would have played as my real self... but i couldn't let that happen... so i will always wonder.

dannystultz well i personally didn't disappoint you with the editing... i promise i had no control over that!HA! Joanna attacking Christy.... i wasnt around... i was working on our shelter. i think it was a misunderstanding. Neither one of them played Survivor, so they were taking everything so personal.

katymoIt wasn't uncomfortable coming back because i was sooo sick! That's all anyone cared about was getting me healthy again... but then watching it on tv... the veiwing audience can't place themselves in that situation, so it was hard on me to hear the comments.. but i never got mad. i am not a judgemental person.. so it was hard for me to see where everyone was coming from.... but at home everyone had to watch a 89 pound person barely walk , eat, sleep, etc... so when they saw the episode... they were actually really proud of me! it took a lot of guts to do what i did for food... i have never stipped in my life.... but out there .. all of that goes away.. starvation is the only thing on your mind. and yes i was aware of how skinny i got, but only when one day i put my hands on my hips and could feel my fingers rub together through my skin. it was very scary!

EastCoastPipeDaddy i'm glad someone got my sense of humor! When i say things like that ... i am usually being a smart ass... but it doesn't come off that way on camera... and sometimes i'm just being silly. i thought it was a lot of fun to watch all of that stuff to, but i couldn't believe how seriously everyone else was taking it! ok... i had NO plans to bring looks into this.. if anything J. and Shawna were really pretty... so i thought i would be overlooked which was a good thing. That way i wouldn't piss off anyone. i wanted to allign myself with Butch, Deena, Rob, Janet, and maybe Shawna or J. but i wasn't sure which one? when jeff announced that it was girls against guys... new plan.....BUT Jeanne and Joanna wouldn't let us near them... which never made any sense to me.. i thought we were here to play a game not make judgement calls based on your looks. They excluded everyone! Not just J., shaw. and myself. That's why even Deena wanted to turn to us... she didn't have a chance with them. Future plans: Either get my Master's in Nursing or i just got accepted into Med school 2 months ago. I don't know right now which is the better route.

theanswer1000 the article: Yes i did have trouble trusting people. I am a very trusting person, so that was way against my character to act like that, and yes i did have to sleep on the floor.... i couldn't sleep very good for months. i went to Hawaii at 18 for the adventure....just to see if i could do it. That's the way i have always been. My parents support it , they wished they were more like that, but they got married really young... so i want to live as much as i can and learn as much as i can!

Sue5858 i know a great deal about exercise physiology. with that said i asked the show (cbs) how much more i needed to put on... they said as much as you can in a month but a lot more muscle. ok... muscle or more muscle than i had before that was said is very hard to do... i was already working out 3-4 hours a day. So i kept eating... 3times more than usual.. but you have to understand that i teach 4 hours of aerobics a day! it really didn't matter how much i ate... i burn it all up! Even after all my efforts i gained 3 pounds! i was soooo disappointed! but i could hire someone to teach the classes for me to make sure that i gained wt.!

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yankees42789: I would never betray J., if Rob decided to take us to the final 3, something had to be in it for him.... so we both had to agree to take him if we were to win the immunity at 3 people left.

Igneous Intrusion: Thanks very much! i always try to keep my head up. God doesn't hand us things that we can't handle. Therefor i consider myself lucky. Yes Christy just came right out and said it. I was in shock! i thought she was joking around but apparently not. I still tried very hard to make friends with her after that was said.

Amazonsoap: Production is to touch nothing of ours! Even if it was my glasses, etc...

TradingSpacesBear: Yes she is very beautiful! I was so excited when Christy told us! i wanted to learn soooo much from her! and yes if Christy was to take J. and i to the final 3 i would have stood by her all the way. i always kept my word to her.

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Murtz: hey there! Misrepresented because you can not have a duo like J. and i to where people would like us. it is much more fun to watch 2 characters that no one likes. if we had not been paired up then editing would have been much nicer to us! i so wish they just showed me playing the game and not all of the other story line stuff. it would have made me more interested! After the game: i feel like everywhere i go people will always have this false illusion of who i am... i hope i find that it's not like that.. but if anything all the hype over my character has made me the most talked about survivor in survivor history... (this is out of CBS's mouth and many others) so i get a lot of attention just based on that fact.

im DAWNIE: people who criticize.... they have a right to their own oppinion. it does hurt, but that's life! My mom always says life is tough , then you die. Even though she says it with a smile, there is some truth to that. It's just how you choose to deal with the tough situations.... as for me i roll with the punches... and i can only hope and pray for these people that they do realize this is just a highly edited tv show! And a very good one at that!

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crocophile: eye opening experiences into myself or others... not really... because what is on tv is nothing like how it really is out there. i seperated any feelings of what i had in the game from the tv experience. i took away a great time when i was out there , but the tv experience was horrible. i had so many wonderful memories of being out there. At least one memorable experience with everyone i met! it would be hard to put a placement on those. Everyday out there i would comment on how it was the best day yet! of course i was referring to we were all alive and closer to day 39. I don't talk with Jeff on a regular basis and i know he is VERY busy, so if the conversations ever came up , i would let him know that you are interested.

phusions: my thought initially was.... oh my gosh.... if i were to say that about her.... everyone would be very offended and hate me altogether....because you have to understand that what someone says AFTER the game is when i take offense to it. There is no reason to say things like that about someone when you don't even know them. i would never say that about her.... even though she was the hardest to get along with.,.. but i refuse to believe that the way someone acted in the game is the "REAL" them. so i wonder why she gets props for it? i don't think that says a lot of great things about someones character. The game is OVER take what you can from it and move on. I am only a 24 year old kid, and it is amazing how i get that concept and so many others don't. it's how you look at life..... i take it all in and spit out the negative... so Christy in my book will always be a positive.

obsessica: i am doing the short lived celeb stuff for the next 6 months and then i will start school. i was so sick it took about 3 months to get back to my norm. wt. My true hair color is a dirtyblonde color, but i do like highlighting it to a blonder shade. sometimes i go blonde, red, and brown... i love being different. or i always do what isn't expected. Change my life.... Deena said something similiar in her chat with all of you. it didn't really change my life. i am still the same person on the inside, but it has made me tougher. its really hard being 24 fresh out of college as first year teacher, on a national tv show, and almost dieing in the same year! NOt to mention all the backlash i've gotten over something that doesn't touch on me as a person.... so i am not as niave as i used to be and very much would like some of the "old" heidi back... but this is the new me... and i will continue to grow this just was a major stepping stone!

survr iii africa: really good question. I couldn't trust Deena, but i think she would have made sure i ended up in the final 4, but when i voted her out.. i also thought that is what would've happened without her. so in hindsight, i wish i would have kept her around.... but that is a tough one!

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katymo: Good question! The day i graduated College! i went to a top notch school that is hard to get into. my parents believe that you should do everything for yourself... so with the help of some scholarships i made it! that was just the beginning. it costs about $10,000 a semester, and student loans dont cover that because you can't be filed with your parents for at least 3 years until they help you. so i worked every job imaginable i even went to 2 colleges at the same time because i majored in 4 areas and was taking my first master's degree at the same time. i also was raising my little sister, so i was lucky to have enough money for food most weeks... even though it sounds not great... i loved every minute of it! it taught me to be a better person and i did it ... all by myself... when i graduated in August i was top in my class and only owed 13,000! now with any money i make i will put my little sis. through school and have donated the rest as scholarships in High schools.

will chill: i don't know how they pick people for All star survivor... but i would consider it!

fat walrus38: I actually am a vegetarian. ever since i was 13 years old! So fast food is a little hard for me. i love McD. frenchfries though! and i love pizza!

Jim Van Nest: med school at Texas A&M : i am giving heavy thought to. Actually it is a program through TA&M. i've heard it's one of the best. i actually have so many things to do right now that i will not be able to teach next year or go to med school until January.

phusions: it's not that i WON'T talk to them... it's just that i don't. i have very little time just like them, so i keep in contact with those who i am the closest to. which is still a good handfull.

survr iii africa: some people didn't like it.. but at home they were all very supportive. i always say for teachers the bell rings too. a few months later... all is well... many tears came when it was the last day of school out of everyone. The entire school gave me lots of cards, banners, and prayers! it was the greatest and worst day of my life! Very emotional! it's amazing how many lives i have impacted, and i never even meant to (in so many ways) i wanted to as a teacher, but i had no clue i would get back what i did!

yankees42789: Power moves: wow that's tough, because everyone reads into moves differently. but i would say even on day one i was investigating every option i had., an alliance was formed with j. and i and Shawna, then joined by Deena then i asked Christy to come along as well for back up. After that my main moves were with Jeanne, Roger, Deena and Christy. and we never really ran out of stuff from the reward challenge... we were not allowed to take it with us to another camp.

Froggy Meru: yeah, Janet did tell me she thought it was Christy, because she didn't think Christy understood that we weren't supposed to have food in the game. this was all verbal instruction, so Christy may not have been looking at the speaker when this took place. i have never believed it was Janet though.

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crocophile: yeah, now you can see my frustration and why i couldn't believe they edited like they did! Very little has been said to any of us about the all star cast. so if we don't talk about it , that is why. and yeah, i adored Deena! it really wasn't up to her to make Christy like me or what not, so i kept trying... yet even when we first switched camps Christy always complained about the way Deena treated her, so even someone who was close to her , she didn't have many nice things to say about! When Rob was off talking with Matt and came back laughing about it.... is when i realized that he could easily switch.

ChuayJai09: ok let's see here. Dave, Roger , and Butch wanted nothing to do with any girl alliance....Dave might have once he knew he was in trouble...but Butch and Roger would not budge! i tried every angle possible.... Plus i knew J. was loyal to the end.... and Deena was more liked than dave and butch... so it only made sense.

David Campo: not friends, but we do know each other, and he is very supportive and very nice.

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Froggy Meru: i wanted to keep Dave around! it's just that the majority did not! so if i had gone against them... then i could have been the next target.. Dave wanted to allign with the women when his butt was on the line... but he was one of my best friends. Dave and Jenna are the only two who i was my true self around! and i knew that if we could keep him after Roger he would have been very loyal to me, but there was just no way to get that done.

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hey everyone...please bear with me because i am using hotel computers-i promise i will post alot when i get home on monday. but here are some answers to some questions i saw passing by.
--lets get this out of the way--ROB is the best player ever-case closed end of story. he is awesome!
roger:
i don't think it is accurate or fair for someone who knew me three days to say i did nt deserve to win. he saw no game moves of mine. matt is a great guy but survivor is about outwitting and outplaying..not who is the strongest. so lets stop with the matt should of won thing..its over and there can only be one winner.
deena:
i admire her soooo much-she is one of the strongest woman i know. she reminds me alot of my mom. she is such a good friend and kept me in check tons of times in the game and still now!
my mom:
thanks so much for all your concern for my mom. she is ok but it is very rough. keep her in your prayers.
daves and jennas "date":
what happens in the jungle stays there-sorry guys its a BIG secret
ok the auction and christy:
first of all i respect christy a huge amount. i thanked her for the letter-you could see it on that show. i thanked everyone for not outbidding me. i can never thank all of them enough. it was an auction so we were bidding, including heidi on the letter also. but as i said she could of outbid me also but did not, and i know how bad she wanted that letter-it was bittersweet for me.
and christy is deaf-not dumb. she knew what she was doing when she was voting in final tribal. she saw my game moves from day one an respected that-she my of not liked me but respected my game. she told me after the finale what she said in the voting booth-it was touching-i was just as shocked as you!
keep the questions coming..as i said before i can't post alot but i promise i will..im a huge fan like all of you so this is great for me. as much as i wanted to beat some of you during the shows its fun to hear your imput.
thanks guys and forgive my spelling and grammer because of the hotel computer and i am typing very fast.
jenna-- sticks

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jennaconda
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hey you guys...
i think you might have to ask christy about her voting not me-so sorry...
-i plan to do as much as possible for animals for the rest of my life-they are my true passion in life.
-no me and matt are not dating, we are just friends.
-people on the show and dating-hmm you will have to ask them specifically
-am i boring you guys yet-you seem dead out there!!!
-pb and and some chocolate....i was sooo hungry i would of done anything for food and that is what i did. i think me and heidi both do not regret that at all. we were just having fun together ot there.
good questions guys..and i did get on these boards every night at 9:05...sometimes would sign off mad...lol
i really loved the story arcs alot.
jenna-sticks

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jennaconda
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(5/31/03 9:44:12 pm)
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where is that chillone anyway..he is soooo bad-spoiled everything.
there was no weight loss spoiler about me because i do not go out much. i like to be at home with my parents as much as i can. and of course all my animals are at home too-2 dogs; 2 guinea pigs; ferret, 2 birds, and a fish.
-i did talk the christy the first six day-we were on a team together for the first immunity challenge so how could we not talk during that. but i can say i did not have a conversation with hyer-butniether didshe with me. we just did not like each other out there-there is not much more too it. thats why is was so great for her to kick my butt on the log rolling because of our rivarly. it sucked for me to lose to her.
-im sorry if i am missing questions if i am please repeat them.
-ok if i could pick my tribe:
me
rob,
alex,
dave,
D,
heidi
sorry that is about it.
-jeanne was very mean to me and heidi and was intimidated by D. it was very uncalled for and immature-thats all i have to say about that.
hardest challenge=rubber band challenge dave won and took D with him for ice cream. im sure you all remember the famous and very silly "fat pig" comment. again so sorry-truth is an absolute defense
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jennaconda
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(5/31/03 9:57:20 pm)
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wow i thought you guys were going to be nice...

I do what i can for animals..there are some issues i feel very strong about
I said some things to christy that was wrong but she was not so nice to me either.....it takes two build a friendship out there
i was not mean to people that were older than me..D is not that much older but she was in my alliance..
and i was a ##### on the show i admit it..but i learned alot and that is what matters.
so there
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jennaconda
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(6/1/03 8:00:39 am)
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hey guys...sorry i got booted last night.
i say if you don't like me don't post her-way would you?
-i did check these boards during the show alot
-and for those who still say and always will i did not deserve to win-six out of seven jury members did. there will always be people who said one of the winners did not deserve it. but the audienece was not there the jury was. and the jury is explaining thie reasoning to you and still saying they would not change thier vote-what more do you want. you cannot change what happened. so lets just drop it.
-i will be watching miss universe. im a big pageant fan-good competition never hurt anyone.
-about my tribe i picked. what makes you think that is the cool kids tribe. d and dave were not even there when that happened and they are on my tribe. i think those are the strongest mentally and physically. if it was about friends i would o added shawna..
i may not be able to answer moer till late monday but i wll.
thanks,
jenna sticks
love the banners so much i have some of them laminated on
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jennaconda
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hey all. i posted in the sucks section-boy am i brave!
-i would of voted for rob in the final two hands down-best.player.ever
-i was ready to stand on that perch during the final challenge for three days. i knew i had to win it and i was so determined. i was in the zone for the last two challenges.
- i would of loved to spend my last day there with rob but he woud of beat me in the final two. i had to put personal feelings aside. i was there to win.
-the thread i liked was the story arcs-very funny and sometimes accurate. i just liked to hear a bunch say i was going next when i was not. the thread i disliked were the ones about wishing i would die-come on people its tv. get over it!
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Mark 5 is the Team Amazon thread started by trialdawg, now up to its 22nd page.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3369.topic

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trialdawg
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I would personally like to know where the heck all my other pals are. I had to get up this early where are they?????

I guess I will be making some phone calls. I know Matt is out there somewhere....I think he needs to join us...what do you all think??????

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 10:49:29 am)
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If the bossy one
the bossy one
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I don't know what show you were watching. The only comment I made about homosexuality was in my conversation with Alex. My whole issue had to do with flaunting it in public and the fact that it is not normal in the natural world. I don't know of any homosexual relations in which both people take the male role or the female role. One person usually takes the male role and the other the female. Need I say more. As I said earlier, it makes no difference to me what kind of relationship people have but it should not be flaunted in public. I were on the jury I would have voted for Mateo. I believe that Mateo played the game better than anyone. All you have to do is view the Saturn DVD in which Mateo tells everyone how he is going to play the game prior to the start. He did exactly what he said he would do. He is also humble enough to admit that luck also played a major factor.

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BD Chones
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Hi Dave! One question. why BD Chones? (sorry if someone asked you before)

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There seemed to be a fair amount of almost nudity at the post-boot party location. After I got booted all I wanted to do was wear clean chones (undies) and drink beer. The rest of the contestants all seemed to follow suit. I remember spending may days and many meals sitting around in chones with fellow boot-ees.

Deena and I started doing a little bit o boozing once she was removed. We would make these mixed drinks called the Big Daddy (Guarana and vodka) and The Chones Comestivel ("edible underware in portugeuse" orange fanta, bacardi, and malibu).

The name came from a combination of those great drink names. DB - Big Daddy- Chones

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 11:13:27 am)
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Here is how the alliance of Roger, Butch, Dave and Alex was formed: In the first few minutes of the game Butch and I realized that it would be and up hill battle for us being thrust into a tribe of young males. So, we formed an early bond. It became very obvious that Dave and Alex were both strong individuals who contributed greatly to the building of the shelter and would be strong in the challenges. So I approached them with the idea of their joining Butch and I. Meanwhile Ryan and Dan were clearly not contributing to the success of the tribe and Rob was making a great effort. I approched Rob and told him that Butch and I would not let the other young guys vote him out and that if he went with us he would be guaranteed a 5th place. Very naive on our part. Matt was contributing a great deal but he was very elusive. So we did not include him. The decision to vote Ryan off first was brought about because of his constant chatter. At least Dan didn't say much.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 11:23:15 am)
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Good morning BD Chones. How upset were you that the IC you needed to win was one that you had no chance to win? It was just a challenge where everybody could team up on somebody and take them out.

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I think that there is a fair amount of luck associated with Survivor. Unfortunately when I needed immunity most, the challenge was worthless. As for being upset, I was thrilled to be selected for the show. On top of that, to make it to the jury was a milestone accomplishment that I was proud of. While I wanted to stay longer, things didnt flow the way they needed to that day.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 11:31:25 am)
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I have a question about what you would have done had Tambaqui lost the sixth immunity challenge (meat eaters). Would you still have voted for Christy, or gone with the guys decision to vote out Heidi?

That was a difficult point in the game. I thought the previous immunity challenge was a pivotal challenge. To be able to send tribal council to Jabaru would give us the chance to see how the dynamics were moving in their camp. We could use that to make the best decisions on who we wanted to go next.

As for your question, Heidi and I had spent some time talking about getting rid of Roger with Christy. Jenna and I connected well at our date and I knew that if I could gain Heidi's friendship/respect, those two would be a powerful alliance to have. Unfortunately that didnt work out so well.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 11:35:52 am)
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Dan and I did get over our differnces on the vacation.

I would have treated a deaf male no differently than the way I treated Christy. I admire Christy's resolve.

Sorry I don't remember Dave's jury question. Dave maybe you can ask it again on this thread.

One of my main reasons for joining this thread is to see that Mateo gets the proper accolades. Jeff Probst is wrong. The best player of the game is Mateo not Rob. Rob played the game to hilt, but more for air time than strategy. All those things he said in confessionals were not needed to win the game--they did make for good T.V.

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BD Chones
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just heidi. we spooned mainly to keep warm and to try to be as comfortable as possible. She is a good friend and we spent many nights talking about family, significant others, and other "experiences." She was a friend when I needed it most right before I was booted.

as for jenna, we have agreed that whatever happened on the Amazon bungalow date stays in the Amazon. She is an amazingly attractive and deep individual. I am proud of her for putting everything together when she needed it most.

haha, as for a babe magnet, I seem to now have an uncanny ability to get noticed by 40-50 year old mothers. While I think they are all great and fantastic in their ways, that isnt really what I am looking for right now. I havent been recognized by a single 21-27 female yet.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 11:48:31 am)
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The construction of the shelter was not all that difficult. There were ample supplies of trees and vines. A chain saw would have been a great tool to have. The hardest worker was Dave and the whiner was Dan.

Same sex love is fine. I never had a brother but my best friend Dave Conn, who died in Viet Nam, was my brother and I love him.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 12:00:17 pm)
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I am a mechanical engineer with a focus in aeronautics and manufactoring from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. (RPI) I recieved my BS in December 2001. I had spent a total of 13 months working with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) as an intern before accepting a fulltime position. I plan on going back to grad school in a year.

I work for the Advanced Mechanical Design section. We are responsible for all the mechanical assemblies and issues associated with JPL supported missions. Projects like the Mars Exploration Rover that is launching early June and July was designed, built, tested, and integrated by my section.

I currently am responsible for an interferometer alignment scheme and supporting hardware for a science technology mission launching in 2005. I have flight hardware launching next Decemberish on an earth orbitting satelite.

What makes the rocket scientist claim possible is the overall lack of definition of what a rocket scientist actual does. Working for NASA designing and building hardware that rides on rockets that go to space seemed close enough for CBS. I think it helped me get on the show. If it has offended anybody, I apologize.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 12:06:21 pm)
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There is no denying that Jenna won the game but it does not mean she was the best player. In the game of survivor both in the Amazon and in Real Life, luck is a major factor.

I don't think that I could have played the game without being myself. In 1967 I was 30 miles southeast of Da Nang until October 26th.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 12:18:21 pm)
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about grad sch, are you taking an MS or a PhD. and on what?
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MS and then look into an MBA

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why did you choose to focus on aeronautics (as oppose to medical designs, etc.)? has it always been your interest?
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Space has always facinated me. From watching Star Wars movies with my ather at a very early age, I was always intrigued and curious of the possibilities and challenges associated with space programs.

I had originally wanted to go to school for zoology attempting to be the next Indiana Jones. I ended up at RPI mainly due to heavy recruiting from the track team for me to pole vault for them. Once I was there, I defaulted to engineering and fell in love with the discipline. I cant imagine doing anything else with my life right now.

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how many times did you apply for survivor? deena mentioned that some of you have applied several times.
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I applied for the second season and got called back. I had the interview directly after Elizabeth Filarski. We wished each other good luck and the rest is history.

I think somebody asked about my father's occupation. He is a physist and works for the government. My mother is a speech pathologist and works with infants and toddlers.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 12:26:39 pm)
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My final comments about Jenna winning: Since I'm the only contestant to have spent sometime with all the other
survivors I think I might have a clue as to why they voted the way they did. However the following is just my guess--

Deena- Like me she would never have voted for a person from the other tribe.

Heidi-True blue to Jenna from the get go.

Christy-Even though Christy said she beliveved that Jenna outplayed etc. her, I think she felt sorry for Jenna's situation with her mom and that she needed the money more than Matt.

Dave-Perplexing to me, but I believe his reason was similar to Christy's.

Alex-Very jealous of Mateo. No way would he vote for him.

Rob-A 24 year old who felt that it would be best to leave the show in the good graces of a 21 year old female swim model rather than a 33 year old male.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 12:34:25 pm)
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Dave, I know that you and Ryan are from the same city, but did you know him before the show? I ask because I remember you giving him like a "West Coast" type hand-signal before you got on the boat in the first episode.
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The hand signal was "EC" (Ellicott City). I am shocked they let two people from teh same hometown on the same season. We had never met each other, but within one degree of separation we knew of each other. We have shared friends and he used to date a girl who I found very attractive in high school.

Ryan is a great friend. Once you gain his trust, he is someone very honest and honorable. Unfortunately things didnt work out better for him in the game.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 12:41:02 pm)
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Thanks for that Davey Rockett..anyway did you reveal anything aside from your tribemates's ages and occupation to Jenna?Cuz that was the only thing we saw.
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yeah, I did offer a bit more to jenna. It wasnt as much as she gave to me, but nothing overly revealing. Something from that event that wasnt shown happened when jenna and I first showed up. I told Jeff that this was too good to be true and wanted to know waht the catch was. Jeff responded and said that there was no catch, just a friendly date. The next morning when I told him he was full of sh*t, he said that this was "a twist" not "a catch."

go probst with his pseudo-almost lies

I wouldnt have played it any different, but I remember being a tad ticked off.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 12:45:42 pm)
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I don't know what show you were watching. The only comment I made about homosexuality was in my conversation with Alex. My whole issue had to do with flaunting it in public and the fact that it is not normal in the natural world. I don't know of any homosexual relations in which both people take the male role or the female role. One person usually takes the male role and the other the female. Need I say more. As I said earlier, it makes no difference to me what kind of relationship people have but it should not be flaunted in public.

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 1:08:44 pm)
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1) So when you watched the show, whose confessions suprised you the most?
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To rob's credit, he had many of us fooled for the first part of the game. I didnt realize that he had so much anamosity against me. While it didnt keep me in the game very long, I felt somewhat honored that he would refer to me as "the golden boy" and whatnot.

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certainly hindsight is 20/20. At the time and with the knowledge that I had, i dont think i would have done anything differently. I wanted to ahve a good time, be myself, and try my best.

certianly i had the opportunity to drastically change the flow of the game when we repicked teams. I would have liked to have ALex, but he was first picked by jenna. I knew I couldnt trust rob and I didnt want somebody on my squad that may stab me in the back. Butch was an honest, fun, hard worker. I could never get a vibe on Matt. It was never positive or negative, it was a weird, not knowing what his deal was type feeling. he was a hard worker and very knowledgable in terms of survival skills, but socially seemed aloof in the tribe dynamics.

Heidi was an easy first pick after all of Jenna's praise. I had hoped that we could form a friendship and potential alliance (thus encorporating Jenna) later in the game. I didnt think the Roger and company man alliance would last until the end. Christy was described as a hardworker and a nature guide. I thought she would be the strongest of the ramining females to help win challenges. jeanne seemed stronger than shawna at that point. plus I knew that heidi wanted her voted out which gave roger butch and I the majority

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sitting around all day with no energy, filthy, hungry, waiting for something to happen

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 1:35:33 pm)
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Sorry if this has been asked and answered but could you explain your vote for Jenna and explain you tribal council question? Did you get the answers you were looking for?
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My tribal council question was cut in half. The purpose of the question was to catch both jenna and matt in another bullsh*t response. The previous 6 jury members established that both matt and jenna had been dishonest, manipulative, and deceptive on their path to the final two. They had both admitted that they had thrown honesty and integrity aside and felt that the million bucks was worth that trade.

The answer that I was looking for was a character that displyed these traits. WHile in an extreme case, somebody like Saddam Hussein has far more of these traits than Colin Powell or jenna's mom.

The second part of the question was their acknoeldgement that both their answers were bullsh*t and did not display the way they played the game. That was the point of the question and I wish it was left in the show.

As for why I voted for Jenna:

1. Jenna played the game better than Matt. Matt was clueless for the vast majority of the game. His longevity was not due to any of his own doing, but because Rob saw him as a pawn that could advance himself further. Matt had one strategic move by falling off of the pedestal at the final immunity challenge but otherwise was pulled along for the ride. Jenna was involved in every major game decision except for Alex's removal. She did a fantastic job of voicing her opinion while not becoming a physical or mental threat. She remained in the majority and when things turned, she cranked up the intensity, won critical immunity challenges, and got herself back in the game showing what a true fighter she really is. She gave concise and non-bullshit answers at the final tribal council. (which I am still bitter about cuz they didnt show the second half of my question thus negating its purpose, oh well) She gained friendships throughout the game instead of alienating herself with wild machete sharpening sessions, Chinese conversations, and overall creepiness.

2. Jenna earned my friendship in the game. While I was not happy with my oust, I give her credit and respect with the times we shared. I personally feel involved in her life and sympathize with her family issues. Since her mom has battled cancer for 12 years, I think she will do more worldly good with cash than Matt. I would rather give the money to a friend in need than somebody who was more of an acquaintance with material goals.

3. I give Matt credit for being extremely knowledgeable and physically capable in the Amazon. Like anyone else out there, I would much rather be in the final two than the first jury member. However, I think it is a bit of stretch to say it was jealousy that caused me to vote against Matt. From watching the show, it appears I was voted out instead of Matt because I was seen more as a threat. I take this as a compliment from my competitors and one could argue that it illustrates their feelings of Matt being less a player/threat than myself.

I have yet to hear a argument that has changed my vote. Yes, Matt fished and did the muscle work. Yes, he won some reward and immunity challenges. But when push came to shove, he did not know the game's dynamics nor could put his act together to get Jenna removed. Being able to catch fish better than somebody else does not earn my vote.

I hold Matt as a friend and a remarkable person who has accomplished much in his life. I am shocked and a bit appalled that he is attempting to take far more credit than I feel that he was responsible for. I think that there is a large amount of luck associated with this game. Because something happens that leads to a positive outcome, does not mean that you caused that occurance. For example, because Matt "dodged bullets" for so many days does not mean that he was actually responsible for the dodging. I think Rob spent the vast majority of the game shielding him from these analogous bullets. Matt needs to step up and give Rob credit for allowing him to go as far as he did.

I think a 6 to 1 vote shows that the people (jury) who spent the longest time with Matt 24 hours a day 7 days a week had the best knowledge of who he really was and how he was "playing" the game.

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the bossy one
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(5/31/03 1:43:43 pm)
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I trusted Butch the most and Mateo the least.

1. Ethan
2. Richard
3. Brian
4. Tina
5. Veceepia
6. Jenna

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BD Chones
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(5/31/03 1:46:35 pm)
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nothing is wrong with it. however, in a game where your peers are looking to vote you off, I would think you would want to try to relate to the majority to your best ability. It seems like setting yourself apart from everybody else only weakens your position

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the bossy one
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Overall the editing was fairly accurate.

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BD Chones
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At first I couldn't stand you but as the game went on I started seeing an underdog in you in which I rooted for. I'm going to ask you a very direct question. Was your mind made up before the final T.C. Who you were going to vote for? It seemed to me and most of the other posters, it had with the majority of the players.
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no, my mind was not made up before the final TC. I had hoped that one of the two finalist would have given more credit to the jury and how they would not be in that fortunate position without their help.

jenna won my vote with her concise, straightforward answers. Matt took a great deal of time to beat around the point at hand.

matt almost won my vote back at his final statement when he said that he had gotten lucky throughout the game. (I dont think that got aired) I was happy to see how he acknowledged that. I find it very interesting how that doesnt seem to be the issue anymore.

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the bossy one
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I did make up with Dan in LL.

If the final two were Mateo and Dave or Butch I would have voted for Dave or Butch. If it was Rob or Alex I would have voted for Matt.

Also, I was asked by someone else, If it was Jenna and Heidi in the final two who would I pick and why ?

I would have picked Heidi. In spite of our differences she worked hard and played the game well.

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the bossy one
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If I was on the jury, I would have voted for Mateo but I believe that Jenna still would have won 5 - 2.

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the bossy one
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The Amazon is a very harsh environment therfore any reward was a luxury.

I do alot of backpacking and falling asleep in the Amazon was no more difficult than falling asleep in the high sierra.

I wanted to bring 2 decks of cards.

Having to boil the water.

I really didn't see anything that was frightening.

Oldies 60's & 70's Motown. The Eagles.

I was really into drugs in my youth. I have not had a joint since 1968 or taken any drugs since then.

Seabiscuit

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the bossy one
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Butch-nice
Dave-cool
Dan-lazy
Ryan-attitude
Matt-intense
Alex-dude
Rob-comedian

Deena-intense
Shawna-cool
JoAnna-smart
Janet-mother
Jeanne-fun
Jenna-pretty
Heidi-intense
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Mark 6 is Roger's thread started by the bossy one, up to its fourth page.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessage?topicID=3362.topic

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the bossy one
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I fully intended to wait until tomorrow to answer any questions but since it is Friday night ---- need I say more for us old farts.

How fair was my portrayal ? I'm not a homophobic, racist or chauvinist.

I clearly thought Mateo should have won.

Alex went to the dark side. Neither Alex or Rob every said to my face that I was being too bossy or being an ass. I wish they could have been honest enough ( I know it's just a game ) to tell me that and at least told me that I should do everything in my power to win the first individual immunity challenge. I don't think I could of outlasted Christy but I sure would have made a strong attempt. None of us wanted the game to be men against women. But when they set it up that way, I was determined that a man should win. I think these younger men lost their way. Had the shoe been on the other foot, I would have told them what was up. Hindsight is great and the biggest mistake that I made was not voting Heidi off when I had the chance. Butch and I should have approached Jeanne and Christy when we knew Heidi was going to vote with us to vote Jeanne off. The game would have taken a whole new twist.

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the bossy one
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First I want to tell all of you who had questions that there will be a thread at 8:00 am PDT, " From Team Amazon to the Sucktards with Love." Deena, Rob, Dave, Jenna, posible Heidi and I will be available.

Had we lost the meat challenge, we would have voted off Heidi.

The only time I wore anything resembling a burnoose was at the log challenge. I forgot my hat, so I made a hood ou of my t-shirt. It waw 122 degrees in the sun.

My strategy going in was that whatever tribe I was in, if I couldn't win, I would vote for a member of my tribe to win.So in this case, obviously, I would not have voted for a female.

Yes, I think I would have had a chance to win had the men stayed together. I think I would have done very well in the individual immunity challenges.

Hard to believe that they wanted to keep the beer cold.

Hate is too strong a word for my issue with Heidi. As I said, I believe that Heidi is a confused young woman and needs to get her priorities in order.

I'm the one who brought up the gay issue in the conversation with Alex. My whole point was that I think it is very offensive for gay people to flaunt the sexuality in public. I also feel that it is equally offensive for heterosexuals. One's sexuality belongs behind closed doors in my opinion.

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the bossy one
the bossy one
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(5/31/03 1:02:28 pm)
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We had heard that Jeanne was the next to go on the women's tribe and Dave felt he could convince Heidi to vote with us.

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the bossy one
the bossy one
Posts: 24
(5/31/03 2:02:54 pm)
Reply Re: The Alpha male on Survivor the Amazon
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I only tried out for Survivor.

I would say that I Shawna is the woman I bonded most with on the vacation.

I don't like to public displays of affection.

We could build any size shelter that we wanted to.

Well, I have just spent more time on the internet in one day than I have in my entire life. I'm signing off now. I'll check back later to see if there are more questions. Enjoy your weekend- Roger " the bossy one "

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Robfather Part II
Registered User
Posts: 1
(5/30/03 5:28:15 pm)
Reply Rob's Official Sucks Debut, Pre-Party
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Well, Well, Well. I guess this is an official hello. I know that there have been some people claiming to be on the board, but this is finally it. Tommorow morning a bunch of Amazon survivors are going to post, but I wanted to stop in and say "Hey" before then.

I've gotten a lot of e-mails from some of you guys, so I wanted to drop in. I really thought it was great how you guys treated Deena, so I decided to join the fun.

I know that you are mostly going to doubt this is me, so I am looking forward to a number of questions that only I will know the answer to. Should be fun....

Late,

-Rob Cesternino

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Robfather Part II
Registered User
Posts: 2
(5/30/03 8:33:09 pm)
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I'm excited for tommorow when the rest of the cast is over here too. Okay here are a couple of answers to some of the questions.

As far voting off Ryan over Roger, I just looked at the choice between the two alliances. I thought the Dan and Ryan alliance (We did not know Matt was going to vote with Ryan and Dan, although he probably only did it because Ryan told Matt that I said I was going to do it) was a weaker alliance than the Roger/Butch/Alex/Dave alliance. We did know that Dave was going to vote for Dan.

As for whether or not I panicked with Alex, I don't think it was a panic decision and I would have still done it again.

I checked the 8-ball again, I still voted for the right person at the final tribal council

To all that are happy to see me here, It's good to finally post as myself!

See you guys tommorow!!

-Rob

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Robfather Part II
Registered User
Posts: 4
(5/31/03 9:39:30 am)
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Hey, What's up Guys?

I haven't heard from anybody else yet today, so I'll try to answer some of your questions. Man you guys have been busy.

A lot of questions concern Matt vs. Jenna at the final tribal council. I know this answer is going to upset a lot of "Matt-heads" out there, but the fact is that Jenna did more to get herself into the final 2, than Matt. I know that Matt has said that he was acting the entire time and that everything that happened in the game was strategicly planned on his part, but the fact of the matter is that there is neither one confessional nor a hint in his defense at the final tribal council to support that claim. Meanwhile, other than the Alex vote, Jenna was fully aware of the game around her for 39 days. She also won the final two immunities, and was directly responsible for getting me voted out (Which no other player can say).

More to come later. Stay tuned....

-Rob

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Robfather Part II
Registered User
Posts: 8
(5/31/03 10:48:45 am)
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Roger,

I'll admit to what Matthew said on the Saturn DVD, but just because he said that he'd pretend to be a fool doesn't mean that he actually ever knew what was going on.

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If anyone knows of any other threads with posts of interest, point the way to them please.

Veruca Salt and dabo, thanks for posting these. It's hard to wade through the pages and pages of posts.

djandy

Jenna's back and FWIW, she is also posting in the Sucks section as well as LTS. She got slammed pretty hard in the Sucks section and she is holding her own so kudos for her on that.


jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 14
(6/2/03 1:34:00 pm)
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hey all I'm back for a second but I will be on more later tonight. I just wanted to say thanks for being so great over here and your questions are great.
A few quick answers before I go I didn't want you guys to think I forgot about you
jeanne and jo-
They did all of the fishing and left before the sun was up and never asked anyone to go. Heidi wanted to go many times and so did I. D also wanted to go too, it was nice to change duties once and a while. But, they never offered for anyone else to go. Me, Heidi, Shawna, and D tended fire and water ALL damn day! That is not an easy task. If you remember on one of the epsiodes when Christy was not wanting to build the shelter and then did jeanne said "no one is sherkin everyone is workin" because we were. Even at Jacare I helped build the roof on the new shelter with Dave and cooked meals. We all had to work together to stay alive.
D and learning law:
I never said I learned law from D. And when I said the whole "fat pig" thing I did not mean in the sense of fat like large I meant fat like eating alot. Like I said I was hungry and said stupid things and apologized a bunch.
Be back soon.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 19
(6/2/03 9:12:11 pm)
Reply Re: from jenna to the sucktards with some love
------------------------------------------------------------------I was pretty sure (you can never be too sure in Survivor) Christy was going the night I gave up immunity. If I gave it to Heidi or not Christy was still the one to go due to her indecision.
-I think me and Heidi were both in bad shape. I was very sick at the time and the boys thought Heidi would be a bigger physical threat-they were wrong.
-I got a HUGE spark after Heidi was gone. I said "I'm not gonna give up now and let down my family and woman everywhere" I was so determined at that point I surprised myself-it was awesome.
-I don't think Heidi was fishing for a compliment at final tribal. I just think she wanted to know if Rob was the only one who deserved to be there-and Rob was my only answer.
-I was surprised Christy was so mad in her speech going out-but then again if I was just blindsided I would be soo pissed too.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 21
(6/2/03 9:23:30 pm)
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To no surprise I am not a health food eater. I love fast food. But I really love bagels with everything on them.
I am a HUGE candy eater-love chocolate. But, I think you guys already know that;)
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-While making the headdresses it was not an issue of the later challenge. We thought since it was getting alittle later in the day that were might not have an endurance challenge. But, you can never predict in survivor.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 24
(6/2/03 9:37:42 pm)
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-family challenge
I knew how much it meant to the other survivors to see thier family and I would of given up my visit for them. I know that is hard for most to believe knowing my family situation. But those people become family and I would of given it up for them
-I am not sure why Matt chose to act aloof and crazy. He admitted many times to us that he was not a student of the game and Rob was his teacher. I am not sure where he wanted to go with that. But he is an excellent jungle guy to have around, very strong.
-I plan to give to charities I feel close to like Susan G. Koman and money to help animals.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 25
(6/2/03 9:40:32 pm)
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Christy-
If you listen again to Howard Stern and see my previous posts you will see both times that I said Christy DID know who she was voting for. I got a chance to talk with Christy after the show and through e-mail. We may have not gotten along during Survivor but we do now and that is what is important. I can learn alot from her.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 27
(6/2/03 9:50:05 pm)
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-I have an x-box now so some of my favs games from that are; kung fu chaos; DOA (my fav), LOTR, and many more
-Last book I read was the continuation of Rose Red (Stephen King) called "The Diary of Ellen Rimbaurer." The spelling might be wrong on the last name. Good book.
-I do watch the bachelor, but j. millionaire not so much. Survivor and BB are my favs. And I do plan to watch BB this summer. And I would love to meet Lisa one day
-I did not vote out Rob at four because, like I always do, I got personal. I was very close to Rob and I thought he played harder and deserved to be in the final 3 more.
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single
Posts: 30
(6/2/03 10:05:05 pm)
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-maze:
~I was very determined in that challenge. I am a very relaxed person when I get hit with stress (well most of the time). I just wanted to take my time and go slow so I could remember what necklace I just got. But, I am a jokster, always trying to crack jokes.
Karaoke:
~Rob sang alot and I LOVED it. It was a great way to pass time.
TSB-no problem
Normal life:
~I don't think my life will ever be normal again. But coming back was very difficult. Sleeping habits were all messed up and my eating.
Crying on ep. 12:
~I was so sick at that time I don't know what I was thinking to be honest. All I know is I felt like #####.
Male fans vs. female:
~Really I get alot of both. I have seen it to be pretty even. But some of the comments I made during the shows would turn some female viewers off to me. Like the ones about being younger.
jerri:
~I did like Jerri cause she had attitude. Attitude makes for a good show. I always like the bad guys or people who are drama.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 33
(6/2/03 10:16:43 pm)
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take care too Da!
movie:
~LOTR followed so closely by Gladiator.
Christy:
~Me and Christy did talk. We were belted together for the first challenge how could we not. I still am in contact with Christy and I am going to see her soon.
Waiting:
~waiting for the finale was very hard. But I also knew it was the only time our show would be on so I should enjoy it day by day. I had NO idea I was going to win-I thought Matt was. And I analyzed the crap out of the shows. I give my family credit for putting up with my crazy self for that amount of time.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 35
(6/2/03 10:27:28 pm)
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survivors:
~I saw a bunch of previous survivors at our finale-it was great because I am such a huge fan. I saw:
Jed, Ken, Neleh, Helen, Sue, Rudy, Richard, Ethan, Amber, Ghandia, Gervase, Jerri, Boston Rob, Sean, and more
~We cannot contact each other at all.
~Butch's dancing was quite funny!
~Amazing Race
~I did laugh alot. I am a very goofy and fun person at home. That game is very stressful but we had out fair share of laughs out there.
~I would do an all-star in a heartbeat if asked. If I don't get asked I will have a blast watching.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 38
(6/2/03 10:37:32 pm)
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mom:
~she is fighting every day. She has her good days and bad ones-thanks so much for asking.
All star location:
~Congo
I did not bring anything back from the amazon except a few gifts.
dating:
~Dating is alittle hard now. I have to be real careful on the guys I meet. But I am not looking for a boyfriend right now.
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(6/2/03 10:43:52 pm)
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I know that they will not go the the congo-they have already been to africa.
~I don't think rob was willing to risk the game for any personal things like friendship. That is the way everyone should be, its a game.
J

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 41
(6/2/03 10:45:28 pm)
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I'm thinking of a website.
And i did not say it would be Congo-I said I always wanted to go there and I would like to go there.
You guys tell me where you think it will be.
J


jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 43
(6/2/03 10:48:35 pm)
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I think the 8-ball comments from the guys were great.
Ryan is a good-looking guy, not my type.
~I don't know how probst felt about Ryans jet ski comment. I'm sure he did not mind much.
J


jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 45
(6/2/03 10:53:05 pm)
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-me and ryan don't know each other that well.
~About Alex I just think he was mad about the whole "act" thing when he saw Matt go alittle nutty. He is not the only one who finds that act hard to believe. I just think he was speaking what he felt.
No worries WillChill-it was a mistake. Where do you think All Star would be?

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 48
(6/2/03 11:00:48 pm)
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Christy:
~we are both going to a charity thing. And I heard from her last week before she went to the deaf expo.
Heidi:
~If Heidi won immunity the night she went I have no idea what Rob would of done thats a good question for him.
Research:
I have watched all the shows and surfed alot of sites. But I wanted to be able to adapt.
My type:
~funny, caring, honest, loves their family.

~I took the year off for the show from school
~I was not going to give up the necklace again
~Stern was cool, I met him after the show. Hes awesome
I keep trying to call Heid but she does not answer
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 53
(6/2/03 11:14:57 pm)
Reply Re: from jenna to the sucktards with some love
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I am a self-designed zoology major.
J

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 55
(6/2/03 11:19:13 pm)
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I am not telling you guys what to do. I have answered that question many times after I said that. I don't think it needs to be answered over and over. (regarding her win over Matt)
jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 57
(6/2/03 11:23:43 pm)
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fav teams:
~Steelers and Broncos
I hear they traded our QB (Broncos)-what a rip! I knew the fued between him (Griese) and the coach would end up bad!
~Whose line is funny!

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 60
(6/2/03 11:30:27 pm)
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guys I gotta run. I will be back on soon promise. You have all been so great. I will check my inbox tomorrow because it boots me off for some reason when I do it posting.
I will see you all soon and answer your e-mails.
Love you guys,
Jenna

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 62
(6/2/03 11:37:34 pm)
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last questions-I can't stop with you guys.
I have talked to Amber she is very cool.
And the show showed Matt being clueless most of the time so I don't know why the audience thinks he is so much more of a game player. But every winner will always have the people who don't think they deserved to win. freedom of speech.
good night guys-for real this time
Jenna

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Amazontwigs
Jungle warrior
Posts: 38
(6/2/03 10:21:05 pm)
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Hey everyone... i'll try to get to as many questions as i can and i think J. and i will try to get on at 10:00 pm eastern time.

Here we go!

bob zipper: good question! For some reason when you're all caught up in the moment you say things not thought out clearly! i did apologize to Rob for that behavior when i calmed down. i felt really bad for saying that to him.. when i was out there....Deena backstabbed me first so in my mind it was ok to do it to her then... but with Rob... i hadn't done anything to him so it really hurt when he did that to me. But you are right... that was hypocritical of me to do.... all i can do is apologize and admit that i was wrong.

The Marquesan Godfather: i took classes in college for 2 years that involved working with handicapped, impaired, and disabled students. Inclusion is a big part of teaching , so i thought it would really help me..... it does really hurt though! my last semester i got to work with a child who had cystic fibrosis...in his last year of living.... it makes you appreciate so much more! Also my best friends little girl is deaf... so we have been taking sign language classes together. good question about Roger! Dave was the wild card in that vote....Before the meat challenge Dave wanted to know if i would vote with him to vote off Roger.... since we won, it never got mentioned again..... and yes i did believe Dave.... he was the most honest out of anyone.(and that's why roger has never known anything about it) Jenna is saying that the editing is correct on her behalf and what we all said is something that did actually come out of our mouths. But... in all of her interviews she along with several others have all said i got a really bad deal! i could tell so many things that were shown that actually didn't happen to my character that it isn't even funny..... and that's just it i have at least 5 other witness that all would stand behind what i am saying. We would all make fun of each other to our faces.... it might have been mean spirited of Rob to do... but that is Rob! We were all just playing around... Matt knew it. Humor is the best way to pass the time out there.... and believe me we thought of everything.... so many games, etc....As far as the fishing goes.... there were two hooks to catch fish with.... Matt and Butch loved to do it... i also love fishing!... but i didn't want to step on any ones shoes.... fishing was a fun thing to do to pass time... not a chore.

I told Christy how excited i was that we would get to work together and she rolled her eyes and said she didn't like pretty girls... never have ....never will! i thought she was kidding... and as far as i know she might have been.... but when we merged she said it again and also to Rob. and NO i would never blame Christy for anything. i am very proud of her and would raise my glass to her anytime! i don't know if Alex has gotten over his bitterness.... i'm trying really hard not to answer for other people. Jenna i know so well.... so i fell like she would be saying what i'm writing on here... but others... i don't want to put words in their mouth.

I thought the editing was really clever! and considering i got bit by a spider.... only fitting. Were butterflies shown everytime they showed Christy? Just wondering. Ha!

survr iii africa: too funny! and yes Missouri is in the fattest states! Actually Springfield (where i'm from) is in the top 10 fattest cities in America! i blame it on no bike routes, not cookies! ha!

Amazonsoap: my address will be Heidi-Strobel.com. it will be up and running in a week!

Jim Van Nest: no problem! i love talking with people that actually know about Survivor! Lots of people that come up to me.... don't really watch the show like you guys... so i really enjoy talking with intelligent people about the show! Your questions are great! CBS sets up some interviews.... and everything you would like to do goes through them. Even me writing on here right now.

willchill: my whole life all i've cared about is school! i love to study! i have always been very good at Math and Biology and believe it or not... English..... but man i hate to spell! i have never been very good at it! Ha! Gene was a joke, but Denna was a careless mistake on my part! There is a least a 4 hour IQ test you have to take.... maybe longer.... it has a lot of math on it. i actually scored a 171 on it and only 2 other survivors have scored higher than that with a 172. I want to make it clear that just because you are good with grades or test scores doesn't mean that you are good with people! and having good people skills is how you get far is survivor! Jenna hates school and look who won! i would like to think i have a mixture of both... and how far i got does show that i did..... No one makes it to the top 9 without good people skills. or at least they have a good idea of how to manipulate people! on twisted Tambaqui.....yes that is exactly what was going on. they left Christy and i to build their new toilet! can you believe that! i didn't mind at all especially since it was with Christy.... we dug the ones for the women together also.... but they never asked us to go fishing....so we just started inviting ourselves. Dave did feel bad about it, but Butch and Roger never even understood what the problem was. too funny!

NYYankee07: where did we get to meet? just wondering? could you send the pic.? e-mail? too funny about the Christy thing! she always told us that granola was her favorite... but i don't believe she took it at all. i would have voted for J.

CherryMonroe: i promise you this in no way extends my 15 minutes. i just really wanted to answer questions for all of you. i have MANY other things going on right now but that doesn't start until Wed. so i wanted to answer as much as i could before i left.

ThaiMeKangarooDown: i totally agree that everone has the right to post what they want and i will answer if you have questions... not insults. i am not asking anyone to agree... i am only telling what i know. there are 15 others with a totally different story of their own. Hidiously bad contestant... is that why i got so far... by being hidiously bad to everyone? even when the questions at the q and a were announced.... i got voted as the one most liked and believe it or not it was a tie that Butch and i got for who would most likely save your life! that says a lot about someone. stripping for food... i didn't make anyone watch it ... nor did i promote it... nor did i want it shown. if you were starving to death... is that the real you? Tell ya what ... you go try it ....then tell me what you would do while a million cameras on you ....and oh you know what they can make you into what ever they want to make you into....then stick up for yourself all of the time while many doctors don't even know how to cure you. i did the best i could and i only a 24 year old kid that is still learning. if you have insight to how i could play the game better... i promise i would listen.... i am not mad at anyone for posting what they want....but to judge me based off of a tv says a lot about someone as well....not that i'm judging!Ha! are you an athlete? Do you know that a true athlete stops at nothing to win the game... you put everything on the line to win! i stepped onto a basketball court for 36 days of my life and then you shake hands when it's over... you do what it takes to get what you want. i was not putting down unfit bodies i was putting down Jeanne and Joanna which clearly are not unfit. they ticked me off and i was angry and appologized for it on national tv. are we all to play by what our occupations are? Does the bell not ring for me to? i am a very good teacher. period. i was a teacher for one and a half months before survivor....and i have a lot of living left to do....if i were to play as a teacher i would have let myself down in so many ways.....we would not get food by simply jumping off.... if so i would have done it! i would not outlast Deena, Dave, or Matt , so my chances of getting food were not great.... he told us to make an offer to get the food instead of outlasting someone... so we did and i repeat we weren't the only ones! ok enough of that... thanks for your comments... much appreciated.

Victjona: it was a joke because i was really mad at her, but i did want her to know that i really did care about her and it was just a game.... hopefuly no hard feelings.

AbsoluteHorror: good post! unhealthy situation..... i had no clue what i was getting myself into ! i thought i would lose around 10 lbs. and i could handle that... but i had no clue what it really does to you physically and mentally. No amount of studying can prepare you for it!

Tiggerdrh: yes there were different rules! if we were to jump off and that's it... we would have gotten nothing! i repeat nothing! we either had to outlast and get food which wouldn't happen compared to our competition..... OR...We had to offer something to get the food. and we weren't the only ones. has another survivor weighed 89 pounds? i'm just asking... i really don't know? Jeff made it seem that that would be the only offer until the person who won immunity. if i had known... of course i would have attempted to stay on longer and just jump off. i am sorry to say that i don't watch the show enough to know that jeff might give more food like he might have in past Survivors. i should have studied more! if all i wanted to do was strip... then why was i the only one who didn't out of the three of us in our "bathing" episode...... there was no gain for me doing that! and at that point in the game i wouldn't have done it for food either. they time out in the game when you would do what for food. not strip per say... but you are willing to do stuff you would never do any other time.

Murtz: too funny! i also love , love, love playing video games!

Orangeena: Very interesting! and ya i heard the same thing about ASS. But not through the powers that be. my insurance covered most of the medical bills. not really a CBS bank... they did want me for TAR, but only with an attractive single girl. when i told them all my friends were married... they told me there was also a slot open on Survivor that could really use a girl like me. Little did i know that meant dumb blond bimbo!Ha Ha! Actually they told me they wanted me for more of the sweetheart role in casting.... but they never thought in a million years that Jenna and i would pair up... so my character had to change. i'm sorry which tie are you refering to? just let me know and i'll clear it up for ya. i have also worked with hearing impaired students before that are sooo full of life and fun loving... so i expected Christy to be open like they are....but as adults we learn to close our hearts in fear of being hurt..... that is the great thing about working with children! ya i did know Alex and Lex were friends!

Haileys comment: Very good question! Rob didn't like it very much! that's when he started thinking i could beat him in the final two.... it did hurt my chances with him..... i actually started trying to convince him that no one liked me as much as they liked him.... but he didn't fall for it! Too funny!

MMead7: Thanks so Much!

MommyRuns: You are the true survivor or the true miracle! i am afraid that i am 10 minutes shy of qualifing for Boston! and yes i would sooooo love to be a pediatrician! which could still happen, but the med. i was looking into is either a nurse anesthetist or an anesthesiologist. immunity neclace trade was done just to make sure Rob wouldn't go back on his word. Let's just say that Jeff didn't want to see the other contestants who offered to strip... i couldn't believe that he was ok with me doing it.. way gross! and i adore Matt....!!!!! so being a fan of his .... is great! i am too!!!!

StephanieQueen: Really good statements! Being a teacher.... i see soooo much worse! so... maybe that's how i justify some of it. My parents don't like how i want to take care of her like that... they think she should have to do the same things that i did..... but if i could find a way for her not to have to go through that then i will. and they are right on one part.... she is much more spoiled and doesn't work as hard as i do at anything.... so maybe it has hurt her. My parents are not wealthy.... so they can't support all of us girls... there's 4 of us. They have always done what they could to help out.... but nothing more and nothing less. I think since that is the way they were raised then they think that is the way it should be done..... and i really hate to say that all 4 of us have turned out to be great kids! i always wonder when i have children which way will be the best for them?

IBitchThereforeIAm: Does your name say it all? I was only quoting what so many have said. This doesn't make me happy by any means! i would much rather not be talked about! And i think they mean in one season i am the most talked about not....through out the years! i haven''t been around that long (thank goodness) And is that the only thing you have held onto? have you read anything else? and as far as spellcheck... i am trying my best to type as fast as i can to get to everyone.... so i am very sorry that doesn't meet your requirements. enough said.... other than that thanks for sharing your views.

tisha456: hey there! thanks so much! Jeanne would just go around trying to out do all of the guys at everything... so we changed her name to Gene. There's more to it than that... but that's the general idea. and yes Dave is totally adorable. All star if i can gain another 20 lbs. other than that... no. and yes i would really like to see how far i can get by just playing as who i am. even if i am the first one off.

theanswer1000: I could never be mad at H.C. he is a real sweetheart...that talks too much! Ha! besides i'm not ashamed of anything that i have done. I come from German and Irish background = mean beer drinkers.... which is why i don't drink! Ha!

tigeranne: I excluded Roger and Butch because they are married! not that they aren't attractive older men. and my father would kill me if i ever ran off with someone who is older than him! Ha! i have never been good at spelling... but more importantly when you are a teacher... you see every name in the book and a different spelling for it everytime.... it does boggle the mind how there can be that many spellings! so if you are smart, etc... you don't have to go to college to prove that and many, many, many, Biology majors are NOT good at spelling... why do you think they write their names like they do? Ha! Following blindly.... i don't think i was following anyone except for Deena from time to time.... and if you have read any of Christy's interviews she makes very different remarks about myself! She doesn't group J. and i together., and we get along really well.

beatlebum79: wow! thanks sooo much! i'm 5'5" and no we can't be on any other CBS show or any other tv conflicting with CBS for a year.

crocophile: at TC they edit face expressions when they want a face after a saying... the men actually laughed when i said that. I can't answer the TC question about how long we are there.

obsessica: Thanks so much! I went to Drury. And you could soooo be on Survivor! they want people who know the game! all of you would be so much better at the game than most of us!

lancey15: Lance you are so right! it's funny how people can say all kinds of stuff..... ten times worse than i could ever think about saying and yet i'm the bad guy. interesting.

MsAgainSt8: I told my boss immediately after getting home. she said there would be some trouble over it ,but then she looked at me and said " shoot i hope you would have done a lot more than that to get some skin on your bones......" she was very kind about the whole thing. my mom and b.f. knew.

SPunKeeMonKee: Thanks so much! it took months to get back to regular weight. it was very hard to keep food down and the parasite problem didn't help. Dan and i got the sickest. His lasted 2 weeks, mine lasted 3 1/2 months... although i never would want to go through what he did!

thanks so much for all of your posts! if J. and i can get on here tonight we will , if not take care and sleep well!

Heidi

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Amazontwigs
Jungle warrior
Posts: 39
(6/2/03 10:36:24 pm)
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rei: hey there! ok, good questions!

1) i don't believe bloodbath was ever used! ha! too funny! it's just that we all heard how Christy was not close with her family and had no clue she even cared about them, so we were all in shock at how bad she wanted the letter, and even at that it was from her friend... i always felt really bad for her....not getting one from her actual fam. so i think when the family challenge came up....we said we would be shocked if she tried to win this thing... we just all had no clue that she even liked her family. so i will forever appologize for not giving her more credit.

2)Deena was right. i don't know why Jo. said that about me , except she didn't like the comments on tv that i made, but if you had asked her while she was still in the game and hadn't seen tv version.... we got along really well.... we actually had a lot in common. i will forever be on good terms with her....even when she did say things like that.

3) nothing with Roger and I. in the game we got into a fight... and have made up since then.... he is one of the best dads i have ever met.!

4) j. is surprised Christy voted for the letter like she did! we were all in shock.

5)i was on good terms with Christy in the game and am on good terms with her outside of the game... i never had ill will against her... and could not help if she did against me.

i promise i did not misinterpret Jeanne... even Deena will agree.... and she even commented howJ. only won because of her ass.... which just proves what i have always said and thought. she said many , many things verbally and was always hateful anyone that tries to poison you has some issues. but i will always forgive her,and pray very hard for her.

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Amazontwigs
Jungle warrior
Posts: 41
(6/3/03 2:31:21 am)
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GeneOkerlund27: no i haven't played it yet, but i got it for my birthday. i love playing Need for Speed on my playstation and things like that. and no i haven't danced with Butch , but he is a great dancer with his wife!

Miss WendyWings: CBS will cover your damage on the show.

Tiggerdrh: i understand! and no, no mothers gave me any flack. i thought they would, but they never made a peep. at least not to my face. behind my back, i'm sure millions! Ha!

Froggy Meru: Janet would have still been the first off.

lancev15: hey lance! we only see what is at tribal council. and most of my students were really excited to see me the next day.

Delicate Ambush: good question: ok, i know this is horrible, but when you're in college you HAVE to read soooo much that i vowed not to read for a year. (at least this is an honest answer, but not one i'm proud of) .... so the last book i finished was in August of 2002 called "The Coming Anarchy"

Fav. movie always changes... i am a movie buff. Love them! Recently: Exit Wounds, Love and Basketball, Playing by Heart, Chicago, i could go on and on......

Will Chill: You are right about the camps... and Jaburu actually had places you could somewhat get in the water... but the other two... NO WAY! This is one interesting thing about the camps.... there are certain trees that are best to build your hut with... at Jaburu these trees were a very long way off .... at least a mile (round trip) and the trees the boys needed were right there. then there were nuts that the girls could eat close to their camp, but there were none in sight at the boys. very interesting! i do believe that that is why it also took us so long to get a shelter going..... i'm not making excuses... the boys are of course better at it than us.... but it did take it's toll on us!

Survr iii africa: now there is a place called Hinode in Springfield... i actually travel 3 hours to go eat there..... that is how good it is!

farrago2go: i know 40 year old's who call themselves kids... it's just a term i use to say that i am still growing as a person. and i do act like a big kid.... i loving being silly! Looking more credible? i'm just here to answer your questions... people will believe whatever they are going to believe. a little more intelligence? "grammer", "processer"? Thanks for the insight.

AmazonDave: like it! Can you scan it at any other computer? if so i can give you my e-mail! Australia....i have to wait for things to calm down a little first and then we are off... so sometime between Feb. and March. and yes, my grandma always used to tell me how beautiful New Zealand was!

EastCoastPipeDaddy: i love Runner's World!!!! and Shape!!! i would love to do anything with either one of them!

Hey Jim..... no prob!

Hey Bob.... thanks.

Dolliac: Thanks so much....5 years... i fear that i will still be in school!

Beyond Bedlam: once again... that is what i am saying now.. is that i will forever be sorry that i didn't realize how important some people were to her. She didn't make that clear to any of us....(like if i really missed my mom...it was really clear to everyone..... she never mentioned anyone that she missed.) I was shocked... because if you heard her talk about her boyfriend i was surprised that she even cared. it was never flattering. now that i have seen Christy in "real " life ... it is much different.... she adores them just like they do her.... i'm not sure where all of her animosity came from during the show. But is she just once said one thing that was good about any of them... i would not have been shocked in the slightest. And once i did see how much she cared ... i was very happy for her.!

sunsawed: too funny! and you are sooo right!

Hey Milky! There are many cameras around.... who knows which one they told me to look into. and a lot of people mainly asked me what happened to me. Being sick and all. Most were just glad that i was back though.

I'm afraid our time has reached it's end for now..... in the future i hope to hear from some of you, and once again thanks for having an open mind! it gives me some faith in our world that everyone is not as judgemental as it seems.

my love and God's light be with you
in all that you are and in all that you do.

take care!

Heidi

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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 22
(6/2/03 9:29:48 pm)
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Good for you for being a survivor of cancer! That is great.
-While making the headdresses it was not an issue of the later challenge. We thought since it was getting alittle later in the day that were might not have an endurance challenge. But, you can never predict in survivor.
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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 48
(6/2/03 11:00:48 pm)
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Christy:
~we are both going to a charity thing. And I heard from her last week before she went to the deaf expo.
Heidi:
~If Heidi won immunity the night she went I have no idea what Rob would of done thats a good question for him.
Research:
I have watched all the shows and surfed alot of sites. But I wanted to be able to adapt.
My type:
~funny, caring, honest, loves their family.

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Thanks for all the hard work guys. It'll probably be another day or so before I get through all of the posts but I do have a couple of points/points of contention to make with regards to the "S6" posters:

1.I have really developed some respect for Jenna.

2.Dave is very jeolous of Matt and how far he got in this game.

3.Butch is a no-nonsense kind of guy who I've come to like.

4.Heidi is not as clued in as she believes. I find it hard to believe that she is responsible for teaching other peoples children. She contradicted her self so many times. The, "I don't put my sexuality out there and I'm not that sort of person" bull was shown to be a lie by the pictures taken by Kim and Jennifer at the after show party(taken at Tao). The hair extensions, makeup, breast augmentation and clothes tell a different story. Did she really say that she was raising her little sis while taking 24 credits and working multiple jobs....cough cough **bullsh!t** cough cough. Family is important to her yet she is willing to disrespect her parents by taking credit for raising her sis. Comeon...does anybody really believe her?

5.As if we didn't already know but they edit the heck out of this show. MB is trying to give us a story and we(the spoilers) have been on the right track when it comes to following this line of thought.

6.It is hard for me to understand how there can be such divergent views on how Matt played this game. Dave does not want to give Matt one bit of credit for learning the game. He did out Rob, Rob, in the final 3 didn't he?

7.Those who have voted for J. seem to mention over and over about her family situation and how it played a role in their voting. Dave with his, "Matt doesn't need it" and "J. will do more good with the money" bull is very disconcerting. MB needs to do something about that not becoming a trend because it will kill the game. One of the reasons I liked S1 was because Dicque didn't need the money at all and yet he still won. Those who voted for him did so because they said he played a better game, even though they hated how he got to the finals. Maybe we need to exclude all future competitors with these sad sack stories like Jenna.

Hey Dabo, it is the Summary of LTS in Sucks, here is what she has put so far. Give credit where it is due, she hung in there with some amazingly disgusting things thrown her way...

Jennaconda

hey all..i know i was told to not post over here because it is where all the "mean stuff" goes on.
but i want to say that i think everyone has a right to thier opinion. i am not saying what i say goes i am just answering questions that were asked, like the one about roger.
if you want read the rno interview i did.
anyways i dont want to take up valuable hate time so ill run but feel free to ask me what you want if you want. i have checked this thread from the first episode and i heard it all from you guys. i remember who was the meanest ;) i wanted to say f%&k you to them most of our season
but i am huge fan also and i get invovled in the characters in the show too. i was screaming when some people get voted off and jumping with joy on others.
jenna
ps-i was a jerri manthey fan during her show (ha)
controversy= a good fun show-

jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 12
(6/1/03 10:25 am)
hey suckheads!
i gotta run till monday so keep all your ##### questions till then. i did answer that question in the lions and tigers thread. so if you want you can take your mean asses over there and read my answer to it. but don't stay too long or you may get some nice vibes when you come out. its been fun in here and i wll be back as long as you want me too.
take care sucksters!

whats up suckheads. I can only post for a second but I wanted to at least once until tonight to let you know you have not scared me away by your "jenna sucks a ##### and didn't deserve to win" comments.
Its too bad that the game is OVER so let the whole winning thing go. I would love to post here more and where is KOM!!!
If you don't like me posting here you can kiss my ass!
See you later tonight.
Love lots,
Jenna ;)

Im back all..fire away if you want.
Jenna

POSTER
Wow. Welcome.

I posted this on the previous page:
Allright Jenna, if you're coming back and you want some non-LTS questions, here ya go.
There were reports that you had appeared in Stuff (?) magazine modelling swimsuits, and where you gave an interview professing your fondness of using sex toys. Was this true? Did they put words in your mouth? If true, while that's pretty advanced sexual behavior for a 20-year old, what the hell were you thinking in yapping about it in public? No fear that your parents/future hubby might see it?

Second, while you deserve mad props for stringing together the final IC's and having the good sense to not disintegrate like Colby Donaldson, it struck me that you were using your mom's illness as a crutch to win over Matt -- I don't recall you using the word cancer itself, but that whole business of you needing the money more seemed to be a direct allusion to it. Does using your mom's illness to win make you feel even a little bit guilty?

Anyhow, that was one hell of a season. Thx for keeping us from falling asleep like Thailand.

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Jenna, what is your life like now? I mean aside from checking this board in hotel rooms? How often did you check here throughout the season?

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 20
(6/2/03 9:20 pm)

stuff-I was young, well younger than I am now when I did that interview. I was talking a little out of my ass (what a shocker . And my parents did see it, I felt bad.
my mom- I did not use her illness as a way to win-like jeanne said. Actually some of the jury almost did not want to vote for me when I said I needed the money more. Every person (well almost all of them) there at one point used the "poor me I need the money" thing. Ask them. I do not think that had one bit to do with it.
Thanks for enjoying our season. 7 should be great!
Jenna

POSTER
What were the alliances and plans just before Deena got the boot? Was Deena trying to make it an all female final, and was your attachment to Alex strategical or out of friendship?

Jenna... screw these nutmonkeys! You were hot this season.
All the suckster are jealous we didn't get to nail you.

Jenna Lewis is the hotter Jenna, but you were fun to watch bathe and get naked. Thanks for that BTW. I think your maturbation thread is the greatest... you should make that your dekstop pic.

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 23

The plan was for Me and Deena and Heidi to stick together through the whole game. When the boys came to camp it was a whole different game. Then we had to rely on the guys to keep us in the game. Because it could of been very easy for the guys to go back and side with Roger and vote us girls off one by one. I thought we owed them something for that. I really enjoyed Alex's company and considered him a friend. But, like I said he was one of the ones who helped us girls at the merge. Thats why I thought it wasn't right to vote him out then. Also, I was told D told everyone a different final two, how did I know she was not lying to me also. Turns out she was not but that is the game.

If I was in Heidi's position I would of voted out Jeanne for sure. She did not like most of us and did not trust us. She would of been a problem after the merge. I thought she was stronger than Butch also.
-Some of the things Heidi said were alittle crazy. But, we were in the jungle starving to death-we got alittle insane. Me and Heid are alot alike in alot of ways, but we are also different. Its not fun to have friends who are just like you. And I do still love her to death.Sticks

POSTER
I noted in your STUFF interview that you love hazing at the sorority during pledge time, and that you love to dish it out to the other girls. You were quite proud that you were the meanest of them all. Does any of this make you wonder why your popularity poll is so low?

And, we all like to see a charqacter redeem themselves, such as Robb in the last season-at least he had the balls to admit he was screwed up and learned alot. What have you learned? Your posts don't reflect alot of growth since the show.

Finally, you just contradicted your self in saying :- I did not use her illness as a way to win-like jeanne said. Actually some of the jury almost did not want to vote for me when I said I needed the money more. Actually, I spoke to a Survivor today who said you played that card frequently (not Jeanne).

And the Stuff magazine question....?

That had to have hurt your daddy -- really seems like a nice guy.

Do you feel like you've profited off your mom's illness?

And you LTS candyasses go back to your revolting Neverland

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 28
(6/2/03 9:55 pm)
sorry no porn for you tcryn
~Devils
~yes I still live with my Mom and Dad. I am needed here.
~I owed Rob, Alex, and Matt for sticking with the girls when we merged.
~I am not sure if Rogers bossy moves pissed the men off you would have to ask them
~But, When I picked teams I wanted the boys I did not think Dave was that close to judging from what I heard that night. Also Rob was always happy and that is very much needed in a game like this. Alex and Matt were very strong.
-great anaconda movie ad BTW.
~I did not mind Jo that much. Her singing and praising did not really get on my nerves.
~I have admitted many times and including the reunion show I was a snobby, #####, all that and more. I have learned SOOOOOOOOO much.
~I have never, nor will profit of my moms illness. No money in the world can bring her health back.
Jenna

POSTER
Yea, which threads really pissed you off, which ones made you a bit mad but later you found funny, which ones did you think were funny? How soon after you got back from the amazon did you start coming on here? How did you find out about this board?
What's your favorite emoticon?
1.
What have you learned?
Well, please understand all of us hope the best for your mom!

But you really came across as playing the pity card on it. I think that's exactly what you did, I think you knew what you were doing, and I think that since everyone had seen Matt's mom, you knew it would work.

Cheap, cheap, cheap.
Crass, crass, crass.
Anyhow, I hope the $1M helps her survive (and yeah I note the loaded tones of using that verb in this context).

Any enlightenment on why you excluded Christy from the bathing beauty sequence? As has been documented in here, she has her issues, but it seemed like an unneccessary slight.

And did you consider excluding Shawna, who although gorgeous, is not perhaps swimsuit material like you and Heidi?

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 31
(6/2/03 10:09 pm)
I have seen Misery-great movie~
threads:
~ I really liked the story arcs thread. People put alot of time into those and some of the time they were dead on. The threads about wishing I would die I thought were alittle overboard. Its only TV. The masturbation one was also quite funny. John Nash was another cool one.
learning:
~what have I learned. Is there even time for all I learned?
I learned to appreciate time and life more. But, most important I learned I have alot of growing up to do and I need to be more open minded and not still stuck in college sorority life. Whats really cool about people is what is different.Sticks

Christy was asked to come take a bath with us and she said no.
Sticks
Its about winning 1 million not about who is the cutest or has the nicest ass

POSTER
Alex's behaviour at the reunion: cranked up on caffeine like he was with you in the Amazon, or was there another influence involved?

Jenna -

1) Did your head almost explode when you tried desperately to come up with a name of a world leader while Matt was answering the question. btw props to you for having the presence of mind to answer your mom and taking the opportunity to pull out that sympathy card in front of jury one more time.

2) Can you please tell Matt to post here? He's the one we really want to talk to.

Jennaconda
Rich and single
alex:
~Alex is actually a really cool guy. I love him to death. He is a very good friend. I don't think he came across bad on TV.
thread:
~Ah the "Jenna masturbates 4 u" thread-memories!
matt:
~I will try my hardest to get him to post here. I'm sure he will he has got alot of fans. I'll ask him.
dave:
~Dave always came off very smart to me so it was no surprise about his job. His final question was to see who would talk out of thier ass.
tcryn-you are crazy!!
@#%$-thanks for being my fan and no I cannot marry you. Sorry I'm too young!
Christy and the hair:
~I did not mind her hair issues at all. To each thier own. We all looked pretty hairy eventually.
World leader:
~I do not emmualte a world leader because we only see one side of them-the media side. I want to mold myself after someone I have seen all the sides of good and bad. My Mom is really amazing.
-Erin:
~Never met her but I hear she is hot-and she is a girl
~Really guys I never got annoyed by Heidi.
~ Alex was mad at the reunion show because Matt did get alittle nutty that night. I was not awake but Alex and D where.
~Hmm if I were voted off what should my picture of been. Let me think. Anaconda?
thats a hard one
@#%$ you rule!

POSTER
Jenna if i give you my cell number will you call it??????
hey Jenna you simply R O C K
I am your number O N E fan
will you M A R R Y me
Love B.art!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POSTER
Aw, c'mon, Jenna -- Probst cut Alex off when he rambled about Matt being psycho in the jungle. You even looked concerned!

You confirming that you noticed nothing odd in his behaviour that night?

The initial introduction we had to you was you being unable to untie your canoe from the mother boat. Any blowback from that once you were hanging with the chicks?

Did you ever get annoyed of Heidi?? Honestly, did you??

Also, if you were voted out of the game, what should your picture in the top right hand corner have been changed to??
Do you have any favorite posters here, are there posters whom you find entertaining?

POSTER
In Dave's interview he stated that he was looking for your answer to be a negatively regarded politician (Machiavelli would have been a good one), to get you or Matt to admit to being deceitful.
tcryn
Jeanne states that you knew you eating the moldy mantioc.
True or false?
Jenna - What is your favorite "Silas giving an anal to _____" picture?
Are you going to invest in the Reality Central channel?
Jenna, is this the boyfriend with whom you used the sex toys according to the Stuff magazine interview?

JENNACONDA
I would have to say Jeanne is full of crap on that one. We knew it was moldy but we sure as hell did not eat it like that. We pulled the moldy parts out.
Silas and anal:
~that is a hard one I can't answer
RC:
~I have not been asked to invest in the channel.
date:
~That is my high school boyfriend my senior year. No sex toys guys I was in HS. Gimmie a break I'm not that big of a skeezer. His name is Bob, excellent fisherman. I should of paid attention more. But I learned alittle.
Sticks

POSTER
just curious.. is there a CBS "minder" that follows you around and monitors what you say? Are they hovering over you now?

JENNACONDA
no one is following us around.
B.art you are too kind to be over here in sucks ;)

POSTER
Jenna: will you promise never to pander your "charity" scented candles here?
Please ask him when you do him and report back.

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 46
(6/2/03 10:54 pm)
ill ask Silas if I see him and report!
~I did like Clay on AI because his voice is so good.
~I have not heard from KOM, but I have no idea what I would say to him.
!!!1111

Jenaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 47
(6/2/03 10:56 pm)
promise no candles here-what if they are not scented!
Kidding don't get you panties in a bind!
But if your panties are dirty I will boil them for you.
nice to finally meet you KOM
~people are nice to me once they meet me. I am not as bad as I was on the show.
~The reason why people say Matt was clueless is because he said it tons of times. If your plan is to be clueless at least tell one person about it.
No lesbo action for me-sorry guys
fav teams:
~Steelers and Broncos
I hear they traded our QB (Broncos)-what a rip! I knew the fued between him (Griese) and the coach would end up bad!
~I would do the PB thing again if I was starving-but I"m not now-sorry.
did snuggle with Alex but we were only friends-promise!

POSTER
Threesome action, Jenna, threesome action -- remember the question, please.

Only friends with Alex? You were visibly and inexplicably pissed when Deena floated bouncing him. Que?
The true test of a Survivor winner is still their willingness to post in the A.nderson lounge.
any sexual contact between survivors at the loser lounge that you heard about? Any sexual relationships still going on?

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 58
(6/2/03 11:25 pm)
No threesomes-sorry!
And I cant get to the A.nderson lounge send me the link in my in-box and I'll do it tomorrow.
This is my last call folks-I am tired
This is the epicenter of hating Jenna Morasca, and I for one think she should feel at home here.

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 59
(6/2/03 11:27 pm)
the hate makes me feel at home!
anyway, last call for me I am very tired.
It has be soooo fun over here

POSTER
still can't stand you, but you've done a magnificent job in here tonight.
At any point, did you want to physically harm Jeff Probst?
Leave it at that and go to bed.
The girl is open to just about anything. On line S E X is in the offing. First Survivor Sucks sanctioned orgy between contestants and posters. Jenna gives good word.

Jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 61
(6/2/03 11:33 pm)

ok guys been fun!
No I never wanted to hurt jeff and no one that I know of was gay. I will be back if thats ok, its been very challenging over here-i like that.
you guys rock
see you soon.

Mark 8, as covered by VerucaSalt, is the LTS summary now on its 19th page with nothing additional.

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jennaconda
Rich and single
Posts: 64
(6/3/03 11:07 am)
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Hey!
My only post for now.

First I don't feel I should have to convince anyone of why I won. But as far as game play. I had a hand in everyones ousting except Alex. Every person who was voted off when I was there I had a part in or knew about (Heidi). I was a part of all the strategy and moves. Deena was a tough one because I had to betray her. And if you watch back me and Heidi were the ones who really wanted Roger gone. If you remember D saying "gotta give it to Jenna and Heidi", when we said Roger has to go. Also, Christy was due to us giving her an option and throwing everything into a mess. Heidi put alot of pressure on Christy that day. I would say I was playing the game.
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M2 p2
M3 p22
M4 p23
M5 p24
M6 p5
M7 p10
M8 p19

What I found strange is the real negativity about Matt from other players except for Roger and Jenna.

In a thread Petition for Matt to be on the All Stars, Rob posted this.....

Matthew is the best survivor ever!! I would be so psyched to see him again!! His strategy is super cool. He pretends to be crazy, but it's really an act!! OMG it is so smart! Matt is the greatest, smartest, bestest Survivor of all time and deserves to be in All-star game soooooOOOOOOOooooo much!

Matt Rocks!

Sounds like he is a little bitter huh?

Agree it sounds bitter --

but considering folks' (initial) reaction to Jenna's win, I can understand a bit of defensiveness from the jury.

What's interesting to me -- and this may belong on another thread...

These people still sound very much like what we saw on the edited show. Much more than I expected.

And the funniest thing, the people that are squawking the loudest about how the editing didn't show the 'real me' are the people that sound the MOST like their televised selves -- Heidi & Roger. Reading their posts has confirmed rather than denied my impressions of them in the game.

Jenna freely admits that she was a pain, Deena said something about how in that extreme setting you have no choice but to be yourself. This makes sense -- and is superficially backed-up by the posts we're seeing.

(replying to myself rather than having it tucked under more Sucks postings)

I also agree that he's being sarcastic -- I didn't mean bitter about losing, I just get the impression that he's a bit tired of all the 'Matt as Survivor God' postings --

I don't sense any bitterness from Rob in that post. It's pure sarcasm. Exactly the type of response any thread calling for Matt's inclusion in ASS deserves.

I cannot believe there are so many serious Survivor fans out there who still believe Matthew should have beaten Jenna. Those involved in the game have given a multitude of reasons to justify a 6 - 1 vote. I'm with Jenna here. Just let it go!

Sheesh.

I agree, the post is tongue-in-cheek. I think it says more about Rob that he has not replied to many of the questions on the thread he started for that purpose.

New from BD Chones on the Dave Johnson hottest male thread, which is otherwise a massive waste of time (this is on page 74 of the thing).

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none currently. Work seems to cracking the whip pretty hard these days. I have definately pushed the amount of time I can take off as is. I think a year or two would be the earliest I could get substantial time off for a good ride. I am doing a bunch of work with Survivor sponsoring charities. I have donea few AIDS fund raisers already and have another this weekend in LA. I am going to Omaha in June and probably NYC in the fall. When we did the bike trip, we thought about raising money for some organization and helping fund our way across the states. Since we were students at teh time, time dictated the last minute, hope we have enough cash out of pocket, to make it all teh way across. next time for sure.

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If something comes up, I will go for it. I am not actively pursuing such things. I dig my job and wouldnt trade that for anything else. Got any connections? I am flexible..... btw thanks for the hunk compliment!

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I applied for season 2, Outback and got called back to the second round of interviews. There was a super hot chick in the lobby who had the interview before me. We swapped a few stories and wished each other luck. I didnt make the show, she did. Her name is Elizabeth and although she is married, i would dig having dinner and drinks with her.

haha, I have a bed. I built the frame myself. To go technical (cuz I like that stuff) I use 1/8" steel swaged cables and turnbuckles for torsional support. It rides a few feet off the ground, has great response, queen sized, stained a dark walnut, and can handle anything anybody has ever attempted on it.

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Thanks for the bump..I have been trying to answer the PMs and the e-mails and the requests et al and I have abandoned my responsibilities here ..... clearly. So, where does that leave us? Back on page 32 I think or thereabouts. I was sadest to let Dave go. He is genuinely a nice guy, very handsome, and quite the team player. He just made the wrong decisions early, but gosh didn't most of us. When Dave made the, please save me speech, I though about it for a moment but too late to save bacon.

Alex & reuinion: To me it was a classic Alex statement....kind of like "Dude you know what I was there and I saw what you did...." I do not believe that Alex intentionally would say things that were mean spirited. But Matt was irritated by it because his comments to Alex (I was sitting between the two of them, diagonally) at the commercial indicated that he thought it was out of line. In return Alex tried to explain and say "Hey dude i was just calling it as I saw it...." By this time in the show, old feelings needed to be left behind and I think we all did a pretty good job of it. I do not believe there is an strong animosity between the two of them. Matt is too mature for it and Alex is to loveable to hate anyone. But it did make for good tv.

Fish: I say invest in a living reef only if you intend to watch it and learn about it. I have owned 90, 60, 40, 30, and 20 gallon tanks. I have successsfully bred angel fish and Discus but I would never do a living reef until I knew everything there was to know and I started out small.

Music: I am trying to get back to the Christian music scene and rid my soul of the angry rappers....but found it highly entertaining to listen to 50 cent this morning on the way to work. Did we have camp fires and sing alongs??? No so much, we played games mostly. It is exhausting just existing so by the end of the day we pretty much just crashed. Although we taklked about everything. A lot of sex talk going on which I did not participate in for the most part. this was a young crowd and single and I was thankful I did not have to take part.

Must jet to court now and save the world....thanks for the bump and I will be back.

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Africandi: Lightening hit the camp the day before or the day after Joanna left. Scared the ever living crud out of me. Hit a tree that was a few feet from the "shelter"

WillChill: We sucked at building. Our shelter was not completed until the day Joanna left. It really never was completed. The problems: where to start? There was no production crew or help to build or anybody cutting the supplies for us it was all girls some of the time. The first day was such a shock. You get there and you do not know what the heck you are going to do. We opened our supply box and got our machetes and went off. We had no plan of attack we just did. So after chopping the first tree we were basically done -- energy wise. We spent about 1 hour finding out where we wanted to place the camp. Our flag was not in the same place where we built. That was my doing. There ws a greater tree canopy where we eventually built. i knew that we could use existing trees for the base of the shelter and we would have some coverage from the trees. Where the landing flag was, was completely open. We also used a great big semi-circular tree for the fire backdrop. The reason: we could not build a shelter let alone a fire shelter. Day 2 we were all out of energy, done. No food, blistering heat, high humidity, no direction, and cycling issues all cam to a head. By day 2 you start to see the division of people into pairs.....

Orangeena: Sorry you hated my vote and hate jenna for all the perceived mistreatment. But I have to point out one fact, Christy voted for her as well. Go figure. I pegged her for voting with Matt. I personally did not see any overt nastiness from Jenna. The only outwardly nasty comments came from Joanna, not only in camp but at TC as well. My mind was made up to remove Joanna from the game after Janet's boot and in part it was the way Joanna treated Christy. Jenna made silly and immature remarks about being handicapped because of her beauty and Christy responded perfectly at TC. However, I do not equate ignorance with mean spiritedness. Yes she and Heidi never went out of their way to get to know her but neither did others many. My fondest memories of the island are my discussions with Christy by the camp fire. I see a larger social problem here and a perfect example of the way the two worlds respond to each other in real life.
On the flip side, since the reunion i believe that all is well and all sides have a new found respect for each other. Life lesson from Survivor: Learn to Appreciate and Learn to Understand.

At any given point at any given time, no person is ever perfect. We just have to learn to get along

Tigeranne: Okay you don't like me and I am the least liked by all the survivors of S6. Whatever...... move on already. I guess I am still entitled to an opinion, aren't I????

See you all later. DB

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Tigeranne: You absolutely are entitled to an opinion, you were just the last person who at the end of a very difficult day quoted more about Matt.....I get it every day from people in the halls to members of Riverside jurors....you just were the focus of the sheesh already in Deena...that and the thread on the other forum thing....sorry

Matt dehydration: I do not know why Alex did not help. Frankly i did not ever think he was awake...maybe he briefly awoke and did not think anything of it. Scared the living crap out of me. It was raining and there was nobody around (production) and the kids were all under the shelter sleeping. I was scrambling to get the gear under the shelter and then Matt collapsed. Coupled with his rapidly deteriorating physical appearance and you get creepy (in the words of Christy). I never thought he was loosing his mind he just hit a low spot at that point in time. For all who care...remember I like Matt. When it came to decide for Shawna or Matt, I convinced the rest to go with Shawna because I thought Matt deserved to play. Pre-game I picked Matt to beat everybody but me. I never voted against him except once and at that point I was voting for Jenna. (No I am not going there again) Who knows if they would have had a live vote and I had the benefit of tv viewing, I may have voted for Matt.

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All time favorite moment: Winning immunity

Worst: Lossing the coke and fridge

No legal analyst spots for me. I have homicide cases and rape cases and baby torture cases....no time for Hollywood. I cannot get into the editing or film, sorry. Although IMHO I was given a lot of air time.

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Thoughts on Alex; Well, to all of you who would like me tell off such and such a person for doing something you think is bad or unkind or just plain silly....not gonna do it. You know for 5 months we took grief not only from you all but by the regular press as well. Yes we put ourselves out there in the spotlight but it is not like we are these Hollywood superstars. We are normal (I use the term broadly) people who were given an extraordinary chance to compete in a nationally televised game. We all have done or said stupid things and I refuse to be negative anymore to my fellow contestants. I do not always agree with what is said or what is done but it is over and why should I be the moral police especially when I was responsible for negativity on this very thread that I started..... So I will not bag on Alex or anybody else except me.

Chill one: Was he human or MB??? Pretty good spoilers if you ask me and it was a little disappointing because here i am under contract not to open my mouth and somebody already is. I think this board as a whole, would have liked this season much more if there had been no ChillOne. As to the mysterious boat driver....never saw anybody like the description given. Production members, those that have contact with us, are generally repeaters and those who have gained the supersecretpass. We really only had contact with us.

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M2 p2
M3 p25
M4 p25
M5 p25
M6 p5
M7 p11
M8 p20

Just wanted to add my thanks for continuing to track the posts of the (apparent) ex-Survivors at Sucks, dabo. This saves us Blowers from the hassle of having to wade through the mostly witless stuff from the Suckers. Thanks much!

I'm interested to see that Deena believes that ChillOne's spoilers were of any use. She seems to have forgotten that ChillOne was more wrong than right. Perhaps she is as clueless as she appears on the show. Still can't spell, either.

Skiver.

LAST EDITED ON 06-11-03 AT 06:18 PM (EST)

YW, Skiver.

Mark 9 is now the Dave Johnson hottest thread, since BD Chones has decided to answer questions there.

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm17.showMessageRange?topicID=2996.topic&start=1&stop=20

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crackin me up on a monday morning.

weekend was great. a bunch of Survivors got together for the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS event out in LA. It was pretty surreal to be hanging with the likes of Tom Hanks and Carmen Electra. Whatever happened to the normal 9-5 rocket scientist NASA boy? Big shouts to the Buffy the Vampire Slayer cast, they rock.

more big thanks for all the brew love I am getting on this page. Keep me posted if anybody is ever in LA, it would be foolish not to tag up let me repay the generosity....

I love the "must have scared dave away" comments. seriously now, if that is the goal, you are going to have to try much harder.

what beach party?

off to dealing with the madness. Launch window for the MER (Mars Exploration Rovers) rovers openned up yesterday. Exiciting times for NASA. cheers!

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OK. Now....the question from S6: As you may or may not know, I'm the creator of the message board Christy's World (dedicated to....ohh....your dance partner? ) But just a few questions 1. Please give details about dancing with her:
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Christy is a very good dancer. I took some swing lessons a few years back and it seemed appropriate at the time. I have enjoyed Christy's company from the first day we met. She is energetic and extremely hardworking. The night we went swing dancing was my final night in the Amazon. I knew I was going to be voted off and was very happy to have fire watch with Christy as a time to make peace or soften any ill feelings that she might have had towards me due to me giving her a vote in ep 8. (i think that was Roger's episode?) We spent a few hours chatting about small things. She asked about my job and what I did to which I replied with (I am sure she was bored to death) my sketchbook, pen and free body diagrams. After "rocket science" 101, we started talking about our interests which then lead to dancing and finally the Chisty/Dave swing dancing moment. we did some twirls and turns until butch woke up, came over, and told us that it was his turn to show her some real moves. That lead to a day long joke between Butch and myself on who was the better dancer.

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it was the first fire watch that we did together. At Tambaqui, we didnt do firewatches. Enough people woke up at night that people would throw logs on whenever. If we did do a firewwatch, we always did it solo. I think some worries about wildlife coming into our camp at Jacare developed so the two person firewatch was instigated. It was a spontaneous moment, there is no reason why it couldnt have happened earlier if the situation developed.

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Tina rocks. I hung out with her this weekend. I am a Elizabeth fan cuz she had the interview before me on callbacks before the Outback season. I met Amber briefly at the finale but not enough to get a good feel. Big shouts to Lex and his family. His kids are great and his wife cracks me up like Mambers self-inflicted bashings. off to finish work and head home. nuf for monday

go ducks!

go MER launch manana!

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As for craziest thing done for some tail, I have used some spur of the moment lines, flown a girl cross country, and slept in some of the most uncomfortable positions with hopes of producing a larger smile in the morning. ahh, the younger years....

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1. O.A.R. Any Time Now (Second CD in box set)
2. Moby, Play
3. Metallica, Binge and Purge CD #1
4. Swingers soundtrack
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the point of the question was to have Matt and Jenna admit they had been deceptive, back stabbing, and dishonest throughout the game. Their selfish actions propelled them to the final two slots. Unfortunately, Burnett cut the second part of the question which was my explanation on how bullshit their answers were. As for me I think ALex Lowe has always been a hero. He set his goals high, did not let anybody stop his path, and although he ending up dying on the mountain (analogous to my torch being extinguished) he did so with a sense of adventure, being himself, and enjoying and making the most of every moment

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Mark 2: 2
Mark 3: 25
Mark 4: 26
Mark 5: 26
Mark 6: 5
Mark 7: 11
Mark 8: 21
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I am back. There is no restriction on posting. I just have a whole 'nother life and sometimes I can read and work at the same time not just post.....

Where was I????? I am 5'3" and 3/4 and I am still down 27 of the original 30 fatage poundage. Enough on me......

Hostility and the reunion: I would be not sooo truthful if I were to say that there was not some lingering something there with some. But as to separation, that has to do with how we went out on stage. The jury went first on stage and then the others joined us for the reunion part. Production separated us because of logistical problems (with the switching of studios) and the non jury members did red carpet stuff first. I cannot speak for others but I have no lingering anything.

Butch and the fire: Having reviewed the tapes and overheard some conversations....it appears that when Butch put on the last piece of wood, the flying embers ignited the fire. But I was not there....so I can only speculate.

Anti Jenna popularity: Here is my opinion for what it is worth..... The editing for the most part, is accurate with maybe some minor exceptions.....and they are subtle. When you first meet Jenna you get the impression that she is aloof maybe a little standoffish and definately "young". But when you get to spend time with her and get to know her you find out about this whole, complete, and very caring person. No time to show that side of her on TV and probably boring. So the audience sees really only one side. In this day and age people are looking for role models, the Christies, people who are strong and will stand up for themselves not get naked for food. They like the Matts, the strong, hard working types. Crud I think even I had a higher popularity rating than Jenna. Why, becasue people want to see you earn their respect for what you do and who you are not necessarily for getting naked. They want role models for today's children. 9/11 gave us all a new perspective on heros and jenna does not fit that model (no pun intended). But to those of us who were out there...she gained our respect and our friendship and she is worthy to be called sole survivor. And no I will not go into the whole Matt vote again.

Religion: Joanna was not the only person who believed in Christ. I did as well. I was not the perfect role model, far from it. But I did not hide this fact either. I was the first to ask Joanna to pray obver our meals and I openly discussed religious topics with just about everybody. It just never became an issue with me or around camp probably because I did not sing, nor would you want me to sing. I will admit that my faith took some serious hits as a result of being on the show.

Finally: Note to the person claiming to be Kerry Clyde Martin....if it really is you I am glad that you do not hold anything against me because I was simply a facilitator of God's will. I hope that your faith in God has been renewed and I hope that you continue to pray for the many girls that you molested because their lives were never the same. For anybody else that cares.....this was one of the hardest cases of my career and one of the most celebrated in Riverside county (look it up)

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Faith hits: As Davey has pointed out, I drank quite a bit, listened to music I probably shouldn't have, and started to swear whole bunches..... I wanted to leave but could not and I was upset that I was wasting my time on a game that I really was no longer a part of. I wanted to be at home with my family and I had to stay. I became angry and hostile and downright antagonistic. i learned that I need my faith, my God, and the church to keep my sanity and my priorities right.

Playboy: I knew.......when or how and how much is my secret. How do i feel? I cannot speak for either of the girls, but I would not do it even if they offered, (which of course they would not) for a milion dollars.

Oh for crying out loud.....I would have voted for Rob over Jenna

My Boot: Have you been paying attention???? Yes I knew. You can't hide disappointment, the shock of feeling like a looser when he snuffs out your torch, or the feeling like you are this huge moron. More importantly I felt like I let my family down. Ask Jenna or Heidi and they will tell you I asked them point blank to tell me that I was going and neither would. I stated in a confessional that I was going home and it saddened me. I was beaten by a whole bunch of people. Who they are or what they do for a living doesn't really matter. I certainly do not think it reflects on my abilities as a prosecutor. You get angry at yourself for awhile back at Looser Lodge and then something magical happens....you drink yourself into oblivion and drown your sorrows in stupid music...then you go home. When I went back to work and looked at the cases I was handling and realized if I can just touch the life of one child then that is all that matters. Afterall...it is just a game. My satisfaction, comes from the privledge of playing not winning. But it took coming home for me to realize that. KOM over in sucks said that I should have been aborted at birth, I think there are a few kids out there who disagree.... So how did it feel to be duped in front of millions...pretty sucky at the moment it happened and again when it happened on tv....... Thankfully I am really good at turning the page

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I always thought I would get a tattoo, but I havent found a symbol which I feel will fit me for the rest of my life. I wouldnt want to throw down with something trivial leading to regrets later on.

Piercings are cool. I cant think of a place I would get it though. Everything seems to have been done already. I was thinkin of poppin one thru my nip, but I got worried about having it catch on things and get ripped out.

In conclusion:

Tattoo - 0
Piercings - 0
cool scar - faint vertical line on right side belly from a test of gravity 25ft up in a tree and an unfortunate encounter with a bees nest

The stories of bad dates and crazy locations are intriguing and highly entertaining. I havent relaly had a horrible dating expereince... well, this one girl started throwing my cd's that she didnt like across the living room. After getting a tad pissed, she commented, "come on dave, you know you like it."

hmmm, note to world, don't come to dave's house and try to hardball me. needless to say, the rest of the night snowballed into oblivion.

rumor has it that there may have been a little mid afternoon rendevous in a climbing gym with a significant other at that time. certainly something to put a smile on your face for a good while.

ducks lost, bummer

MER rover took off flawlessly, awesome

animals rock

flaws (among many): I get overextended at times. too many things going on and not dedicating enough time to the important ones

snack food: cheetos (especially the crunchy kind so you can get all teh crap stuck in your fingers, love that stuff), wheat thins, guacamole

go attack flipflops. never leave home without them

jeah

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Mark 10 (new!) is the Shawna (shasha) posts at SurvivorFire (she didn't want to participate in the gang posting at Sucks):

http://www.survivorfire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=16176&forum=233&0

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aaaaaa!!! what's going on, ladies and gents!?! i am stoked about the lifting of the gag-order so i can finally say hi to guys i've been dying to send my regards for months now. btw, this is shawna.

first off, i just wanted to throw out there right off the bat how amazing and supportive you all were on these boards. you guys were so kind, so awesome, so completely bad*ss through this whole experience. to say the least, you were the understanding ear when everyone else just wanted to hear themselves talk.

but seriously, thank you so much jodaar, loca, mini smurf, and all you guys... your ability to look beyond what is spoon-fed you in life is such a strong testament to your strength in character and your belief in others. i am truly flattered and honored that you all took the time to try to understand me and embrace the show's characters.

so pleeeease feel free to contact me if ya like i'd love to chat with you guys. throw me your best at survivor_pigpen@yahoo.com. in case you are wondering, pigpen was my nickname in the amazon... long story, explain later

have an amazing night, and thanks again for all your support!!!!!

All the best,
Shawna

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hey guys and gals....

i'm getting some awesome questions on my email, and i'm more than stoked to answer them. so i think my deal is going to be that i'll post the answers to the questions here because there are some repeats understatement lol.... i promise i'll write you guys back personally, but i hope you don't mind the Q/A's posting thing.

so if i haven't said it enough, you guys are awesome.... hope you all are having an amazing time sucking in the beginning of summer and laughing incessantly

all the best,
shawna

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i hope you enjoyed the season. it was crazy to see how it all played out on tv. the finale was unbelievable amounts of fun too. to answer your questions though, the game was ridiculously hard. i fancy myself quite the outdoorswoman (i'll go camping for weeks and not even think twice), but my butt was handed to me those 39 days

the hardest part of Survivor is the down time. the challenges are great... but there is 18 hours a day where you just sit there doing the same busy work all day, every day... you have to dip into your mind/will every 5 minutes to avoid insanity. sometimes you are strong, sometimes you are discouraged, sometimes all you want to do is give up (and sometimes you make the mistake of telling your tribemates. d'oh!)... the moods you go through out there are CRAZY to say the least. i cannot tell you how many people would crack about picking up firewood, tending fire, etc. it is a tedious, nerve-racking, amazing adrenaline rush that will change your perspective forever. i have no idea how i got picked... but i thank everything in the world that i had that chance.

Which bring me to the next answer... the way i viewed it is that a person can play Survivor as a game or they can play it as life. I chose life... the deal there is that though you get to harness the personal lessons from the game, you make yourself vulnerable emotionally (clue: the super worst thing you can do in a game of matching wits. ha!). i wouldn't have played differently for a million years though. i learned soooooooo much about myself and really really got to know my tribemates. at 23, i needed those lessons... i needed no safety net, no support... i needed the me v. myself to really mature. and it happened... which is awesome not to say i am ridiculously mature now... hope i never am... it keeps things fun. lol....

as for the relationships i developed out there: sorry to say, alex and i are not dating. however, we are great friends and hang out every week (we live like 3 miles from each other). with dave being an LA kid too, i see him a great deal -- he is awesome. hmmmm... others i keep in touch with... everyone really. just two days ago i was sitting on the sunset strip in LA with dave, alex, and jenna.... and we called butch at 2 am east coast time (i'm sure he loved that)!! and just two weekends ago, jeanne and i met up in vegas and partied there for a few days. i am extremely close with jeanne ... and matt too!! matt is soooo great. i adore that guy -- hands down the most genuine person in the amazon. i also chat w/ robaru (rob c) a bunch. going out to dinner with rog in a week.... as you can tell, we are all such such such different eccentric cats, but you go thru something like Survivor and you are bonded like none other

last question: the Pigpen deal -- because i was sick, my job was fire/water 24/7... which basically meant that i was sitting in ashes every second of my life there. i could not (repeat) COULD NOT stay clean for the life of me. the camp joke was that you could dip me in the river and i'd come out dirty. it would take 0.42 seconds for me for the soot to jump of me. when i passed out a bunch in the beginning of the game (another pasttime of mine.. passing out for minutes straight), i would come to and jeanne would just be wiping wads of garbage i had stuck to my face. essentially, i got the nickname Pigpen because clouds of dirt used to throw parties for me when i came close

alright, i gotta run. hope you all are doing amazing. talk to you later!

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shasha
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dude, i have no idea who brought the granola bar. but i'll tell you what, i have a bone to pick with who ever did... they had the poorest choice of snacks. a mango bar?!?!? why not a snickers huh? lol.... that whole situation was ridiculous and lame. i don't think anyone is stupid enough to bring it in the game, and i know the producers would never in a million years plant anything in the game either.

the way i felt was.. who cares... lots of people stressing about something that wasn't even eaten. that was the theme of the girl's tribe though: drama. lots and lots of drama... i am a very chill kid. the amount of martyr-ing that went on in that tribe drove me insane.

what a bum wrap for janet too, huh? this woman did not bring it in. deena, etc. peg her as the person and all of a sudden the world thinks she is a cheater... it's kinda sucks if you ask me. ah... the beauty of reality tv lol....

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shasha
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quick answer and then i'm getting some tasty food with a buddy:
my top was from express' spring '03 line. i saw it and instantly was like "i win".... scoreboard me=1, them=0 lol... as for the necklace, i made it (i make most my jewelry... one of my hobbies).

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shasha
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you guys ready for super long post??? sorry guys... i just started replying and when i looked up, waaalaa...
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Question #1
The first thing i've wondered for awhile...how do you or anyone really deal with seeing what other people say or had said about you once the shows air on tv? How do the survivors seem to get over that stuff so quickly and stay extremely close with most of the people on the show?

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uggg... totally hard part of the game. i'm 23. as much as i would looooove to say that when people talk crap about me or when the nation thought i was pathetic that it did not hurt me... it totally did. i was crushed for a while. but learned a sweet lesson through it all that i really need to trust myself and the people who actually know me inside-out and backwards.

in the game, the number thing you realize is how much family and friends are the only important thing you need for survival. as cheezy as it is... you would be amazed what you're body can do to compensate for hunger, dehydration, etc.... but there is a serious void of all voids in your heart when you are denied a support structure (another reason survivor is an incredibly vicious game the idea that all you want is someone to lean on or laugh with... and everyone is trying to eat each other alive). eg -- i vividly remember when i would pass out for 5-10 min straight and i would come to realizing people were just stepping over me and not even giving a helping hand up (jeanne and heidi were rocks stars... they would always try to give me a lift). it is hard to look at them as a friend after that, but what i had to remember is that it's a game... and they are playing it differently than me. we all have a bond from playing the game... who knows how our friendships will pan out in the long-run.

so to wrap up my novel of rambling tangents, my portrayal was a hard one to stomach... but the lessons i picked up were invaluable, ones that i doubt i would have gained for many many years to come. so when it comes down to it, i'm proud about what i did out there, and actually couldn't be more pleased with the hand i was dealt. and the truth was that i didn't feel bad about the game until the press/audiences/show got ahold of me... and i just had/have to keep reminding myself that only i know what went on for me out there...

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Did you watch all of the episodes or was it just too bittersweet to see?

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great question.... totally haven't gotten that one yet. i watched all the episodes, but picked my location wisely. eg -- i totally know ep. 4 was going to be a hard one to watch so i watched it with one friend... and it was a harsh one to watch. i can remember every emotion i went through and starting having flash backs to a lot of harsh moments. it was hard, but made me stoked to see what i had done.

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shasha
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that's an easy one... if i could play with someone from another season, i'm sooo playing with kelly g and kim p. biased answer of course being that they are two close friends of mine. they'd make any survivor experience absolutely hilariously fun. in the end, i think kelly would win though.. she is one of the most intelligent people i have ever come across.

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shasha
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man, the first thing i had when i got off was 3 snickers bar and a beer. jeanne and the crew had thrown a beach bonfire party when they found out i was off. we danced all night and laughed. then i threw up the whole night because my body couldn't figure out what a snickers was... woke up the next morning... had two more snickers and a jar of peanut butter. lol...

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trialdawg
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Sheesh! So it is good to see you all engaging in healthy political discussion about the present state of the legal system. I am a firm believer in the legal system. Do I think innocent people get convicted on occasion in some parts of this country? Yes. I do not however think that only innocent people get convicted in Texas. I reject quite a number of cases that come into my office for prosecution. I have, on occasion dismissed cases that have been filed because either 1) the person was innocent, 2) I could not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, or 3) prosecution was not in the best interests of justice. So there are my thoughts on that subject.

Where did Heidi fit into this whole Deena scheme: I probably would have tried to get rid of her next. There was too much power between Jenna and Heidi --- they were a voting block. My allegiance was always with Jenna and I wanted to go to the final three with her.....but by this time I also really respected and liked Christy so I was in a quandry as to the finals....but then again why speculate since it never happened.

I wanted In and Out burger more than anything in the world.

MGF: When did I say that Matt took a spot? What is the Christy thing???? Yes you can do to us what you will but I will never go away....I find the social dynamics of this whole board fabulous.

Festival: I am not going because I have a rape trial starting and following that a special circumstance murder case.

Jenna maturity: I disagree, I think that Jenna has matured quite a bit in the time since the first episode has aired. It is hard to have 20 million people bag on you and not see your own actions for what they are worth. She has acknowledged responsiblity for her actions while on the show. More importantly, she has been posting at Sucks and I think that takes some serious juevos to argue with you all.

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shasha
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hey guys... happy monday. here's some blurbs from other email i have gotten and the postings....
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what it was like in front of the cameras -- by day 2, you wouldn't notice if the camera men were playing strip poker. they become white noise sooooooooo fast. nobody speaks to you except for an occasional interview from a producer. it is a super huge no-no to have any interaction with the camera kids. there are reminders that they are watching though (eg. bathing nude in the amazon, waking up with a boom and a lens in your face. ha!) though i am sure they kick *** in person, i never got a chance to meet them until after the game (then only briefly). however, i would like to say for the record that they are 100% more hardcore than the survivors. one of the rules in the amazon is that with every step off-trail, you need to hit the bushes around it so that no snakes or crazy animals decide to make you brunch. the cameramen... nope... if survivors took off and they wanted a shot, these dudes were diving through bushes and running in the amazon (believe me, if you knew where we lived, these peeps are INSANE)

about jeanne poisoning us... yeah... the food was like that. we knew we were eating maggots, mold, mildew, worms... we were too hungry to care. jenna and i actually enjoyed it weirdly enough. they tasted like corn cakes lol.... jenna is so awesome though... which brings me to my next question.

jenna is incredible. they picked one side to show of her on tv and never let up on her or heidi (or any of us for that matter... they only have the time to develop one side of everyone). jenna was one of the mentally strongest individuals in the game. she deserves all money that came her way. her composure when i was around was absolutely remarkable. she also had one of the only senses of humor out there.... she was my outlet for "real" conversation within the game. i knew she had to vote against me, and i told her pre-TC6 that she didn't have to tell me who she was voting. for her own sake, she needed to vote with deena. it was between matt and i to go, there was no choice for her. they kept matt because they were worried that there was not going to be a merge. i understood... sorta... i'm really happy though that matt went on and started handing everyone their *ss. he played a tough game. shoot... totally off-track now... jenna. jenna is incredible. she is a sensitive, wonderful person who could make anyone a good friend. while in the amazon, i considered her my closest friend... and now, she is one of the only ones i really make a daily effort to keep in touch with...

the probst question -- HOW PHENOMENAL IS HE AT HIS JOB?!?!?!?!? seriously, this man rocks. he is cool, chill... very private life guy.. which i respect w/ all the fame that he could be playing up. that man is very awesome.

am i going to do allstars? honey, i would doubt that my name would be pulled for that i love that you guys support me, but realistically, i'm going with them not picking the girl who they were worried about quitting. lol... if the offer was extended to me, i'd have to think real hard about it. but seriously, i don't think i would at this moment. years down the line, who knows.

who i really "know" from SF... survivormom2003 is my mom (she beat me to the draw in saying hi to you cats), elizabethtafeen... I TOTALLY BABYSAT!!! it blew me away to see her here the first time i checked it. i was her and her incredible friends camp counselor f-o-r-e-v-e-r. jodaar ... i contacted him shortly after my boot episode and thanked him personally for his support and his website. he helped me thru some tough times in the last few months. unending support... he has become a good friend.

as for "is it really you? prove it"... i will post some pics for you guys that will get rid of this skepticism what pics do you want to see??? lol...

alright, i just quit my job on friday, so i am around. lol... chillin in San Fran actually. i don't start my new one for a week or two, so feel free to throw things my way. it'll keep me entertained so i don't start talking to my dog too much

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shasha
SURVIVOR SHAWNA

Joined: Apr 23, 2003
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q1: why'd i vote christy in TC4 and did you really want out (if so, why?)? the christy vote: simple really... let's be honest, i wanted out. christy was the answer by process of elimination. i couldn't vote for joanna because i would be hanging out for another 3 days. i didn't want to vote against anyone in my alliance (i felt bad enough that i put them in their current position). jeanne was the only person who was actually looking out for me when i would pass out, etc... so there is no way i was putting her name down for personal reasons. it left me with christy. she wasn't going to get any other votes (essentially throwing my vote to the wind), and i even told her beforehand about my reasoning... she completely understood. so that's that. not my most shining personal moment, but i did what i thought i had to do. in trying to quit that game, i was making a decision that was good for me, but was bad for everyone else. i was very sick both mentally and physically. i lost 20 lbs. in one week (30 lbs. in all). i hadn't gone to the bathroom (1 or 2) in 18 days. i had woman issues for 22 days straight and i was clinically dehydrated. the million dollars to me seemed intangible and totally not worth ruining the only body and mind i was given. and that my friends is the story about my quitting.

q2: why did i offer myself in ep6 to be on the chopping block? ... because it was the right thing to do. as much as i kicked and screamed getting there, i was there because deena and jenna pushed me. thankful to no end for the new experiences, attitude and personal relationships, the fact was that i would have rather seen myself go than them. though i knew they were not loyal to me, it just felt like the right thing to do. they were playing the game... i was playing life... and as far as i saw it, at that point, i had already won.

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trialdawg
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(6/20/03 6:28 pm)
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I like original best -- why does this matter??

Pre-game stuff -- I had seen Matt previously, briefly and from a distance. I saw them all.... but we had no verbal interaction with each other ever. I was with him on the boat when we were cruizing down the Rio Negro. You take every opportunity to size up your competition and to me he was clearly the strongest and appeared to be the most adaptable to the environment...so there you have it he was my pick as the person to beat.

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trialdawg
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(6/20/03 6:42 pm)
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Thanks! Nope no advice.....those questions are posed by the interviewers in the interviwing process and in the apps. They see if you are in the type of shape to make it. I was 45 pounds overweight but I still competed in triathlons... So they had no issue with my weight. I did nothing to prepare for my time. I couldn't I was in trial up till the time I left.

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jennaconda
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Posts: 72
(6/19/03 9:29 am)
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HEY!
Roger does not know me at all. He knew me for two days. He is just being stupid. I came on Survivor to win a million dollars-that is it. Playboy was a bonus.
So Roger can kiss my ass with those stupid comments.

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jennaconda
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(6/19/03 10:01 am)
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Hey!
Me and Matt burned some of the things at camp for closure. We thought it would be a cool way to put an end to the game. And fire was our life line, so it just seemed right. And we did not burn tree mail, we burned the mail guy and lots of little sutff that was around camp.
J

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jennaconda
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Posts: 81
(6/20/03 1:48 pm)
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Hey~
First of all. I did not say for Matt to "get the fu$k over it." I said that to anyone that whines about what is being said. And from what I have heard from Matt he is not to bothered by peoples opinions. He can move on past that.
Second, I do not want or desire the respect of anyone who does not respect me. I am not trying to gain repsect from the Mattheads. I will never say I did not deserve to win. So I will not answer that question again.
I do admire Christy in alot of ways. I learned alot from her and we have been speaking through e-mail. She is great and I can't wait to see her in Omaha.
I did not plan for the whole game that me and Heidi would do Playboy. And about the naked food thing, I did say in a joking way I would do anything for food. But, I did not plan that whole thing out. Do you guys believe everything Roger says? I say again you can't know someone in two days.
~And for the last time my parents are behind me 100% in the Playboy thing.
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jennaconda
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(6/20/03 10:02 pm)
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Hey!
About Matt being popular. I think that is great for him, I am not jealous at all. He is a nice guy.
~Playboy.
There are many reason I did it. It was an offer I would of kicked myself 5 years from now if I did not do it. It was also me and Heidi doing it-it was a chance to do something together as best friends. We knew it would be done well and we are both very confident and risk-takers, at least I am.
And the whole "15 minutes" thing. I am not sure who started that, but what is wrong with doing as much as you can while you can. I don't call it 15 minutes I call it opportunity.
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jennaconda
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(6/20/03 10:20 pm)
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Me and Christy did make peace. I went up to her the first night we were in NY and told her that I was sorry for what I said and did, and that I admire her alot. I said I want to put that all behind us and she agreed. We have talked through e-mail and will see each other in Omaha.
Ask her if you want but it is true. To everyones surprise I am a nice person until you burn me. We were both at fault for the bad start we had during the game.
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shasha
SURVIVOR SHAWNA

Joined: Apr 23, 2003
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first off, you guys are hilarious... what are you yapping about in the last few posts? lol... awesome.

btw, i totally forgot to thank you guys about Member of the Week!!!!! THAT IS SO AWESOME!!! i feel so honored! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

i'll post some answers tomorrow in response to some of the more popular questions that i have received over e-mail/boards... but right now, i am falling asleep. have a good night!

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shasha
SURVIVOR SHAWNA

Joined: Apr 23, 2003
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1) what did i think about in the amazon? easy... my family, my dog... and how much i love the people in my life in san fran.

2) Heidi... am i still girls with her? totally. we chat whenever we get a chance. hopefully i'll see her in the middle of july. her portrayal on tv absolutely sucked and did no justice to her compassionate, sweet side. she really is a nice person who couldn't hurt a fly. one of the only "human" people in a pretty superficial game.

3) if i had to pick 5 cds, what would they be?
(1) Counting Crows -- Across A Wire, Disc 2
(2) Dispatch -- Bang!Bang!
(3) John Mayer -- Room for Squares
(4) Cruel Intentions Soundtrack
(5) Fiona Apple -- Tidal
Runner-ups:
Miles Davis
The Clash
James Taylor
basically... give any guy a guitar and some chill music, and i'm game

i'll write more later, but the stanford/rice championship is on. hope you guys are doing amazing!

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shasha
SURVIVOR SHAWNA

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hey guys!! hope you all are out having fun (wishing that i didn't need to pack for moving day tomorrow. my night is getting swallowed up by tedious bubble wrapping). so anyway, i thought i'd drop ya a line with some answers to your questions to take a break:

1) favorite movies? (in no real order) shawshank redemption, moulin rouge, chariots of fire, bridget jones' diary, everest, office space

2) roger and his portrayal? love the man. he every bit of the "survivor of life" he claims. he is in no way shovanistic... the opposite actually. he values women and is more chivalristic than 90% of the men i know. he can be a tough man to understand (it took me halfway thru our vacation together to catch onto that one), but once a person can open their mind enough to dig for the root of his expressions, arguments, etc... i think anyone could learn very powerful lessons from him. jeff probst once called him a mentor... i wish the audience could have seen more of his genius

3) funniest things in the amazon? here's one for ya... there was this one time coming back from the meat challenge where we were walking back to camp. so apparently during this walk, a producer started dry heaving and had to put a buff over his face... not because of anything environmental, but because of us. we all smelled so badly that the poor guy started getting sick.... personally, i would have laid money on the fact that i smelled like lillies

4) the ohio charity? arg! i would LOVE to go, but i cannot. my bro's belated 21st bday party is that weekend, and i wouldn't miss it for the world. i'm around though... i'll be doing an event with lex and alex on july 3rd in vallejo, ca. i'll keep you updated if i do any more events.

5) along that line, people have asked about the omaha thing. i wish i could do that too, but there is limited room for survivors and unfortunately it is all filled up. bummer... maybe next year

6) best friend in the amazon? jenna... hands down. since day 1, the two of us were very cool. i was also very close with jeanne. we have a lot in common and really enjoyed each other's company.

7) my nickname shasha? yeah... had that as a nickname for a long time. my sister's nickname is rinny (kerrin being her real name). my brother's is "d-mo" (derek being his real name)-- i have no idea who came up with them. in our family, we have about ten new nicknames for everyone every week. these are the ones that just stuck around i guess. examples of other names previously given are "squirrel bait," and the always endearing "worm breath," ... you get the point. we tend not to take ourselves too seriously. lol...

alright, back to packing. hope the rest of your weekend is awesome. take care...

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trialdawg
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(6/23/03 2:47 pm)
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BLP: What is the real meaning of Survivor: MB's little fantasy world of F***ing with people's lives ....really if you come right down to it. He controls the action----what you get b4 the start of the game----what type of food you get during the game----the types of challenges there are---what time of the year you go to your location. He calls it a great social experiment and it is but really he gets more entertainment out of it than anyone....you the tv viewers get a brief look at the humorous and pathetic side of human nature...but only what he wants you to see. But I still think he is an amazing person and has created a fantastic show, brilliant. I have stated repeatedly that this was not a true representation of who we are because under normal circumstances under normal conditions we would not act like this...but upon further reflection I must say does it not reveal the true nature of our character??? I think to some degree it does. Strip away the comfort and conveniences of this world and this is what you get...some are whiny, some are egotistical...but deep down we are all vulnerable.

I do not think MB altered his editing because of the Chillone spoilers. I think he portrayed Jenna and Matt in exactly the light he wanted exactly as they were on the "island". This was a battle of the sexes with the strongest of all batteling it out in the end with the weakest of all. I think the editing was right on......Jenna acted like a spoiled rotten brat on occassion and Matt worked tirelessly to provide for the tribe and also alienated himself from the other tribe members. So what were you the viewers left with...the one you hated, Jenna and the one you loved, Matt. MB did not really need to work any of his Magic because they naturally did it for him.

I have been following your theories on air time confessionals and I think under normal circumstances this would be a good indication of how a character's life was playing out. Except that Rob and I were used repeatedly because we were good historians, good for one-liners. So at least for S-7 you have to keep in mind if someone is a chatter box they may use them just because of entertainment value not because they are attempting to develop a line to the winner.

KFC: I must edit my original statement, my favorite is the chicken tenders right now because I order it with my boys all the time...I think that they are extra crispy...I have not ordered original in a long time.

Shawna: For the most part she is correct. Jeanne was the first to wash her face of dirt and Jeanne was the one who helped her up when she fell. But that is not the complete story by any means. Jenna and Heidi were very concerned over her health. I had to convince them to keep her in the game when she so desperately wanted out. If you look at some of the photos you will see that we spent a lot of time with her in the shelter talking to her trying to cheer her up. I did not want her out of the game. I told her that I would not vote for her when Joanna left...I was the only one that told her the truth on that one. I did everything I could to lessen the workload for her...I told her to do nothing. I wanted, at least initially, to keep that alliance complete. Shawna no longer wanted to. Yes I was skanky and did not help her as much as I should have. But I was disgusted because I did not feel she was doing all she could to get physically better. I knew she was hurting because of the dehydration and she would not drink. That is simply because she was done, mentally. I am a different personality...if there is a problem, fix it...I don't get into the touchy feely aspects of human nature. I could have been kinder and more understanding...but coulda, shoulda, woulda...I can only try to do better next time.

Playboy: Roger v. Jenna-- who is right, I don't know. Jenna, Heidi and Shawna and all of us talked about it at Jaburu. The thoughts came up and I know they agreed it might be fun if the price was right. It was talked about again at Jacare. Both said they would for the right sum of money. Roger never said not to do it...what he said is he would not want his daughters doing it but he could see others wanting to do it for personal reasons. He encouraged them to think about it before doing it because it would reflect on them forever. I knew about it at the finale. Here are my thoughts: If I looked like either one of them I would not, not for a million dollars, but that is because I my own personal convictions, because of my duties, ethics and responsibilities to my God, my husband and to my job. I can be responsible for nobody else but me. I respect their decision and will not second guess or trash talk the girls.

Pre-game training: Can't go there, I can neither confirm nor deny any such training.

JDI: I do not take any personal pleasure beating up on anybody. I prefer to go against the best of the best because then justice is being served, nothing is being held back and the defedant gets the best defense possible. Believe it or not that is often public defenders or the conflict portion of the PD's office.

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trialdawg
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(6/24/03 1:32 pm)
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Woodstock Sorry to be a pain here..but me telling you about what did and did not happen in the pre-game is not worth 5 million dollars.....unless you want to write me a check...check my earlier posts on this subject.

Matt and strength: He was kept around because he provided well for the tribe and worked really hard...but he was always on the chopping block for his physical strength.

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trialdawg
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MGF: Define real and define stars. I can honestly say we were all real, otherwise why would there be so much to crap on. And are anyone of us stars? I don't think so. I too wish the rest would post but some are concerned because you all have been a little mean in the past...gosh where could they have gotten that from?

I wasn't bragging about keeping Matt around, I was informing. FTR (for the record) it is true..I did convince the others to keep him around...check out Shawna's departure episode and Matt's own statements.

travel: How did we get to and from challenges and tribal council? We paddled in a 1200 pound canoe that never seemed to move.

Pre-Game stuff: I can't talk about it because I was told not to and I will not violate that contract. I don't care if you agree or disagree. Has it been spoiled? Some yes..but Chill One is not accurate on a lot of his stuff, in fact some of it is very misleading. So I cannot and will not comment on it and that is all I can say on that point. Sorry.

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trialdawg
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(6/25/03 7:39 pm)
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MGF: I guess it just depends on your definition of deplorable. What? That we on occassion told you how we felt? To try and explain the vote...to try to help you see the game from our perspective? Nope can't make all people happy at the same time. I cannot state that anybody's feelings are wrong, why? Because they are afterall your feelings. Stealing cookie crumbs deplorable??? Come live in my F'ed up world just for a minute. Where kids are getting screwed and spouses are getting killed...this is the crap that I live with everyday. I am guessing that during the course of your life you screw up on a regular basis..who judges you???? We chose to put ourselves out there to play in the game of a lifetime. We deserve the comments, mostly. But do not expect us, or at the very least me, not to fight back. But FTR, I am not offended by any of your thoughts or comments...keep them coming...negative or positive...i shall receive them all with an open mind. Afterall, I do love a good debate. (I just wich I could cut and paste darn it!)

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trialdawg
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(6/25/03 7:49 pm)
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Seriously, why do you watch Survivor? The Brady Bunch is on TVLand everynight.

I too believe in a sense of fair play and justice...but the game is not about that is it??? Nice guys do not tend to finish first...ask Butch.

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trialdawg
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(6/26/03 1:46 pm)
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So what is it about this season that drew so much of the cast to Sucks?
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Because as the seasons progress you are going to get more and more people applying who are addicted to the game. It is just natural, albeit unhealthy, to come back to the place that got you started.

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trialdawg
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2) Since Heidi and Jenna couldn't talk to you while S6 aired, they couldn't tell you that they were going to be in Playboy. Were you surprised when they told you? And were you surprised when they told you how soon they were going to do the shoot and how soon it came to press?
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I do not know about Rob and ASS, I will ask but I am sure that I wil not be able to tell you even if he was. I was not surprised that they did the shoot becasue we talked about it quite a bit. I was surprised to find out they were doing it so quickly aftr the finale but it make sense. As for press release..it had to be quick because of the air dates for S7 and they need to ride on the public viewership...what better time to do it than right away. I do not know any of the details but I am guessing that the shoot has been in the works with CBS for awhile.

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trialdawg
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Wow what a Q...how to answer that one???? Well, I noticed that Rob and I got a lot of air time but like I said before I think it was because of the one liners. I noted that somebody in here....Tigeranne?....talked about how I was getting too much air time and I was likely to go soon. I don't think that is necessarily true in this episode. I do know that they portrayed me as very strong and bitchy from the beginning and then it got stroger as my boot got closer. In this particular show I thinik especially on the female's side there really was a lot to poop on and little time to air it all. For example: I was surprised they did not air the big fight at tribal counsel between Joanna and Christy when Janet left. Joanna put the hand up and said Christy no longer existed as a person and Christy had a mini emotional breakdown..the whole thing was very heavy. My other surprise was how they did not air a lot of personal talks between the women at Jaburu....Jenna and Heidi did get very personal with the others. What I was pleased to see was jenna's brattiness come out....I thought I was the only one thinking that she was getting her way over every little thing. At one point prior to leaving for NY, I even questioned my own vote for Jenna....for like a half a second. But in all, I think everything and everyone was fairly and acurately portrayed. We are who we are.

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trialdawg
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The one thing I never understood during Amazon was...why Shawna? Why didn't you and Jenna vote for Matt?
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Because Shawna was unpredicatable. She was failing, mentally and physically and then she was happy and wanted to stay. She was with us and then voted for Christy when we all voted for Joanna. We did not know where she was going to be in the next three days and her closeness to Alex was overwhelming. I did not trust Alex enough to trust Shawna to make sure I was still in the loop. Shawna was still a physical threat on the challenges but not as strong as Matt. I did trust Matt. Matt was generally the straight shooter. In fact when it came time to vote he told Shawna he was voting for her and confronted Alex about it as well. Matt worked hard and he was close with Rob. That alliance I could trust. It was the right move then and I think it is now.

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shasha
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Joined: Apr 23, 2003
Posts: 26 Posted: 2003-06-23 14:23
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yo guys... how's it going?

amaru... nice to meet you i'm digging these guys. i think i talk to some of them more than my friends in LA. lol...

as for the most recent q's:

1) any two survivors to chill with? girl-wise.... i gotta go w/ kelly and kim. as for the guys JED! no brainer... jed is great. he and i chilled for a while before the whole NY thing. he is awesome. matt and dave are two other guys i could definitely be stranded with...

2) in my spare time? i rarely do survivor stuff contrary to popular belief. i'm never really approached about the whole matter (no playboy offers no photo shoots... unfortunately because my character wasn't very popular, i don't make it on many invite lists either). i spend the bulk of my time with friends.... hanging out, rock climbing, going to yoga, hiking, playing soccer, guitar sessions, trail running, drinking tasty coffee, etc. i am a pretty normal kid really. i love going out, but in all truth, i definitely have a home-body nature. being an identical twin, i really value my private time and love hanging out in quiet coffee shops reading, writing poetry... and art. I LOVE ART... i spend a great deal of time sketching and making jewelry.

hmmm... sorry... my babbling turned this into yet another ridiculously long post.

hope you all had a phenomenal weekend... talk to you soon!

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shasha
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you guys don't creep me out at all... i enjoy hanging with you guys as for amaru, meeting new people is my favorite thing in the world. lol... i am flattered you ask me out.

as for the question: what any other season i would have wanted to be on? easy... season 1. i would have loved to be there in survivor's birth where both the players and the producers are learning the game at the same time, hashing out its problems, rejoicing in its successes. there must have been a great comraderie. At that moment, it was less of an impersonal machine... less about finding the stereotypes and labeling them... it was more about the spirit of adventure and it's effect on the people. seriously, no one had any idea what they were getting themselves into... there must have been this great "what's next?" energy... more time to inhale the environment, more pure. ramble, ramble, ramble... sorry

as for jenna and heidi in playboy.... whatever floats their boat. they got a great offer and took it. as for art, dunno about that one. i believe nude life figures can be art when its composition or shape is put as the shot's first priority... it is hard to acheive that when the focus is on two reality tv figures characters. however, i watched the early show this morning when they posted their pics, and from what i saw, they looked great.

coke v. pepsi? coke... but my pick is usually dr. pepper.

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Mark 9 is on its 148th page with nothing further of interest. It was locked then moved to Purgatory, so the new link to it is:

http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm24.showMessage?topicID=201.topic

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Mark 1, page 55
Mark 2, page 2
Mark 3, page 26
Mark 4, page 32
Mark 5, page 26
Mark 6, page 5
Mark 7, page 12
Mark 8, page 21
Mark 9, page 148
Mark 10, page 15.

Is it just me or does Shawna seem to be the most sane, balanced, well-adjusted young female Survivor this season?

I think there was some interesting sociology occurring among the younger female Survivors. There was an article in Time magazine a while back that described three types of young females, Types A, B, and C. This typing may be of use in analyzing/spoiling future Survivor shows. Here is an application to Survivor 6.

Type A = The cheerleader, sorority queen, basically Miss Popular. Fulfills all of society's (perceived) expectations for young females. This season: Jenna. Jenna was extremely bratty, and used this strategy to get what she wanted (to not do any work, and to gain pity points). Jenna was also voted among the Survivors as the most likely to use sex/attractiveness as a weapon. This behavior is typical of a someone who is used to being admired and fawned over.

Type B = Wants to be acknowledged, praised, and accepted by the Type A. This season: Heidi and Christy. Heidi got the acknowledgment, praise and acceptance of Jenna. Christy did not. Note the behaviors of Heidi and Christy throughout the game. Heidi was constantly prattling about how cool Jenna (and herself!) was, how they were best buds, etc. etc. Note also that it was _Jenna_ who asked Heidi to co-strip for peanut butter, and Heidi quickly accepted. In contrast, Christy constantly brooded ("The cute girls are not accepting me," etc.), was passive-aggressive toward Jenna, cussed out both Heidi AND Jenna when she was booted, but in the finale, mysteriously voted for Jenna to win... In the end, she still wanted that Type A acceptance...

Type C = Basically "outside the box," does not play the Game with Types A and B. Has healthy, supportive friends, and participates in constructive, healthy hobbies and/or sports. Has a positive self-image. This season: Shawna. Note how Shawna deteriorated physically and mentally in the all-female group. Note how Shawna quickly rebounded when the males were brought into camp. She was probably so sick of the dynamics of the all-female group! Additionally, note how the men responded most positively to Shawna--who was described as the "hottest" Survivor, over both Jenna and Heidi. This reflects her healthy self-image, as positive self-image tends to enhance physical attraction.

In conclusion, if Survivor ever does a male/female tribe split again... It may be worth our while to examine the Type A/B/C relationships among the younger women.

Very good analogy and breakdown. Welcome to SB!

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trialdawg
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(7/9/03 3:16 pm)
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On the whole Joanna thing....Do I think she is a horrible person, no. I do think some things were unkind, uncalled for, and down right nasty. But that was in the game and not in real life. She has a wonderful son who is very polite and kind and who has a beautiful smile. I think that in itself reflects on her character as a mother. She is also ripped beyond belief. But in the game, a different person. I am not close and I guess I never was close with Joanna. In fact the only person I got into religious arguments with was Joanna and we listen to and respect the same Biblical teachers. So go figure. I should have verbally intervened the first time when the hand went up and I wanted to but I was fighting the social dynamics of the game. But the girlies did the next best thing, Joanna left the game fairly soon. But here is a credit to Christy, she held no grudges even though Joanna went off on her two times. We had to convince her to vote for Joanna. Christy thought she was strong and worked hard in camp and at fishing. She wanted to vote for either Shawna or Jenna. Shawna because Shawna asked her to vote for her.

Christy and the alliance: Chrsity never really wanted to be in an alliance, but she always voted with us, prior to the merge. I was loyal to Christy and would have stayed with her had I stayed in the game. The great thing she brought to the table was adaptability. Any situation and any harship that hit us, she just rolled with the punches. But he weakness was also that she was independent and wanted to do it her way which eventually cost her the game. I have a tremendous amount of respect for her and I always will.

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trialdawg
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This would be the greatest DVD ever! You have no idea the half of what went on. I think that is why the first episode was sooo long...issues of where to edit. There was the latrine issue, the two fire pit issue, the rain issue plus the two previous issues combined. The burning down our tree issue, the fishing issue, the babacu issue, the location of our site issue, and the crying issue......crap where to begin? So I think it all belongs in a DVD issue...Amazon girls gone nutty!

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shasha
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Joined: Apr 23, 2003
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alright... after a bunch of emails to take this "which survivor are you?"... i finally did. here's my list of people i am suppose to be to the people i am least like -- i apparently am not myself btw
pretty funny...

1. matt
2. dave
3. SHAWNA??
4. butch
5. ryan
6. christy
7. janet
8. joanna
9. deena
10. rob
11. alex
12. heidi
13. jenna
14. roger
15. daniel
16. jeanne ;-( what??! she is last? recount please

so there you go. hope y'all had an incredible 4th! talk to you soon!!

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shasha
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here ya go, guys and gals

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/sel...lient=survivor6

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shasha
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Joined: Apr 23, 2003
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hi guys!

hope you are doing great. i am going on a little vacation (actually i am hanging with jeanne and her fam... and a bunch of friends). i couldn't be more excited. after that, work is bringing me to jackson hole for a while. i'll be back at the end of july. i'll check e-mail/SF occasionally, but i cannot promise anything.

until then, have fun soaking up the summer. i expect everyone to have some killer stories (and a killer tan) by the time i get back lol. take care you guys!

all the best,
sha

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Shasha's link ultimately leads to

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor6/

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Mark 3, page 26
Mark 4, page 32
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Mark 6, page 5
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Mark 10, page 19.

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And Hey, welcome to Blows, LordThane, and a way excellent observation there. Shasha (Shawna) like Roger (another pre-jury boot), doesn't seem interested at all in the politics of post-game explaining the jury vote or whatever, she is very true and cool indeed.

"If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")