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"Ferguson, MO"
Posted by newsomewayne on 08-18-14 at 08:28 AM
What the hell?
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"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by kingfish on 08-18-14 at 09:19 AM
Local police were used. They shot a kid in the streets that had just pulled a minor strong arm robbery. Then they couldn't control the community reaction.

MWRAPS and mounted machine guns used to intimidate crowds increased tensions.

Then the state troopers tried the power of peace. Got looting and Molotov cocktails in return.

State troopers took over, used non-lethal ammunition and tear gas.

Now they are sending in the National Guard.

Next: Predators and hellfire missiles. Napalm strikes. A10 Warthog ground support. Carpet bombing.

I agree, WTF? Ferguson Missouri has some real problems that must have been simmering for some time.

"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by cahaya on 08-18-14 at 01:18 PM
Or next: Confiscate the whole town and send the population off to a reservation somewhere in the midst of the Badlands. Less bloodshed that way.
"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by newsomewayne on 08-18-14 at 02:09 PM
It's worked in the past.

Incidentally, if that did happen, would Dan Snyder someday consider changing the name of his team to the Washington Fergusons?


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"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by kingfish on 08-18-14 at 03:05 PM
Very funny.

To paraphrase, "Would you walk up to a Missourian and call him/her a Ferguson?"

"ATTN: Protestors"
Posted by newsomewayne on 08-20-14 at 08:23 AM
"No justice. No peace." That's the phrase heard over and over again. Your voices have been heard. There will be an investigation. Actually, there will be several. All big, most public.

Now please go home and understand the reverse is also true. "No peace. No justice."

"RE: ATTN: Protestors"
Posted by kidflash212 on 08-20-14 at 08:41 AM
I don't think the protestors will be satisfied with justice. As the facts come out, the police officer's version becomes vindicated. He was first a "good boy", a "gentle giant" - then it was proven he engaged in a strongarm robbery just before the confrontation. They said he didn't assault the officer yet the officer had bruises on his face. The narrative the protestors wanted everyone to believe was he was shot in the back with his hands up but the autopsy report released by Brown's own family prove he was facing the officer and his arms were not up. Justice would be no charges against the officer - what the protestors want is a sacrificial lamb to pay for the injustices they perceive in their own minds.
"RE: ATTN: Protestors"
Posted by dabo on 08-20-14 at 10:49 AM
From what I understand it is outside agitators who are starting the violence at this point. Frustrated as the community of Ferguson is (and deservedly IMO) it would be smart to pull back and give the agitators fewer opportunities, make them create their own opportunities if they want so that the police can crack down on the ones that need to be stopped.
"RE: ATTN: Protestors"
Posted by dabo on 08-20-14 at 01:38 PM
From what I just heard, last night the peaceful protesters were trying to block off and push out the violent agitators.
"Some numbers..."
Posted by cahaya on 08-23-14 at 12:11 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-23-14 AT 07:05 PM (EST)

... about economic inequality.

I wonder if these numbers aren't even more skewed in places like Ferguson.

"Grand Jury decision update"
Posted by newsomewayne on 11-17-14 at 11:57 AM
So, with the Grand Jury decision due out any day now, does anyone want to venture on what the decision will be and how the public will react to that decision?

I'm putting 5-3 odds* on acquittal of Officer Wilson by the GJ.

Reaction will be major "peaceful" protests within 30 minutes of the decision in at least 8 different major cities. These peaceful protests will devolve into "All Hell Breaking Loose" within 2 hrs of the decision in at least 3 of those cities.

*I probably don't know how odds work.

"RE: Grand Jury decision update"
Posted by kingfish on 11-17-14 at 12:48 PM
From what I've read as to what the evidence is, I'll go with no indictment.

And I'll go with peaceful protests peppered with attempts to escalate. I hope and believe that people are tired of the all-out rioting.

And Brown's parents were (last I read) at the UN trying to get them to punish the US justice system for not seeing the incident their way, so that focus of protest will be removed. I understand a parent’s need for revenge, but at some point even they should be able to see this with some objectivity.

"RE: Grand Jury decision update"
Posted by Estee on 11-17-14 at 07:11 PM
No indictment, one riot with scattered looting, numerous pundits patting themselves on the back for weeks and referencing this every time police power is actually abused, forever. The officer in question appears to be a jerk (put mildly), but there isn't enough evidence to bring charges.

The timing continues to bother me. If all the audio backchecks work out to the actual line of events, things went south at about Mach 7. But... not enough for indictment.

"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by dabo on 11-19-14 at 08:12 PM
A well spoken young man.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/11/19/ferguson-activist-justice-is-indictment-for-officer-wilson/
"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by bondt007 on 11-20-14 at 03:20 PM

good grief...
"Grand Jury decision is in"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-24-14 at 10:26 PM
LAST EDITED ON 11-24-14 AT 10:27 PM (EST)

No probable cause exists to indict Officer Wilson on any of the charges.

"Riots follow"
Posted by Estee on 11-25-14 at 07:15 AM
Media, which was basically praying for riots, rejoices.

Also, Hannity blames grand jury decision on the President.

Seriously. And he did it in advance.

"RE: Riots follow"
Posted by dabo on 11-25-14 at 10:06 AM
Whu? Is Hannity now going to accept credit for the decision because he Obama-cursed the jury? His dumb is the dumbest dumb.

The riots were utterly predictable.

"RE: Riots follow"
Posted by Estee on 11-25-14 at 10:40 AM
One of my favorite graveyard parts was Wilson thanking his supporters while being careful to say he hadn't read any comments and so had no idea who they were.

Possibly the best planning of the entire sequence.

"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by Georganna on 11-25-14 at 12:53 PM
The Darren Wilson Grand Jury Record

It is, at 4,779 pages, (sans exhibits and witness/juror names) complete.

The good news is that the font is huge. A wonderful plus for those of us of a certain age ...

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"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by kingfish on 11-25-14 at 01:33 PM
LAST EDITED ON 11-25-14 AT 01:35 PM (EST)

That's a pretty long report for a No-Indictment verdict.

One way to make sure no one really reads the report is to make it 4779 pages long. A hide it in plain sight ploy.

No one, that is, except the paralegals in the law offices of the attorneys which will be involved in the civil cases to follow.

But then, what the heck, everyone already thinks they know what’s in the report, so why bother to read it?

"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by Georganna on 11-25-14 at 01:49 PM
LAST EDITED ON 11-25-14 AT 02:39 PM (EST)

In a normal font, the transcript would probably be about 1/10th of that length.

After about three hours of uninterrupted scanning/reading last evening, I was about 1/3 of the way through it ...

ETA: Here is a more thorough (and longer) compilation of the Grand Jury Record from CNN

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"RE: Ferguson, MO"
Posted by kingfish on 11-26-14 at 12:50 PM
I may give it a whirl tomorrow, after a turkey dinner.

(Yeah, that plan needs revising).