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"Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Snidget on 02-11-13 at 08:09 AM
what

Popes can do that?

So what makes his infirmity so much worse than all the other popes since like the 1400's that he needs to step down?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/11/us-pope-resigns-idUSBRE91A0BH20130211

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"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Estee on 02-11-13 at 09:11 AM
Blame the Jews!

No, the homosexuals!

...the Romani?

*gets list of everyone Hitler Youth ever funneled into the camps*

I'm going to need some extra time here. And by the way? Good riddance.

I have no hope that this drags the Church kicking and screaming into 1946.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kingfish on 02-11-13 at 11:06 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 11:06 AM (EST)

I'm waiting for Obama to blame this on Bush.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 12:56 PM
Maybe he was worn out from shuffling sexual predators around and covering their tracks.

tiny little devil: Bugger!

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Estee on 02-11-13 at 02:16 PM
Oh, please. That's like retiring from politics because you can no longer take the weight of the money being pressed into your hand: if you can't handle the most basic function of the job, you're not ill, you're dead. And the really unbelievable part? You couldn't find anyone willing to pretend you were alive and hold your hand out for you.
"Linguistic fine hair perhaps"
Posted by Molaholic on 02-11-13 at 10:59 AM
Why is this being called a "resignation" and not an "abdication"?
"RE: Linguistic fine hair perhaps"
Posted by Brownroach on 02-11-13 at 11:49 AM
Apparently "resignation" is the term used in Church documents.
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by byoffer on 02-11-13 at 11:55 AM
I was disappointed about the "no flesh at the Grammys" too, but not enough to quit my job!
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 02:10 PM
Benny gets his own private strip shows:


"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 01:37 PM
This is a shock. On one hand, it is a logical decision for someone to step down from a post if they feel they are not capable of the demands of the position. But a Pope is not a CEO, President or Prime Minister who serves at the will of a board of directors or the population of a country. He is chosen by God (according to the dogma), so isn't Benedict defying the will of God by stepping down?

And exactly what is the role of a former Pope? If he disagrees with the new Pope, who are the lay people supposed to follow?


Capn2patch put me in motion!

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 01:49 PM
Their conscience?


Handcrafted by RollDdice
Lacking that, go with Ratzinger. The Hilter youth may be a good way to start.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 02:14 PM
Blasphemy! Then they wouldn't need a pope to tell them what God wants.
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 05:41 PM
Stupid Quaker influence!
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by AyaK on 02-11-13 at 04:59 PM
1) No, he's not "defying God." Canon law makes it clear that a Pope can retire as long as he does so freely and not under coercion:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

2) Pope Benedict XVI would become the "Bishop of Rome Emeritus". The new Pope would be the Bishop of Rome and thus would have supreme authority ranging back to St. Peter and St. Paul.

3) Does anyone actually believe Pope Benedict's statement that he isn't ill? Anyone? Bueller?

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 05:13 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 05:25 PM (EST)

I suspect there is a diagnosis of illness behind this decision. But John Paul II was very ill for a very long time and never resigned. Benedict making this choice is a departure from the traditional ways of the Vatican.

Found this interesting from your link - a Pope does not technically have to be ordained before taking office:

Can. 332 §1. The Roman Pontiff obtains full and supreme power in the Church by his acceptance of legitimate election together with episcopal consecration. Therefore, a person elected to the supreme pontificate who is marked with episcopal character obtains this power from the moment of acceptance. If the person elected lacks episcopal character, however, he is to be ordained a bishop immediately.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Bebo on 02-11-13 at 05:52 PM
I suspect there is a diagnosis of illness behind this decision

He's under doctor's orders not to travel anymore. So that would definitely impede his ability to interact with his flock.

I wouldn't count out Sherer - growing up in Brazil would appeal to the large Latin American Catholic population, while his German lineage could make it easier for the European Cardinals to vote for him.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by AyaK on 02-11-13 at 07:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 07:34 PM (EST)

Cardinal Scherer is certainly a possibility, since I'm convinced that the new Pontiff will come from the ranks of the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization (which, BTW, also includes all the other main contenders).

Personally, I wonder if Pope Benedict XVI might have early stages of Alzheimer's, which might make it impossible to resign the papacy once he could no longer attest that he came to the decision "freely".

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by dabo on 02-12-13 at 00:32 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-12-13 AT 00:45 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-12-13 AT 00:33 AM (EST)

I wonder if Pope Benedict XVI might have early stages of Alzheimer's, which might make it impossible to resign the papacy once he could no longer attest that he came to the decision "freely".

I suppose that's possible. I searched around the web with one question leading to another and so on, and apparently under the Code of Canon Law there is no process (other than a Pope deciding to retire) for removing a Pope from office.

According to one thing I read the Cardinals discussed the issue 600 and some years ago when they were faced with a Pope they were contemplating removing from office, and came to the conclusion that even formally asking a Pope to step down would be an indictment of the Cardinals who installed him in office.

But of course the Vatican has a long history of Popes growing old and feeble in office, has ways of dealing with the problems of having a Pope no longer able to perform the duties of his office. Perhaps what Pope Benedict XVI actually decided was that it would simply not be good for the Church at this time to be in that predicament. If he has Alzheimer's he could still live quite awhile.

"... as Petrus Romanus waits in the wings"
Posted by IceCat on 02-11-13 at 01:56 PM
"RE: ... as Petrus Romanus waits in the wings"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 02:15 PM


"RE: ... as Petrus Romanus waits in the wings"
Posted by kingfish on 02-11-13 at 02:21 PM

Interesting.

That was a pretty involved dream to remember. I often have great ideas in my dreams, and have yet to remember what they are.



To the Shwack shack with you!

"Just For You, Schwackie"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 02:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nouJrREf3iQ
"I had to Google that"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-11-13 at 04:51 PM
and it's another scary foil hat kinda story! Ooo a big pope hat made of foil would really make a statement.
"RE: I had to Google that"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 05:28 PM
tiny little devil: thinking about tiny little things.. like electricity
"... and I had to Google"
Posted by IceCat on 02-14-13 at 06:05 AM

"pope hat made from tin foil"

... and, as always, the Great Internet Mother shall not fail to nourish all who suckle at her great Googly teat:

"... and here's your "
Posted by IceCat on 02-14-13 at 06:30 AM

... Happy Valentines Day gift!

"♥ Oooo THANK YOU! ♥"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-14-13 at 10:09 AM
My foillly valentine...sweet shiny valentiiiiiine...

Happy VD, IC I am going to make this!

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

"Hmmm"
Posted by Starshine on 02-11-13 at 02:34 PM
Cardinal Marc Ouellet is a little tight at 7/2

If it isn't him then the Africans are at very low prices

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/current-affairs/the-next-pope

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 02:46 PM
I got five bucks on Peter.
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 02:59 PM
Richard Dawkins 666/1

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 03:12 PM

: Big Clumsy Devil: Cr@p. I was hoping no one would notice that.
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by Starshine on 02-11-13 at 03:46 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 04:19 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 04:00 PM (EST)

And yet he still has better odds than Father Dougal

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-11-13 at 04:30 PM
What about Father Merrin? Father Karras?
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by AyaK on 02-12-13 at 05:04 PM
Aren't they dead? Can a dead priest be elected pope?
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-12-13 at 05:17 PM
Resurrection? A miracle?


(Fully tongue in cheek, though)

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by Molaholic on 02-11-13 at 03:23 PM
Got to wonder where Roger Mahoney is on the chart...
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 03:31 PM
Isn't ol' Cardinal Baloney still busy looting the cemetary fund to pay off that pesky 300 million settlement for sex offenders?
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by Estee on 02-11-13 at 04:03 PM
Cute. But it won't be an American. They're looking for the biggest regressive women-hating scandal-hiding homophobe 780 A.D. has to offer --

-- hmm. Actually, it could be an American.

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-11-13 at 04:55 PM
Have you met Tim Dolan?
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by Round Robin on 02-12-13 at 01:36 AM
Unless the Cardinals think he's too old, my gut says that Arinze dude gets it. Never heard of that Ouellet dude. The USA dude with the best chance is Dolan, but it's not a real good chance. If it's not Arinze I think a conservative European gets it.
"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by dabo on 02-12-13 at 02:22 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-12-13 AT 02:23 AM (EST)

I agree. But?...

Given the unusualness of this resignation I think the Cardinals will want to select a new Pope who will in all likelihood survive his predecessor. It would not do to have a living Pope Emeritus when there is a vacancy due to death in the papacy. So given the list of candidates from various sources (and not knowing the ailments that may have lead the current Pope to his decision to resign and could survive into his 100s):


name                     nation         age
Angelo Amato             Italy          74 
João Braz de Aviz        Brazil         65
Angelo Bagnasco          Italy          70 
Jorge Bergoglio          Argentina      76 
Tarcisio Bertone         Italy          78 
Norberto Rivera Carrera  Mexico         70 
Timothy M. Dolan         United States  63 
Péter Erdő               Hungary        60 
Antonio C. Llovera       Spain          67
Óscar A.R. Maradiaga     Honduras       71 
Marc Ouellet             Canada         68
George Pell              Australia      71 
Mauro Piacenza           Italy          68 
Leonardo Sandri          Argentina      69 
Odilo Scherer            Brazil         63 
Christoph Schönborn      Austria        68 
Angelo Scola             Italy          71 
Luis Antonio Tagle       Philippines    55 
Peter Turkson            Ghana          65

"RE: Hmmm"
Posted by Molaholic on 02-13-13 at 07:43 PM
Speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool Heathen, from what I've read, most feel that the College of Cardinals will go with someone who will be around for a while. They'll want to revive the hey-day of the first decade (or so) under John Paul II, with a vibrant go-getter type. This would lead to electing a younger (younger-ish) candidate. There has also been much speculation on answering to the growing population of non-European Catholics.

I'm thinking someone along the lines of Turkson, de Aviz, or Scherer would fit those needs. Of course, one thing that we all know that may just stifle this notion before it gets off the ground is the fact that the C of C chock full of Theological Luddites firmly ensconced in the sixteenth Century.

"Wild conspiracy roundup."
Posted by Estee on 02-11-13 at 08:10 PM
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/02/pope-conspiracy-theories/61996/

Total destruction of the Church, huh? Starshine, where can I place a bet on that and what's my payout?

"RE: Wild conspiracy roundup."
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 08:22 PM
After the truth comes to light and they find out his signature is on Obama's birth certificate, anything goes.
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by cahaya on 02-11-13 at 08:24 PM
The infallible Pope is indeed fallible.
"You are in Big Trouble"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 08:41 PM
Gallileo Cahaya.

I'm not sensing any "Pope Love" here. Is this worse than "Foonermint Love"?
*sob*

"RE: You are in Big Trouble"
Posted by cahaya on 02-11-13 at 10:01 PM
Pope John Paul II was an extraordinary Pope who, like the Dalai Lama, wrote many books (dating back to his time as a family counselor in Poland) and who was a proponent of inter-faith dialog. Personally, I rate him as one of a dozen most influential people in the way I think and believe, although I am not now a Catholic, having been raised as one in early childhood.

The election and fall of Benedict, on the other hand, proves that the Papal Conclave is human (and certainly political) in its error.

"RE: You are in Big Trouble"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 10:53 PM
I remember being an iconoclast. Coupled with my Quakerness, it was natural. Good people and leaders willing to take on the true burden of leadership are hard to get, or convince that they need to fill the shoes.

Jokewads need not apply. I was never raised in that environment, but I can make you a mean beef tartare.

Grass fed!

"RE: You are in Big Trouble"
Posted by AyaK on 02-12-13 at 05:13 PM
Why do you say "fall" of Benedict? One thing I'm certain of is that no one asked him to resign (or even hinted at it).

Remember, Pope Jonn Paul II became Pope at 58, died at 84 and was seriously ill with Parkinson's for at least five years beforehand. Pope Benedict XVI is 86 now.

Personally, I expect that the next pope will be younger, as John Paul II was, so that he'll be viewed by the faithful more the way that John Paul II was. No bets on theology, though.

"RE: You are in Big Trouble"
Posted by cahaya on 02-13-13 at 10:55 PM
Yes, "fall" as in "fallible". The truth is that every Pope in history was human, and some of them more fallible than others, even if they did not relinquish their papacy prior to their death. In a way, it is refreshing to see Benedict give up his papacy in a rare precedence, openly acknowledging that he could not assume the duties of being Pope for the worldwide Catholic constituency. What follows remains to be seen, but it seems clear that the Church is in a time of necessary change lest it become obsolescent.
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by dabo on 02-11-13 at 10:14 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-13 AT 10:16 PM (EST)

Maybe he'll start a trend.

Religious leaders starting to get up there who should consider retiring

Fred Phelps
Pat Robertson
Elizabeth II (I actually do like her, though)
Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei

Who else can we think of?

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 02-11-13 at 10:24 PM
Kim Jong Un, the supreme Deity of North Korea.

And yes, the entire Westboro group.

"Kimme?"
Posted by foonermints on 02-11-13 at 11:14 PM
Are you worried about being a target?
What an Ego!
I think the nuclear bomb will be coming my way. Canada isn't even on the list.


Handcrafted by RollDdice
Sometimes I visit Hawaii.. Poor Woe!

"Talking of which..."
Posted by Starshine on 02-12-13 at 03:29 PM
Queen abdicates
"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by Molaholic on 02-14-13 at 11:29 AM
>Queen abdicates<

Interestingly, giving the Netherlands their first King in over 120 years, following great-grandmother Wilhelmina (1890-1948), and grandmother Juliana (1948-1980).

"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-16-13 at 10:48 AM
For a second I thought Liz was gonna give up the throne and go putter in her garden.
"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by Starshine on 02-17-13 at 10:59 AM
Which garden in particular?

I think that she could do a lot of pottering.

To be honest she seems fit and well and hasn't done anything wrong so I can't see the point of abdication, her own mother lived until she was 102 and was only a little doddery towards the end so I'm not expecting a king until 2023.

"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-17-13 at 12:58 PM
Kew Gardens would be an interesting choice. Even better if it's the Kew Gardens where I live. She can just ignore that Kitty Genovese story.
"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by Brownroach on 02-19-13 at 10:46 AM
I once knew someone who lived in the Kitty Genovese building.

i.e. the building from which 38 people supposedly watched and did nothing. Which turned out to be largely a myth.

"RE: Talking of which..."
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-19-13 at 01:56 PM
I live one block from the site of the murder. The building and train station is still the same as it was then. Kew Gardens really gets a bad rap as it would be hard for anyone to see anything from the building.
"Headlines."
Posted by Estee on 02-12-13 at 07:49 AM
The Post quasi-wryly noted that the Pope had given God two weeks notice, while the Daily News went with Pope Opera and included an exclusive (and nauseating) column with Dolan.

I would have picked up the one that used Holy @#$%!!!.

"Have a cookie"
Posted by Brownroach on 02-12-13 at 11:53 AM
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/an-honor-for-the-pope-and-it-goes-well-with-milk/

(They could have used BITE ME for the headline)

"Ka-POW"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-12-13 at 01:59 PM

Lightning strike on the same day. Coincidence? I think not!


"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Karchita on 02-12-13 at 10:16 PM
I don't care who they pick as long as he dwells in this century.

But I expect to be disappointed.


~just another jack catholic

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by foonermints on 02-12-13 at 10:56 PM

I like the idea of Pope Foonermints.
"Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by Brownroach on 02-12-13 at 11:06 PM
i.e. Pope Foonermints I. If you're a really badass pope, there will be Foon II, Foon III and so on. (The nickname "Foon" will be bestowed on you due to your badassness.)
"RE: Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by foonermints on 02-12-13 at 11:50 PM

Cool. FoonerPope Badass I. Now I just need a hat.

"RE: Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by Brownroach on 02-13-13 at 00:35 AM
Benny was fond of this number, Your Holy Badassness:

But a more fashion-forward look may be your preference. I'll reach out -wince- to Jason Wu to see if he can whip up a line suitable for Your Badassitude (Jason and I airkissed during Fashion Week).

"RE: Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by foonermints on 02-13-13 at 01:15 AM
An Italian Sombrero with (no doubt) pure gold embellishments?

I'll have to consult with Lady GaGa. In private.
If the Popemobile is Rockin'..

"RE: Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by Brownroach on 02-13-13 at 01:42 AM
Just don't eat the raw meat. And (no doubt) you'll want a second opinion from Gwen Stefani.
"RE: Gotta have the Roman numeral"
Posted by foonermints on 02-13-13 at 01:57 AM
Isn't that beef jerky by now? Good.. smaller.

Gwen? Gwen? Have to get a bigger PopeMobile..

"Yeeehaw!"
Posted by moonbaby on 02-13-13 at 12:41 PM

Nice hat!
"RE: Yeeehaw!"
Posted by Estee on 02-13-13 at 01:00 PM
Pope Joan Jessie?

Well, the yodeling would be an improvement over most of the hymns.

"Pope Foonermints the Badass"
Posted by Karchita on 02-13-13 at 04:31 AM
That will certainly help with my disappointment.

And now everyone can stop worrying about the century the poop dwells in and start worrying about the dimension. *giggle*

At least I would know that my invite to the annual papal picnic is secure.

Right?


"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Estee on 02-13-13 at 08:37 AM
But I expect to be disappointed.

Converting to Judaism will not save you.

I don't expect to get the last millennium.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by Karchita on 02-13-13 at 05:39 PM
At least the Jews don't have a pope.

Disappointments they seem to have a good stock of.


"The mortal sin --"
Posted by Estee on 02-14-13 at 08:59 AM
-- of a swoop block.

Meh. I've committed, like, eight thousand of the things since breakfast.

"Consider the source."
Posted by Estee on 02-17-13 at 11:19 AM
For the nothing it's frequently worth, the Enquirer is claiming brain cancer.
"Papal priorities."
Posted by Estee on 02-23-13 at 03:59 PM
'So I can deal with the realities of having not only gay priests in the Church, but ones who have been robbing us for years -- or I can become only the second Pope in history to resign.'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/vatican-pope-didn-resign-sex-scandal-article-1.1271641

'Resign it is.'


"Take your pick"
Posted by cahaya on 02-28-13 at 09:46 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-01-13 AT 04:09 AM (EST)

#11 looks interesting in Buddhist orange, #12 in black with a friendly smile, and maybe #2 with charisma. The rest of them look a bit scary, a few of them very scary.

Disclaimer: I don't know the names of any of these guys.

"Pope in the Pizza!"
Posted by foonermints on 02-28-13 at 10:57 PM
I'll sleuth out the answer as soon as I bake it..

It's probably The Bowling Pope.

"Popes and Pizza!"
Posted by cahaya on 02-28-13 at 11:13 PM
True Italian traditions!
"Not to Forget"
Posted by foonermints on 03-01-13 at 01:21 AM
Father Guido Sarducci.

http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/270004

foonerlinks©: rarely harmful to protozoa

"March Madness! The Sweet Sistine"
Posted by kidflash212 on 03-01-13 at 04:10 PM
Get your brackets filled in ASAP!


"RE: March Madness! The Sweet Sistine"
Posted by Molaholic on 03-02-13 at 09:29 PM
The new record holder for the BEST.POST.EVER

(Of course, baring any sudden bolts of heavenly lightning...)

"Ifs"
Posted by dabo on 03-02-13 at 02:27 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-02-13 AT 03:59 AM (EST)

If you were born on or after February 28, 2013, at or after the time Pope Benedict XVI's retirement officially began (8:00PM Central European Time), there will have been in your lifetime one pope and one pope emeritus. Until one of them dies or retires. Four time zones to the east make it March 1, 2013. Welcome to the world. If you were born before then see next.

If you were born on or after April 2, 2005, at or after the time of death of Pope John Paul II (9:37PM CET), there will have been in your lifetime two popes and one pope emeritus. Why are you still up at this hour? If you were born before then see next.

If you were born on or after September 28, 1978, at or after the time the dead body of Pope John Paul I was discovered after he died alone sometime during the night (something CET), there will have been in your lifetime three popes and one pope emeritus. Your were around when disco died but you were too young to remember. Or see next.

If you were born on or after August 6, 1978, at or after the time of death of Pope Paul VI, there will have been in your lifetime four popes and one pope emeritus. You were also too young to remember when disco died. Trust me, it deserved it. Or see next.

If you were born on or after June 3, 1963, at or after the time of death of Pope John XXIII, there will have been in your lifetime five popes and one pope emeritus. Congratulations, you survived the '60s and you weren't even paying attention. Or see next.

If you were born on or after October 9, 1958, at or after the time of death of Pope Pius XII, there will have been in your lifetime six popes and one pope emeritus. You wish you'd known to invest in Microsoft when it was a penny stock. Or see next.

If you were born on or after February 10, 1939, at or after the time of death of Pope Pius XI, there will have been in your lifetime seven popes and one pope emeritus. You wish you had invested in Xerox. Or see next.

If you were born on or after January 22, 1922, at or after the time of death of Pope Benedict XV, there will have been in your lifetime eight popes and one pope emeritus. You were a kid during the Great Depression, fought World War II, are pretty hard set in your ways and hoard your cash. You know it's true. Or see next.

If you were born on or after August 20, 1914, at or after the time of death of Pope Pius X, there will have been in your lifetime nine popes and one pope emeritus. Just hang on a little while longer. Or see next.

If you were born on or after July 20, 1903, at or after the time of death of Pope Leo XIII, there will have been in your lifetime ten popes and one pope emeritus. And, wow!, you're really up there. Or see next.

If you were born on or after February 7, 1878, at or after the time of death of Pope Pius IX in Vatican City before there were time zones, there will have been in your lifetime eleven popes and one pope emeritus. Now that was a long run. And you live in a remote mountain village somewhere where people subsist on nasty plain diets of mainly yogurt and live ungodly long lives. Or see next.

If you were ... forget it, you're a vampire, someone should stake you already.

"RE: Ifs"
Posted by kidflash212 on 03-02-13 at 12:28 PM
Disco never died - they just starting calling it dance music or house music.
"RE: Ifs"
Posted by dabo on 03-02-13 at 02:58 PM
July 12, 1979

The Day Disco Died

"RE: Ifs"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-04-13 at 00:26 AM
Gee, I completely forgot about that event and the a-hole who organized it, as, I suspect, did most of the world. On the other hand, there are plenty of timeless disco records that I don't mind hearing and dancing to 30+ years later. Funny how that worked out.
"RE: Ifs"
Posted by HobbsofMI on 03-04-13 at 04:46 PM
The Tigers got a win out of it.


sig Syren, bouncy by IceCat, bobble head by Tribephyl, and snoglobe by agman

"And the twitterverse starts"
Posted by Snidget on 03-13-13 at 02:04 PM
There is a seagull sitting on the pope smoke chimney with a twitter account.
https://twitter.com/SistineSeagull
"RE: And the twitterverse starts"
Posted by Estee on 03-13-13 at 04:57 PM
*shakes head* The last Head Jerk In Charge infallibly declared frivolous use of the Internet to be a sin.

That seagull is so going to burn.

"Pope Francis"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-13-13 at 04:04 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-13 AT 04:05 PM (EST)

Bergoglio of Argentina elected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/world/europe/cardinals-elect-new-pope.html?_r=0

"Lighten up, Francis"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 03-13-13 at 04:48 PM
Meh. It'll be good for Latin America but we've got another old pope so how long will it be before there's another conclave?
"RE: Lighten up, Francis"
Posted by kingfish on 03-13-13 at 04:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-13 AT 05:01 PM (EST)

Francis I.

I wonder if all the Cardinals had their Pope names already made up.

Actually, I think Bergoglio would havw made a pretty cool Pope name. Kinda melodic.

"The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Estee on 03-13-13 at 04:59 PM
Meet the new bigot, same as the old bigot.
"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by bondt007 on 03-13-13 at 05:19 PM
That's pretty ...bigoted ... of you
"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Estee on 03-13-13 at 05:47 PM
If it's bigoted to point out someone whose philosophy is partially built around hating me, then so. it. goes. By the Church's perpetually unchanging definitions, I'm going to burn. So let's see -- what's the price I pay for expressing my honest opinion? Literally nothing I hadn't lost already. I have said before that absolute damnation equals absolute freedom. If everyone else ever figures it out, things will become entertaining in a hurry.

(And before anyone else brings it up, I do find some irony in having moved from 'former Nazi, but don't think about it, by order' to 'now let's see: where did the Nazis run to again?')

Various media outlets are already talking about this new leadership to bring the Church into the future. But the future remains 750 A.D. And as long as that applies, I will look forward to the day when the entire Vatican is so much ash drifting in the wind.

"So"
Posted by foonermints on 03-13-13 at 09:42 PM
Do you want a Dresden, a Hiroshima, or a Yucatan Meteor?

tiny little devil: watching the intensity meter

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by dabo on 03-13-13 at 10:27 PM
I hear ya. Actually, I didn't expect a socially liberal pope who was pro-choice, in favor of gay rights and so on.

But at least this guy lived according to his vows, including his vow of poverty, and from what they say he has been a champion for the poor. He brings a different perspective to the papacy, so he should be able to do some good. As long as the trappings of power and his inability to escape being wealthy beyond reason don't fry his brain.

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Starshine on 03-14-13 at 05:39 AM
And his support for the junta in the 70's and 80's is nothing to worry about...

An Argentinian! Taking bets on how long it takes before he attacks the poor sods on the Falkland Islands

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by AyaK on 03-14-13 at 12:45 PM
Well, let's be careful about believing anything that the current Argentine government tells us about one of its enemies' actions during the era of the military junta's rule. It's really hard to know what, if anything, he did in lobbying with the junta.

It's too bad that Raul Alfonsin died three+ years ago, because I'd love to know what Alfonsin (one of the few honest leftists in Argentina, and the main opponent of the junta until its collapse) would have to say.

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by cahaya on 03-14-13 at 06:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-14-13 AT 06:34 PM (EST)

(And before anyone else brings it up, I do find some irony in having moved from 'former Nazi, but don't think about it, by order' to 'now let's see: where did the Nazis run to again?')

Curiously enough, I just recently finished reading a book about the Mossad and their capture of Otto Adolph Eichmann in Argentina, a rather fascinating three-year operation masterminded by Isser Harel.

In due fairness and credit to Pope Francis, he has very good relations with the Argentine Jewish community and rabbis, and I think he will continue to cultivate interfaith relationships, now even more so at an international level.

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Karchita on 03-14-13 at 02:53 AM
What were you expecting? Pope Fabulous the First?


Ain't gonna happen, sistahfriend. Ain't gonna happen.

"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Snidget on 03-14-13 at 06:06 AM
I'm pretty sure Pope Fabulous won't be the first, just the first to be out about it.
"RE: The only thing it means to me."
Posted by Estee on 03-14-13 at 06:41 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-14-13 AT 06:41 AM (EST)

In my wildest fantasies? Installation of the v1.000001 update: Post-Inquisition Edition.

"RE: Pope Francis"
Posted by Molaholic on 03-14-13 at 00:23 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-14-13 AT 00:28 AM (EST)

Papal factoid you never knew you needed to know:

Pope Francis (no number, as per official Vatican announcement -- that is until there is a Francis II) is the first Pope without a number since Pope Landrus assumed the title in 913.

>> In 1978 John Paul I included the I in his official title right away. He died less that a month later and was succeeded by John Paul II.

"RE: Pope Francis"
Posted by kingfish on 03-14-13 at 08:29 AM
Pope Landrus...wasn't he on Mission Impossible?
"RE: Pope Francis"
Posted by Karchita on 03-14-13 at 08:01 PM
I know that name from somewhere. Didn't he use to post here?


"Another factoid"
Posted by Starshine on 03-14-13 at 08:46 AM
He is the first Latin-American pope, and the first non-European since Gregory III in 731 who was from Syria.

Syria could do with a pope right now

"Holy swoop block"
Posted by cahaya on 03-13-13 at 10:50 PM
Amen!
"RE: Holy swoop block"
Posted by foonermints on 03-13-13 at 11:29 PM
Obama got the Latino vote tool too.

tiny little devil: going with the zeitgeist

"In Confessional"
Posted by cahaya on 03-13-13 at 11:41 PM
The Devil made me do it.
"As Penance"
Posted by foonermints on 03-14-13 at 00:11 AM
You must now disrespect your heathen image of The Bhudda.
Three times.

tiny little devil: and no evil boinking, like Kinkfish, if only in his mind...

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by kingfish on 03-14-13 at 12:52 PM
I think Pope Privy would be a good name.
"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by foonermints on 03-14-13 at 09:26 PM
Pope Privy Badass I

Don't tell me that doesn't make perfect sense.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by cahaya on 03-28-13 at 06:11 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-13 AT 06:19 PM (EST)

It's interesting... Pope Francis has eschewed the trappings of the papacy, preferring to live within a simple apartment in a building with his brothers instead of palatial quarters, and here he is kissing the feet of youths who are in detention for crimes commited in their youngest years. He is breaking decades and centuries old traditions, yet he is faithful to his faith, both in word and in deed.

I suppose that you can argue that he is the head of a religious body that has outdated and, by modern standards, bigotrous views and doctrine, but it seems that Pope Francis is sincere and compassionate in his word and his actions. He has offered to reach out to Orthodox Christians, Jews and Muslims alike as brothers in faith and hope for healing the schisms of the past.

John Paul was an extraordinary pope to precede Francis, with Benedict as a temporary bump in the road in the Catholic Church's path to relevancy in modern society. Raised a Catholic, I still have a piqued interest in Pope Francis and I see the potential for him to have as much an influence as the likes of his predecessor John Paul and the likes of the Dalai Lama and Ghandi. We'll see, and I like what I see.


Capn's wisdom

Now, there's somebody who we haven't seen in a long while, CapnPatch too, with the recent influx of old-timers here in OT.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by dabo on 03-28-13 at 09:16 PM
Pope washes women's feet in break with church law

In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of two young women at a juvenile detention center — a surprising departure from church rules that restrict the Holy Thursday ritual to men.

No pope has ever washed the feet of a woman before, and Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists, who lamented he had set a "questionable example." Liberals welcomed the move as a sign of greater inclusiveness in the church.

"RE: Pope Benedict resigns?"
Posted by cahaya on 03-28-13 at 10:24 PM
Speaking to the young offenders, including Muslims and Orthodox Christians, Francis said that Jesus washed the feet of his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion in a gesture of love and service.

"This is a symbol, it is a sign. Washing your feet means I am at your service," Francis told the group, aged 14 to 21, at the Casal del Marmo detention facility in Rome.

"Help one another. This is what Jesus teaches us," the pope said. "This is what I do. And I do it with my heart. I do this with my heart because it is my duty. As a priest and bishop, I must be at your service."