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"Trope Of The Day IV: the long, dark winter of our trope content."

Posted by Estee on 12-07-12 at 08:15 AM
Fifteen score and zero tropes ago...


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"#301"
Posted by Estee on 12-07-12 at 08:27 AM
So you may have noticed we haven't seen AyaK lately. And you may be wondering why that is. Well, that's because I noticed he left his keys out in a vulnerable spot and I said, "You know, what kind of leader would just leave his keys around where anyone could grab them?" Obviously not a competent one. Clearly not someone worthy of leading at all. So I took them. And now he's locked out.

You all know what that means, right?

AyaK has fallen! That's right, it's time for my reign! Gawds, is this ever overdue -- you over there, salute! Not fast enough! *!BLAM!* Now, we're going to have some new forums around here, I can tell you that! And the no-cursing rule? That is @#$%ing gone. Plus we're going to clearing out some of the deadwood. Starting with that body over there. And some people had better clean up their acts. Especially if you were thinking about remaining loyal to the old regime, in which case, I'm going to clean you up and call it Act I. Now: the following people are scheduled for immediate castration. Ki --

-- oh. Um... hi, AyaK. Didn't see you in the corner over there. Holding a spare set of keys. To the secret door you had installed. Secretly.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStarscream

How are you?


"RE: #301"
Posted by kingfish on 12-07-12 at 09:35 AM
Why did I just get a sudden shiver up my timber?

"RE: #301"
Posted by kidflash212 on 12-07-12 at 02:33 PM
I felt the same shiver

"RE: #301"
Posted by kingfish on 12-07-12 at 06:52 PM
Think KeithFan had a monentary chill?

"#302"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-12 at 07:10 AM
Put simply: due to constraints of materials, motors, power sources, and the laws of physics, a three hundred foot tall humanoid robot should not be able to perform Swan Lake, at least not to the satisfaction of Carrie-Ann, Len, and Bruno.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpossiblyGracefulGiant

But then, we all know they deliberately overscore.

Turbolifts!


"RE: #302"
Posted by kingfish on 12-08-12 at 10:41 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-12 AT 10:45 AM (EST)

Yeah, They include all the mechanical clunking noises when they are just walking, along with the thunderous foot falls, but when dancing all that goes away. Unless there is some comic relief in the form of a trip-fall, when the sound track ceases the sylvan orchestration and reminds us that this is an oily pile of nuts and bolts crashing to earth.


"#303 (stock phrase)"
Posted by Estee on 12-09-12 at 10:06 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IHaveMyWays

My lawyer has advised me not to tell you what any of them are.


"#304"
Posted by Estee on 12-10-12 at 09:22 AM
Marines don't die. They just, shall we say, pause to regroup.

And then they come back. In formation. With weapons intact.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmyOfTheDead

There are important differences between this and your standard undead assault, namely: they are still sentient, they are working together, and they are on your side. So don't shoot them. It'll just piss them off.

By the way, they expect back pay.


"#305 (tragedy tomorrow...)"
Posted by Estee on 12-11-12 at 09:54 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Comedy

tonight!


"RE: #305 (tragedy tomorrow...)"
Posted by kingfish on 12-11-12 at 10:58 AM
What is comedy? What is funny?

All we know is what seems funny to us, individually. If others also find it to be funny, well, that's fine. If it's intentional it's kinda gratifying. But either way it offers a glimpse into our souls (the secular kind).


The Fish Philosopher is in!


Wanna see my soul?

(Thus, unfortunately, making my point).



"RE: #305 (tragedy tomorrow...)"
Posted by kingfish on 12-11-12 at 10:59 AM
Next up:

Irony.


"#306 (Billy Quan!)"
Posted by Estee on 12-12-12 at 10:25 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArrowCam

One of the more recent tricks: following a projectile's flight from the projectile's point of view. So we fly with the arrow as it closes in, or the bullet skidding off the target, or the torpedo moving through flak. Anything, really. Including someone looking down at their own homing-action feet. Assuming you can do that.

Those feet can home in for miles.


"#307 "
Posted by Estee on 12-13-12 at 08:57 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandAloneEpisode

And in the spirit of the link, we will never discuss this trope again.


"RE: #307 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-13-12 at 07:49 PM
Lips are sealed.

"RE: #307 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-13-12 at 07:50 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-12 AT 07:50 PM (EST)

Mum's the word.


"RE: #307 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-13-12 at 07:51 PM
Never ever again shall this trope be mentioned in these threads.

"RE: #307 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-13-12 at 09:18 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-13-12 AT 11:52 PM (EST)

Nope. Never again. No sirree.


"RE: #307 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-13-12 at 11:53 PM
What trope? I don't see no trope.

"#308"
Posted by Estee on 12-14-12 at 12:02 PM
For reasons known only to myself, I decide to put some of my hair into a sidetail while ponytailing most of the rest. And then I weave a gold hook into each and connect them to each other. I go out in public and think nothing more of it for the rest of the weekend.

On Monday, I see two other people with their hair done the same way.

Then six.

Then eight thousand.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreTheNewTrend

Then Taylor Swift claims she started it.


"RE: #308"
Posted by dabo on 12-14-12 at 12:29 PM


"RE: #308"
Posted by kingfish on 12-14-12 at 01:03 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-14-12 AT 02:39 PM (EST)

Oh. Yeah. She does have a hairdo, doesn't she.


"#309"
Posted by Estee on 12-15-12 at 08:51 AM
Self-inflicted injury to the fingertip is erotic!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FingerSuckHealing

Brought to you by Japan, the only country to successfully weaponize paper cuts.


"RE: #309"
Posted by kingfish on 12-15-12 at 09:59 AM
Sucking finger tips for pleasure!

Really?

I understand what was expected of me when you hired me on, the innuendos, naughtiness, commenting on the fleshier side of life, etc. But really. This is just too easy.

I won't besmirch my art.


"#310 (comics)"
Posted by Estee on 12-16-12 at 08:28 AM
Congratulations! You just got the hero's mask off! You've taken pictures of the face underneath. You grabbed fingerprints and DNA samples. You have conclusively proven the lack of identical twins, clones, cross-dimensional counterparts who just happened to be in the area, and time travelers. This is the real name. There are no possible ways left for the hero to wriggle out of it. Dead. To. Birth. Rights. But because you forgot to tap into the local satellite, you didn't exactly broadcast the process as it happened. Which means that now you have to run down to the worldwide news leader with your evidence.

So naturally, you cross against the light.

Through the exact middle of the intersection.

Directly in front of a bus.

While holding the only hardcopy of the evidence in all the world.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathBySecretIdentity

Just like the last six people who found out.


"RE: #310 (comics)"
Posted by kidflash212 on 12-16-12 at 11:29 AM
I apologize in advance to anyone who has learned my secret identity through FB or Secret Santa/T Shirt exchanges.

"RE: #310 (comics)"
Posted by kingfish on 12-16-12 at 05:00 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-12 AT 06:51 PM (EST)

I think this may be a dark hint as to what will happen to any of us if we find out her identity.

And the bus may be a metaphor for something too gruesome to contemplate.

Let's just leave that door closed, remember the "Ki..." factor.


"#311"
Posted by Estee on 12-17-12 at 07:25 AM
An example which isn't on the trope's page:

Once upon a time, there was a superhero universe which was slightly different from the others. For starters, there were relatively few superhumans: they were at the beginning of the discovery and public exposure phase. And every one they did have, regardless of the moral side they were on, shared a common origin.

They were all dead.

Or rather, they had been dead. Each one had died in an uniquely excruciating way -- and come back. They were alive again, yes. They had powers. They healed at paranormal rates and would never age from the biological point of their demise (which wasn't always a plus). But in order to get all of that, they'd died. Every last one.

So in this world, you had a megachurch. One with its own vision for the world. And the leader of that church had a visitation, one that told him the final war was coming and the church was going to need an army. Volunteers were called for, men and women to step forward for a chance to serve their deity more directly than they'd ever dreamed.

And one by one, those volunteers were killed, each in an uniquely excruciating way. New methods of murder were invented just to make sure there would be no repeats. Removal of fluids a cubic centimeter at a time, that was pretty creative. Hundreds of people, none of whom had been told what they were volunteering for, systemically exterminated -- just so the church could watch the bodies and see if any of them moved.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperpowerRussianRoulette

They got six back...

Bill Willingham's Elementals. Some images stay with you.

There are many universes like this, ones where the only way to gain power is to court death. Most of the mutations are lethal. The virus has a 90% fatality rate and you don't want to see the majority of the survivors. You will no longer care about human emotions, but at least you didn't go full autistic. You'll either be dead in two days or you acquired superhuman intelligence and you'll be dead in two days.

And in every last one of their universes, give enough time and understanding of the process -- someone will call for volunteers.


"RE: #311"
Posted by kingfish on 12-17-12 at 10:20 AM
The RL example, and maybe the best, is Autism.

"#312"
Posted by Estee on 12-18-12 at 10:19 AM
two bodies, two souls

two species

human and something other

no common ground

no place to begin

just a touch

a single moment of seeing

and then work together, fight together, think together

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BondCreatures

two bodies, one soul


"#313 (advertising)"
Posted by Estee on 12-19-12 at 08:23 AM
One person saying they like a product is an endorsement.

Four people saying it is a market segment.

A dozen repeating the same line (or a small part thereof) over and over until either the commercial ends or you personally vow to destroy every piece of stock you see is a

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HiveMindTestimonial

Apply directly to the forehead.


"RE: #313 (advertising)"
Posted by kingfish on 12-19-12 at 10:55 AM
The pool has been established for how long this gets referenced in a political way, and the tie breaker will be which way will it go, Dem or Repub.

There is a more neutral "just a politician" third choice.


"#314 (Hollywood physics/engineering)"
Posted by Estee on 12-20-12 at 09:45 AM
"Wait a minute. I just lit a rocket. Rockets explode!"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissingBackblast

...or not.

In short: you can't use a rocket launcher in an enclosed space, with an audience, with a wall directly behind you, with any force-bounce surface in the vicinity, without proper bracing, without wearing a decent amount of body armor, and without consequences -- unless you're lucky enough to be in one of the many fictional settings in which basic equation payback has been banished. And that's just about all of them.

Once you've seen this trope in no-reaction, you can't unsee it. And you'll keep seeing it everywhere you go...


"#315"
Posted by Estee on 12-21-12 at 09:39 AM
You have a habit that's going to kill you.

What's the perfect time to indulge in it?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OneLastSmoke

As the description notes, this can be any habit a character regularly follows: smoking is just the most cliche. And sometimes, the indulgence itself is still what kills you -- go down to the Real Life examples and read the Russian entry. The pay stinks in the Soviet army, but my, do you get the perks.

Come to think of it, there's probably a countertrope called One First Smoke. 'I'm going to die anyway. Might as well see what all the fuss was about.'


"RE: #315"
Posted by kingfish on 12-21-12 at 09:45 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-21-12 AT 11:09 AM (EST)

Amendment to the Hero's handbook: When they offer you an alcoholic beverage before battle, run away, run away.


"#316"
Posted by Estee on 12-22-12 at 10:10 AM
"On August 16, 1975, an off-duty cop driving around his own neighborhood in a suburb of Salt Lake City, Utah saw a VW Bug that didn't belong there. The driver promptly took off. The cop eventually chased him down and cited the driver for failure to stop for an officer and possession of burglary tools. A detective connected that driver with an open case of kidnapping and attempted murder. And the driver was soon linked with some two dozen murders and became America's most notorious serial killer -- Ted Bundy."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MinorCrimeRevealsMajorPlot?from=Main.GonnaNeedABiggerWarrant

Sometimes, law enforcement comes down to dumb luck and determined terriers.


"#317"
Posted by Estee on 12-23-12 at 01:51 PM
Here's a simple challenge. Go climb a fire escape. Then a ladder. Then a rope, cliff, side of a building, rockfall, tree, and vine.

Okay. Now do all of that again, only while holding a weapon.

No, you're not allowed to put the weapon away. Ever.

No, you can't drop it either.

Oh, stop whining. Video game characters do this all the time. How hard could it be?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnetHands

Now one more time, while carrying a sword that's three times the length of your body.


"#318"
Posted by Estee on 12-24-12 at 08:02 AM

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LifeWillKillYou


"#319"
Posted by Estee on 12-25-12 at 02:52 PM
Middle fingers pressed inwards against the center of the wrist, outer fingers pointed up on a curve, thumb splayed.

Two fingers slanted left, two right, creating a V of space. No one cares about the thumb.

Hand cupped into a rough C shape, thumb under eye, fingers above.

Touch in order: forehead, abdomen, left shoulder, right shoulder.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticHandGesture

Middle finger, straight up.


"RE: #319"
Posted by kingfish on 12-26-12 at 09:52 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-26-12 AT 09:54 AM (EST)

Which brings up a pet peeve of mine, the bastardization of the FU hand gesture.

A middle finger protruding from a clenched fist just doesn't cut it. The gesture should (according to FU aficionados) have knuckles on either side of the protruding finger, thus representing the male genitalia more correctly as well as offering a statement too low brow for words or response.

Kids these days...


"#320"
Posted by Estee on 12-26-12 at 10:26 AM
She loves you.

You love her.

But -- there's another she. Who loves you too. And you love her just as much.

Deciding between them is not an option. You will not break one heart to save another.

What do you do?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Polyamory

You royally piss off the IRS, that's what you do.

If Wagstaff was around, I'd probably be about to have this same bloody argument again.


"RE: #320"
Posted by kingfish on 12-26-12 at 02:23 PM
Much as I am tempted to go with the three-way angle, or even the intriguing Love Dodecahedron (which might be worth a lesson in geometry), I'll just observe that mention of missing Wagstaff brings brings up an important point in regard to gun control and lessons in accuracy.

"RE: #320"
Posted by Estee on 12-26-12 at 03:04 PM
At this point, I've seen enough anime to have encountered the harem genre and Love Dodecahedron. It is, put mildly, a pain in the rear. Which will be only one of the pains the linchpin of the structure has because there's always a tsundere involved and she will be hitting you. A lot.

"#321 "
Posted by Estee on 12-27-12 at 07:15 AM
The rules of sports -- all sports -- are written down. Every last one of them. No secret clauses are kept from public viewing. They are available on the Internet, in book form, and sometimes in shorthand cheat sheets. In some sports, the referees carry copies at all times and in one, most players have them tucked into the golf bag. There is always an expert fan somewhere within either casual reach or the touch of a keyboard. A wealth of information about the history of every game, the evolution of their rulesets, and the exceptions which tested them is available everywhere you care to look. And therefore, there is really no reason any writer of any kind of fiction should ever get a major detail wrong when describing a game, especially if the setting of the work is the sport itself. Right?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GretzkyHasTheBall

Wrong.


"RE: #321 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-27-12 at 11:15 AM
These are usually pretty entertaining. The subtle ones are fun to spot.

What gets irritating though are the over-explained rules or facts, such as "Well you know Vern (sorry Moley), the replay official has to have 'conclusive' evidence before he can overturn the call on the field." I mean, they feel like they have to say this every single time.

Or (outside the sports world) "A black hole is black because not even light can escape from it". Hey, by now, don't we all know this about a black hole?

Or "Kingfish is always right". By now, this should be pretty much a universal truth. However, maybe this could bear being repeated a few more times, there are always a few slow learners that need to be reminded of this basic fact of life.


"RE: #321 "
Posted by Estee on 12-27-12 at 11:44 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-27-12 AT 11:44 AM (EST)

That's not even a theorem. At best, it's an outright lie.

I never really thought of sports script errors as fun because they should be so easy to avoid. It's the sort of thing where most of the audience can instantly spot what went wrong -- so why didn't anyone from script to final print? And when even Friday Night Lights drops the ball, can you trust anyone to read a rulebook?

Science errors are frequently handwaved or ignored in the service of the script. Basic physics are laughed at if it means an extra explosion. Continuity? Yeah, right: continuity. But most of us come together at sports -- and so for me, this trope is the common ground intersection of groans and "Idiots..."

Oh, and they keep bringing up conclusive evidence because Viewers Are Goldfish. (And so are half the announcers.)


"RE: #321 "
Posted by kingfish on 12-27-12 at 01:29 PM
And at worst?

(I'm saving that for when I Take Over the World!.)

Play by play isn't usually scripted, so the entertainment comes as ex-jocks try and assume the role of commentators gifted with mental and verbal ad-lib acuity. Even Cosell was fun for a while. Writers, even ex-jock sports writers, and their editors should know better, and it's pitiful when they don't. You get the feeling that they just don't care sometimes.

However, I'm impressed that you could pull out that appropriate cross reference. Remind me to never challenge you to a quick draw trope contest.


"#322 (spoiler alert)"
Posted by Estee on 12-28-12 at 06:13 AM
So. Over the last few years of publication on the Spider-Man titles, Otto Octavius (Doctor Octopus) has been dying from a progressive, degenerative nerve disease which has been paralyzing him and shutting down his organs bit by bit. Cause of said disease? Concussions. Lots of them. Because once you get past the robot tentacles, he's a normal man who's in his early fifties, out of shape, and is not physically equipped to be hit in the head by someone who can deadlift ten tons. And that's on those days when he isn't facing off against his regular sparring partner. During that publication time, he has been looking for cures, extensions, ways to leave a legacy, and ultimately revenge, kept alive by an increasingly elaborate cybernetic shell -- which can't do the job forever. Tick-tock.

All well and good so far storywise? Fine.

Now Spidey's been approaching Issue #700, and Marvel traditionally likes to do something big for the round numbers. This time, they had Otto grab Peter and pull the old soma switcheroo. This soul goes in that body, the reverse is also true, and now Peter is the one who gets to enjoy Otto's last moments from the inside out. Meanwhile, Otto has a fresh lease on life in Peter's superpowered body, and takes it out for a test drive to, you know, destroy a lot of stuff, starting with what little ever remains of Spider-Man's forever-dubious reputation. Otto's worst enemy will die, he'll live on, and whatever legacy Peter had? Goodbye.

Still good given the genre? Thought so. Onward.

Ultimately, Peter (in Otto's body) winds up in prison, counting down those last hours. And has to break out, coordinating a mass escape of supervillains -- pretty much all of his rogue's gallery -- in order to go take himself down. So it's just about everyone he's ever fought going up against himself, only he's leading the charge and hoping he can do it in such a way that it gets the switch undone in time for him not to die and he can worry about undoing the PR damage later. And don't forgot: he has to lead this army of evil in such a way that they don't kill Otto themselves. Plus -- and here's a fun part -- Otto has not broken cover. He knows Peter's style fairly well and the idea is not to go around making people think he's in a freshly-hijacked hero, so he has not been trumpeting his triumph to the skies. He's been, to the best of his ability, acting like Spider-Man. The general populace doesn't know exactly what's going on, especially since the only way Peter could pull off his end was to maintain his very best Otto impression. It's not as if that rogue's gallery was going to follow him if they thought they were being led by Spider-Man and heading off to save his life. So as we hit Issue #700, it's the last showdown between them. In the wrong bodies. Behaving just like each other. Which is kind of appropriate because there are ways in which they are dark mirrors: one defined by his ability to take personal tragedy and make it work as motivation to help others, the other riding the horror of his child abuse and turning into a core arrogance which made him prove he was worthwhile no matter who had to get hurt for it. Oh, and there's a supervillain horde which could kind of get in the way.

On track? Good, because here comes the climax.

Peter confronts Otto. And dies.

The switchback does not occur. Otto stays in Peter's body. Otto's body gives up the ghost, which happens to be Peter's. Peter dies in the arms of his worst enemy -- but not before passing along one gift: every memory, every drive, every bit of himself that ever went with being in the costume.

And Otto -- sees the error of his ways. Sees what he could have been doing with his own intellect plus powerset the whole time, realizes what he can do with this one. As far as the world knows, Otto Octavius is dead. And now he has all the tools he needs to fully step into Peter's life and continue it as Spider-Man. Only, because he's, you know, still hyper-arrogant, he's going to improve that life. Starting by fixing Peter's relationships, and isn't that redhead pretty? Also, something has to be done about the man's job security, personal wealth, oh, and the costume, he might have to tweak the costume, work on the webshooters -- you know, general upgrade. And Marvel, for their part, ends the original issue count at #700 and announces a new #1 next month, entitled The Superior Spider-Man.

...

...yep, looks like we're at the dawn of another

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DorkAge

I give it ten months.

Note that A. Survivor has a section here and B. It is not a short one.



"RE: #322 (spoiler alert)"
Posted by kingfish on 12-28-12 at 09:36 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-28-12 AT 10:12 AM (EST)

Unbeknownst to both of them, the body of Spidey's Uncle, who had been the victim of murder most foul in an earlier episode, was rotting away in the sub-sub-sub-basement of their tenement. Apparently, in the hectic aftermath of his death and Spidey’s preoccupation with his new powers, they forgot to actually bury him. So his corpse has been lying in the lowest basement all this time, forgotten, steeped in an increasingly concentrated bath of Radon Gas. Initially, the Radon simply preserved him from decay, but with time, cellular restructuring began, and finally animation.

He became "Basement Bug Guy", with no memory, and an unquenchable thirst for..., well, something. World peace, let's say. Or Oreos. Something. Maybe those comic book woman’s breasts/hour glass bodies would finally catch his eye.

Nice riff. they should hire you to pen the trailers.

Otto would have been my screen name if Kingfish hadn't finned it aside.


"RE: #322 (spoiler alert)"
Posted by Estee on 12-28-12 at 11:35 AM
Unlikely. Not only have we seen the gravesite, but Benjamin Parker is famously the only character in the Marvel Universe guaranteed to stay dead. (It used to be him plus Bucky Barnes, but...) Any time there's a hint of someone deciding to ram through that last barrier, the fanbase screams turn into banshee wails. Exactly one writer got away with it, and J. Michael Straczynski got away with it for five minutes. It's actually one of the most heartbreaking scenes in the character's history, and they can never do it again...

Short version: after being put through the wringer with Stephen Strange following along, Peter was given a special gift of five minutes, to do whatever he pleased with. He pulled his uncle forward in time from the second before the gun went off and had a talk.

Everything was forgiven.

Everything.


"RE: #322 (spoiler alert)"
Posted by kidflash212 on 12-28-12 at 10:01 AM
I say it lasts about the same amount of time Superman stayed dead.

"RE: #322 (spoiler alert)"
Posted by Estee on 12-28-12 at 11:25 AM
Which is not given a prominent section on the DCU's Dork Age page, although the whole Superman Red/Superman Blue storyline is pictured and featured. (Caption: "Remember this? No? Good.")

That particular death & resurrection show ran for -- *counts issues involved* -- about four months? I think this one will outlast it. Marvel will pretty much always press the reset button -- there's a nasty Stan Lee quote in a company history book, saying the goal was to create the illusion of progress -- but they can't afford to pull the plug on this one too quickly. (Unless sales totally plummet, in which case, they can't afford not to.) There's probably a moderately long storyline planned. But the more genre-savvy readers know to expect status quo in time -- which brings up the question of just who's bringing out the death threats.


"#323 (not quite Congress, even by Tuesday)"
Posted by Estee on 12-29-12 at 09:52 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZeroPercentApprovalRating

Don't worry! Faux still loves you!


"#324"
Posted by Estee on 12-30-12 at 08:58 AM
You've been tracking someone for a while now, staying close. Shadowing their every step. But now you're stuck in an enclosed area with your target. And you? Are not wearing makeup, prosthetics, artificial warts, hair dye, or even a hat with a trim two feet wide. At some point, the subject of your pursuit is going to turn around -- and your face will be a familiar one. You can't just leave: you have to stay close and keep shadowing.

What do you do?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NewspaperThinDisguise

You turn into a total cliche, that's what.

Tablets are so ruining this.


"RE: #324"
Posted by kidflash212 on 12-30-12 at 01:00 PM
The real life example on this trope makes me wonder why the Secret Police of other countries keeps tabs on the author.

"#325 (this should irritate Newsome)"
Posted by Estee on 12-31-12 at 10:28 AM
They claim that evil burns. That there's a lake of fire, torments of lava, blistered skin and seared bone.

They're wrong.

Heat -- is a creation. Fire is energy. Where there is fire, something is being generated. Evil is about the absence of creation: cancelling out progress, shutting down all that exists, draining the strength from the universe and replacing it with nothing at all.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsDeathlyCold

And when entropy hits maximum, there will be no heat at all.


"RE: #325 (this should irritate Newsome)"
Posted by dabo on 12-31-12 at 11:24 AM


"#326"
Posted by Estee on 01-01-13 at 10:17 AM
"King Croesus of Lydia asked the Oracle of Delphi what the result would be if he took his troops across the Halys River and attacked the Persians. Her answer was, "If you do, a great empire will be destroyed." The seer didn't specify which great empire. In the end, it was Croesus' kingdom, not Persia, that was destroyed, but the seer would have been "right" either way—but note that there was no way the seer could have known that Lydia or Persia would be utterly crushed (rather than a stalemate or minor gains for one side or another)."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EitherOrProphecy

Or in other words, ask a stupid question...


"RE: #326"
Posted by SpotTheDifference on 01-01-13 at 09:56 PM
April 2012. North Korea launches a rocket whose debris is supposed to land within Philippine territory.

A representative of the Department of Defense makes the following statement (as translated): "As far as we know, the missile is going to land either on the sea or on land."

Everyone else thinks, "Duh".


"RE: #326"
Posted by kingfish on 01-02-13 at 10:06 AM
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-13 AT 11:03 AM (EST)


Me too.

Duh. Double Duh.

I guess there was an infinitesimal chance that the debris could have hit trampolines and bounced right back to Pyongyang.


"RE: #326"
Posted by Estee on 01-02-13 at 02:47 PM
"For the last time, we did not order a giant trampoline!"

"#327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by Estee on 01-02-13 at 08:00 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouNeedToGetLaid


"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-02-13 at 09:56 AM
LAST EDITED ON 01-02-13 AT 10:01 AM (EST)

I don't think anyone ever thought about giving that advice to a Zombie.

But maybe they should have.

BTW - was there ever a better movie trailer/intro than this:

"Lucy Diamond, the lesbian supervillain in the film D.E.B.S. is told outright by her comrade right at the start of the film that she's trying to take over the world, destroy Australia etc etc because she doesn't want to face her own intimacy issues. The entire basis of the film is what happens when he sets her up on a blind date with a lesbian Russian assassin."

Man, I just gotta see that movie.


"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by Estee on 01-02-13 at 03:02 PM
http://tinyurl.com/bbruuvn

And of course, once you get it, you will get a list of a dozen 'Based On Your Purchase' recommendations just like it.

Amazon is evil. You know that.


"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-02-13 at 04:13 PM
Thank you. For helping me control that impulse.


"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by Estee on 01-02-13 at 04:17 PM
Reviews just didn't seem to be indicating a quality purchase, huh?

You should see what I get for ordering the ponies. $60 plushies abound.


"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by byoffer on 01-02-13 at 01:58 PM
Interesting, no real life examples. I guess afraid that would crash their server.



"RE: #327 (this won't end well)"
Posted by Estee on 01-02-13 at 02:56 PM
Not only can I think of a few. hundred. million, I can also come up with a bunch of people who need to stop getting laid immediately so we'll no longer have to hear the happy recap, including position demonstrations, sound reproductions, and the occasional short film produced by Alan Smithee.

...hmmm. Wonder if that's a new trope?


"coz Estee needs it"
Posted by dabo on 01-02-13 at 02:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rh3JTvvlk

"RE: coz Estee needs it"
Posted by kingfish on 01-02-13 at 02:58 PM
Don't know about Estee, but I did. The Staple Singers. When Pops was with them...so good.

"RE: coz Estee needs it"
Posted by dabo on 01-02-13 at 03:01 PM
If that's not enough for anyone there's always the full length version.

"#328"
Posted by Estee on 01-03-13 at 09:39 AM
One of the most common problems alien invaders face is that they're just that: alien. Can't infiltrate society: they don't look human. Can't work out the culture from the inside and figure out how to sabotage it: no way to become part of it in the first place. Can't plant any double agents and sleepers in waiting -- and so on down the line. They can attack, they can blast, and they can try to find sellouts among the victim species, but they can't work their way in and conduct a two-front war.

At least until the hypertech gets involved. And as soon as that transformation booth is finished?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyLookLikeUsNow

Which comes with its own set of issues.

Say hi to your new hormones!


"RE: #328"
Posted by dabo on 01-03-13 at 11:41 AM


"RE: #328"
Posted by Estee on 01-03-13 at 03:25 PM
Worth 0.000001 cents in mint condition. Or 0.0002 when used as kindling.

"#329 (slighty younger than dirt)"
Posted by Estee on 01-04-13 at 09:24 AM
Sometimes sibling rivalry gets a little --

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CainAndAbel

-- intense.


"#330"
Posted by Estee on 01-05-13 at 09:28 AM
Eyes. Nose. Mouth. Patterns to seek, colors to recognize, shapes familiar. Put it all together and it spells 'identity'. We know each other by sight foremost, and vision comes down to spotting and assembly of features.

And then the brain shorts out and cowers in a corner, shivering in fear.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBlank

To scream or not to scream. That is The Question.


"#331"
Posted by Estee on 01-06-13 at 11:10 AM
In fiction, locks are generally pointless. At best, you can get some stall time out of a good one -- but the hero always gets it open. Tumblers? Picked. Combination? Sensitive fingers. Electronic? Shorted. Magic? Dispelled. Computer? Hacked. Retinal scan? Is just begging for someone to do horrible things with your eyes. No matter what conventional tactic you use, eventually, the lock will fail.

So how about something totally unconventional? Say -- music. Sure, that'll fix the jerks! They'll have to play something in order to get through. How will they possibly know a song is required? And even if they get that far, there's no way they'll ever be able to work out which one it is. And if somehow, some way, they work that part out, you've set the thing up so that it requires a live performance and there's no way they're going to carrying a bloody musical instrument around on a quest --

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SongsInTheKeyOfLock

-- @#$%ing bards.


":( Not Penny's boat"
Posted by moonbaby on 01-06-13 at 02:53 PM
*sniffle*

"RE: #331"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-06-13 at 03:52 PM
I never got a free whistle in my Cap'n Crunch. Total gyp.

"#332"
Posted by Estee on 01-07-13 at 11:11 AM
I want to see the President.

I call the White House. The President answers the phone. I ask what time would be good for dropping by. He checks his schedule, gives me a best ETA, and we chat for a few minutes. Later that day, I go up to the White House and knock on the door. The President answers it. And thus I have achieved my goal.

Am I a politician of equal or greater power? A campaign donor with unlimited funding? An extremely talented trickster? Or did I just ring Grover Cleveland, who truly believed in an all-access executive branch?

In fiction, walking up to the head of a nation as one of the just-took-a-shower masses is a matter of effort.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatsUpKingDude

In real life, it stopped some time back.


"RE: #332"
Posted by dabo on 01-07-13 at 01:13 PM
I guess Desperate Partycrashers (film and real life) and Dan Brown's books don't count with the tropewriters.

Plus in real life, of course, no president ever just walks past a rope line without shaking hands and kibitzing and such.


"#333 (dare you!)"
Posted by Estee on 01-08-13 at 09:25 AM
There are certain names you just don't say.

The reasons for not saying them vary. Perhaps if you say the name once (twice, three times), it summons the entity in question and that's really not someone you want to see. Maybe it just draws their attention to you, and there are ways in which that could be even worse. It's a spell and not one of the good ones. It's taboo and anyone who hears you speak it will report you. The name brings back horrible memories and you'd really rather not relive them, thanks. Or it could be just bad luck -- and if that's the case, anyone who believes in that will blast you across the theater for uttering That Word.

But most of the time -- at least in reality -- it's just superstition.

Right?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheScottishTrope

MACBETH!


"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by dabo on 01-08-13 at 11:50 AM
Which of the following words did Webby ban here?

A. #####
B. #####
C. #####
D. #####


"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by Estee on 01-08-13 at 12:00 PM
Y'know, if PayPal ever sets up their national headquarters in Arlington, we're all screwed.

"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-08-13 at 12:28 PM
Whatever, I'm sure that @#$%@ used all of them (yeah, I don't mention that name either).

"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by Estee on 01-08-13 at 02:07 PM
Hantz?

(And there's that trope again.)


"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-08-13 at 02:58 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-08-13 AT 05:05 PM (EST)

So, you want to be cursed for all of eternity?


"RE: #333 (dare you!)"
Posted by dabo on 01-09-13 at 01:16 PM
The correct answer is

A. #####


"#334 (we've all seen it)"
Posted by Estee on 01-09-13 at 09:12 AM
Warning: non-PG13 language ahead.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GIFT

Totally accurate non-PG13 language.


"RE: #334 (we've all seen it)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-09-13 at 10:18 AM
Fortunately there's none of that here, as long as I stick my fingers in my ears and shout La-la-la-la.

"RE: #334 (we've all seen it)"
Posted by byoffer on 01-09-13 at 10:39 AM
I like the longer list of terms to "categorize" internet posters:

- Internet Tough Guy
- Troll
- White Knighting
- Garbage Post Kid
- Resident Freak
- A Darker Me
- Became Their Own Antithesis
- Griefer

I agree that we don't have most of these around RTVW (thankfully).



"RE: #334 (we've all seen it)"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-09-13 at 10:41 AM
Whatever happened to 4nic8?

"RE: #334 (we've all seen it)"
Posted by Estee on 01-10-13 at 09:39 AM
You missed #333, didn't you?

"#335"
Posted by Estee on 01-10-13 at 09:45 AM
"Russell Hantz is the greatest Survivor ever and the model for all future contestants to aspire to!"

"Russell Hantz is an idiot who only got as far as he did due to producer interference and the whole reason I don't watch the series any more!"

"You're wrong and here's fifty well-reasoned arguments why!"

"You're wrong and here's seventy-five even more well-reasoned arguments why!"

"Idiot!"

"Moron!"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BaseBreaker

"...look, let's just change topics."

"Fine."

"Benjamin Wade is a god."

*pulls gun*


"RE: #335"
Posted by kingfish on 01-10-13 at 10:01 AM
I know what you mean. That ole Michel, he'll argue a stump into dust.


http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID4/5196.shtml


(and yeah yeah, IR12)


"RE: #335"
Posted by dabo on 01-10-13 at 11:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-13 AT 11:54 PM (EST)

Yeah, boy. If you're ever bored, just dispute some nonsense michel claims wearing his ultimate arbiter of Survivor reality hat. This can turn into weeks and weeks of fun.

(That said, I don't think I'm picking on him when I challenge his assumptions, I only do it when I do disagree with him, and I do it knowing he enjoys trying to win these silly arguments. If he reads this he will probably come up with some way of misconstruing and reinterpretting what I just said to be something I actually didn't say, that's always especially fun.)


"RE: #335.5"
Posted by dabo on 01-10-13 at 11:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-13 AT 11:38 PM (EST)

Just for fun check out the live action TV folder. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Underboobs


"RE: #335.5"
Posted by SpotTheDifference on 01-10-13 at 11:49 PM
Genuinely surprised that none of the Dead or Alive girls are in the Video Games section. I'll have to play that game later just to make sure.

"RE: #335.5"
Posted by kingfish on 01-11-13 at 09:18 AM
Underboobage.....

"#336"
Posted by Estee on 01-11-13 at 09:42 AM
"...so right here, I'm going to put in a double loop. About five hundred feet past that -- just enough to relax -- we're gonna have a fifty-foot gap: I figure moving at top speed is just enough to jump it and barely grip the rails on the other side. Hairpin turn here -- gotta lean for that one -- six more just like it -- still trying to find a place for the quarter-mile straight drop where you keep waiting for the tracks to slant in..."

"And how does this help us transfer silver from one place to another?"

"It doesn't. But trust me, twenty years after you shut down, this is going to be awesome."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RollercoasterMine


"RE: #336"
Posted by kingfish on 01-11-13 at 09:58 AM
The excitement builds...who will post #100? Your guess is as good as "mine". And this "mine" is as close to thread continuity as I usually come.


Wheeeeeeee....

ANd, just where did Curley hide his gold, anyway?


"#337 (universal)"
Posted by Estee on 01-12-13 at 10:48 AM
Virtually every series.

Practically every show.

Way too many of the novels.

Several religions.

In practically every culture.

Constantly.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnresolvedSexualTension

Remove at your own peril.


"#338 (music)"
Posted by Estee on 01-13-13 at 02:47 PM
We're approaching the end of the song. You could reprise the chorus, play the arc theme one more time with a soft fade-out, add a last summation line --

-- or you could...

THROW OUT THE RHYTHM!

TOSS THE LYRICS!

EVERYBODY RIFF!

JAM FOR YOUR VERY LIVES!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigRockEnding

DODGE THE INEVITABLE PANTIES!


"great summations!"
Posted by dabo on 01-13-13 at 03:45 PM
it's a long way
to the top
if you wanna
rock n roll

"RE: great summations!"
Posted by Estee on 01-13-13 at 04:08 PM
I'm guessing we'll lose at least one person for five hours as they go through all the page's links.

"#339"
Posted by Estee on 01-14-13 at 10:06 AM
10:00 a.m. Finalize quarterly plan for siphoning off most of world's economy.

11:00 a.m. Write legislation to remove more rights from those unlucky enough not to be you.

12:00 p.m. Smoking break.

3:00 p.m. Attend funeral for yet another secret master of the world who died from lung cancer, which is in no way caused by smoking.

5:00 p.m. Defund cancer research.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmokyGentlemensClub

Never. Catch on.


"RE: #339"
Posted by byoffer on 01-14-13 at 11:01 AM
What, no reference to the Regal Beagle??



"???"
Posted by Estee on 01-14-13 at 11:59 AM
http://www.regalbeaglesd.com/

I also found a dog groomer.


"RE: ???"
Posted by byoffer on 01-15-13 at 10:25 AM
wasn't that the name of the decidedly not smokey gentlemen's club on Three's Company??

"#340"
Posted by Estee on 01-15-13 at 09:10 AM
Hi, feet!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FeetFirstIntroduction

...what?


"RE: #340"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-15-13 at 09:33 AM
Leading to the inevitable "lingering crotch shot" trope.

"#341"
Posted by Estee on 01-16-13 at 07:19 AM
What Australians don't understand about American sports:

* The ridiculously high number of survivors among both players and fans.

* A relatively low number of arrests before, during, and after games.

* The incredibly stupid absence of murders citing fan allegiance as motivation.

* Why, without all of the above, we even bother.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AustralianRulesFootball

What Americans don't understand about Australian sports: why, given said above, we would ever risk showing up.


"RE: #341"
Posted by kingfish on 01-16-13 at 09:49 AM
I appreciate someone finally explaining this game to me. Now, if only I could get Cricket.

Sorry Starshine, but it really is a silly game.


"RE: #341"
Posted by byoffer on 01-16-13 at 09:58 AM
Aussie Rules is a fantastic game. I have been to a game live, and in fact have a cousin (actually cousin of my mother) who is a hall of famer in the sport.

It has this "blood sport" fame around the world, but I think that taking the worst highlights from any sport would do that. In reality it is a lot like rugby in that the amount of running involved greatly reduces the violence that affects American football. Another they do is a weekly tribunal wherein they review the video of all the weekly games and penalize players caught doing bad things outside the referees' line of vision.

The actual game is very physical, requiring a lot of running, jumping, kicking, catching, and yes, tackling. The field is huge.

Perhaps the most violent part of the game is the uniforms - have you seen those colours??


"RE: #341"
Posted by Estee on 01-16-13 at 10:22 AM
Perhaps the most violent part of the game is the uniforms - have you seen those colours??

Note the very last trope on the page list.

Roughly how many years did your cousin put in, and at what position? Plus -- because this is the big question for any professional sport -- how was the pay/endorsements?


"RE: #341"
Posted by byoffer on 01-16-13 at 12:13 PM
I wouldn't know him well enough to answer all your questions.
In the late 80s I went to Australia and got to see a game because of him. He drove us to the game, but after we arrived we never saw him again and a car was sent to drive us home*. We were given seats in the executive box, which down there was one big box area for all corporate seats. We were behind glass (which one wife thankfully complained about and got opened) and the only real advantage to these seats was that we got scones at half time. I don't even recall if we were served alcohol.

Without disclosing too much, I compare him to Bobby Clarke. He played in the 60s and 70s, was captain of his team when they won their first championship, played 14 seasons, coached for a few (I believe he was even a player-coach for a season or two), and ended up working for the team for 23 years in marketing after he stopped playing (the bio shows a gap between playing and marketing - I am not sure what he did between).

Apparently his position was half-forward flanker/centreman, if that means anything to you (it doesn't to me).

I think he made a living playing/coaching/managing, but don't think many sports around the world made athletes rich back in the 60s & 70s.

From Wikipedia:
Salaries for senior players are not normally released to the public, although one report put the average for 2011 at $211,000 and the top few players can expect to earn up to $1,000,000 a year.

Certainly not silly money like in many North American sports and world soccer.

*funny side note on the ride home. We shared this car with some other guy (must have been a corporate perk for him?). He was quite loaded. In a sign of the times, he was intrigued that we were from North America and knew the results of the NBA finals that had happened about a month before. Pre-internet I guess, and the games hadn't aired down there yet. He was sure he could win some money off his friends if we told him the results. We let him guess the results, and his enjoyment piqued. All these years later I chuckle about that ride, and will always wonder how much money that guy lost betting on the wrong NBA team.


"RE: #341"
Posted by Estee on 01-16-13 at 12:44 PM
Half-forward flanker/centreman sounds like a pick-up approach at a really sleazy nightclub.

Thankee. I wasn't asking for (and didn't expect) a family tree, but I was a little curious about how some of it worked. And frankly, ditching you at the gate just screams professional athlete...

Modern salaries are workable, but they'd better have an amazing long-term healthcare plan.

The betting thing was just mean.

I can't associate scones with Australia. I'm trying. It's not working.


"RE: #341"
Posted by byoffer on 01-16-13 at 02:54 PM
It wasn't ditching us at the gate, but not far from it. I remember being disappointed at the time. That was 1989, and my mother had left Australia in about 1961, settling in North America in 1964. Despite having been away for 25 years (and only one visit in between) she wrote so many letters to her large family there (pre-email) that the family went to great efforts to accommodate me (and my traveling mate). People drove long distances, put up huge spreads (hear of "all you can eat"? People went way past that for us!), and very much disrupted their lives, all as a way to say thanks to my mother (who would visit herself a few years later). It was great that we were taken to the game, and I have no idea what sort of game-time commitments that he might have had, but his level of effort didn't seem to match those of the rest of the family. Whether that was because he had been a star athlete or was just the best he could do given other commitments I will never know.

I am still proud to call him a relative, and I cheer for his team - which I consider my team - each season.


"#342"
Posted by Estee on 01-17-13 at 09:47 AM
...let's run through that again.

Okay! 'Would you like me to post the trope now, or wait 'til you get home?'

'Post the trope now, post the trope now now.'

'You keep out of this, she doesn't have to post the trope now.'

HA! That's it, hold it right there! *aside glance* Pronoun trouble. (Beat) It's not "She doesn't have to post the trope now", it's "I don't have to post the trope now".

...

Well, I say she does have to post the trope now! So ''post the trope now!''

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DuckSeasonRabbitSeason

...DAMN IT!


"RE: #342"
Posted by Snidget on 01-17-13 at 10:16 AM

"RE: #342"
Posted by kingfish on 01-17-13 at 10:55 AM
(Reviving an old item).

"'You keep out of this, she doesn't have to post the trope now.'"

We no longer have to wonder about Estee's gender. It was a fun debate while it lasted, and it was one of the longest running points of controversy we have ever had. One I'm sure she enjoyed as much as we did. I’ll admit that I feel kinda nostalgic knowing that I no longer have to use the awkward "he/she" references, but now that she has confirmed which set of pronouns is most apropos, and most probably (not absolutely conclusively, however) which set of genitals she sports, we can at least rest easier and begin to wonder about other things that we really have no business wondering about.

Or maybe we’ve been “catfished” ala Manti Te'o?



"RE: #342"
Posted by Estee on 01-17-13 at 11:05 AM
My 2013 Politically Incorrect fantasy football team will be named Kingfish's Vivisected Corpse.

I call dibs.


"RE: #342"
Posted by kingfish on 01-17-13 at 11:53 AM
I liked it. It was straight to the point, had a smart cross-reference, and was unfettered with insincere flattery. But for a coming out (as a woman) speech, you could take a pointer from Jodi.

However, I’m not sure I want to see (or be) your mascot.


"RE: #342"
Posted by Estee on 01-17-13 at 12:13 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-17-13 AT 12:14 PM (EST)

I named it after the mascot.

Well, the upcoming mascot.


"RE: #342"
Posted by byoffer on 01-17-13 at 11:35 AM
Did you see the real life example? Cute and funny.

"#343"
Posted by Estee on 01-18-13 at 08:02 AM
...Age Of Aquariums?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NewAge

I guess you have to put all those crystals somewhere.


"#344 (not even remotely PG13)"
Posted by Estee on 01-19-13 at 11:13 AM
Oh sure, I'm not going to regret posting this one at all...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallingYourOrgasms

I like to think of this one as self-perpetuating cliche. Before you ever have sex, you read about people doing this or watch simulations of -- varying quality -- which have this being done. So when you finally get to the deed, you're firmly convinced you have to do it. Which leads to a new generation of writers including it in the scripts -- and so the cycle continues. And of course, if you say it, it must be happening.

*rolls eyes*

If it's said twice as loud, is it twice as convincing?

The hallmark of bad adult entertainment acting: 'I am arriving at this location, at this time, due to stimulation which I can no longer bear! Huzzah!'


"RE: #344 (not even remotely PG13)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-20-13 at 12:48 PM
Audible climaxing? I would touch that with a 10" pole.

"RE: #344 (not even remotely PG13)"
Posted by Estee on 01-20-13 at 01:02 PM
You should really get the owner's permission first.

"#345"
Posted by Estee on 01-20-13 at 12:34 PM
My personal favorite.

mine eyes have seen the glory
of the burning of the school
we have tortured all the teachers
we have broken every rule.
we took the principal's office
and we murderlated the fool
our summer begins right now!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlaygroundSong

'Murderlated' is an actual word.


"RE: #345"
Posted by kingfish on 01-20-13 at 01:02 PM
"To-re-ador-ah,
Don't spit on the floor,
Use the cuspidor
That's what it's for!"

Then, there's the ever popular,"

"On top of spaghetti, all covered with cheese
I lost my poor meatball, when somebody sneezed.

It rolled past the table, it rolled on the floor
And then my poor meatball, it rolled out the door

So if you have spaghetti, all covered with cheese
Hang onto your meatball, and don't ever sneeze!"


"RE: #345"
Posted by kingfish on 01-20-13 at 05:21 PM
'Murderlated' is an actual word.

No doubt introduced to the language by the "Bowery Boys".


"RE: #345"
Posted by dabo on 01-20-13 at 09:52 PM
That was "moiderlated."

"#346 (all of your kids)"
Posted by Estee on 01-21-13 at 09:30 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RaisedByOrcs

...okay, so this is actually the trope concerning children being abducted by the enemy and raised to hate you and everything you stand for. So realistically, it's mostly about your kids if you happen to be divorced.

Deny it.


"#347"
Posted by Estee on 01-22-13 at 10:25 AM
Unlike real life, a fictional character's death tends to mean something for the larger world around them. They might go out with a heroic sacrifice: that's always popular. Maybe their dying breath is the one which triggers the deux ex machina of the story. With their last twitch, the button is pushed. And so on down the line -- all of which is typically accepted because ideally, the audience has grown to love that character (sometimes over decades) and wants to see them accomplish something at the last. So typically, that's the general way deaths wind up happening.

And at other times? A new director has taken over the series and always hated that character, so it's time to undo everything the original showrunner ever put together. The author has been working with this creation for thousands of pages and is sick of their own work, so revenge is coming. The actress quit and now the writing staff is going to punish her. And when those circumstances turn up, the deaths start to become decidedly petty. Totally meaningless. Suicide offscreen: the audience gets no chance at a goodbye. Stepped on a tack and got blood poisoning. Ran into the villain with exactly one power and it's 'kill this character instantly'. Walked under a ladder. Whatever it is, there's no dignity to it, no great or small positive deed accomplished. The character may even go out in a way that screwed it up for everyone else. It is frequently small-minded, it is typically vindictive, it royally pisses off the fanbase, and it happens all the time.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DroppedABridgeOnHim

It's not going to stop any time soon.


"Most notably, "
Posted by kingfish on 01-22-13 at 12:56 PM
The unlamented off screen between-season demise of Charlie Harper of 2 1/2 men. And the squashing like a bug of (not to mention pulverizing the fictional body of) the role for Charlie Sheen.

Didn't find that listed, but the lists were pretty long and I only scanned.


"RE: Most notably, "
Posted by dabo on 01-22-13 at 01:39 PM
Oh, it's there, just way way down the ahem! Live-Action coff TV tab:

•Charlie's death on Two and a Half Men certainly qualifies as he was killed by a girlfriend pushing him into an on-coming train. It was done between seasons and off-camera.

Unusually short with no mention of Charlie Sheen having been fired and committing virtual career suicide.


"Which is why..."
Posted by Estee on 01-22-13 at 02:02 PM
...actors have their own pages.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharlieSheen

The series page also makes note of it in several places.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TwoAndAHalfMen?from=Main.TwoAndAHalfMen


"RE: Most notably, "
Posted by Estee on 01-22-13 at 01:51 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-22-13 AT 01:59 PM (EST)

On the series page, Charlie also gets a subtrope out of it: McLeaned, which is a bridge being dropped specifically because the performer departed.

In Charlie's case, it was successive bridges of increasingly greater size.


"#348"
Posted by Estee on 01-23-13 at 09:20 AM
What always amazes me about this one is how even the coating and impression wind up being. Try it out yourself and I bet there's a joint missing on the results, or the palm line is completely filled in, or you smeared off to the left instead of a clean lift off the wall -- anyway, it won't be a perfect one and that's the point I'm making. And the mark you're leaving will lack something. Like about four pints.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BloodyHandprint

...all right, the wimps can do it with paint as a warmup.


"Count Wilfred the Hairy"
Posted by kingfish on 01-23-13 at 09:38 AM
Barcelona guys should consult with Joisey guys when they need a nickname. "Split Nose" Napoli beats "Wilfred the Hairy" by a mile.

"The coat-of-arms of Catalonia is four red pallets on a gold background. A legend says that it was created when the badly wounded Count Wilfred the Hairy of Barcelona passed his bloody fingers across the golden shield awarded to him by the Emperor of the Franks."

Count Wilfred the Hairy of Barcelona! What a guy.


"RE: Count Wilfred the Hairy"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-23-13 at 10:59 AM
Franks have their own emperor? Who's the Emperor of Eddie's?

"#349"
Posted by Estee on 01-24-13 at 08:58 AM
So, Newsome, how do you feel I should vote on that public referendum?

Uh-huh.

Right.

Naturally.

I see your logic there.

But of course.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiAdvice

I'll get right on that.


"RE: #349"
Posted by kingfish on 01-24-13 at 10:53 AM
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-13 AT 10:54 AM (EST)

So, like, how about the trope where the "always wrong Bob" actually has a little perception and catches on that someone is doing the opposite of what he recommends, and begins to offer advice that is opposite of what he would usually offer?

How about that, eh? Hadn’t thought of that, I bet.

Have I inspired Newsome? Is Estee's day of reckoning at hand, or will she follow Newsome’s advice because she catches on that he has caught on to her having caught on in the first place. Stay tuned.

We will find out in the next thrilling episode of..."Days of our RTVW Lives".


"RE: #349"
Posted by Estee on 01-24-13 at 11:06 AM
But now that you've given him that advice, he has to do the opposite of it. Which would be to keep on keepin' on.

Oops.


"RE: #349"
Posted by kingfish on 01-24-13 at 12:06 PM
We've defined the "Neverending Trope".

"#350"
Posted by Estee on 01-25-13 at 09:41 AM
Some directors and cinematographers have a go-to framing device. And they just keep going to it...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SignatureShot

So. For our 'favorite' reality producers, what are theirs?

I'll save Snidget the trouble: for Dancing With The Stars, the signature shot is waiting for the most crucial moment in the performance, then filming whatever's happening on the other side of the ballroom.


"RE: #350"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-25-13 at 11:51 AM
Signature shot for Survivor seems to be a shot of an animal looking down at the crazy humans who have invaded his habitat.



Capn2patch put me in motion!


"RE: #350"
Posted by kingfish on 01-25-13 at 12:05 PM
TAR:
Phil, taking the pause that lasts forever when informing the last team to arrive at the pitstop whether or not this is a non-elimination leg.

Survivor:
The crotch shots.


"RE: #350"
Posted by Estee on 01-25-13 at 12:50 PM
For the Race, the first thing that came to mind was the overhead swoop that always takes the shot of the teams on the final mat. A few seasons ago, it would have been Mr. Clue Hands.

I don't know why you think shots of the Hantz clan are MB's signature.

...sounds accurate, though.


"RE: #350"
Posted by Snidget on 01-25-13 at 01:05 PM
I thought for TAR it would be the long, lingering, loving shots of the poor forlorn clue box or clue marker no one can see.

"RE: #350"
Posted by Estee on 01-25-13 at 01:26 PM
One would think that after this many seasons, Rule #10 in the Racer's Handbook would read 'I will take pains to look at whatever my camera operator is filming.'

"RE: #350"
Posted by kidflash212 on 01-25-13 at 01:07 PM
Hell's Kitchen - Gordon throwing a plate of food in the trash or puking into the trash.

America's Next Top Model - Tyra looking as if someone passed gas next to her.


"RE: #350"
Posted by Estee on 01-25-13 at 01:19 PM
Oh, you mean Tyra's 'I have accidentally cast someone who could have a career superior to mine, or for that matter, any career at all. I must destroy her' face?


"#351 (not what you think it is)"
Posted by Estee on 01-26-13 at 09:02 AM
Take a second and make your guess.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScriptWank

Wrong. This trope is for the often-annoying habit of, after spending an entire story in teaching the audience A Very Important Lesson, using the end of the tale to explicitly spell out just what that lesson was. You know, in case the whole bloody story being about that moral wasn't enough for you. Diagrams may be involved. And yes, letters are written to princesses. Except when they're not.

As noted in the description, this one gets sent up the river fairly often. And keeps paddling back.



"#352"
Posted by Estee on 01-27-13 at 10:44 AM
Awaiting your horror stories.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SchoolPlay

You have them.


"#353"
Posted by Estee on 01-28-13 at 01:24 PM
The lead page quote on this one was too perfect not to use.

"I'd like to help you, but I can't. I'd like to tell you to take a copy of your policy to Norma Wilcox on" *hands his client notepad and pen* "Norma Wilcox, W-I-L-C-O-X - on the 3rd floor, but I can't. I also do not advise you to fill out and file a WS-2574 form with our legal department on the 2nd floor. I would not expect someone to get back to you quickly to resolve the matter. I'd like to help, but there's nothing I can do."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CouldSayItBut

The Real Life example I enjoyed the most was just too profane.

Third from last on the list. Starshine, want to explain British libel for the class?


"RE: #353"
Posted by kingfish on 01-28-13 at 03:03 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-28-13 AT 03:03 PM (EST)

I understand and sympathize with your reluctance to post your SSN and banking pin numbers, that would be very unwise. So don't do that. But if you were to, what would you post?


"#354"
Posted by Estee on 01-29-13 at 09:32 AM
Sugar...

Eggs...

Milk...

Flour...

Cocoa...

Hacksaw...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JailBake

Do Not Microwave tag...


"RE: #354"
Posted by kingfish on 01-29-13 at 05:30 PM
Well, you can just stick that hacksaw up your...

Oh, wait, that is the other alternative.


"#355 (science fiction/fact)"
Posted by Estee on 01-30-13 at 09:12 AM
When it comes to fuel for space travel, there is in fact such a thing as a free lunch. The problem is that the food comes one atom at a time and guess who has to go out and collect it?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RamScoop

As theories go, it's a workable one: building the thing is the impossible part. If you can make this, you're probably halfway to a Dyson sphere and then what was the point? Plus, someone has to go out and clean the thing. And they will never, ever be finished.

Fun idea. But like most hard science advanced concepts, the execution just isn't there.


"RE: #355 (science fiction/fact)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-30-13 at 10:58 AM
From the "Duh" file of obvious solutions to the problem of carrying enough hydrogen for interstellar flight:

Take my friend Ralph (name changed for no good reason, his real name is Johann) with you, along with an ample quantity of bean burritos and boiled cabbage. It should be no problem to separate the pesky Carbon atom from the 4 Hydrogen atoms in his methane trail. As an added bonus? he also produces Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S, rotten egg gas).

I calculate that Ralph could power a ship to Alpha Centauri and back, and if you want to go farther, find another Ralph.


"RE: #355 (science fiction/fact)"
Posted by Estee on 01-30-13 at 11:36 AM
Did you want to work the ratio math on 'mass of food carried:mass of hydrogen produced', or should I?

"RE: #355 (science fiction/fact)"
Posted by kingfish on 01-30-13 at 01:11 PM
I'd do it except that I can't find a reference for how many hydrogen atoms are in a bean burrito. A zillion?

"#356 (video games)"
Posted by Estee on 01-31-13 at 09:22 AM
Classic two-person fighting games with each player controlling one combatant tend to have a lot of characters. A lot of characters. Some you start out with, some you have to unlock by winning games, some are secret until you hit just the right button combination -- given enough time, you're going to personal war with the population of a small country whose only export is ridiculously mixed martial arts. And every one of those characters needs their own design, backstory, special moves -- designing them can become exhausting. There's only so many martial arts styles in the world, you know, and so few of them include energy blasts.

So naturally, this is where the Lazy Creator Cheat comes in. Why not have two characters use the same style? They can duplicate each other's moves, have nearly the same wardrobe -- maybe they went to the same dojo and they're natural rivals, or they used to be best friends but now they must kill each other -- the point is, they look a lot alike, they move exactly alike, and there's one less group of button combinations to memorize. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?

Everyone thought of that before.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RyuAndKen

Repeatedly.


"RE: #356 (video games)"
Posted by dabo on 01-31-13 at 01:23 PM
lol the Real Life Examples

Lions and Tigers
Jaguars and Leopards
Hawks and Eagles
Lennon and McCartney ...


"#357"
Posted by Estee on 02-01-13 at 09:36 AM
Maine Coon.

Savannah.

On up.

Way up.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MegaNeko

Don't ask about the litter box.

Llyan is probably the best-known example for Americans. And that just barely.


"RE: #357"
Posted by kingfish on 02-01-13 at 09:57 AM
We really know that we have evolved as RTVW fans and as a society when we can openly talk about big pussies. OK, we all know a few big pussies, right? But up to now no one has openly and in a normal, very PG way, dared to discuss them.

Fuzzy little pussies, cute and cuddly as they are, have been the object of fawning devotion for far too long, pushing their bigger and hairier cousins deep undercover, deeper into the shadows. I understand that many have gone down to Brazil, while others utilize a landing strip just south of the border.

So here I am, I am coming out of the closet to reveal that I too like the big ole pussies.

Here's to big pussy freedom, and to fans of big pussies, and to the goal of everyone everywhere being able to express their love and devotion for big hairy pussies.

I salute you.


"RE: #357"
Posted by byoffer on 02-01-13 at 10:43 AM
*friskies*

"RE: #357"
Posted by Estee on 02-01-13 at 10:50 AM
{Fluttershy}I regret everything.{/Fluttershy}

"RE: #357"
Posted by kingfish on 02-01-13 at 05:57 PM
So, like, when are we getting a big "Muff" trope? It's winter, and we all need to keep our hands warm.

Shortly, spring will be here, the season when beavers emerge from their hidden little spots and start slapping tails all over the place. And we all know how much fun slapping beaver tail is.


"#358"
Posted by Estee on 02-02-13 at 10:46 AM
From the Lessons No One Learns department: if you're a celebrity, you're being watched. If you do something, it gets noticed. If you do something bad, it makes headlines. And if the headlines are bad enough, your employers may wonder why they're bothering with you.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoleEndingMisdemeanor

Eventually, they stop bothering.


"RE: #358"
Posted by dabo on 02-02-13 at 09:41 PM
No wonder the Brits had their own petition that he not be deported back to them:

•Piers Morgan was fired as Editor of the Daily Mirror in 2004 after giving the okay to print a series of photos apparently implicating a British Army unit in Iraqi prisoner abuse. Within days these were proven to be fake and he left in shame. Interestingly it seems that most of the public have either forgotten this or chosen to ignore it, as he has since become a relatively successful television personality.

Bizarrely, however, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't despise him. One possible explanation is that his first TV job after the incident was on Britain's Got Talent alongside Simon Cowell, where he could easily manipulate audiences to think of him as the nicer judge to Simon Cowell's judgmental bastard. (Although of course it's debatable as to whether he took on the role of the "Evil Judge". Either way, the position on the show somehow worked for him.)


"#359"
Posted by Estee on 02-03-13 at 10:35 AM
Sometimes I just like to post the trope's title and let the actual contents come as a surprise to you.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImAHumanitarian

This is one of those times.


"RE: #359"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-03-13 at 11:50 AM
Thanks for that. I never knew the story of "Timothy" by the Buoys before.



Capn2patch put me in motion!


"RE: #359"
Posted by Estee on 02-03-13 at 12:03 PM
I think it actually came up in OT once before in a thread about really depressing songs.

So technically, this is the second helping.


"RE: #359"
Posted by kingfish on 02-07-13 at 09:50 AM
"Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground.

No, I'd druther have "em" cut me up
And pass me all around.

Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes.

And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size"

A John Prine Ditty.



"#360"
Posted by Estee on 02-04-13 at 09:18 AM
Drake Mallard.

Grace Sciuridae.

Heffer Wolfe.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpeciesSurname

Guy Mann-Dude.


"RE: #360"
Posted by kingfish on 02-04-13 at 12:10 PM
King Fish.

Stud Muffin.

(Potato, Tomato)


"#361"
Posted by Estee on 02-05-13 at 08:33 AM
On the bright side, you now have this handy excess of carbon dioxide.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlmostOutOfOxygen


"RE: #361"
Posted by kingfish on 02-05-13 at 12:12 PM
I...can't...catch...my...breath...

What? Oh. I'm underwater. Carry on.


"#362 (Jesus, but not his followers)"
Posted by Estee on 02-06-13 at 09:03 AM
I do love this page quote, despite the frequent total unreality of it:

"The tyrant dies, his rule ends. The martyr dies, and his rule begins."
— Søren Kierkegaard

More typically, a martyr dies, and then another martyr dies, and then a whole bunch of them die at once, and then the tyrant graduates to wholesale massacre and calls it a day.

But at other times...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoomedMoralVictor

Of course, what people then do in the name of that martyr quickly turns into tyranny. Ironic, isn't it?


"RE: #362 (Jesus, but not his followers)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-06-13 at 09:51 AM
Recalling Post #1,

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID6/37881.shtml#1

But, you know, it's much more satisfying when tyrants murder tyrants. Should be a spectator sport.


"RE: #362 (Jesus, but not his followers)"
Posted by byoffer on 02-06-13 at 05:26 PM
Wait, wasn't Shakes banned so this place could thrive??

Shakes the Martyr.

Needs a cool siggie.


"#363 "
Posted by Estee on 02-07-13 at 12:35 PM
...you see, the body on the toilet was manufactured by alien technology using a cloning technique we're barely capable of recognizing as one, and it was all just to free him from the bonds of his Earthly connections so that he could seek out his true destiny among the stars --

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ElvisHasLeftThePlanet

-- dear gawds, how did this many examples make it onto one page?


"RE: #363 "
Posted by kingfish on 02-07-13 at 01:44 PM
This is one trope for which there really should be personally (by me) selected real life examples.


"RE: #363 "
Posted by Estee on 02-07-13 at 02:02 PM
Real life examples of planets you believe Elvis to be from?

There's a master trope for celebrities from outer space, referenced on the page. It's just a shock to see that many Elvis uses.


"RE: #363 "
Posted by kingfish on 02-07-13 at 04:00 PM
Kingfish has left the pond.

"#364 (Survivor, Wednesday.)"
Posted by Estee on 02-08-13 at 08:23 AM
Matching performer to role is a careful process. You always want to be careful about the talent you're getting. Even in the digital age, there's only so much special effects can do: unless your budget is approaching nine digits, a live-action actor's appearance will probably be some kind of consideration. You want to look at the demographics of your prospective audience and how your ultimate choice might pull them in. You probably want to be careful about any accents which might crop up in the finished work. If you're basing the film on something else, then people probably have some idea of what the character looks like based on years of reading the original work and you might want to line up with that just a little. And so on down the line until you get your round peg in the round hole and the entire engine starts to turn.

And sometimes...

Well, sometimes there's a musician who's really popular right now and placing her in the lead would get her entire fanbase: never mind that she can't act and can barely sing, it's all about those ticket sales. Or maybe you've got a crush on the himbo of the hour and rumor has it he'll sleep with any casting director who gives him a juicy role. Any casting director. The studio director's niece is going to break into the business and talent is no consideration, and also isn't present in any form. The Greenlight Guy loves this one actor, puts him in everything and no matter how horribly inappropriate he is for this part, he's going in this. Hey, doesn't that wrestler have a month to play with? Or maybe you get a completely delusional executive producer who thinks the absolute dregs of his previous works are what the audience came to see and then convinces the host to sell crap as gold on pain of death, mostly that of the audience.

Yes, once again, for no reason the reviewers will let you get away with, they have hired the

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WTHCastingAgency

Attending the final product is optional.


"RE: #364 (Survivor, Wednesday.)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-08-13 at 09:49 AM
IMO casting Tom (Thumb) Cruise as 6'6" 200#+ action hero epitomizes this trope, although special effects and having everyone else stand in holes does tend to make it more believable that that 4'0" midget could actually be a super athlete. Gymnastics and race horse jockeys aside.

I don’t like his religion either. I would, however, like to meet any of his ex-wives.


"#365 (universal)"
Posted by Estee on 02-09-13 at 10:47 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Facepalm

No explanation necessary.


"#366"
Posted by Estee on 02-10-13 at 10:41 AM
Was there supposed to be something special about today?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForgottenAnniversary

...no, nothing's coming to mind...


"RE: #366"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-10-13 at 10:46 AM
Anniversary of your first post? I didn't forget, that darn snow delayed delivery of the gift.

"RE: #366"
Posted by byoffer on 02-10-13 at 06:09 PM
Happy Anniversary, OT-Tropes!!

"RE: #366"
Posted by kingfish on 02-10-13 at 07:48 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-13 AT 07:56 PM (EST)


Not going to verify anything, but if it's an anniversary, congrats..

But if it is, I have to challenge the "random" aspect of this. However, it is appropos, and I can appreciate the humor.

We all should live out own realities, and achieve existentialism on our own terms. (Just practicing Rihanna speak).


"#367"
Posted by Estee on 02-11-13 at 09:20 AM
If you plug this device into a wall socket which delivers 110 volts of electricity, it will work.

Therefore, if you plugged into a wall socket which delivers 220 volts, it must work twice as well.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimTaylorTechnology

Science!


"RE: #367"
Posted by kingfish on 02-11-13 at 10:50 AM
THe Superbowl blackout cause. Beyonce plugged ine one too many strobe lights.

(Just making the obligatory bloody obvious response. That's my job, and I take it seriously).


"#368"
Posted by Estee on 02-12-13 at 07:54 AM
Two people.

One dinner.

Fifteen feet between the soup and salad.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TableSpace

This, BTW, is a dating dealbreaker on the level of 8.6 Richter.


"RE: #368"
Posted by kingfish on 02-12-13 at 09:58 AM
If you can play footsies under those conditions, you'd better hire a pedicurist for both of you.

"#369 (hey kids, guess who it is here!)"
Posted by Estee on 02-13-13 at 08:36 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFriendNobodyLikes

*strolls away whistling*


"RE: #369 (hey kids, guess who it is here!)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-13-13 at 09:26 AM
OK, is it that I steal most of the #200 posts? And that I deride anyone who is slow to the post with chest beating and loud braying laughter?

Is that it?


"#370"
Posted by Estee on 02-14-13 at 09:31 AM
Oh, what a cute little kids' program this is. Look at all the bright colors and happy laughing fuzzy characters. Just listen to the silly songs they're singing about the upcoming blindingly obvious moral of our simple story. And here comes the bad guy, whose worst crime will probably be taking a second helping of dessert without asking --

-- oh my dear gawds what in the burning realms is that and how can we put it back?!?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VileVillainSaccharineShow

...can't sleep, monster will eat me, can't sleep, monster will eat me...


"RE: #370"
Posted by kingfish on 02-14-13 at 02:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-14-13 AT 02:30 PM (EST)

I have to tell all the little fry all the time, Estee is not waiting under the coral bed for the light to go out. And if you think you see eyes staring at you from the darkened closet, it’s just starlight reflecting off some buttons.


"#371 (children's novel)"
Posted by Estee on 02-15-13 at 09:38 AM
As before, there are times when the Random button lands on a troped-out work of fiction instead of one of the tropes used to describe it. Given the significance of this book to a few of our population plus its Carnegie Medal status, I'm giving it the slot.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheMachineGunners

Never read this. Gonna have to rectify that.


"RE: #371 (children's novel)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-15-13 at 12:59 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-13 AT 01:09 PM (EST)

Me too.

My immediate boss was a child refugee from Germany and the son of one of the German scientists that worked for Werner Von Braun when he was building V2 rockets that Germany bombed England with during WWII, who also accompanied him when he surrendered to the Allies, and who worked for him during his days building America's Space program, most notably the Apollo program Saturn V rocket.

As a 5 year old, he (my boss) was in the bunkers at Peenemunde that were bombed by the British. He says that that was pretty scary. Once he says his bunker was hit and the other half of the bunker caved in.


"RE: #371 (children's novel)"
Posted by Estee on 02-15-13 at 04:35 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-15-13 AT 04:36 PM (EST)

Werner Von Braun

Did he ever learn Chinese?

If he was alive today, he might be studying Korean at best possible speed...

So -- the entire team got (effective) pardons and fresh employment? Nice to know you can bring people out with you... And yes, sometimes it's all about where you're standing. It's arguably at least half of any war -- for the bystanders as well.

I checked Amazon: the book is $0.99 used or $6.15 Kindle.


"RE: #371 (children's novel)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-15-13 at 05:00 PM
Yeah, and Werner was a big deal Nazi. Sworn in and uniformed. Probably all of them were. But fortunately they were all too willing to sell out, and we were all too willing to forgive. We had to beat the Russians, after all.

One, Dr. Rudolph, was deported in the 90s after it was alleged (with some proof) that he ran the V2 factory in mountain tunnels that used slave prison (Jew) labor. Where the workers deliberately sabotaged a lot of the rockets.

I haven't heard of any others in that group that suffered any ill consequence of their years devoted to raining death and destruction on Britain and Europe. My boss doesn’t seem to be dodging anything. His Nuremburg defense would be “Hey, I was just a kid”.

Much as I am tempted to get the $.99 (plus $4+ handling, I suppose) copy, it would probably just join a stack of other unread hard copies. I’ve become a Kindle guy, and $6.15 isn’t a bad deal since it comes without the surcharges.


"#372"
Posted by Estee on 02-16-13 at 08:54 AM
I'll just go with the page quote from Craig Charles: "Guys, no mad scientist ever named their evil plan to take over the world 'Project W'."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LetXBeTheUnknown

People just keep thinking that using an X as part of something's title makes something more interesting. Cool. Potentially pornographic. Unless you're not using the English alphabet, in which case, there's probably some poor other letter being asked to carry the burden of awesome. Gawds only know what this does to Hebrew. And the kanji languages? Screwed.

It's a load-bearing letter. (The spread legs don't help.)


"RE: #372"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-16-13 at 10:04 AM
Wasn't there an evil plan to take over the world named Project W during the years of 2000-2008?

"RE: #372"
Posted by Estee on 02-16-13 at 02:36 PM
Yes, but the page quote comes from a work of fiction.

"#373"
Posted by Estee on 02-17-13 at 10:45 AM
to seek out new life

to boldly go

where no one has gone before

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFinalFrontier


"RE: #373"
Posted by kingfish on 02-17-13 at 11:52 AM
Hey, the bible don’t say nothing about making no space, just earth and heaven and other stuff.

So there ain’t no space. It’s all a CGI plot by Obama.




To the Shwack shack with you!


"RE: #373"
Posted by Estee on 02-17-13 at 12:08 PM
Okay, that's it. When do the Toilet Papers now claim he took office?

"RE: #373"
Posted by Snidget on 02-17-13 at 05:08 PM
Didn't he hypnotized Bush and others to do his bidding until he could take office himself?

See that way anything they did wrong really wasn't them, it was Obama.


"RE: #373"
Posted by kingfish on 02-17-13 at 05:33 PM
Oh well now you're just being silly.

"RE: #373"
Posted by Estee on 02-17-13 at 06:32 PM
Sure, I knew that -- but this current proposal means he had to be President Of The United States a few thousand years before there was a United States. And that's the 'planet created in 4000 B.C.
minimum. In other words, he's now up to hypnotizing the Christian deity.

I don't know whether to be confused or impressed.


"RE: #373"
Posted by Snidget on 02-18-13 at 08:17 AM
Of course the antichrist has been at it since the beginning of time.

"RE: #373"
Posted by kingfish on 02-18-13 at 09:13 AM
The AntiChrist = Obama.

And now we've come full circle.


"#374 (mostly comics)"
Posted by Estee on 02-18-13 at 09:47 AM
One of the problems people who fight using metahuman abilities run into is -- exactly that: they fight using their metahuman ability. And nothing else. Discover you have super strength and a punch becomes the answer to every problem. If you're so resistant to injury that bullets can't penetrate, you have no incentive to learn duck, weave, and rope-a-dope. Why get out of the way on any opponent's attack? It's not as if you're going to get hurt: just take the meaningless impact and fight on. And so it goes down the line.

Until your metahuman rear gets handed to you.

Because there are people out there with powers who don't rely on them. They've studied extra tricks. How to use a computer manually when they can't cyberlink with it. Sneaking around for those times when invisibility has shorted out. How to fight -- which means that when you run into someone just as strong as you, she knows where to hit you, how to get through the defenses you didn't even bother learning in the first place, and fifty ways to humiliate her opponent.

Assuming you live through the experience, the next post-healing step is just about universal.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BoxingLessonsForSuperman

Because there are people more powerful than you. Because there are times when it all goes away. And because dear gawds, you throw a punch like a two-year old.


"#375"
Posted by Estee on 02-19-13 at 09:26 AM
"The producers of Sledge Hammer! were convinced the show would be cancelled after its first season, so ended it on a cliffhanger that couldn't possibly be resolved. (Hammer attempts to defuse a nuclear bomb and accidentally sets it off, destroying Los Angeles.) The show was unexpectedly renewed and we got this:

Narrator: Previously On Sledge Hammer!...

Captain Trunk: Hammer, you can't defuse that bomb!

Sledge: Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

He tries to defuse the bomb and sets it off."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CliffhangerCopout

"Narrator: Tonight's episode takes place five years before that fateful explosion."

Also known as the other official trope of The Bachelor.


"RE: #375"
Posted by kingfish on 02-19-13 at 12:07 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-13 AT 12:29 PM (EST)

This one will usually cause me to opt out.

"Lost" lost me with the weekly cliffhangers (heck, they did it before almost every commercial break), and I was watching "The Last Resort" until a central character's wife escaped an exploding van due to a plot hole you could have driven a, well, a van, thru. Obviously she had no time to get out of the van and get beyond a survivable radius. The camera was right on the van before the explosion, there was no sign of anybody exiting and in spite of fact that the area where the explosion occurred had people scurrying about, no one noticed the couple escaping. Yet miraculously she and a companion managed to survive unhurt. And unseen.

Ok, I know it’s a work of fiction, but it’s not science fiction. And I developed an aversion to stupid cliffhangers long ago.


"RE: #375"
Posted by Estee on 02-19-13 at 01:29 PM
*weary nod* That's why I went with the deliberate & funny example instead of some of the ones I've actually been through: anything you have direct experience with is usually filed under 'I will stop screaming eventually. But not just now.' I don't know whether to expect any more replies on this trope because for some, the memories are just too painful. It's not the sort of thing which creates an Anne Wilkes on its own, but gawds, it sure doesn't hurt that cause.

I wouldn't have been screaming in the theater, but there would have been some dark muttering.


"RE: #375"
Posted by kingfish on 02-19-13 at 02:10 PM
In Anne Wilkes case, and I assume you are referring to the character in “Misery”, I would have suspected from that great story that the author was a little too familiar with her mania, and a little too realistic with her description. A latter day Poe perhaps. And I believe it was set in Maine (?) where (and I suspect there's another trope associated with this) regular folks are regularly insane.

However, Stephen King is probably just a great author from Maine, not a secretly repressed and insane great author from Maine.


"RE: #375"
Posted by Estee on 02-19-13 at 03:39 PM
I'm fairly certain Misery is set in Colorado. *thinks* Annie committed some of her murders in Boulder, but did she stay in the state afterwards? *checks* ...yes: Sidewinder, CO.

Annie's rant (providing the page quote) is a case of Completely Insane Woman About To Hack Off Your Foot Has A Point. There's a line between author fairness (however contrived) and a total cheat -- and crossing it can easily be a one-way trip.

And it's the idea that she can exist in mainstream reality which makes her that much scarier. One of King's most effective creations.


"RE: #375"
Posted by kingfish on 02-19-13 at 09:02 PM
Yeah, you're right. Good memory. It had a Maine feel to it. But it was set in Co. Like The Shining.

"RE: #375"
Posted by dabo on 02-19-13 at 01:47 PM
No mention of Quantum Leap? The series finale ended with a cliff-hanger! (Plus they never made all that much of the evil leapers.)

"RE: #375"
Posted by Estee on 02-19-13 at 03:24 PM
'Never returned home' sounded more like a coda than a cliffhanger to me. And Cliffhanger Copout suggests the existence of a next season where issues can be resolved. When you're canceled and leave people hanging, that's another trope. One which I will not go looking for at this time. Feel free to peek around for it on your own.

But -- *studies* some news about Evil Leaper Central would have been welcome. Alternate timeline accessing a common past? Rival project and you really don't want to meet the people funding it? Gremlins?


"#376"
Posted by Estee on 02-20-13 at 09:07 AM
For when you're such a badass...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClintSquint

...actually seeing what you're about to kill is optional.


"RE: #376"
Posted by kingfish on 02-20-13 at 09:30 AM
That's what I see every morning in the mirror.

I'm such a badass. With toothpaste dripping down my chest.


"#377 (this week on Chopped)"
Posted by Estee on 02-21-13 at 09:20 AM
Meat.

Grains.

Vegetables.

A degree of dairy and egg.

Carefully balanced nutritional value.

And it's not too expensive...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DogFoodDiet

Bon appetit.

Note the Real Life section. (And at least two reality shows have served this to contestants. Not all were cooking series.)


"RE: #377 (this week on Chopped)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-21-13 at 12:01 PM
LAST EDITED ON 02-22-13 AT 09:25 AM (EST)

"Just about every child that has lived in a house with a dog in it has eaten a dog biscuit at some point in time. "

True that. And they taste better than saltine crackers, which are not really too hard to beat tastewise.

One of my childhood (yeah, we're going there again) chores was to feed the neighbor's dog while they were on vacation. I would cut the ends out of a can of dog food, push the cylinderized contents into the dog dish, and remove the metal endplates so the dog wouldn't cut itself. Looked just like canned hash. And yeah, I tasted it. Once. I don't recall it tasting bad, but I do recall only trying it once.




To the Shwack shack with you!


"#378"
Posted by Estee on 02-22-13 at 08:24 AM
In real life, it's a stall tactic. You are desperately trying to keep oxygen circulating until the medics show up, and then they will desperately try to do exactly the same thing while using other tactics to slip the subject back into first gear. It sometimes has to be maintained for an hour or more. It breaks ribs and can damage the sternum -- in fact, if you don't induce fractures, you're not doing it right. It can transmit disease, so there are cases where the victim takes someone with them -- portmortem. It is exhausting. And used by itself, it will hardly ever bring anyone back.

In reel life...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CPRCleanPrettyReliable

...Just Press Play.


"RE: #378"
Posted by kingfish on 02-22-13 at 09:31 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-22-13 AT 09:31 AM (EST)

Ties into a "Quick Conversation With God" (my invented term) trope where our hero has a quick face to face with a stern or curmudgeonly God (picture Don Rickles) or a dead relative before being brought back into the land of the living.


"RE: #378"
Posted by Estee on 02-22-13 at 09:37 AM
Huh. If that trope doesn't exist (Afterlife Pit Stop?), it should. But I don't know where to begin with editing it up, let alone plugging in the first few examples.

"#379 (ponies!)"
Posted by Estee on 02-23-13 at 09:44 AM
Which means this whole thread just became

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TwentyPercentMoreAwesome

As mentioned on the second MLP:FIM thread, this is any attempt to quantify and measure something which objectively can't have either one done. Every coach who demands 110% effort falls under this trope. It also covers units and formulas which can't actually work -- for example, the Helen, which is the amount of beauty required to launch a thousand ships (with negative Helens meaning the ships are moving away), or measuring evil in Kilonazis. And then you get things like 'a fate 20% worse than death'. Who reported back? Plus there's things like the util and QALY, which make economists cry because they're real units and still can't measure anything.

And I can't let this trope pass without once again inserting that great William Goldman story.

"Script author William Goldman once was told by a producer that a script had to be made "forty percent funnier", in the next month. Two weeks later Goldman was asked about the progress. He said: "I only managed to make it fifteen percent funnier, so I'll have to make it twenty-seven percent funnier in the next two weeks." The producer, after a beat: "Yeah, should work out.""

Producers are generally 48% more gullible.


"RE: #379 (ponies!)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-23-13 at 10:21 AM
This could be fun.

What would measurement would one Kingfish represent? (Nah, let's not go there).

Or a Fooner? How many Fooners could comfortably fit in a box 10 Dabos by 10 Dabos that also holds three Byoffer sized flamingos? And how would that be expressed in mega-guffaws?


"RE: #379 (ponies!)"
Posted by kidflash212 on 02-23-13 at 10:25 AM
My Little Ponies would be 110% cooler with a Flash pony:


"RE: #379 (ponies!)"
Posted by Estee on 02-23-13 at 10:49 AM
The Ego That Naps In The Day has enough to boast about already, thankee. Do I want to know where you found that? If I went looking, would I see an entire Justice League Of Equestria? Besides, Ponyville already has a costumed menace to call its own.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/830px-Mysterious_Mare_Do_Well-1_9628.png

*pauses*

I'm going to regret this.

*searches*

...yes, Justice League and Avengers. And someone made the action figures.


"#380"
Posted by Estee on 02-24-13 at 10:05 AM
As Starshine recently noted, learning the controls of a video game can be a challenge. Even for those who are used to sixteen-button, five-stick, one-neutral-interface systems, new games can throw them. Therefore, most games will start off a little bit slow with a semi-relaxed level. No major threats yet, no crucial challenges -- just a very active walkthrough that could still kill you a few times.

And for some reason, most of them look the same.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreenHillZone

Think back on your own gaming experience and start adding them up. The numbers climb quickly.


"#381 (inevitably, last night)"
Posted by Estee on 02-25-13 at 08:59 AM
It was the best of the year.

It launched a dozen careers.

It influenced so much that came after it.

It helped to define a generation.

Everyone said so.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AwardSnub

Twenty years after the other thing won, they said so.


"RE: #381 (inevitably, last night)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-25-13 at 10:02 AM
We should have an award ceremony. The "RTVW Snarkies"?

Subcategories might include the Snarkie for "Best Sig", the Snarkie for best one word snark? The Snarkie for cutest kitten U-tube reference, the Snarkie for "made you cry" snark, and of course the Snarkie for "Obliviously Missed the Mark". Including a Snark delivered from the most remote (geographical) location would ensure the international inclusiveness of the competition, and encourage travel to remote mountain tops. We should, by rights, even allow Canadians to win something, maybe the “Hey Hoser“ Snarkie.

Although this would certainly mean that I would become the perennial "Award Snub" in the best "Snarky Narrative - Fiction or Non-Fiction" category, losing to Estee et.al., I am willing to suffer that as long as it promotes humanity and feeds the children in Africa. Someday I’ll get a the pity “Lifetime Snarkie Achievement Award” for trying, I guess, and well, that’s something.

Not wishing to add to anybody's work load, so I won't. But I do have a particular teal favoring poster in mind as prime candidate for host.




To the Shwack shack with you!


"RE: #381 (inevitably, last night)"
Posted by Snidget on 02-25-13 at 10:03 AM
And the Snarkie for if you bring it up, you get to host it is...

Kingfish.


"RE: #381 (inevitably, last night)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-25-13 at 10:45 AM
LAST EDITED ON 02-25-13 AT 10:59 AM (EST)

That would be better than waiting for a posthumous award.

But I would take an "Executive Producer" Credit.


"#382"
Posted by Estee on 02-26-13 at 07:12 AM
All together now, Jackie Chan watchers:

"I'msorryI'llbringitbacklaterthankyoouuuuu!"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroStoleMyBike

Wherever there is a felon fleeing the scene using a needs of transportation the protagonist can't keep up with, this trope can come into play. See that bike at the side of the road? Skateboard? Car? Spaceship? Whatever it is, if it runs and you can operate it, you have a Hero License To Steal as long as it is absolutely necessary to catch the bad guy. Which leads to a chase scene. And almost inevitably, Hero Totaled My Bike. This was Jackie's signature move: he did this enough to completely destroy two-wheel traffic in San Francisco.

Imagine trying to explain this to your insurance company.


"RE: #382"
Posted by kingfish on 02-26-13 at 09:24 AM
One result of having the second amendment in the South is that you don't have too many carjackings.

However we did have a spaceship jacking three years ago.


"RE: #382"
Posted by Estee on 02-26-13 at 09:42 AM
Picking up or dropping off?

"#383 (legal)"
Posted by Estee on 02-27-13 at 06:56 AM
Prosecutor: Chicolini, you are charged with high treason, and if found guilty, you will be shot.
Chicolini: I object.
Prosecutor: You object? On what grounds?
Chicolini: I couldn't think of anything else to say.
Groucho: Objection sustained.
Prosecutor: Your honor, you sustain the objection? On what grounds?
Groucho: Well, I couldn't think of anything else to say either.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatWasObjectionable

Approach the Real Life examples with fear.

Pounding the table...


"RE: #383 (legal)"
Posted by kingfish on 02-27-13 at 09:45 AM
Defense attorney:"I OBJECT!"

Judge: "What is your objection?"

Defense attorney:"I strenuously OBJECT!"

Judge: "OK, so what is your objection? What do you object to?"

Defense attorney:"I really really very heartily from the bottom of my heart and at the top of my lungs OBJECT!"

Judge: "Well, OK, since you’re obviously very passionate, Sustained."


"#384"
Posted by Estee on 02-28-13 at 08:13 AM
That {contestant name} over on {reality show title} is the biggest {expression indicating extraordinarily low IQ and social skills} I've seen since {presidential election}.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MadLibsDialogue

{She/he (delete whichever is inappropriate)} should go {intercourse} a {idol hiding place}.


"RE: #384"
Posted by kingfish on 02-28-13 at 02:57 PM
This is a service provided for us in this forum.

You ##### guy, you should ##### yourself in the ##### and eat ##### for ##### calling me that.

Free of charge.


"#385"
Posted by Estee on 03-01-13 at 07:54 AM
Newborn babies are -- weird. And when I say "newborn", I mean "the last echoes of the final labor agony scream haven't even thought about beginning to die away". A human infant seconds out of the womb is about two chromosomes away from another species. The color is off. The skull is trying to decide what kind of shape it's supposed to be and the current attempt could be described as 'lizard'. There are wrinkles in places where centenarians don't have wrinkles. They are covered in -- substances. Sure, let's say substances: it's a lot more kind than the stuff they're actually covered in. Ever hear of lanugo? You will. How about cauls? Cauls are really fun. Did your parents save yours?

Now imagine how all this looks on camera when your standard reality-fuzzing director wants The Miracle Of Birth Without Any Of That Nasty Truth, and you start to understand why 99%+ of all visual fiction winds up going with a

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThreeMonthOldNewborn?from=Main.DawsonBabies

For bonus points, imagine what happens when someone raised on that fiction for their entire life gets that first glimpse of the real thing.


"RE: #385"
Posted by cahaya on 03-01-13 at 08:54 AM
There's no way around it.

All of us have a mother who screamed us into this world as we took our first breath of air.

Newborn babies probably wish they'd been left alone in the relative calm of the womb than to be exposed to the cacophony of this world.

Being newborn is getting that first glimpse of the real thing.


"RE: #385"
Posted by kingfish on 03-01-13 at 09:11 AM
So glad I'm a guy! So glad I'm a guy! So glad I'm a guy! So glad I'm a guy! So glad I'm a guy! So glad I'm a guy!

It's a raw, meaty, and bloody world we're born into.


"#386"
Posted by Estee on 03-02-13 at 09:10 AM
The single surest sign of evil I know.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ElderlyBlueHairedLady

Kill on sight.


"RE: #386"
Posted by kingfish on 03-02-13 at 12:40 PM
Are you referring to this:

or this:

?


"#387"
Posted by Estee on 03-03-13 at 08:12 AM
Sex sells.

Sex pays the rent.

And gawds, does sex ever distract the jury from thinking about the actual evidence.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloAttorney

Because when pounding the table doesn't work, pose on it.


"RE: #387"
Posted by kingfish on 03-03-13 at 12:41 PM
Hot Attorney, Hot nurse, Hot librarian...it's all good.

"#388 (sing it, tri-staters!)"
Posted by Estee on 03-04-13 at 09:01 AM
There's nothing in the world like --
-- Traction Park!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmusementParkOfDoom

Admittedly, living in the rough vicinity of a facility where all the rides actually were trying to kill you may have slightly desensitized me to the use of this trope in fiction.

And then you run into this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster

Always nice to see someone stepping it up a notch.


"RE: #388 (sing it, tri-staters!)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-04-13 at 10:44 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-04-13 AT 01:46 PM (EST)

An Euthanasia Coaster! Wow.

An elegant entrance to a cannibal abattoir.


"#389"
Posted by Estee on 03-05-13 at 09:33 AM
Fire And Forget: a frequently helpful motto when dealing with weapons. You pull the trigger and never worry about it again.

When you apply those same words to magic...

With this trope, you can learn spells. You're capable of casting them. And some of those spells are pretty powerful. But every time you invoke the magic, you forget how to do it. Recovering the spell can be relatively easy (get a good night's sleep, read your spellbooks for an hour to refresh your memory) or so close to insanity as to make you wonder why anyone would ever bother with magic in the first place (it took you two years of research to create that flower and it's going to take two more years for the next one). But no matter what, you are eventually going to run out. And given the typical life of those who use magic, it will be in the middle of combat. Got any backup skills? Let's hope so.

Here's another fun part: with this kind of system, your mind can only hold a certain number of spells. And because you have to memorize them, you are guessing which ones you'll need in advance. Heading underwater? Good time to relearn that water breathing trick. Something with wings scoops you out of the lake, lifts you a couple of thousand feet, and then lets go? Well, the water breathing was taking up the mental space you'd normally use for the flying incantation. Pity, that. Splat.

One thing has killed more mana wielders than any other factor in fiction, and it is called

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VancianMagic

The fact that he's made it to ninety-six without being hit by a fireball just might disprove dimensional travel all by itself.


"RE: #389"
Posted by kingfish on 03-05-13 at 10:56 AM
I always wondered why someone fighting a magician didn't just invoke "reality" and kill the spells with the incantation "There is no such thing as Magic". All the flying monkeys would just disappear, everybody and everything would assume their natural being, anyone being levitated would take a header, and all lightning bolts coming from the wizard's wand would fizzle out. The comic protagonist would wonder "Why didn't we think of this sooner?", and thus define another ‘movie quote for the ages’.

“It’s a man, with no powers at all, except the power of…Reality! It’s “Reality Man” (Dum dum dum dum, da da, da da dummmmmm!

That would be kinda fun. It would also make the outfits that sorcerers wear because no one would dare make fun of them in their power mode, seem rather silly.

“Look at the Geezer in the pointy hat waving that stick at everyone. And those shoes! Man, buckles went out at the turn of the 18th century.”


"RE: #389"
Posted by Estee on 03-05-13 at 11:18 AM
You've been beaten to it in at least a couple of settings. From memory...

In one world, people who can't work magic are known as Sleepers, and they make up the vast majority of the population. As in "99.9999 percent and you could maybe throw some extra nines on." For that place, reality is based on a sort of consensus belief, and there are a few who believe magic is real and they can do it. In practice, it's more complicated -- but that's the core: believe and do. However, Sleepers don't believe in magic -- which is what makes magic hard to work in the first place: the consensus reality resists being changed. In particular, if you work spells with visible effects around them, you are begging for the magic to fail and backlash spectacularly on you: a single Sleeper can serve as a channel for several billion who collectively decided what you're doing is impossible. And then you get punished for it. (The will of the many is strong. And stupid.) They generally can't shut down magic just by being near it, but they can make it very difficult to accomplish and much more likely to take you out if you can't make it work anyway.

(By the way, in that world, highly-advanced science has the same problem as magic: if the population isn't ready to accept it and you can't make them believe it'll work, it doesn't. The prototype works fine in the lab, but take it out in the field...)

In another, we have Mundanes. Mundanes are really narrow-minded. They've shoehorned reality into a tiny box which consists of Everything I Personally Understand, and they will not let anything new into that box. Ever. And the more closed-off a Mundane is, the more they inflict their tiny version of reality on everything around them. It's temporary -- the field moves with the Mundane and leaves when they do -- but they wreak havoc on anything supernatural. Spells stop working. Psionics shut down. Vampires find themselves turned into normal humans wearing dollar store novelty teeth. Werewolves become guys in furry costumes with visible zippers. Aliens get rubber suits. The Mundane will not allow anything he doesn't understand to exist -- and so remakes it into something he can barely file under 'silly, pointless, goodbye'. No word on how they generally vote.

Sleepers are protected: after all, there's a tiny chance some of them might come to their senses and join the ranks of the spellcasters. Mundanes are loathed -- unless something supernatural is chasing you and your only chance is to make it run through the field.

Either way, they make for pretty boring protagonists.


"RE: #389"
Posted by kingfish on 03-05-13 at 01:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-05-13 AT 04:00 PM (EST)


"The Wizard of Oz" could be thought of as a clash between reality (Kansas, or mundane reality) and magic (Oz, or magical dreamland).

As could Narnia, Peter Pan, and probably a host of others. Maybe even Catholicism and reality. The fact that mainstream Catholicism still requires a belief in magic astounds me.


"#390"
Posted by Estee on 03-06-13 at 07:25 AM
There comes a time in the life of many heterosexual singles when you start to realize the other gender svcks. You are sick of the egos. The posturing. The dedication to idiocy as a contact sport. There are hundreds of things you're sick of and every last one just tried to pick you up at the bar with a half-snarl and a whiff of stale sweat. What about empathy? The life of the mind? Isn't there anyone out there who --

-- well, sure, there's -- that. But there's sort of a barrier in the way. Just for starters.

...okay, so there's a few issues involved. No kids unless you adopt -- wait, there's artificial insemination: solved! And sure, your parents will freak -- assuming you tell them. Plus there's talking the other party into it. But this one is looking to hide, right? So hide with you. Until death do you part.

Of course, you'd never have sex again. Ever.

...and now this next drunkard skipped the preliminaries and tried to go directly for second base.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SettledForGay

Come to think of it, you've got fingers.


"RE: #390"
Posted by kingfish on 03-07-13 at 09:28 AM
This sounds personal, if so...Get out of Joisey if the choices there are either going gay or becoming a Joisey housewife. Or go gay, because becoming a Joisey housewife has nothing to recommend it.

(And yes, I am stereotyping, so what of it?)


"#391"
Posted by Estee on 03-07-13 at 09:43 AM
The lesson no one in this situation ever seems to learn: when you have a stranger in your house and you're using your bathroom, lock the @#$% door.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShowerOfAwkward

This includes visiting quadrupeds.


"RE: #391"
Posted by kingfish on 03-07-13 at 10:11 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-07-13 AT 10:11 AM (EST)

Fish shower (well, we prefer bathing) pretty much all the time. No big deal.

And what is it with the interest dogs seem to exhibit when watching humans go at it? That frenetic tail wagging, that drooling. That pawing of the bed (or shower door). Is he thinking that you are about to throw that stick for him to retrieve? Or maybe he is mistaking it for a chew toy?


Not that this has ever happened to me, but imagine a 120lb. Great Dane jumping into bed while sex is afoot. Even having a little yapper jump in with you would be weird. Although, reflecting on it, I would bet that there are fetish sites that involve doing it in front of pets.

Conversely, why are cats so not-interested? They just spend their time licking themselves (Oh, I get it. Duh.).


"#392 (last night on American Idol)"
Posted by Estee on 03-08-13 at 09:28 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CastFullOfGay

...I swear, when they pretended to drop their open homophobia, I never thought they'd go that far the other way.


"RE: #392 (last night on American Idol)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-08-13 at 10:37 AM
Tangenting: (Because I don’t do gay humor well, this personal growth I owe to this forum, BTW) l wonder how people in gay circles view Eric Stonestreet's performance in Modern Family.

To me, his persona as a gay man is a little over the top, but still pretty convincing and very entertaining (IRL he is a married straight man). But maybe that's because my experience with gay people is only at about at the published national average, about 10% of the people I interact with are gay (as far as I know).

So, this to those who are more immersed in gay society, is his idea of a gay person believable, or is it just too over the top?


"#393"
Posted by Estee on 03-09-13 at 07:56 AM
Your enemy is a telepath. That's bad enough. Even if you personally have defenses against it, there's no guarantee that those around you share them. In fact, know enough people and someone is going to be vulnerable. Tell them a secret and have it ripped out of their mind. Is your new friend really someone who likes you, or a puppet whose strings are dangling that much closer? Is it possible to trust anyone when any thought can be created from the outside or just stolen away?

But at least it's a psionic power. If nothing else, it can't actually kill...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PsychicAssistedSuicide

...your enemy is a telepath. And anyone you ever considered a friend is a corpse.


"RE: #393"
Posted by kingfish on 03-09-13 at 11:44 AM
All things being equal, if given the option I'd go for telekinetic powers. Being able to occasionally control which six balls rise from the hopper, or having the well timed costume malfunction sounds way better than having everybody die.

Being a headliner in Vegas with a killer magic act would be fun too.


"#394"
Posted by Estee on 03-10-13 at 11:27 AM

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Retirony


"#395 (video games)"
Posted by Estee on 03-11-13 at 07:10 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotBar

Well, that was a lot more boring than the title looked.


"RE: #395 (video games)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-11-13 at 10:41 AM
I guess it's a sign of the times that there are as many gaming related tropes as there are.

If computers ever take over the world, it'll probably be thru gaming portals.

First: Game Nets.
Second: Defense Net.
Third: Mind Control (Psionic Net). (Crap, this comes a couple of tropes too late).


"#396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Estee on 03-12-13 at 10:06 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReadTheFreakingManual

and we all know it.


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-12-13 at 10:21 AM
This one hits home.

I recently bought a watch. Not ungodly expensive, meant to be semi-disposable (if I have to ever change the battery, I'll probably toss it). I bought it for fishing. It's salt waterproof and has a lot of other features, including a non-metallic band, a compass, a timer, an alarm, altimeter, barometer, temperature gage. And a high tide/low tide indicator, which if it works could be pretty handy.

And I haven't figured out yet how to set the time on it.

So maybe I'll have to read the instructions after all.

Tonite I'll try again.


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Estee on 03-12-13 at 11:02 AM
*narrows eyes* Try to read the instructions, or try to set it without them?

"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-12-13 at 01:25 PM
The first ten or twenty time, without.

Of course.


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Snidget on 03-12-13 at 10:29 AM
If the person that wrote it couldn't be bothered to read it, why should I?

Damn stream of consciousness transliteration of Swahili as translated by Google into Japanese and back piece of...


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Estee on 03-12-13 at 11:01 AM
...you're not talking about lab equipment, are you? Fully necessary, safety measures must be manually activated, the-virus-will-kill-us-all lab equipment supplied by the Crichton Company?

When you absolutely need human error to destroy the world overnight.


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Snidget on 03-12-13 at 11:18 AM
maybe

*applies Percussive Maintenance*


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Estee on 03-12-13 at 11:24 AM
*applies for sanctuary*

*upwind sanctuary*


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-12-13 at 01:39 PM
Beep beep bedeep beep...

Late Breaking news. It seems that there has been a complete and mysterious loss of communication with anyone in central North Carolina. Nobody is answering their phone. Our local on the spot reporter is turning purple, and goo is coming out of her ears. First estimates are that casualties appear to be at the 100% level, and the radius of the area affected is growing at an exponential rate.

Meantime, all of our reporters assigned to visit the area are resigning en mass from the job, so we may be delayed from getting you the on the spot rep...whoa, speaking of spots, what's t...



To the Shwack shack with you!


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Snidget on 03-12-13 at 01:59 PM
Communications are just fine, TYVM, well other than the work email server seems to be down for some mysterious reason.

oops


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by kingfish on 03-12-13 at 03:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-12-13 AT 04:22 PM (EST)

Let me guess...Spots?


"RE: #396 (you didn't)"
Posted by Snidget on 03-12-13 at 07:52 PM
They.Are.Called.Freckles.

"#397"
Posted by Estee on 03-13-13 at 08:34 AM
Older animation (and some repressive throwbacks in the current era) typically has issues with the concept of marriage -- and everything that comes with it. They don't want their characters in a permanent long-term relationship. (And it would be permanent. Quick, name any five animated characters who've been divorced.) They certainly don't want to imply the existence of sex. But they do want to have younger characters on the screen whom the kids in the audience can identify with -- and most of the pen-and-ink stars in those early days were presumed adults.

So what do you do? Let someone else get married -- offscreen, with those characters forever unseen -- and then send their offspring to live with the main characters. Nephews are popular for this. Nieces, too. If you need the character to have some alone time, the kids are temporarily back with their invisible parents. Comedy torture time? The rugrats are dropped off again and may be picked up in three or four -- years. All the pain of having children in your life and none of the legal resorts to make it stop.

And as for that poor main character's prospects of marriage, sex, and kids of their own?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChasteToons

Dream on, sucker. As long as your dreams are rated G.


"RE: #397"
Posted by kingfish on 03-13-13 at 10:11 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-13 AT 10:12 AM (EST)

And then, because a closed door is really just an open invitation, there came Robert Crumb and Zap Comix.


"RE: #397"
Posted by Estee on 03-13-13 at 11:18 AM
Even earlier than that, if you look at that last Felix example. Plus there were Tijuana Bibles for a long time, and you? Can look that up on your own and I'm not responsible for the results because that's nearly as non-PG13 as it gets. The underground movement just took it into the daylight -- eventually.

But that's for comics. For film animation, you're looking at Crumb -- teamed up with Ralph Bakshi, who kept it going.


"RE: #397"
Posted by Molaholic on 03-15-13 at 11:59 AM
OK, I didn't check out the link, but what about (and from the early 60s yet) Fred & Wilma not only had Pebbles -- but there were scenes with Wilma PREGNANT -- yep, full blown babybump and all.

(although their wacky neighbors, the Rubbles, got little BamBam through the magic of foundlingism...)


"RE: #397"
Posted by Estee on 03-15-13 at 12:21 PM
One difference: even with the infantile plots and total lack of character development -- actually, those may have been requirements -- Flintstones was primetime programming, wasn't it? If it was intended for adults, you can go farther -- some of the time.

"#398"
Posted by Estee on 03-14-13 at 10:26 AM
In a way, it's the ultimate prison.

People escape from prisons.

Or maybe -- maybe you're such a horror, they make you a trustee. That's right: hand over a few keys and let you boss some of the others around. And once you've gotten that far? You are that much closer to just outright taking over the place. How hard could that be? And if they figure out what you're doing? What are they going to do, kick you out? Oh, wait -- they just might. Which negates the entire problem of having to escape in the first place.

No matter what, given enough time, you're going to be

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LikeABadassOutOfHell

and then the people who put you there are going to get burned.


"RE: #398"
Posted by Snidget on 03-14-13 at 12:02 PM
Reminds me of one of my Dad's jokes.

Two little old nuns die and are at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter explains that they are several months behind on the new construction so if they wouldn't mind there is a condo in one of the nicer parts of Hell that they could stay in just until the final touches are put on their permanent afterlife residence. They say what is a couple of months when you have all Eternity and Satan agrees to take them because after all, what trouble could two little old nuns cause?

A month later St. Peter gets a panicked emergency phone call from Satan, "You gotta take those two nuns, and you gotta take them NOW!!!

St. Peter asks what could possibly be the problem and Satan replies, "Between their Bingo Nights and Bake Sales those two nuns are $300 away from air conditioning this whole place!"


"#399"
Posted by Estee on 03-15-13 at 06:46 AM
Ah, first-person shooter video games: masters of the Excuse Plot -- especially when that Excuse lets the Plot give you license to kill anything that moves. Yes, the entire planet -- except you -- has been infected by a zombie-creating virus. Every adult and senior citizen is out to eat your brain. Kill 'em all.

...wait a minute. Where are all the kids?

Well, maybe they're eating a kindergarten. Next game. Aliens have spread nanites through the populace and turned them into hybrids out to destroy everyone. Kill 'em all.

...okay, the nanites were in the sugar. Shouldn't there be weaponized second graders in this mess?

Well -- no. Because in this kind of game, you can kill anything sentient and a lot of things which aren't, species of all shapes and origins, numerous inanimate objects, and the occasional crate (okay, the more than occasional crate) -- but no matter what the Excuse says must have happened to them, you are not allowed to target a child. And the best way to ensure that is to

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourChildren

and guarantee you never see one.

It makes somewhat less sense than the zombies.


"RE: #399"
Posted by kingfish on 03-15-13 at 10:34 AM
I bet there's a "Chuckie" game out there somewhere.

"#400 (does not exist in real life)"
Posted by Estee on 03-16-13 at 08:22 AM
Tommy (Rescue Me): "...let me tell you somethin': the next time I run into a burning building and refuse to bring out anybody who's not the same color as me, then that's when you can bring my angry, pink, sober, Irish, ass back down here. Got it?"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NobleBigotWithABadge

Take off the first word and you're in the actual territory. I came so close to hitting the stupid button again...

*sigh* Maybe we'll do better tomorrow with the start of the new thread.


"RE: Trope Of The Day IV: the long, dark winter of our trope content."
Posted by kingfish on 03-16-13 at 10:04 AM
A white bigot, an black bigot, a female bigot, and a religious bigot all go into a burning building.

The end.


"RE: Trope Of The Day IV: the long, dark winter of our trope content."
Posted by cahaya on 03-16-13 at 06:06 PM
It all comes down to a lifetime of experience and knowledge, where one can choose to be and to act ignorant or aware.

The beginning.