Oddly enough, today is my five year anniversary of living here. We like it a lot. After a rough patch in the beginning, we have acclimated nicely. I still get homesick from time to time, but we have gotten to do some AMAZING things here that we wouldn't have been able to do in NY. We'll go back eventually because all of the parents are there, but it will never be full time. We'll spend winters in NC and summers in NY.

And now it's time for the convention game I've been looking forward to for months: Things The President Can Say Which FOX News Will Believe.

I'm leading off with "I was born in Kenya."

Naah, his school registration in Indonesia lists his birthplace as Honolulu.

So, even though a younger Obama did claim to be born in Kenya (as shown below), Fox wouldn't believe it if he claimed it now.

Obama's publishing autobiography, from 1991-2007:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/obama-kenya.bmp

Or hey, how about how long it takes MSDemBC to get a tingle? Or ask Obama to marry them? Or at least gives Obamas first 4 years a standing "O"...?

>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice

Shouldn't you change your sigpic to something a little less socialist?

- I take that to mean your not interested in my game.

>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice

You just reminded me at an odd moment. James Bond = British = Socialism = Why Are You Using This? I worked the math and got a null.

As for MSNBC, I only watch Rachel Maddow, and her very rarely. So I'm not in a media place where I could play along. I generally turn to CNN in order to get at least a pretense of neutrality.

However, if FOX is allowed to go one way and ignore all complaints and glaring spotlights on their deliberate errors, the existence of a network that heads in the opposite political direction should not be a surprise. Isn't that fair -- and balancing?

I - when I can stomach it - try to watch some of both. I can guarantee that FOX is less bias than MS. Yet only FOX gets the rap 'round here so I try to bring the fair and balanced thing here as a reminder.

Truth be told - I really struggle finding quality reported information, anywhere. I suppose I listen to and read about 20% of any given source, and still where a tin foil hat. In as much as I would like to hear from "the other side", they are as dramatic and wrong and committed to their religion as anyone else. As for "my side", I kind of have a very few sources that I can tolerate for a bit of time.

However, here in LA there is a new radio program on when I drive in to work that I have enjoyed some. There are 3 people, one woman and two guys, one is a Dem, one a Pub, and I think the woman is a Pub too - but it seems they have good, respectful debate with each other, and the "sides" don't seem to be screeching talking points too often... so we'll see...

>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice

And what is the name of this soon-to-be-cancelled program?

Given Fox news doesn't even believe anything out of Paul Ryan's mouth...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Obama has been President since 2000 and is responsible for everything that happened over that timespan. Which incidentally means he violated the Constitution again as he's currently going for an illegal fourth term. This is basic stuff, people. Try to keep up.

I have no idea who the writer of that article is, but I presume she's fired.

Where do you get that? He hasn't even been President since 2008.

>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice

Running joke for every time someone gives him the blame for an event that took place prior to the inauguration. Which has happened so many times that the poor abused joke has been to the moon and halfway back, which is admittedly more than NASA was allowed to do under this administration. To say it happens a lot would be to avoid listening to the radio for an hour and missing having it happen eighty more times.

Just another secret power of the Muslim Brotherhood, I guess.

. . . then we run into the things that Obama and his media lapdogs incorrectly claim happened before he took office.

Example: Ryan's Janesville story.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

Actually, the plant closed before he even took office.

The plant

In 1918, General Motors bought a farm implement manufacturing plant in Janesville, a city of 60,000 near the Illinois border. Production of Chevrolets began there in 1923. Employment peaked at 7,100 in 1978, but a series of five layoffs occurred over the next 30 years.

By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated. . . .

Ryan said Obama broke his promise to keep a Wisconsin GM plant from closing. But we don't see evidence he explicitly made such a promise -- and more importantly, the Janesville plant shut down before he took office.

We rate Ryan's statement False.

Eh, not quite. Eventually, even CNN got it right, although the so-called "fact checkers" at PolitiFact never did.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama/2

The only thing Ryan appears to have gotten technically wrong in Wednesday's version was saying that the plant didn't last another year. It did last another year -- more like 14 months -- if the Isuzu line and its 57 workers count.

So, though Ryan might have been incorrect in the August 16 telling, he cleaned it up for Wednesday's convention. Obama said what Ryan said he said.

Even then, CNN's lapdogs rate Ryan's claim "True but incomplete". Why incomplete? Because Obama "wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech."

Here's what Ryan said that Obama said:

"When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day."

Here's what Obama said at his speech, made on February 13, 2008:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

Incomplete? Nope, just 95% accurate. But saying that won't get the lapdogs scratched behind the ears by Obama. So it MUST be a DIRTY LIE!

*nods*

Fair enough and I duly give Ryan 95% (or so) that one.

I do wonder what would have been said if (still more) government money had been spent keeping it open, though.

LAST EDITED ON 09-01-12 AT 08:14 AM (EST)

Another titbit of info your missing: Isuzu announced Jan 30, 2008 that it was ending all production and pulling out of the US market on Dec 30, 2008. GM was suppose to finish it's contract with Isuzu at that plant by then and thus close it all together. It didn't which is why you have 57 workers there for 4 months.

So if you want to hang your hat on 57 workers vs. the 1200 that did lose their jobs in Dec 2008 then I'll give it a 5% correct but it's a weak technically. But there is always a skeleton crew left to final close up of a plant that can last for a year or two. Ford's Wixom plant had workers in there for 1.5 years after it stopped production.

Second: The plant has been on the closure list since 2006 and GM and the UAW agreed that there was not enough sales to support two plants the other being in TX. Most of the workers in WI were offered jobs in TX for a third shirt once the plant closed or other jobs within GM. WI lost but the jobs went else wear.

Last: The plant is on the idol plant list as bargained with the UAW. So thus why the plant is still in GM's hands. It was a finalist plant for GM new small car but that went to Lake Orion Michigan plant.

So 95% lie, 5% truth. You say Tomato I say Tomoto...

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LAST EDITED ON 09-01-12 AT 06:57 PM (EST)

Second: The plant has been on the closure list since 2006 and GM and the UAW agreed that there was not enough sales to support two plants the other being in TX. Most of the workers in WI were offered jobs in TX for a third <sic> shirt once the plant closed or other jobs within GM. WI lost but the jobs went <sic> else wear.

Dumb argument by Obama lovers, because, as you note, the plant had been on the list of possible closures since 2006. Obama's claim that government support would keep it running for another 100 years would eliminate his excuse that the plant was closed under Bush after his speech -- since he made his speech knowing the plant's status.

But cults of personality, like Obama's, depend on his followers to ignore logic.

Possible closure and announced closure is two different things but sometime logic for lawyer is no logical.

Stupid typo's on my part. shift, etc.

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I'm just glad it'll be over by 9/10, since that's when I'll be passing through the Charlotte airport.

And I? Do not care to listen to the Democrats speechifying, just as I did not care to listen to the Republicans speechifying.