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"Republican National Convention: Tampa."

Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 09:13 AM
There's a Bill Veeck line which I'd like to paraphrase here, but I'm going to wait until I clear front page spoiler space as I don't exactly have intentions towards being polite.

And there we go.

'Holy @#$%, all the bigots, repressives, haters, Religious Reich members, and social regressors with power are gathered in one place for the next few days. The citizenry is screwed for the next four years.'

I know, I know -- I'm being silly. No one in the current party configuration ever counted me among the citizenry in the first place... at least, no one who'll be allowed to speak...

Sorry kids, but to me, this is Hatefest '12: The Economy Will Fix Itself When We Finish Pleasing God By Oppressing The Sinners. Judge lest ye be thrown out for not judging. I'm expecting anti-gay speeches, anti-equality, anti-immigration, anti-any-religion-that-isn't-Christianity-and-even-then-only-the-really-strict-parts, anti-female, anti-rights, and quite possibly anti-aliens because if they land and can't prove they brought their own crosses, goodbye. There will be ideas thrown out about the future, sure. Some of them may even be based on trade policy, getting jobs back to the States, fair wages for the lower and middle classes, taxes that work for all, and keeping the last gasp of the American Dream alive. If so, they will be lost in the giant rallying scream of 'We have offended the Almighty with all this so-called acceptance and we're going to fix that right now by fixing everyone else real good!' ('Really well' would be intellectual elitism.)

I will not watch one minute. I will read the transcripts the next day. I will even read the official ones posted on the GOP's own site. But when everything in the world is currently my fault, I prefer not to be blamed in real time.

One nation, under the thumb.

And yes, you will be wasting your time debating with me on this. So let's not. Shall the coverage begin?

Again: baseball metaphors=death.


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"So?"
Posted by foonermints on 08-27-12 at 02:35 PM
What happened?

"Dunno."
Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 02:47 PM
Haven't seen a transcript yet.

I did hear a rumor that Rick Santorum was going to be the nominee, but don't spread it around.


"Cancellation?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-27-12 at 03:17 PM
Rumor is... they're talking about canceling it (Boston Globe).

There is a distinct possibility that the 2012 Republican National Convention will be cancelled.

But the series of conversations - occurring just hours later - made clear that the Romney staff also realizes that Isaac’s potentially horrid wrath could eclipse any bunting-draped imagery they generate inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

That would render the whole convention exercise a net loss for their candidate, rather than a positive force propelling him into the fall campaign.

Consider for a moment the juxtaposition of President Obama marshaling his administration’s forces and personally visiting New Orleans or Mobile, Ala., in the aftermath of the storm’s landfall, all while the convention hall is filled with delegates dressed in funny hats listening to partisan speeches.

Never mind, it's a non-event anyway.


"RE: Cancellation?"
Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 03:24 PM
It's a rare politician in any party or nation who would give up the televised opportunity to push their positions in a partisan stump speech. While there's a chance of the whole thing being shut down, I think it'll take a very distant second place to the size of the propaganda mission -- excepting one thing: New Orleans. If the storm heads there, then the GOP is going to have a serious image problem on their hands as everyone simultaneously flashes back to last time. Party while New Orleans floods? Gee, there's a trend everyone was waiting to repeat. A serious threat to the city could take the whole thing out, or at least stall it by a week.

Or they could get really bold and relocate to the Superdome.


"Nevada."
Posted by foonermints on 08-27-12 at 03:46 PM
Nevada works for me. The Democrats too.
There's an old test site out there. Two birds and all of that.
No offense, Dabo.

"RE: Nevada."
Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 03:53 PM
Realistically, both parties have reason to fear working within sight of Sin City and in shouting range of legalized prostitution. (Someone would get caught. Someone always gets caught. The legality does not matter to the voters.) Nevada will get a major political convention right after it gets a professional sports team in the Big Four: currently scheduled for the twelfth of Never.

"RE: Nevada."
Posted by foonermints on 08-27-12 at 04:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-27-12 AT 04:39 PM (EST)

So True.
They couldn't even manage Janie's Ranch The Mustang. Now that is inept.
etf: foonermint: not getting his Orehouses right.


"RE: Nevada."
Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 04:38 PM
Do not tease Kingfish by suggesting Janelle might have a ranch.

"RE: Nevada."
Posted by foonermints on 08-27-12 at 04:41 PM
Kingfish? West of the Rockies?
I thought I left him with that Camel.

"RE: Nevada."
Posted by cahaya on 08-27-12 at 05:01 PM
Did you say Mustang?


Ragtop Ride by foonermints

Nup, they couldn't manage the horsepower.

And git your Orehorses right.


"RE: Nevada."
Posted by foonermints on 08-27-12 at 05:18 PM
I'm renting this one next month.


Are we done butchering Estee's thread yet?


"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by AyaK on 08-27-12 at 09:05 PM
>Sorry kids, but to me, this is Hatefest '12: The
>Economy Will Fix Itself When We Finish Pleasing God By
>Oppressing The Sinners. Judge lest ye be thrown out for not judging.

I thought the Hatefest was coming up in Charlotte, where all the people who hate America, led by Barry Soetoro, join up with all the people who either have been looting or want to loot America and gloat over all the damage they've been able to do in just four years.

"These are not my people!" -- Stanley Ann Durham (mother of Barry Soetoro) referring to Americans (according to her son's partially-fictionalized "autobiography")


"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by Estee on 08-27-12 at 09:28 PM
No, that's the one where they hate America by encouraging sin. Geez, man, try to keep up.

"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by bondt007 on 08-27-12 at 11:42 PM
...and I thought Hatefest '12 was this post.


>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice


"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by AyaK on 08-27-12 at 11:44 PM
There's more than enough hate floating around to fill both the conventions this year, with some left over that's going to be auctioned on eBay.

"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by cahaya on 08-28-12 at 00:06 AM
Not to mention shot out of the barrel of a .38 or .357.

"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by Estee on 08-28-12 at 06:51 AM
Happily, my faith does not require that I pretend to love those who despise me.

Makes things a lot more honest.


"RE: Republican National Convention: Tampa."
Posted by foonermints on 08-28-12 at 02:34 PM
How Un-Rodney of you.
Must have been a reason for that PCP?

"Romney wins!"
Posted by cahaya on 08-28-12 at 06:42 PM
And Ann talks about real marriage!

“A storybook marriage?” she planned to add. “No, not at all. What Mitt Romney and I have is a real marriage.”

(Puzzled look.) Planned to add? Who redacted this line?


"RE: Romney wins!"
Posted by dabo on 08-28-12 at 07:41 PM
Oh, there was probably some long discussion about whether she should say "real marriage" or "legitimate marriage" or "authentic marriage" -- or perhaps just not go there at all. You know how the liberal media like to pick apart every little word.

"RE: Romney wins!"
Posted by cahaya on 08-28-12 at 08:17 PM
How about "happy marriage" or "gay marriage" (in the Yabba-dabba-do sense of the word)?

"RE: Romney wins!"
Posted by foonermints on 08-28-12 at 08:52 PM
You're Evil!
I have a "real" marriage, and I'm not even married.
Love that cat.

"Predictably"
Posted by cahaya on 08-28-12 at 09:12 PM
The Pub platform passes.

Republicans emphatically approved a toughly worded party platform at their national convention Tuesday that would ban all abortions and gay marriages, reshape Medicare into a voucher-like program and cut taxes to energize the economy and create jobs.

The document opens by warning that while the American Dream has long been of equal opportunity for everyone, "Today that American Dream is at risk." It pledges that the GOP will "begin anew, with profound changes in the way government operates; the way it budgets, taxes and regulates."

... and regulates our sex lives.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by Estee on 08-28-12 at 09:27 PM
It's not that they don't see the contradictions, it's that they're hoping the bulk of their voters are too stupid or prejudiced to pick up on it.

Equal opportunity -- for the ones who are more equal than others.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by cahaya on 08-28-12 at 10:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-28-12 AT 11:05 PM (EST)

It's like the very fine print in MS font size 6 that you see in any legal contract or in your credit card terms and conditions. It gets summarily ignored by everyone except by those very few who bother to pull out a magnifying glass to read it.

And then it hits, starting with the pocketbook, then below the belt.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by Estee on 08-29-12 at 09:17 AM
I'd be tempted to write the Uganda bill into the platform just to see how many people would vote in favor of it.

It would create jobs, y'know. Building prisons, installing security systems, hiring guards -- that all adds up.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by AyaK on 08-29-12 at 10:09 AM
The first provision in the 2008 Democratic Party platform was to jumpstart America's economy to provide good jobs with good pay.

The chances of most of the Republican platform ever becoming law are the same as the chances of an administration led by Barack Obama ever living up to the 2008 Democratic platform. But Democratic partisans hope their voters are too stupid or prejudiced to realize it.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by Estee on 08-29-12 at 10:21 AM
'Vote for us and allow us to work towards our goals in the total confidence that we will never achieve them.'

No.

(And for the record, I did come within twenty seconds of automatically losing the thread.)

Give me an intelligent candidate who separates fiscal politics from social and I may vote Republican. What has been offered to me? Isn't it.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by newsomewayne on 08-29-12 at 11:08 AM
Give me an intelligent candidate who separates fiscal politics from social and I may vote Republican.

So voting for the Democrat is out, too?


U.S. Government: Doing everything you used to do yourself for you since 2008.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by Estee on 08-29-12 at 11:12 AM
Only socialist countries allow three or more political parties to have a chance in an election.

Or so I'm told every time I ask about the exclusion of the smaller groups from the debates.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by bondt007 on 08-29-12 at 11:35 AM
Nice, typical Dem non-answer!



>Issued by "Q" and RollDdice


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by Estee on 08-29-12 at 11:50 AM
When I know people are automatically going to dismiss everything I say, it removes most of the incentive for serious answers.

So now you can dismiss this one: Barack Obama does not speak for me in all matters for every issue -- but at least he allows me to speak. It has been made clear that I have no place in the Republican party as it is currently constituted. Even in those areas where I agree with the GOP position, I have no intention of trying to join a club which won't have me as a member.

Moderate Democrats still have a place on the fringes of the party. Moderate Republicans are close to extinct.


"RE: Predictably"
Posted by AyaK on 08-29-12 at 02:03 PM
>Moderate Democrats still have a place on the fringes of the
>party. Moderate Republicans are close to extinct.

Actually, speaking as what used to be called a "liberal Republican" and is now called a "moderate Republican" (because the meaning of "liberal" has changed), I think both groups are close to extinct.

Frankly, I'm hoping that Romney can spark a comeback for moderate Republicans, even if he has speak conservative to get the chance. As I've mentioned before, Lincoln did it.

As far as Barack Obama allowing you to speak, I thought you would have realized by now that he allows everyone to speak but doesn't listen to anyone.


"POLITICO's view"
Posted by AyaK on 08-29-12 at 02:23 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80316_Page4.html

Looking forward, the economic and cultural wings of the party will inevitably clash if the all-consuming fiscal focus continues with Ryan and, particularly, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul taking their place atop the GOP. And the fight won’t just be over how much attention to focus on abortion. While Republicans are likely to broadly remain an anti-abortion party, there will almost certainly be an internal battle in the next decade over whether they must bow to the country’s rapidly shifting views of gay marriage.

“The social conservatives are getting squeezed,” said one of the party’s most well-known former governors. “You notice how little attention their issues are getting now and just wait when the economic intellectuals embodied by Ryan and the libertarians who love Paul take over.”

Let's hope he's right.


"RE: POLITICO's view"
Posted by cahaya on 08-29-12 at 09:42 PM
Actually, in my view, a fairly good assessment.

"Who's watching?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-29-12 at 09:33 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-29-12 AT 10:22 PM (EST)

Not the whole world.

Ho hum. Some speeches by the rank and file. Pawlenty of them. Along with the loser of the last election.

Would you look around you now
And tell me what you see...

I grew up with this song. Conventions (either party) aren't what they used to be.


"RE: Who's watching?"
Posted by AyaK on 08-29-12 at 11:12 PM
I haven't seen an interesting convention since the 1976 Republican convention, which went right down to the wire with Ford-Dole versus Reagan-Schweiker, which got Jesse Helms all ticked off at Reagan.

And that, by the way, shows that the "RINO" whining owes a lot to Helms and nothing to Reagan. Great reason to reject it.


"Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by frodis on 08-29-12 at 11:10 PM
The political chatter around the Republican convention has once again turned to a Romney pick – with delegates and reporters alike wondering who the campaign has tapped to be the mystery guest at Thursday night’s finale.

The buzz started Monday when convention officials released a revised schedule that included a “To Be Announced” speaker – tucked between a performance by singer Taylor Hicks and a speech by Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio.

Officials confirmed Wednesday that a surprise guest was still on the schedule but declined further comment.


Um. How good could this mystery guest possibly be if he or she is following the bathroom break Taylor Hicks?

I'll take Mitt's elevator music.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by AyaK on 08-29-12 at 11:33 PM
The rumor is that the mystery guest speaker is Clint Eastwood, who was ticked about the Obama campaign's attempt to use his Chrysler ad during the Super Bowl as an Obama campaign pitch.

"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by dabo on 08-30-12 at 02:38 AM
Honestly, I would be astonished. Clint never takes sides between political parties, he is pro-America (proudly so) and that is about it. His Superbowl promo fit his bill exactly, I doubt he cared what any of the the pols tried to make of it.

Go America!


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by AyaK on 08-30-12 at 09:29 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/29/who-convention-mystery-guest-new-gop-parlor-game/?intcmp=trending

Eastwood is a libertarian who generally (but not always) votes Republican. In 1992, when I voted for Clinton, he voted for Perot. And he voted for Democrat Gray Davis in 1998 for governor of California, although he doesn't say how he voted in the recall.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/11/clint-eastwood-talks-politics-whos-the-one-democrat-that-he-voted-for.html


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by dabo on 08-30-12 at 11:58 AM
I thought Clint went on record that the Super Bowl ad wasn't a political pitch for either side, it was intended as a morale booster, just a pure non-partisan pro-American thing.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2012/02/06/clint-eastwood-on-super-bowl-ad-im-not-obamas-puppet/

It was meant to be a message … just about job growth and the spirit of America. I think all politicians will agree with it.

Whatever, that was months ago, he is entitled to take a side now if he wishes to.

Anyway, the TBA mystery speaker has certainly worked as a publicity stunt, generating interest in what would otherwise be a by the numbers convention finale. Everyone from Clint to Ronald Reagan's ghost has been speculated as the TBA. WOO!

Well, we'll see. I expect it to be, actually, a passing of the baton, either Dubya himself or former VP Cheney. A political big gun moment.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by AyaK on 08-30-12 at 06:58 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-12 AT 07:00 PM (EST)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/clint-eastwood-gop-convention-mystery-guest-mitt-romney-/1

If either Dubya or Cheney are there, then Romney needs to fire his entire advance team.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by cahaya on 08-30-12 at 07:12 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-12 AT 07:17 PM (EST)

Well, there goes the legal Mexican immigrant vote.

A fistful of dollars, yup, that's government.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by dabo on 08-30-12 at 08:01 PM
lol

Oh well, when I get it wrong at least I get it wrong big!

Missed the news about Clint endorsing Romney earlier this month, thought he was still taking the strong silent position.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by Brownroach on 08-30-12 at 10:22 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-12 AT 10:23 PM (EST)

thought he was still taking the strong silent position

He probably should have. He came off a wee bit daft. And why is everyone seemingly going out of their way to insult Romney in their speeches ("Tell him to do what to himself? Oh no he can't do that"). Really? This was a good thing to include in your ringing tribute? It's not a Friars' roast, Clint.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by AyaK on 08-30-12 at 10:58 PM
You're right on message for the Democrats talking points:

Play Ditzy for Me

But even Republicans admit that Clint was all over the place:

https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/241357719213309952

However, his job was to deliver the audience for the Rubio-Romney speeches, and he did that.


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by Brownroach on 08-30-12 at 11:13 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-12 AT 11:15 PM (EST)

Romney himself did very well, I must admit.


"Clint's act"
Posted by cahaya on 08-31-12 at 08:02 AM
Full video here.

I actually liked this enough to go back and watch it again.


"Yep"
Posted by moonbaby on 08-31-12 at 01:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-31-12 AT 02:32 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 08-31-12 AT 02:26 PM (EST)

I'm not sure Clint did anyone any favors with his little skit. So glad I only read the transcript-my face would have hurt from all the wincing.


ETA: Much hilarity ensued as #eastwooding became a social media thing with photos of people and pets gesturing to empty chairs.

Too funny. Have to add:


"RE: Yep"
Posted by bondt007 on 08-31-12 at 04:14 PM
I'm personally glad that people are catching on to the empty Hope and Change they voted for...


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 08-30-12 at 10:19 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-30-12 AT 10:33 PM (EST)

Great quote found in the comments section in your link:

I know what you're thinking. "Did Obama add $6 Trillion to the national debt or only 5?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a Paul Ryan on the ticket, the most powerful conservative in the world, and would blow all your spending plans clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, liberal pinheads?


"RE: Mystery speaker on Thursday?"
Posted by DearAbby on 08-30-12 at 09:35 PM
Wow, Taylor sure looks old. I never liked him during AI, but he sounded pretty good tonight, both singing and playing harmonica. And he still can't dance.

"Ryan runs..."
Posted by cahaya on 09-05-12 at 02:06 PM
... his mouth on how fast he can run a marathon.

How long would it take him to run the marathon with one foot in the mouth? Three and a half hours?


"RE: Ryan runs..."
Posted by Estee on 09-05-12 at 02:27 PM
Not impressed. As we all know, if his faith was really strong, he'd be able to leg-press three thousand pounds.