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"Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Brownroach on 06-22-12 at 11:04 PM
LAST EDITED ON 06-22-12 AT 11:15 PM (EST)

On 45 counts.

Eta- sorry I haven't mastered doing links on my iPad. I'm sure one of our many resourceful posters will bridge the gap.

When I heard that the verdict had been reached so quickly I was fearful it was going the other way.

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"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Round Robin on 06-23-12 at 01:03 AM
Guilty as hell. Was no doubt about it.
"The Hammurabi in me"
Posted by IceCat on 06-23-12 at 08:26 AM

... wants to say release him into the general prison population and arrange to leave the communal shower area unsupervised.
"RE: The Hammurabi in me"
Posted by cahaya on 06-23-12 at 09:01 AM
Like "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".

And a ___ for a ___.

"Agree"
Posted by moonbaby on 06-23-12 at 09:24 AM
Was thinking the same exact thing. I was also not very surprised that one of his sons was going to testify against him. Was his wife willfully ignoring the awfulness?

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Estee on 06-23-12 at 09:48 AM
My one and only comfort is that there are stone-set minimum sentences on many of the charges, which the judge has no power to lower. This means we can't get the jury's verdict effectively overturned from the bench with a 'They didn't fool me' followed by six hours of probation and a public apology for the hard time. This is at least ten years in prison and that number can't be dropped during the sentencing.

Which means Santorum will just have to run for governor and then pardon him.

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by kingfish on 06-23-12 at 10:52 AM
Right now I'd be more afraid that Obama would try to pardon him to try and win the pedophile bloc vote.

(Fortunately for that we have the state/federal jurisdictional division. I hope).

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by cahaya on 06-23-12 at 01:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 06-23-12 AT 01:30 PM (EST)

Obama has no interest in Penn State football, or any other Penn State ball play, just sayin'.

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by kingfish on 06-23-12 at 02:46 PM
When it comes to election year pandering, I wouldn't put anything past Obama. He's running out of special interest groups, sooner or later he's going to think about the child molesting voters.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by dabo on 06-23-12 at 03:21 PM
I think that's a genuinely unrealistic dig.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Snidget on 06-23-12 at 05:28 PM
*nods*

He's a politician.

Politicians, from every party, only pardon the inexplicable and unpardonable once they have lost the election and as they are packing to leave the building. It's tradition.

Lets not say that if you pander to the gays that puts you on the slippery slope to pandering to every other sexually deviant group imaginable. It isn't the road to making political promises to the tentacle porn crowd.

While every politician panders to people any given individual doesn't like, they are all pretty much (except for some the whackadoos that can't hold it together to win a primary) smart enough not to go to a group that will alienate 99% of the populace.

Won't find Romney pandering the right wing equivalent of pedophiles, either.

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by kingfish on 06-23-12 at 08:25 PM
Well, there was a little sarcasm there. A little.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by kidflash212 on 06-24-12 at 10:39 AM
Won't find Romney pandering the right wing equivalent of pedophiles, either.

Doesn't need to - he's got the Catholic priest vote locked up already.


Capn2patch put me in motion!

"Gawdsdamnit. "
Posted by Estee on 06-24-12 at 11:16 AM
And I was feeling ridiculously proud of myself for spending the past day only thinking that.

Realistically, I'm guessing the Vatican has major problems with both sides of this election.

"RE: Gawdsdamnit. "
Posted by kidflash212 on 06-24-12 at 11:45 AM
True, some deeply held prejudices are in play. Even Fred Phelps of Westboro has said he would vote for Obama over Romney. Seems the one thing they hate more than gays is Mormons.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by dabo on 06-23-12 at 02:08 PM

"Most appropriate words:"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 06-23-12 at 10:48 AM
After the verdict, the mother of Victim 6 said, "Nobody wins. We've all lost."
"RE: Most appropriate words:"
Posted by cahaya on 06-23-12 at 01:32 PM
More innocence lost than guilt established, for sure.
"RE: Most appropriate words:"
Posted by Karchita on 06-23-12 at 09:28 PM
I'd have to say that the cheering that was going on after the verdict seemed incredibly inappropriate to me. Nobody won but at least justice prevailed.


"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by agman on 06-23-12 at 02:57 PM
I'm so happy the SOB is going to spend the rest of his life in prison! Ditto to what Ice Cat said earlier too!!!

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Max Headroom on 06-23-12 at 08:48 PM
Here's hoping his sentences will be served consecutively and not concurrently.
"If you can believe it"
Posted by suzzee on 06-23-12 at 09:12 PM
This is the title of his memoir. Enough said IMO.

"Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story,"


A Tribe masterpiece


"RE: If you can believe it"
Posted by foonermints on 06-23-12 at 10:29 PM
That's bang on.

Just the English translation ma'am.
foonermint: keeping Starshine from embarrassing himsef.

"His literary side. "
Posted by Estee on 06-24-12 at 03:20 PM
The only article I saw which mentioned the book claimed it's badly written, then printed an exert which proven it. Supposedly some of the passages become very disturbing in hindsight.

Here's the Amazon listing. Note that the vultures are out in full force here: I wouldn't give any seller a nickel for it unless it was covering shipping.

The reviews, however, are fun.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-The-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340565415&sr=8-1&keywords=jerry+sandusky

"RE: His literary side. "
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 06-24-12 at 04:49 PM
I thought this was interesting, from your link...

"RE: His literary side. "
Posted by kidflash212 on 06-24-12 at 08:30 PM
'His others deeds notwithstanding (and for the record, i don't approve of most of it), it must be repeated that the man absolutely revolutionized the game of football. The book really illustrates his genius in defensive schemes on the grid-iron. A must have, for any lover of the game.'


I think I found this review most disturbing of all.


Capn2patch put me in motion!

"RE: His literary side. "
Posted by EMTBGRL on 10-13-12 at 01:18 AM
"i don't approve of most of it"

The word "Most" scares the beejeezus out of me. WHAT part of the behaviors of Sandusky does this ..reviewer..approve?

>I think I found this review
>most disturbing of all.

I can see why! Is anyone checking this reviewer's basement for young boys? That statement seems like a slip to me. Anyone else?
>


"Career come full circle..."
Posted by tribephyl on 06-24-12 at 03:25 AM
Starts at Penn. State ends at State Pen.
Fitting.
"RE: Career come full circle..."
Posted by Brownroach on 06-24-12 at 05:33 PM
Props to tribe for coming up with what's probably the only acceptable joke one could make about the whole thing.
"RE: Career come full circle..."
Posted by byoffer on 06-25-12 at 11:15 AM
Goes from abusing at Penn State to being abused at State Pen??

"Huh.."
Posted by Snidget on 06-24-12 at 07:06 AM
Something finally did wipe that silly grin off his face.
"On suicide watch."
Posted by Estee on 06-24-12 at 11:14 AM
I hereby volunteer to take a shift. I have no problems with watching him commit suicide.
"RE: On suicide watch."
Posted by kingfish on 06-24-12 at 11:57 AM
There's a simple solution here.

Stop watching for a while.

"RE: On suicide watch."
Posted by kidflash212 on 06-24-12 at 12:05 PM
Can't blame a guard for having to take a bathroom break.
"Too Easy"
Posted by foonermints on 06-24-12 at 07:32 PM
Don't you want him to bloat up on cheap starchy food first?


AND "Mystery Meat".

"RE: Too Easy"
Posted by cahaya on 06-25-12 at 05:53 PM
I pity the poor coroner who gets the job.

Oops, did I just say 'job'?

"The Appeal"
Posted by kidflash212 on 06-26-12 at 07:46 AM
Appealing the conviction based on inadequate representation. Defense is saying that this came to trial too quickly for them to prepare properly.



Capn2patch put me in motion!

"RE: The Appeal"
Posted by suzzee on 06-26-12 at 08:58 AM
There isn't enough time in the world to clean up the mess he made of his and who knows how many victims.


I should be watched....closely.


"RE: The Appeal"
Posted by Estee on 06-26-12 at 11:39 AM
Gosh, they really want to give his son a shot at the witness stand, don't they?
"RE: The Appeal"
Posted by dabo on 06-26-12 at 12:00 PM
Any lawyer who would let his client be interviewed by Bob Costas on television, who in fact came up with that dumb idea and set the whole thing up, was clearly playing for the inadequate defense appeal from the get-go. And it clearly is true that the defense was really bad, but that strategy is so obvious in this case that the only result should be that the lawyer be disbarred, and he and his client can otherwise just go cry with their fellow sicko NAMBLA buddies.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by cahaya on 06-30-12 at 12:26 PM
And the dominoes continue to fall...

Who knew what?

"Paterno: damned."
Posted by Estee on 07-12-12 at 10:59 AM
The FBI report on any potential Penn State coverup came out today.

You can take 'potential' off now. Forever.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8159195/report-says-penn-state-senior-officials-disregarded-children-welfare

I'm about to download and read the full report (267 pages, so this may take a while), but these words stood out to me in the article: "Penn State changed its plan and did not alert authorities of Sandusky's alleged actions after consulting with Paterno." Because they were afraid of bad publicity. Better to allow a dozen more children to be raped than for one story stopping it to made the air. And so it went for an extra thirteen years. Reputation intact, lives destroyed. An equation they were happy to work with, because they didn't get hurt.

I've been calling him JoePope since this story broke. And now I'm remembering his asking the locals on his lawn to pray for the victims. Give the request for mercy on them to a higher authority, because there's nothing he would do -- except close his eyes. And he almost managed to keep doing it for a lifetime.

As long as the institution survives untainted, let its members do whatever they want. Sound familiar?

"RE: Paterno: damned."
Posted by suzzee on 07-12-12 at 11:07 AM
It sounds so familiar that it's becoming the norm.


Coolest Siggie Ever thx Tribe! 2008


"Page 187"
Posted by Estee on 07-12-12 at 01:02 PM
*silence*
"Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa"
Posted by Estee on 07-13-12 at 09:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy

Meanwhile, Penn State plans to renovate the showers.

Can we fire those janitors as a first step?

"Catawba College...deja vu all over again."
Posted by Snidget on 07-18-12 at 05:54 PM
http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article/236931/57/Former-Catawba-Coach-Charged-W-Sex-Offenses
"Paging Dexter Morgan"
Posted by moonbaby on 07-18-12 at 07:31 PM
This crap needs to stop
"RE: Paging Dexter Morgan"
Posted by Snidget on 07-18-12 at 07:40 PM
Yep, and the next generation around here is starting young.

Do not read if you love kittens.

http://tinyurl.com/6p56b2a

Hopefully the Mom who was acting like it was no big deal what her child did was just lawyered up and in don't apologize or acknowledge any wrong doing mode.

"Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by newsomewayne on 07-23-12 at 09:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

Or as I like to call it, A good place to start.

"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by Estee on 07-23-12 at 10:10 AM
Sadly, the NCAA has no power to make Penn State put a ten-year freeze on all financial charges enforced against students, so they'll get their sixty million dollars back in tuition, textbooks, dorm fees, and meal plans. Plus profit. A college never really pays for anything...

So far, the only major injury done is to their image. And to those who maintain their blind spot allegiance, nothing ever happened.

"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by byoffer on 07-23-12 at 10:27 AM
Universities have a few sources of funds. Certainly the students will be impacted by this and take it right in the tuition wallet. What about government money? This is a state school, right, so gets a pile of gov't dollars. Will taxpayers in PA get to pay a share?

The other big source of $$ for big schools like Penn St is the alumni. I have to think this will have a very negative impact on the funds the school receives from their alumni, but then again those "blind allegiance" folks could put back the $60M and then some to keep Penn St going.

What the NCAA really needs to do is find a way to find the athletic programs at the school (can they fine just football?) but in reality just as Joe Pa was culpable, so to was the university president (not just the athletics dept).

Recruiting (sport or other) won't be fun at Penn St for a while!

"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by newsomewayne on 07-23-12 at 10:37 AM
Of the three groups you mentioned, students and donors will at least have the choice to continue to support PSU or withhold their $ and take them elsewhere. The taxpayers, however, will be on the hook no matter what they would choose on their own.
"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by Estee on 07-23-12 at 11:23 AM
Did you see yesterday's pre-sentencing article? There's a fun quote in it that's well worth pasting here.

"Emmert has been given full reign by the pansy presidents (at other universities) to make his own decision," said the trustee, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He has been given the authority to impose these unprecedented sanctions. It's horrible."

Do you think they've learned anything yet?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

"Idio(ma)tic error"
Posted by cahaya on 07-23-12 at 01:31 PM
Emmert has been given full reign by the pansy presidents...

Bzzt!

I really should get a job as an editor somewhere. I see these kinds of errors in news articles every single day and they stick out like sore thumbs.

From online dictionary: Reign is sometimes wrongly written for rein in certain phrases: he gave full rein (not reign) to his feelings...

And guess who gave who free reign? (Yes, it's free reign this time.)

"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by byoffer on 07-23-12 at 02:39 PM
At least the fine is purportedly going to the cause, rather than just into the NCAA's pockets. Otherwise the taxpayers would have a right be even more upset.

I've actually never really thought about that before - what do most leagues do with fine money? When Mark Cuban gets fined $100K for complaining about an official, who gets the money? (I know that he says he also donates another $100K to charity, but what about the initial $100K??)

"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by Round Robin on 07-24-12 at 03:31 AM
The Big 10 money they're losing is going to the cause too. The other Big 10 schools aren't divvying it up.
"RE: Not the death penalty, but close."
Posted by Estee on 07-24-12 at 05:32 AM
The leagues typically designate favorite charities and donate all fine money to them. Except for the NBA, where David Stern just takes baths in it.
"The player escape hatch opens."
Posted by Estee on 07-25-12 at 06:53 PM
This has been lost in the shuffle during the NCAA's reading of the punishment list, but it's worth mentioning: any current Penn State football player may transfer schools without having to sit out a year. Incoming students may also have the right to switch their commitment. For a very rare once, the NCAA is not handing out jail time to the innocent.

Don't expect that trend to repeat.

"Sentencing tomorrow."
Posted by Estee on 10-08-12 at 07:20 PM
Unfortunately, Sandusky is scheduled to speak.
"RE: Sentencing tomorrow."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 10-08-12 at 08:30 PM
He is... and he already spoke earlier today in a radio broadcast, sounds like he is well on his way to convincing the judge to completely throw the book at him tomorrow.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NCAA/2012/10/08/20268006.html

"RE: Sentencing tomorrow."
Posted by Snidget on 10-08-12 at 08:46 PM
He does not live in the same world with the rest of us does he?
"RE: Sentencing tomorrow."
Posted by Estee on 10-08-12 at 09:42 PM
*reads*

I seldom expect a convinced felon to admit guilt, but he seems to be asking for the judge to insert the book in a place where he'll always be reminded of just how much he and he alone has suffered. The only thing missing from that conspiracy theory is an explanation of how it's all Barack Obama's fault. And I give that fourteen hours.

Would you be surprised by a self-published book telling his lie of the story? Would you even blink if it was released tomorrow afternoon? All proceeds go to The Innocence Project 2.0. Because he's innocent. And he will prove it. To himself.

Mission accomplished.

"He gets 30-60"
Posted by cahaya on 10-09-12 at 10:32 AM
From CNN news blog:

Jerry Sandusky has been given a sentence of not less than 30 years and no more than 60 years with credit for time served.

It will take awhile for us to find out how the sentencing hearing unfolded. The judge has issued an order that prevents reporters from tweeting or reporting from the courtroom.

"RE: He gets 30-60"
Posted by Estee on 10-09-12 at 10:34 AM
In Session reports that several victims spoke, with one early in the timeline begging the later ones to forgive him. Sandusky's speech was, as with the radio statement, all about his total innocence. Which he can now tell the other inmates about. I'm sure they're interested.

The judge seems to have said he didn't want to assign centuries of jail time because it would just look ridiculous. No parole before thirty years, classified as violent sexual offender.

"RE: He gets 30-60"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 10-09-12 at 10:35 AM
I give it 30-60 days before Bubba introduces himself in prison.

This is a case where I really don't think he'll survive prison for a long period of time - all it takes is for a guard to be momentarily "called away" with the door unlocked.

"RE: He gets 30-60"
Posted by cahaya on 10-09-12 at 10:41 AM
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-12 AT 01:52 AM (EST)

Very likely he'll be kept in isolated protected custody for the rest of his days...

From USA Today:

Herbert Hoelter, a prison consultant, has helped prepare some of the country's most famous new felons — Bernard Madoff, Michael Vick and Martha Stewart to name a few — for lives in prison. Hoelter says none of them carried the risk that Sandusky brings with him as he approaches the state prison gates for the first time.

As a celebrity, a convicted sex offender with multiple child victims and the man ultimately responsible for the sanctions that gutted Penn State's beloved football program, Sandusky represents a uniquely dangerous convergence of vulnerability in one Pennsylvania inmate.

"I don't think there is any way — given what he represents — that he'll stay out of protected custody," Hoelter says. "He's likely looking at spending the rest of his life alone in solitary confinement just for his own safety."

(eta) Another take by SI:

"The Sandusky case is one of those moments when our core beliefs are really tested,'' said Lovisa Stannow, executive director of Just Detention International, a group that fights prison rape. "This is a moment when it's especially crucial to recognize that nobody ever deserves to be raped. No matter who you are, sexual violence and rape is wrong, it's a crime, and it is something we have to fight."

"For the record."
Posted by Estee on 10-12-12 at 02:07 PM
I spent far too much of last night having a very long, extremely reluctant argument with a woman who believes Sandusky is innocent. To be more specific, she believes he's the victim of a giant conspiracy designed to exploit money from Penn State in the hundreds of millions, getting a dozen con artists their payday and all it takes is costing a charitable man the rest of his life. And absolutely nothing I said to the contrary convinced her otherwise because I didn't see any of it happen, I wasn't there, and no evidence not personally witnessed can possibly exist.

No, I have no idea why I did that to myself.

Yes, she's a birther.

"RE: For the record."
Posted by cahaya on 10-12-12 at 02:51 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-12 AT 02:52 PM (EST)

Sorry to say, Estee, there are those who wish to remain ignorant of fact, those who wish to close their hearts to the suffering of others, those who expect that the world meets their false vision of it, yet the reality of it eludes them. I can say for certain that you are not among them.

Nor am I.

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 10-12-12 at 03:07 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-12 AT 03:07 PM (EST)

I had a discussion with my co-worker earlier this afternoon about this woman's case:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1270499--mom-who-glued-her-toddler-s-hands-to-the-wall-gets-99-years-in-prison

She got 99 years in prison for super-gluing her toddler's hands to the wall and assaulting her to the point where the child developed bleeding in the brain.

My co-worker asked this question -- what would you consider to be more heinous, Jerry Sandusky abusing numerous vulnerable young boys/men while using his fame and charity to facilitate this, or a mother willingly torturing and abusing her child in this manner? Sandusky got 30-60 years with 30 years as an absolute minimum (providing he doesn't die in prison first) while the mother is eligible to apply for parole after 30 years.

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by Estee on 10-12-12 at 03:28 PM
Sandusky for the numerical weight of multiple lives ruined -- but ultimately, monster=monster.
"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by KeithFan on 10-13-12 at 01:05 AM
That is a really bad "would you rather..."

"RE: Sandusky guilty"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 10-13-12 at 02:31 PM
It's certainly not a "would you rather" situation as both are remarkably heinous, but my point was more to the sentences handed out as the mom got 99 years while Sandusky got 30-60.
"Hang 'em High!"
Posted by foonermints on 10-12-12 at 05:26 PM
foonerswoopblock©
"RE: Hang 'em High!"
Posted by Round Robin on 10-13-12 at 00:06 AM
I'd hang him by the jewelry.
"RE: Hang 'em High!"
Posted by agman on 10-19-12 at 01:20 PM
His jewelry needs to be cut off!


"RE: Hang 'em High!"
Posted by KeithFan on 10-13-12 at 01:07 AM
Love that song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJM2paIyn2c

"Victim #1 to speak tonight: Sandusky demands new trial. "
Posted by Estee on 10-19-12 at 12:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8521790/jerry-sandusky-accuser-speaks-publicly-1st-time

So what's more depressively amusing: the initial insistence that nothing could be done because Sandusky was just so good-hearted that they'd need a dozen more victims to think about doing anything -- and got them -- or Sandusky giving one of the reasons for his release as 'statute of limitations ran out on several charges', which can directly equal 'I did it, but it's too late for you to punish me'?