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"***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"

Posted by Femme on 10-26-02 at 05:49 PM
***Disclaimer: This summary isn't the least bit funny. Seriously.***

Wha-?!? I don't get it.
by Femme

Wow. What a major disappointment. Not since Seinfeld has a finale had so much potential but ended up sucking so badly. I can't get over the amount of loose ends and unanswered questions.

If you're anything like me - which you're probably not, since I tend to be a little on the strange side - you didn't have any delusions of grandeur about winning the prize money. Instead you watched the show as a casual viewer, wrapped up in the story, excited to see how it would all turn out. I know all three of you are probably as disappointed as I was. But, I'm going to hook you up. I did a little research and spent hours getting the whole story off all the silly internet sites ABC set up to help wrap up this story for you. Sad thing is, it's actually a great story, but they just didn't do it any justice.

I'll try to keep this short. I know you Push viewers don't really have very big attention spans, after all...

The show opens with Deputy Dawn looking like she's struggling with whether or not to shoot Jim Prufrock. Jim, of course, is not really dead. And, not one of the four of us watching is buying it for a minute. Of course, just before she is to shoot Jim, Sloman shoots the other undercover agent in the head and Dawn blows her cover. She and Sloman shoot each other. Sloman is fine though, as is Jim. They both have on kevlar vests. Does anyone else think it's strange that the only person not wearing a vest is the one in a police officer's uniform?

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Seems our deputy here wasn't too bright. She never learned about Watermark in the two years that she was undercover in Push. She was only ever after Sloman. And, of course, just our luck: she survived the gunshot wound. God help us, if there's ever a sequel to this show, she could be a returning character.

I can't help thinking how convenient it is that all of a sudden, there is all this help in Push. What a copout. And, the whole thing smacks of some cheesy cop movie where everything works out allright at the end. And, anyway, isn't the IRS just a bunch of accountants and stuff. Guys with thick galsses and pocket protectors? What the hell are they doing with all those helicopters. The show has barely started and I'm already disappointed. Worse yet, it's not even the first time I've groaned at this episode. What a looooooooooong hour this is going to be.

So, Jim and Dawn are safe and are whisked away back to Push proper. They are debriefed by the Super-Duper IRS Agent, and propose their theory to the investigator. It goes down like this: The mob is using Push, Nevada to launder money. They set up Watermark and buy all Sloman's properties (the casino, the businesses in town, the bank) they get the dirty mob money into Push, they pay it out as casino winnings to the residents of Push, who in turn spend the money at Push businesses (conveniently owned by Watermark) and then the money is "clean" and cycled back into the Watermark bank accounts. A little far fetched, but, okay, *I* can't think of anything better, so I'll buy into it.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Actually, the whole Push thing began as a marketing experiment. Some guy, T.S. Griffin, decided that he wanted to watch a community as if the members were mice in a lab experiment. Short story? It was a market reserach program to help boost the effectiveness of advertising efforts. If they could see how people really spent money and were able to track purchases and cash and even know the consumer's real motivations, they could make lots of bucks in the advertising industry. Watermark was set up to run the experiment, but was subsequently taken over by the undesirables. T.S. Griffin and his partner stayed on even after Watermark got ugly, but were very unhappy with the way things were turning out. The whole operation became a way to launder money. Sloman was just the in-town liason for the Watermark guys. Too bad they never clued us in to that, huh? Just a minor piece of the story.

Mary goes to see Job and leaves the bible that she stole from Jim with him. This bible has been a huge question mark for the entire season and I was getting excited to learn of its signifigance. But, in true-to-this-series fashion, the bible was never explained. How lame.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: The bible was one of two. They were kill-codes that exposed all the evil, dirty deeds being done by the Watermark crew. They were created by Griffin and his partner, each maintaining control over their own copy. Once Jamison Jones took over at Watermark, unruly citizens started being killed and instead of doing just market research, the company started altering the behaviors and controlling the habits of Push residents. The Watermark founders, Griffin and his partner, were no longer in control. They created the coded bibles as a bit of insurance, so they could someday break out of the illicit Watermark.

So Jim is pondering who sent him the fax. He knows his 'work is done' (how cheesy and cliche) in Push, but still, this one question nags at him. He heads back to Martha's boarding house to check out of his room. Delilah is there and she wants to get it on. This is getting more and more farfetched by the minute. What's a hot girl like her really want with this weasly, goody-two-shoes IRS agent who isn't hot, isn't rich, doesn't drive a nice car, and hasn't expressed even the slightest inclination that he's interested. Whatever. To each their own, I suppose. Jim, ever the consummate professional, leaves the room after demanding she get dressed. As soon as he steps out, he sees BRB storming down the hall. Oddly enough, BRB doesn't seem the least bit upset with Jim. But, wait, that hardly makes any sense...

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Well, this was an interesting little bit of trivia. Seems the only thing BRB asked for when he got mixed up with Watermark was that he wanted Delilah for his wife. Apparently, they had ways of making people fall in love by altering their perception of what was "attractive and desirable". This is what they did to Delilah and how they got her to fall for BRB. But, apparently, she has a bit of a wild streak that likes to shine through and reveal her true attractions. I guess she has a thing for skinny, good-boy, IRS agents that are on their way outta town.

As Jim is checking out of the boarding house, he considers the "No Entry! Off Limits!" sign and I'm sure he's going to disregard the sign and see what's back there, if only to clear up that mystery for all four of us watching. But, no, he is surprised by Martha who says she will send him a bill when she "figures it out".

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Evidently, this 'Off Limits' area was the control room that the Watermark crew used to spy on all the goings-on of Push residents. Martha was in on the experiment from the start, and like the others who saw the company change into something terrible, she kept her big mouth shut and let the crew stay there to spy. When you could end up dead for speaking up, why not just let business go on as usual. Now, this is mostly theory, but the guy who's always with her... the one in the wheelchair. I'm 90% sure that it's T.S. Griffin, original founder of the Push experiment. He is dying from a debilitating, terminal form of cancer and has professed that by watching Shadrack, he knows that faking disinterest in Watermark and acting un-threatening, he will be left alone and viewed as a non-threat. I know that this is him, but I have no definitive proof.

Jim heads off to Sloman's to see Mary. Mary displays her terrible acting ability one last time and we are pleased that she and Jim do not end up together. Well, you might be disappointed, but I'm not. Watching her fight her way through her lines was pure torture for me and I'm so glad she wasn't elevated to the status of "Jim's girlfriend". Jim gets a little tongue action from her anyway then heads off to Job's to gas up before hitting the road. Job comments on the Shadrack Sculpture in the backseat of Jim's car and they talk about it for a minute.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Shadrack had a lot going on upstairs, apparently. He was the comptroller for Push, that much we know, but after his wife and two kids died, he lost it and became something of a vagrant. What happened was this: He spoke out against Watermark buying the Versailles from Sloman, and hten, when Watermark offered him a job working on the experiment (I guess to try and get the vocal man in their hip pocket) he said, "No way." So, Watermark had his wife and kids killed. Simple as that. Shadrack slipped into dementia after the deaths, and Watermark saw him as a non-threat and left him alone.

Jim Prufock is back in Carson City and what's this? He's got his own reserved parking spot at the IRS offices. Inside, he learns that he's been given a promotion (actually, Ira Glassman has been demoted and Jim is given Ira's job and office) and that he's working for a new boss. Mr. Mann is clearly the most jovial and animated tax man I've ever seen and he's just thrilled to promote Jim. Jim is sceptical, but with some demands of his met, he decides to accept the position. He demands Grace be brought back in to work for him and that he get to work on 3 cases a year without interference from his bosses. Mann caves then drags Jim off to a reception.

At the reception is the former Mrs. Prufrock. Oh, Darlene... now we know why you two really split up. You're butt-ugly. Anyway, Darlene is full of promises to start a new life over together and professes that she is clean and sober and ready to try again. Jim isn't really buying into it, but he grudingly agrees that he will see her later at home.

Jim calls Grace. He wants her back, but apparently Grace is taking up marksmanship these days. She lies when Jim asks what that bang in the background is. Why she won't tell him she's at a shooting range is beyond me, and evidently, it's beyond the producers and writers as well, as they never explain it to us four. I guess maybe she's becoming empowered, but whatever the case, it's not very clear and I add this scene to my list of disappointments in this series. She refuses to come back to work for Jim and says that she knows the Push 1040s weren't there when she had looked for them.

Jim heads home and has a heartfelt talk with the dog-faced Darlene. They get it on, as we see in silhouette. In one exciting and satisfying twist, we see the three well-dressed men outside the window. One looks at his watch and oddly enough, it's precisely 9:15 p.m.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: When the Push experiment was taken over by the bad guys, Watermark used suggestions delivered via the media channels they controlled to alter the behavioral patterns of it's guinea pigs and make the captuer of data easier to accomplish. They got them all to shop at the same time, go to bed at the same time and even have sex at the same time (9:15 p.m.)

Jim ends up having a bad dream after sleeping with his estranged ex-wife. Interestingly enough, I understand this completely. I often have bad dreams, too, after eating bad meat or sleeping with someone who looks more like an alien than a human being. Poor Jim. Anyway, in the dream, he's locked in the trunk of his car. He gets out and goes inside a building where all the residents of Push have gathered. His wife is there, too, along with BRB, Delilah, and Sloman. There's some reference to waffles, rough patches and such. He wakes to find his wife standing like a zombie in the kitchen. She sees him and quickly sets to checking on her... you guessed it... waffles. Weird. I don't know what's going on here, but something surely is.

Jim gets back to the office and works on his report on Push. He is still bothered by the unknown identity of the person who sent him the fax. He decides to invite Ira out to lunch, as if Ira might now what the hell is going on. They small talk for a while, and Ira calls the IRS a "demanding and fickle mistress". I puke. Jim expresses concern about all the unanswered questions he still has. Me too, Jim... me, too. He returns to the office and sees a bunch of boxes. They're full of tax returns filed by the residents of Push. He is suspisious of them and goes to see know-it-all Grace. He finds her at a shooting range, and yet again, another opportunity to explain her new hobby is missed by our writers and producers. Grace confirms that the forms have to be fakes. Jim is convinced that there's some bad people in the IRS who are linked to the bad guys in Push, but still he doesn't know about Watermark.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Yes, Jim conveniently stumbles onto the truth. But, still no one tells us who the moles might be, though I suspect Mann. He bent much to quickly to Jim's demands and the strange phone call he recieved filling Jim in on his promotion (the one about "Pork chops" sounding fine) make me suspicious. But, who knows... certainly not us, the four people watching. I mean, why not reward us with answers after we so dilligently hung in there and continued to watch even after everyone else gave up?

Grace agrees to come back and work for Jim so long as she doesn't have to deal with his ex or wear pantyhose. I think I love Grace. She fires a few well aimed shots at her target and I'm sure now. I really do love her. Jim heads home and reaches into his breast coat pocket. It seems he finally found the AMP handkerchief Martha slipped him before he left Push. While looking at it, lost in thought, the POV of the camera changes and we see that the well-dressed men are spying on him with the same surveillance system they use to spy on all the Push residents. Jamison Jones informs us that the initials on the handkerchief stand for Alfred Michael Prufrock, Jim's father and former employee of Watermark.

What they should have cleared up, but didn't: Yes, Al is Griffin's partner, the other original employee of the Push experiment. Al faked his death because he wanted out and didn't want anything bad to happen to his wife and kid (12-year old Jim Prufrock), which would surely have been the case if he hadn't gotten out by faking his death. He took with him his own kill-code bible and never got in touch with Griffin again. Turns out Griffin was the one who sent Jim the fax, hoping that the son's involvement would lure Al out of hiding so this whole Watermark thing could be exposed and stopped. Evidently, Mary, Bodnick and Caleb had orchestrated the robbery of the casino and old Griffin found out and used it as a way to lure Jim to the case. Apparently it worked, because for the first time since he faked his death, Old Prufrock, Senior is starting to make his presence known again.

Then they cut to some horrible shot of Jim - only it's NOT Jim, it's Derek Cecil, the guys who plays Jim on TV. He tries to get us to think it's all real, then tells us to check out this website, www.pushtimes.com. See, they know there's gaping holes in the story but they don't want to actually do any of the work it would take to explain it, so they make me wade through 81 pages of crap related to the Push experiment. I only wanted to get lost in the TV show. I didn't know there was going to be homework, too. I'm furious, too, that they destroyed the illusion of the show by telling me that Jim isn't real, but just a character on TV. Way to go, jerks.

Derek (he's just not Jim to me anymore...) says that there are 6 words that somehow factor into this whole mess. Five, Longitude, Underwear, Southeast, Bodnick, Eliot. Whatever that means. Thanks, bud, the waters weren't muddy enough.

Anyway, even with all these "answers" spelled out in (did I mention?) 81 pages... there are still some big holes. What's up with the Stepford wife? She's obviously working for Watermark, but how and why? And the weird criminal investigator from the IRS, the one at the beginning who doesn't really "look like an IRS agent"??? Something's gotta be up with him. Mr. Mann is a big question mark, too. What's his role? And, Grace's new hobby is a wee-bit lost on me too. Guess I have to watch Monday Night Football - but, no ABC, not because you told me to, but because I always watch. The clue will air during the Toyota halftime show. (Does anyone else think Toyota got screwed with all the "hidden" toyota18.com messages in the finale? Suckers.)

I feel so used. I never agreed to all this extra credit. I just wanted a quirky little show with a square lead guy to develop a crush on, a weird log-lady to contemplate and lots of bizarre camera angles and stuff. Damn you Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. Damn you all to hell. (Good thing you're both so darn cute... that'll make forgiving you so much easier.)


Femme


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"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by YumYumsAngel007 on 10-26-02 at 10:01 PM
great summary!! it really cleared up a lot for me. don't they know we only have 5 minute attention spans??? i would have never been able to read all those 81 pages. . .all hail Femme, bow down to the great and wonderful Femme. . .
Koko was on the porch, trying to catch mosquitos on the screen, the problem being that they were all on the outside. "And you're supposed to be a smart cat," Qwilleran said.


"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by InventM on 10-26-02 at 11:01 PM
Bravo! I don't agree with everything you said, but Bravo! I believe that if ABC had let this show finish its season, it would have revealed the anwsers to many of your questions. Also, have you completely forgot about Watermark's competitor! In "The Letter of Law", Grace finds out that a company, known only by a symbol, had payed Jim's bail. We then go to the suits in the control room who are showing their bosses pictures about Jim. They come across the symbol and the bosses tell us that it's of their competitor.

"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by trigirl on 10-27-02 at 11:35 AM
Wow!

Since there are only four of us out here still frequenting this board, I feel bad for you Femme. This summary is out-of-this-world. I hope that the other two or three readers appreciate all the work you have put into it. I sure do!

Femme Rocks!

***Disclaimer: This summary isn't the least bit funny. Seriously.***
Femme, you are so wrong. You got the tone of this summary so right!

I know all three of you are probably as disappointed as I was.
Including you, that makes the four of us that posted on this damn board for the last seven weeks! Gee guys, hope you move over to TARsucks. I'll miss ya.

the guy who's always with her... the one in the wheelchair. I'm 90% sure that it's T.S. Griffin..
Great minds think alike! I was thinking the same darn thing.

Mary displays her terrible acting ability one last time...
I seriously think that her lousy acting contributed to the demise of the show. Didn't she make you want to flick your remote every time she slinked on camera?

Oh, Darlene... now we know why you two really split up. You're butt-ugly.
Bow Wow! She should be sending you cheques Jim.

I think I love Grace.
Me too. Only female character that wasn't lame! Plus, did you see the pipes on her when she was firing. You GO Girl!

I feel so used. I never agreed to all this extra credit. I just wanted a quirky little show with a square lead guy to develop a crush on, a weird log-lady to contemplate and lots of bizarre camera angles and stuff.
Thanks! I started to go thru all that extra-reading and couldn't finish it. Thanks for explaining the bibles, but I still want to know more about 'ridning around in Daddy's trunk' and the 'mysterious bail poster'. Guess it's going to have all go on my lifelong list of unsolved mysteries next to 'who killed JFK'.

Instead you watched the show as a casual viewer, wrapped up in the story, excited to see how it would all turn out.
I just wanted to know how it all ends. Why can't ABC ever let anything play out! Damn you Michael Eisner!


"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by Red Lady on 10-27-02 at 03:14 PM
Femme,

Count me among the group of 4 viewers...
Wouldn't it be considerate of ABC to air a summary show? I imagine the "powers that be at ABC" are too lazy to review their own 81 pgs of web notes though! Thank you Femme for providing some closure...albeit sketchy!


Regards,


"Oh my heck, I owe you big time"
Posted by Bebo on 10-27-02 at 05:12 PM
* bowing in homage to Femme *

Hon, when you agreed to take the Ep7 summary off my hands so that you still got the finale, I was grateful. When I watched the show on Thursday and said, "That's it?" at the lame lame lame ending with Derek, I was really grateful that you agreed to write the summary. When you poured through all 81 pages of the Push Experiment to complete the homework as part of your summary efforts, I realized that I am in your debt big time now.

I knew that this summary was in good hands, I just didn't realize how good. You are so completely awesome!


"so much cynicism from such an otherwise intelligent girl."
Posted by apodixis on 10-29-02 at 02:57 AM
i must firstly thank you for taking the time to brief us all on this mind boggling series, i am forever indebted to you for that. however, my dear, your criticism lacks taste. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i agree, but if you could do any better i'm sure you would have your own show...and you don't now do you?

i'll admit the last episode had a hint of cheese to it, and left a lot of loose ends, but what do you expect from a show that had to tie everything up six shows earlier then was expected? my hat goes off to everyone involved in this project. contrary to what the majority of viewers think, i thought the direction, writing, cinematography, and yes...acting, were all brilliant. and it's a damn shame that someone out there was stupid enough to think that a show of this genre, whose audience is limited to those few open-minded people left in the world who either enjoy a good whodoneit, or can just appreciate such an unconventional show, could compete with CSI, a show that has an established fan base of 30 million viewers. and because of that person we must all suffer the cruel and unusual punishment of not knowing the "truth". thanks fella!

oh, and by the way, why do girls always develop an inferiority complex when it comes to other (more attractive) women. scarlett chorvett did a fine job playing her role. just because you didn't like the character she played doesn't at all mean that she was a poor actress. and again, i must retort, if you could do any better i'm sure we would all be watching your pretty face on the screen, now wouldn't we?

just my thoughts.


"RE: so much cynicism from such an otherwise intelligent girl."
Posted by SherpaDave on 10-29-02 at 03:28 AM
Bashing the shows that we summarize is a long-standing tradition here, apodixis. Femme's summary was actually milder than is typical here (check out the excellent summaries in the other forums for examples). I thought she struck an excellent balance between trying to get all the information out that the Push-only folks on this site craved while at the same time entertaining those of us who often find the summaries more entertaining than the shows themselves.

Kudos, Femme. You did a kick-ass job with perhaps the most thankless and difficult summary to write. Thanks.

(Oh, and not to kiss up or anything, but I've seen Femme's pretty face. Pretty is a perfectly apt word, if perhaps an understatement.)


Criminals From the Neck Up


"RE: so much cynicism from such an otherwise intelligent girl."
Posted by Femme on 10-29-02 at 10:47 AM
Kiss away, dave...


Femme


"RE: so much cynicism from such an otherwise intelligent girl."
Posted by trigirl on 10-29-02 at 08:59 AM
Apodixis, I'm sorry that you feel we have been unduly critical of Scarlett Chorvatt. That's what we do here. We bash it, we love it, we discuss it to death. Femme's summary hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD for this episode. She got it absolutely right.

If we didn't at least like the show, we wouldn't still be watching. Tongues are planted firmly in cheek here at SB so just relax and join the fun.


"RE: so much cynicism from such an otherwise intelligent girl."
Posted by Femme on 10-29-02 at 10:46 AM
Thanks for your thoughts, apodixis, however off target they may be.

I only invested so much time in this show because I enjoyed it, and as for Mary, sure, she was hot, but a very terrible actress. I stand by that statement. But, to be fair, perhaps her acting was dead on with what the writers, producers, and directors wanted her to be. In that case, they all stink and she is a master.

>>oh, and by the way, why do girls always develop an inferiority complex when it comes to other (more attractive) women. scarlett chorvett did a fine job playing her role. just because you didn't like the character she played doesn't at all mean that she was a poor actress. and again, i must retort, if you could do any better i'm sure we would all be watching your pretty face on the screen, now wouldn't we? <<

You were doing fine up til this part. Lets not get ugly (pun fully intended) shall we?


Femme


"Welcome to the forum"
Posted by Bebo on 10-29-02 at 01:01 PM
Welcome to the Push Nevada forum, apodixis.

I'd just like to give you a little bit of information about the forums that are part of the Realitytv.com family.

- We invite posters to contribute episode summaries to the site. We'll "assign" an official one to make sure all shows are covered, as well as welcome any other submissions from posters.

- If you check out some of the other forums, you'll notice that some summaries are humorous takes on the shows, rather than strict to the letter summarizations. There may be bashing of shows and the characters therein. We welcome and encourage creativity here.

- We also welcome differences of opinion. If you disagree with something that someone says about a show, you are welcome to state that disagreement.

- However, we do not tolerate bashing of other posters. By all means, express a difference of opinion with something that someone says, but please don't make a direct attack on a poster when doing so.



"Bah humbug"
Posted by AyaK on 10-29-02 at 06:14 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-29-02 AT 06:16 PM (EST)

Femme, I'll write separately (but not today) about this great summary, but I just wanted to respond to this criticism from apodixis:

>however, my dear, your criticism lacks taste.

Tasteless? This summary? Sorry, but that comment is so off-base that it doesn't warrant a response. In fact, I thought that this summary was a very thoughtful review/bash of the final episode. You want tasteless, read this summary. Or go follow Ben Affleck's personal life. To say that this summary lacks taste doesn't speak well for your critical faculties.

>everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i agree, but if you could
>do any better i'm sure you would have your own show...and you don't now do you?

apodixis, you have just written a sentence that I think of as one of the dumbest recurring thoughts in the English language. Surely you can't believe it; you must just be parroting someone else's thoughts.

Obviously, there is no correlation between critical talent and original writing talent, although some people (for example, Mark Twain) have possessed both. If you want proof, watch "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls," written by Roger Ebert.

But, even on its own terms, this claim is ludicrous. As anyone who has ever had any involvement with show biz knows, stars run the system. Ben Affleck is a star. He hosted "Saturday Night Live." He dated Gwyneth Paltrow. He currently dates JLo. He starred in numerous succesful and semi-successful movies. And he won an Oscar for Best Screenplay for "Good Will Hunting."

So ... Disney could make a deal with Ben Affleck that gives him an ongoing relationship with the studio, which might carry over over into the pictures he chooses to participate in ... or they could make a deal with Femme, an unknown, who has a better idea for a show but doesn't bring in the fame or the personal relationships that Affleck does. Tell you what, if you think they'd pick Femme over Ben Affleck in that situation, well ... I own a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like you to take a look at and maybe bid on.

>i'll admit the last episode had a hint of cheese to
>it, and left a lot of loose ends, but what
>do you expect from a show that had to tie
>everything up six shows earlier then was expected? my hat
>goes off to everyone involved in this project.

Are you a relative?

>contrary to what the majority of viewers think, i thought the direction,
>writing, cinematography, and yes...acting, were all brilliant. and it's a
>damn shame that someone out there was stupid enough to
>think that a show of this genre, whose audience is
>limited to those few open-minded people left in the world
>who either enjoy a good whodoneit, or can just appreciate
>such an unconventional show, could compete with CSI, a show
>that has an established fan base of 30 million viewers.

Last year, many of us spent a lot of time bashing Disney over its scheduling of The Mole 2. As I noted from the beginning, Push, Nevada had been given a doomed time slot. Although I disagree with your assessment of the show's production values, I agree with you that it never had a chance in this time slot.

>oh, and by the way, why do girls always develop an
>inferiority complex when it comes to other (more attractive) women.
>scarlett chorvett did a fine job playing her role. just
>because you didn't like the character she played doesn't at
>all mean that she was a poor actress. and again,
>i must retort, if you could do any better i'm
>sure we would all be watching your pretty face on
>the screen, now wouldn't we?

Once again with the silly "if you could do better, you'd be there" slam. Please spend some more time in the real world, and you'd learn that life is not like that.

Having worked in Hollywood, I could tell you the amount of luck and perserverence required to succeed there, with talent only a secondary feature (unless, for a woman, the talent is sleeping with a powerful man -- ask Mariah Carey how that works and how quickly it can fall apart if you dump the guy). Looks are important (as, surprisingly, is height), but they aren't the be-all and end-all. Neither is talent.

Others have already commented on the foolishness of your characterization of Femme's looks based on her writing, and I have little more to add except that some of the most beautiful women that I've ever known have been some of the nastiest. As the saying goes, "beauty is only skin-deep."

apodixis, I hope you actually meet some other people and do some living, so that you have a chance to learn these things for yourself some day.

>just my thoughts.

Thanks for sharing them.


"RE: Bah humbug"
Posted by apodixis on 10-29-02 at 10:21 PM
first of all, you're an idiot. if you detest the show and production team so much then why do you bother watching? and secondly, my intention wasn't to "bash" anyone. i realize i'm at a strong disadvantage here because i'm not affiliated with your little clique of forum nerds. so i'm under the impression that no matter what i say at this point one of femme's little drones is going to retaliate with some type of obnoxious comment. you see, i, unlike the majority of you, do have a life and don't waste my time jumping from forum to forum desperately searching for the next show to critique. so friend, maybe you should take your own advice and "actually meet some other people and do some living" because i am not the one who is a regular here on the "i watch way too much tv" forum.

oh, and by the way just to clear something up...i didn't say that her summary was tastless, i simply said that she didn't have to be so cynical towards the people affiliated with the show (i.e. all the female actresses). whether it was done purposefully or not, it just bothers me when girls lash out at other females because they are jealous of their social standing, success, lifestyle, or whatever the case.

and before i leave you all, let me publicly apologize to the infamous femme for any inkling of self esteem i may have robbed you of by implying that you were "not attractive". i didn't realize that everyone on this site wanted to get into your pants so badly. you'll have to excuse me for not jumping on the bandwagon, but i, unlike these other fools, don't need a cpu to have a relationship with a female...i'm doing fine on my own, thanks. and as for your little retort about me being ugly, well done, it was below the belt but i suppose well deserved.

i hope this clears some things up. i know i feel better already.


"RE: Bah humbug"
Posted by Femme on 10-29-02 at 11:39 PM
>> i simply said that she didn't have to be so cynical towards the people affiliated with the show (i.e. all the female actresses). <<

No, I liked Grace.

But, really, forum nerds? Been called worse.

And, I see my pun missed its mark. Wasn't calling you ugly, dear, 'cause that's not how I play.

Hate to see you go so soon, but I suspect it's some kind of heinous crime to call AyaK an idiot. Bummer 'bout your short stay.


Femme


"huh?"
Posted by AyaK on 10-30-02 at 06:53 PM
>first of all, you're an idiot.

You're probably right, I am. Why? Because I expected that you'd respond with some substantive arguments of your own to answer mine from above. Judging by your response, I must be an idiot to expect that.

>if you detest the show and production team so much
>then why do you bother watching?

Like most of America, I watched the first episode, made a judgment about it, and tuned the show out. People like me are why this show got canceled.

>i realize i'm at a strong disadvantage here because i'm not
>affiliated with your little clique of forum nerds. so i'm
>under the impression that no matter what i say at
>this point one of femme's little drones is going to
>retaliate with some type of obnoxious comment. you see, i,
>unlike the majority of you, do have a life and
>don't waste my time jumping from forum to forum desperately
>searching for the next show to critique. so friend, maybe
>you should take your own advice and "actually meet some
>other people and do some living" because i am not
>the one who is a regular here on the "i watch way too much tv"
>forum.

For someone who is so disinterested and so definitely not a "forum nerd," you sure responded to me quickly enough -- it was only 4 hours after my post before you posted a reply. That doesn't look like you have much of a life, does it? What, were you just scanning the board in the hope that someone would actually pay attention to you? Or did you activate the "click here if you want to receive email when a new message is posted to this thread" option, so that you could get a little thrill every time someone posted?

Must be an exciting life that you have, apodixis. Gee, I wish mine were that thrilling. All I was doing during the time you were posting was legal research for some billionaire who's buying a sports team.

>oh, and by the way just to clear something up...i didn't
>say that her summary was tastless,

I don't know what "tastless" means. If you mean "tasteless," then I disagree: you did say it, even though you didn't use that word. Quoting you above, you said Femme's "criticism <of the show> lacks taste." Since the criticism was contained in the summary and was an integral part of it, the only conclusion is that the summary lacks taste. Let's see here: my dictionary defines tasteless as "lacking taste," "insipid," or "exhibiting poor taste." Thus, something that lacks taste is tasteless.

>i simply said that she didn't have to be so cynical towards the people
>affiliated with the show (i.e. all the female actresses). whether
>it was done purposefully or not, it just bothers
>me when girls lash out at other females because they
>are jealous of their social standing, success, lifestyle, or whatever
>the case.

I never knew that the reason I have been able to recruit summary writers on this board for two years was because "girls" (like Femme, an armed services veteran with two children) like to "lash out" because "they are jealous" of "other females." I thought they wrote these summaries for the same reason I do -- because these shows are so bad that they deserve to be mocked. Guess it's just men who have pure motives, while women act from jealousy. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the opposite sex with us men.

>and before i leave you all, let me publicly apologize to
>the infamous femme

I think you have the definition of "infamous" wrong. Since I already have my dictionary handy ... it defines "infamous" as "having an exceedingly bad reputation." "Reputation" is defined as "the general estimation in which a person is held by the public." Please re-read this thread and see which person on it is getting slammed by the public (hint: if you can't figure it out, look in the mirror).

>for any inkling of self esteem i may have robbed you of
>by implying that you were "not attractive". i didn't
>realize that everyone on this site wanted to get into
>your pants so badly.

Well, of the other people who replied to you, Bebo and trigirl are heterosexual women, so I don't think they have much interest in the activity you suggest. The only two other people who replied to you are SherpaDave and myself, who have authority for the summaries on this site. While I appreciate that the two of us are so important in your estimation that we qualify as "everybody", I think there are a few more people around here than that.

Note, though, that if you continue posting in this vein, there will soon be one less person posting on this site.

>you'll have to excuse me for not jumping on the bandwagon, but
>i, unlike these other fools, don't need a cpu to have a
>relationship with a female... i'm doing fine on my own, thanks.

I think most of us can visualize how well a guy who makes generalizations about how "girls" think is doing on that front. Thanks for the laughs.

>and as for your little retort about me being ugly, well done,
>it was below the belt but i suppose well deserved.

Is that what you thought she said? Please re-read her quote:

>>oh, and by the way, why do girls always develop an inferiority complex when it comes to other (more attractive) women. scarlett chorvett did a fine job playing her role. just because you didn't like the character she played doesn't at all mean that she was a poor actress. and again, i must retort, if you could do any better i'm sure we would all be watching your pretty face on the screen, now wouldn't we? <<

You were doing fine up til this part. Lets not get ugly (pun fully intended) shall we?

Um, under general principles of English composition, wouldn't you conclude that the "pun" she was referring to with her use of the word "ugly" was your characterization of her as less attractive? Well, maybe you wouldn't, but I think 99% of literate English-speakers would.

Wasn't interpreting the meaning of such references part of ninth-grade English?

>i hope this clears some things up. i know i feel better already.

I'm sure that it's been a relief to you to empty so much sludge from your brain onto this board.

(Does anyone else remember the "Madame Blitzman" skit on "Monster Chiller Horror Theatre" from the original SCTV?
Text and timing from “SCTV Guide”
0:13:26 Monster Chiller Horror Theatre: "Madame Blitzman"
'With Floyd Robertson (Joe Flaherty) as Count Floyd.' Tonight's thriller is "Madame Blitzman."
0:14:31 Movie: "Madame Blitzman" Part 1
As Madame Blitzman (Andrea Martin) receives an award from the Academy, she looks back on her career. She met her husband Milos (Harold Ramis) at one of his lectures, where his theories weren't received very well. They married and worked as a team.
0:19:53 PSA: Recriminalize Marijuana
A lawyer (Ted Gordon) has trouble with his case.
0:20:41 Commercial: Venerable Electric
VE research goes on. 'Our main concern is power.'
0:21:28 Monster Chiller Horror Theater: Madame Blitzman Part 2
Milos becomes increasingly irrational and is disavowed by the Academy. Madame Blitzman works to cure her husband, but her discovery that his headaches and bizarre behavior are caused by brain sludge comes too late. Floyd apologizes for the film, and promises a better one next week.
)

I hope that posting here has relieved your headaches for now, apodixis.


"RE: Bah humbug"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 11-10-02 at 04:27 AM
Are you sure you didn't mean to name yourself "apoplexy"?

I'll just sum it up for you. You're an idiot if you think you can just waltz in here and provide harsh criticisms of people like Femme and AyaK without taking the time to know how this site works. Calling AyaK an idiot...

Your name (in real life) wouldn't happen to be Scarlet Chorvat? Enjoy your sad, non-nerd life away from this place.

Femme... I enjoyed your summary very much and liked how you had the 'explanations' in red text intermixed in -- and kudos for wading through piles of crap to neatly summarize it all.



"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by Ra_8secs on 10-29-02 at 10:50 AM
Beautiful windup, Femme.

Never have so few watched and spun words for so many's defense. Sorry, getting Churchillian.

I may engage myself to look at clue summaries. but it's probably too late already. Alas, Munich is fun, but then you get a stein-full fisted hangover.

-- Ra, Spinning in geo/helio eccentric orbit


"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by Bert on 10-29-02 at 11:19 AM
Femme,

Wow Wow Wow Wow Wowww!!!!!!!!!

After watching the final episode of Push, I was just about as dissappointed as I was at the finale of Murder in Small Town X. But now, you've revived my liking in the show. As much as abc should have mentioned it on the air...

One last time... KUDOS TO FEMME!!!!!!!


-dancing in appreciation for Femme's hard work.


"Beyond Awesome!"
Posted by Lisapooh on 10-31-02 at 01:51 PM
Femme this was so great!

From one unattractive, insecure, jealous forum nerd to another - you kick such serious and complete ass!

A woo and a hoo to you!


"RE: Beyond Awesome!"
Posted by Asrai on 10-31-02 at 04:33 PM
Pooh, I would like to totally steal your line. Please don't get all 'ugly' and throw your 'jealousy' around, because you might make me 'feel bad' about myself! Heehee!

Really, Femme...I'm proud to call you sis! You rock! Ayak did a great job by asking you to be our mystery writer. You actually made some sort of sense to Push.


--Not one of the 'infamous' 4 Push viewers!


"RE: Fantastic! "
Posted by buckeyegirl on 10-31-02 at 11:39 PM
Femme-
Fantastic job on the summary! One of my favortie lines is:
And, of course, just our luck: she survived the gunshot wound. God help us, if there's ever a sequel to this show, she could be a returning character.

-I shudder at the thought!


"Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead



"RE: ***Push, Nevada Official Finale Summary***"
Posted by katem on 11-03-02 at 07:09 PM

>I feel so used. I never
>agreed to all this extra
>credit. I just wanted a
>quirky little show with a
>square lead guy to develop
>a crush on, a weird
>log-lady to contemplate and lots
>of bizarre camera angles and
>stuff. Damn you Ben Affleck
>and Matt Damon. Damn you
>all to hell. (Good thing
>you're both so darn cute...
>that'll make forgiving you so
>much easier.)

Don't forgive them Femme. Especially that idiot Damon. Give all hell for this mess called Push.

Loved the summary. I was really confused.

Femme rocks


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