LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 12:54 PM (EST)

There are lots of new vidcaps up at TDT:

http://www.truedorktimes.com/s6/spoilers/mtv1.htm
http://www.truedorktimes.com/s6/spoilers/mtv2.htm

Most of these vidcaps comfirm what we have already speculated about EP1, but there are several interesting new vidcaps apparently showing the EP2 Challenge, as we originally speculated from this vidcap:

And now for the rest of the story…

Notice Joanna’s aqua patterned top…

I’ve come to some conclusions, but am anxious to hear from our other resident spoilers and vidcap specialists to see what you think…

Krautboy

• RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,jkokoj, 01:09 PM, 02-07-03
  • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Krautboy, 03:42 PM, 02-07-03
• RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Brownroach, 01:23 PM, 02-07-03
  • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Krautboy, 02:12 PM, 02-07-03
    • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,jkokoj, 02:22 PM, 02-07-03
    • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Brownroach, 03:20 PM, 02-07-03
      • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,jkokoj, 03:46 PM, 02-07-03
        • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Q, 04:00 PM, 02-07-03
          • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Brownroach, 04:35 PM, 02-07-03
            • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,tribephyl, 06:52 PM, 02-07-03
              • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Brownroach, 07:14 PM, 02-07-03
          • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,KLicK, 07:47 AM, 02-08-03
        • ChillOne still valid?,Krautboy, 04:18 PM, 02-07-03
  • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,tribephyl, 05:46 PM, 02-07-03
    • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Brownroach, 07:39 PM, 02-07-03
    • RE: EP2 Vidcaps?,Krautboy, 07:43 PM, 02-07-03
• Daniel goes, not Ryan.,rwj3eb, 07:35 PM, 02-11-03
  • RE: Daniel goes, not Ryan.,Krautboy, 07:54 PM, 02-11-03

I only get a count of 7 women. It looks like Janet may be missing.

jkokoj: In case I forgot to mention it, good catch on noticing Janet missing form the shot! I was focused on the point Brownroach made about the multiple challenges, in my response...even if I forget to mention it sometimes, I always appreciate your insightfulness!

We still have lots of time to figure out if this challenge occurs in EP2 or beyond, so keep your eyes open for other shots of Joanna with the aqua top and Daniels bright blue shorts... the context in which we find them will help us place these as well.

Krautboy

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 01:37 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 01:25 PM (EST)

I'm sure you've already noted this, Kb, but -- this is not the Where's Ryan? huddle challenge, as the clothing on several of the men, as well as Jenna, don't match.

I checked the clothing list and none of the men are yet identified as having neon blue shorts, but I do think this person is Daniel from his build.

And I don't see Janet either. "Where's Ryan" challenge may be Ep 2 but this looks like Ep 3, with 7 left on each tribe. Janet goes in Ep 2?

Brownroach: You've hit on the key issue: Where's Janet?

We have now seen vidcaps from three different challenges. If this new challenge is from the EP2 RC then Janet is either cropped out of these shots because she is lagging behind or she may be sitting out because the men will be down to 7 in EP2.

If this challenge is from EP3, we would have to conclude she was voted out in EP2.

So, which is it?

Krautboy

Where are my props KB????

If this EP2 I would say Janet is sitting out. However, since the premier is 90 mins will they show more than one challenge? It seems that we have been shown 3 different challenges. From other information I want to guess that Janet is just sitting out the challenge. I believe the men will be the first 2 to TC.

But we also have the other TC pic thread from webby. It is hard to conclude if it is the men or the women. I would think that would be 2 or 3 TC since the people are carrying lit torches.

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 03:21 PM (EST)

Yeah, Kb -- I was agreeing with jkokoj when I said "And I don't see Janet either" -- give credit where due!

These look like arrival shots, though. (I keep hearing the pre-rumble music from West Side Story when I look at these: "Tam-ba-qui's gonna have its way, to-ni-i-iiiight / Jaburu's gonna make 'em pay, to-ni-i-iiight...")

Janet would have to show up even if she were gonna sit out, so I don't think we can infer a sit-out from this. And she'd have to be pretty far away from them if she were cropped out of the frame. Not really liking that theory either.

thanks brownie!

I agree with your reasoning regarding Janet sitting out. So we may have the first boot for the women. Also, wouldn't this make the chillone spoilers incorrect.

If Janet is gone, then the comment on Jeffy's latest interview about asking the men about hot chicks and the women about hot guys may be insightful. He got to ask them that very early, both groups that is, before they got to intermingle very much either in challenges or due to a merge/switch?

But since my spoiling abilities pale in comparison to you guys, I may be way off base?

It is astonishing how foolish humans can be in groups, especially when they follow their leaders without question - States: The Bene Gesserit View. All States Are an Abstraction.

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 04:43 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 04:37 PM (EST)

>>I may be way off base?<<

Not at all, Q, I was just thinking about this too. From the same article:

>>For one immunity challenge, the men and women asked each other questions. And that led to flirting.<<

I wonder if these caps are from that challenge. From the Jiffy/Joanna cap, it looks like a mental challenge -- do the cross-tribe questions form the basis of the challenge?

Not sure what it means, but in the last cap, Rob and Daniel have the same kind of containers that Jeanne has hanging from her neck in Cap 3 (and Joanna has one at her left side in Cap 1). They must have been instructed to bring these with them.

**Edited because I misidentified Jeanne.

Not sure what it means, but in the last cap, Rob and Daniel have the same kind of containers that Jeanne has hanging from her neck in Cap 3 (and Joanna has one at her left side in Cap 1). They must have been instructed to bring these with them.

these are water canteens, everyone has one.

Here's a shot of the men filling their canteens from one of the water jugs. It's doubtful that the canteens are needed to participate in a challenge, but just to keep everyone hydrated.

What intrigues me is these pic's of the men's tribe. All of them have a machete!


8 machetes per team, MB? Wow! A LI'L OVERKILL!!

tribephyl

LAST EDITED ON 02-07-03 AT 07:57 PM (EST)

>>these are water canteens, everyone has one.<<

Yes, thanks, tribephyl, I eventually figured it out from the Jeanne in the boat pic. It just seemed weird to have a close-up of it though, as if it were significant to the challenge.

*edited to transplant some content to another thread

How's this for a wild speculation?

Jeff Probst has made two comments about someone quitting the game, most recently in this article:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/tv_and_...172667700.html

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"The first four to seven days are the toughest for them. I worry that somebody will want to quit," Probst said.

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What if after the Ryan boot and the "Storm" and possibly an involvement in the food fight (from teaser) Janet has had enough. The footage we see is the trek to RC (no one is carrying the immunity idol) and Janet has broken one of the Survivor rules and refuses to attend. The girls look pretty down.

The RC is done as planned. The IC is canceled since Janet is out. The IC is replaced with the "dating game" question and answer for entertainment value.

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For one immunity challenge, the men and women asked each other questions.And that led to flirting.
Men would compliment women on their bikinis, and they would
thank them for the compliments. "I became (game show host) Jim Lange for a moment, and it was 'The Dating Game,' " Probst said. "At the next tribal council, I would ask, 'What do you think of this guy?' The women would say,
'This guy is cute.' The guys would disagree over who the hottest
chick was."
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???

jkokoj: I believe the ChillOne is legitimate. I also believe his information is only as accurate as the memory of his source. It's very possible that the source remembered general information and merely identified the first 4 boots, but wasn't clear on the order.

Even if the boot order is Ryan, Janet, Daniel and Joanne, we would be foolish not to carefully re-read ChillOne's posts...

Q; You make a very good observation about JP's TC comments...it's obvious that both tribes go to TC before the merge and before too many of the hotties are voted out, but I'm not sure we can read much more into his comments than that...

Krautboy

I checked the clothing list and none of the men are yet identified as having neon blue shorts, but I do think this person is Daniel from his build.

we will need to add bright blue shorts to both Alex and Ryan/Daniel's clothing list.

NOt quite sure which one's fit better, with this pic, but...

tribephyl

Tribephyl, I'll update the list.

Actually I think these are their swim trunks; the waists look elastic. We'll have to add swim trunks for all of them eventually.

Looks like everyone has blue shorts!?

The bow-legged body is much more Daniels body type than any of the others...so, Ryan is still missing from all of the EP2 challenges...

Krautboy

the top picture of the men looks like Ryan much more than Daniel. I think Daniel goes 1st, not Ryan.

This picture shows more clearly that it is Daniel, rather than Ryan...

Krautboy