............spoiler....wed night..............and the final four are

Mary, Kelly Jo, Meredith and Estella

• RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Sophie, 11:18 PM, 10-22-03
• RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Chrissy gal, 01:10 AM, 10-23-03
• Wow!,Guppin1234, 02:55 AM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Wow!,LeftPinky, 01:48 PM, 10-23-03
    • Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,Guppin1234, 01:36 AM, 10-24-03
      • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,girlie78, 10:39 PM, 10-24-03
        • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,Guppin1234, 05:22 AM, 10-25-03
          • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,weddinman, 02:40 PM, 10-26-03
            • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,girlie78, 08:20 PM, 10-27-03
              • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,weddinman, 00:13 AM, 10-28-03
                • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,Chrissy gal, 00:28 AM, 10-28-03
                • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,sorgee, 07:32 AM, 10-28-03
                • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,girlie78, 06:27 AM, 10-29-03
      • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,xenagurl, 08:25 PM, 10-29-03
        • RE: Seems like schools are pretty careful though....,Chrissy gal, 09:36 PM, 10-29-03
• RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,smiley, 08:03 AM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Breezy, 08:31 AM, 10-23-03
    • Reunion Show,anninvt2002, 09:31 AM, 10-23-03
      • RE: Reunion Show,jkokoj, 10:30 AM, 10-23-03
      • RE: Reunion Show,Guppin1234, 01:53 AM, 10-24-03
      • RE: Reunion Show,weddinman, 02:45 PM, 10-26-03
        • RE: Reunion Show,Guppin1234, 05:02 PM, 10-26-03
          • RE: Reunion Show,weddinman, 05:28 PM, 10-26-03
            • Stud Nuthin!,Chrissy gal, 10:16 PM, 10-26-03
              • RE: Stud Nuthin!,Guppin1234, 03:25 PM, 10-27-03
            • RE: Reunion Show,Guppin1234, 03:21 PM, 10-27-03
    • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Guppin1234, 01:49 AM, 10-24-03
      • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,triednottowatch, 10:10 AM, 10-24-03
        • Ouuch!,Guppin1234, 03:37 PM, 10-24-03
      • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,chichi, 09:55 AM, 10-25-03
        • I'm gonna get a spankin' butt...,Guppin1234, 05:51 PM, 10-25-03
  • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,sherry555, 09:43 AM, 10-23-03
• RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Spidey, 09:40 AM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Guppin1234, 01:57 AM, 10-24-03
    • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,chichi, 10:03 AM, 10-25-03
      • The talk...,Guppin1234, 06:06 PM, 10-25-03
  • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,chichi, 10:08 AM, 10-25-03
• I missed it!,weltek, 10:07 AM, 10-23-03
  • RE: I missed it!,smiley, 11:08 AM, 10-23-03
    • RE: I missed it!,weltek, 01:44 PM, 10-23-03
• RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,Siren, 11:19 AM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone....,RealityAddict, 11:43 AM, 10-23-03
• Answered Prayers,CSHS79, 12:45 PM, 10-23-03
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    • RE: Answered Prayers,LeftPinky, 01:53 PM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Answered Prayers,All4RTV, 09:32 PM, 10-25-03
    • RE: Answered Prayers,Tiggertramp, 05:21 PM, 10-27-03
      • RE: Answered Prayers,Chrissy gal, 05:24 PM, 10-27-03
• Classic!,Nanook, 04:36 PM, 10-23-03
  • RE: Classic!,escapedude, 00:32 AM, 10-24-03
    • RE: Classic!,Chrissy gal, 00:42 AM, 10-24-03
      • RE: Classic!,Guppin1234, 02:11 AM, 10-24-03
    • RE: Classic!,Guppin1234, 02:07 AM, 10-24-03
  • RE: Classic!,Guppin1234, 02:03 AM, 10-24-03

Yay! I'm so happy with his decision tonight! My Mom and I cheered out loud when he said Meredith instead of LeeAnne. Can you believe she doesn't "know what happened"? LOL!

>>Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone...
............spoiler....<<

I think everyone knew what you meant by the thread title!

It is a great day in Bachelorville, LeeAnn has left the building.

Chrissy gal

"Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr

Kelly Jo compared LeAnne to Sybil!

Meredith was grating on my nerves tonight. Brooke has never had sex - interesting. None of them have had one night stands, or at least admitted to it.

Anybody else think Jaime has a thing for Mary?

- Happy Holidays All!

Did you see the way LeAnne was looking at Bob during the rose ceremony? First it was like "we have a secret and you know I'll be one of the last two standing" and then it was "I'll kill you if you don't pick me, you b*stard!"

She walks away and says, "I'm a catch." That ego must go! Far, far away...

"I'm a catch??????" Right! And when your school dumps you as all of the parents couldn't stand to see your wonderful self all over TV, then what will you have???

I hope we've seen the end of the LeeAnn show!

I've heard that teachers fresh out of college have to do so much time as a teacher's aid, then they are phased more and more into time alone with the class until the rookie teachers are deemed ready to have a class of their own (anyone with kids knows how easy it is to loose control of just one or two kids, let alone a whole class full) - so they really have to be ready. LeAnne must be doing something right, she's probably just not a 'fun' teacher like some, more into the military style etc.

Anybody more sure on the teaching protocol than I am?

Definitely too much information for the parents though. It's just hard to see the people you deal with day to day in circumstances you wouldn't normally see them in. Like, if you saw your gynecologist doing underwear ads in the Target circular for extra money, or your dentist doing the disco thing all wired and drunk.

I am a teacher and I've never heard of college grads having to be aides. When we are still in college, during the last year, there is a student teaching part where you are slowly phased in to time alone with the kids. But once you graduate and get your certification you are qualified to teach in your own classroom. I've never known of a certified teacher with a degree having to be an aide.

Time as an aide might have done wonders for Lee-Ann, though.

Thanks. I didn't know they were ready right out of the shoot. Interesting.

Can you imagine LeeAnn teaching 2nd grade? She may be so sick that she tries to see how many of those little boys she can turn on!

So glad she's gone!

>Can you imagine LeeAnn teaching 2nd
>grade? She may be
>so sick that she tries
>to see how many of
>those little boys she can
>turn on!
>
>So glad she's gone!

Yes, I can imagine Lee-Ann teaching 2nd grade because I witnessed it for myself. And I think that was a tasteless comment about her trying to turn little boys on. I can say from experience around her that she is not my favorite person in the world by any means, but she is not a twisted, demented person in that way at all. That comment was just a really low blow.

>That comment was just a
>really low blow.

Awwww .. I'm sorry. ....

NO I'M NOT! She's a public figure now. She behaved like a dammm'd jenny (female donkey) on a TV series .. and she was playing herself, not acting a part. So ......

BTW, how come all of a sudden you personally know her? You didn't mention that before!!!!! I smell a rat here.

weddinman, I just wanted to let you know that girlie78 has mentioned several times that she knows LeeAnn, and we haven't had any reason to doubt her. She has also bashed LeeAnn as much as the rest of us.

girlie78 is a teacher at a school where LeeAnn worked. I think it was just the "see how many of those little boys she can turn on" part of your post that she didn't like.

Chrissy gal

"Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr

weddinman-
you're pretty new around here, so here's some advice, read and reread before you post. doing so will keep you from making false assumptions about people. you are, in fact, are incorrect in your statements about girlie78. you should never question another posters credibility without solid reasoning.(advice over)
i, too, feel that your comments about leeann turning on little boys is a bit out of line. i don't think that leeann did anything on the show to even remotely indicate she would be trying to do what you suggested. can you provide any proof? i would be interested to know of any statements that leeann had made that maybe i missed. i do try to watch the whole show, but sometimes i miss things during fits of laughter...

>
>BTW, how come all of a
>sudden you personally know her?
> You didn't mention that
>before!!!!! I smell
>a rat here.

If you had read any of my previous posts, I've explained that I do know her personally. She worked at my school last year before she left for The Bachelor. So, you don't smell any kind of rat here.

I will be one of the first people to say that I don't like Lee-Ann. So the fact that you don't like her and were putting her down does not bother me at all. But, just because someone acts b*tchy or spoiled on TV, that doesn't make them a child molester. She isn't twisted like that. That is what bothered me about your post.

In my state (Indiana) we student teach the last semester of college. After graduation, if you find a job, you are a full time teacher. You are on probationary license for two years, but you are paid as a full time regular teacher with all the duties of a normal teacher. If Lee Anne was at my school or any of the schools in our area, she would not have made it past the probationary license status even for being on the show...we have a very conservative corporation. I have a friend that was fired from her teaching job after being spotted at a local bar having dinner and a drink with a friend. I think she gave teachers a bad name since we are already all accused of pursing our MRS. degrees while in college anyway.

Hi Xenagurl,

I don't think LeeAnn gives teachers a bad name. LeeAnn represented herself on the Bachelor, not teachers.

LeeAnn is bad enough though that I think even lawyers are glad she isn't one of them!

Chrissy gal

"Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr

**In LeeAnn's whiney voice**

"If one of those girls said something bad about me to Bob and he made his decision on that...well grow up Bob. I'm a catch and you would be lucky to get a girl like me"

Whatever LeeAnn LOL. Bob realized how much of a psycho you were and dropped you like a hot potato so give it up.

She is so insecure and nasty because of it. I think she totally believes that one of the girls told Bob something about her and that's why he didn't give her a rose. She's so clueless as to how she appears to others.

WOW.....after her comments last night, I am thinking the reunion show might be better then the finale!! Wait until she lets loose on the girls and they rip into her...SHould be good!

Blech LeeAnn's ego is too much! I cannot wait to see the reunion show. That girl needs put in her place.

Should be interesting. If she can just keep calm, she may come across with a tiny bit of credibility, then it will just depend on what she has to say, and so far, she doesn't have much to say in her defense.

"I didn't come here to share Bob with 10 other girls!" (huh?)
"This isn't what I signed up for!" (what?)
"I wasn't talking to you Jenny...." (when it was open discussion)
"No, Bob, I really don't think you did" (he was in your position before you were in your position, so don't say he's not)

etc, blah, blah, blah!

>WOW.....after her comments last night, I
>am thinking the reunion show
>might be better then the
>finale!! Wait until she lets
>loose on the girls and
>they rip into her...SHould be
>good!

YEAAAAHHHHHHHHH! I'd like to see Mary pull her hair!

"YEAAAAHHHHHHHHH! I'd like to see Mary pull her hair!"

You must in touch with your feminine side. Good observations on PTTE - I like Mary too, so much, that she'd be better with Jamie!

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>You must in touch with your
>feminine side.

LMDO .. I just love to watch great cat fights. Women get so pious about the violent nature of men .. it's hilarious to watch them be exposed for the hypocrites they are when they begin fighting over a stud nuthin!

Maybe Bob will marry Kelly Jo and they can own a whole town instead of just trying to own the room!!!!!!!

"stud nuthin!"

Good name for the guys who go on these shows! I have yet to find one who seems to be worth all the attention they are getting. (I really had high hopes for Bob, but now I find him very disappointing)

Chrissy gal

"Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr

And we probably never will. The whole premise, being on camera the whole time, and all the hype just sucks all of the life out of a normally complex situation.

The next time you go grocery shopping, go in your bikini. All those stares must be what it feels like to be watched so much by those RTV cameras.

And before you go, let us know so we can shop on that day too!

Stud nuthin' - good one. I'll have to remember that.

"Maybe Bob....own the room" - too funny.

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If her parents are to blame for her ego, they are totally irresponsible. I've been trying to think of a match for LeAnne, and I can't.

I'm thinking:
1. Someone else with a big ego?
2. Someone domineering?
3. Someone passive?
4. Someone from the 60s?

I dunno - give up. I can't tell what she needs. Any psych docs talking tonight who have any ideas? She's like a puzzle for me.

I've got the perfect match for LeeAnn:

IKE TURNER

Hey, wait a minute. THAT'S IT ! They could have their own show. Who would you hate the most? Got to go. Gotta get my pitch together for the producers.

How about military school?

ok GUP:

Not a psychiatrist but here it goes, Leeann is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia with borderline personality disorder of the narcissism type. do you think that fits the bill?

ot is she just a spoiled brat??

Sometimes I like to challenge myself when I 'meet' someone like LeAnne, I try to figure out why they are like 'that' - also, it's a challenge to try to find something constructive to say.

I suppose there may be milder forms of schizophrenia, but true schizophrenics cannot maintain, ie talking to someone who is not there in public, constantly out of the spectrum of what most of us call reality - so I'm not convinced she meets the requirements.

Borderline personality, perhaps. Nothing is ever quite enough for LeAnne, however she may be pleasantly surprised when she sees the whole show or become more defensive - the reunion show should be interesting.

She's definitely selfish - only thinking of herself until it was convenient for her to make a show of effort at the bitter end there. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt at the time of her HTH with the girls, but then it was clear that her efforts were merely out of convenience when she so quickly reverted back to her b!tchy self.

Spoiled brat? Yes. I do believe she's a by product of bad parenting. When you have an infection, a phagocyte will eat the bad cells and the by product is pus. LeAnne was the pus of the show.

To play Devil's advocate, it's so easy to bash someone, but it can be excruciatingly difficult to give praise even to the substantially less abrasive types in this world. So with that...

Here's a challenge: Give LeAnne a compliment in this thread.

LAST EDITED ON 10-24-03 AT 09:57 AM (EST)

I an Sooooo happy to see the megab!tch LeeAnn gone!!

Ditto on the cheering out loud when Bob said Meredith instead of Leanne. Man, they tried some redemption on Leanne last night. It almost worked too. For a second I actually believed she wasn't a total b!tch and had just had a hard time with the whole process. Then she make her final remarks and the universe was once again in order.

What a stuck up little wench. Bob would be lucky to have you? He'd only be lucky to have you at least 500 miles away from him at all times. Ugh.

I know, I was taken aback a little when she initiated a talk with the other girls, and she actually seemed sincere. I thought, Wow, some redeeming qualities, and then it didn't take long for her to revert back.

I think she has trouble not giving in to her insecure feelings and dealing with threatening situations with more dignity and grace - it's a learned skill that takes much practice. She's an easy mark to let her emotions override her rational thought - and just about everyone has been there at least once.

Then again, most of us would never willingly be on a show like that anyway.

hey Guppin,

you make so many good points. i was curious when Leeann initiated "THE TALK" with the rest of the girls. then she turned on the phoney crocodile tears andit was plain that she was just being manipulating.

and the great thing is, none the the others bought it. i was so glad that Kelly-jo could see right through her!

LAST EDITED ON 10-25-03 AT 06:10 PM (EST)

It's difficult to try to defend someone like Leanne, and she could have been going in one of two ways....

If she was simply employing manipulative behavior, then she absolutely deserved the cold indifference she received from the other girls, and we could all see that later than day, it really didn't make much difference in how they got along. I hope she wakes up and uses this little exercise as a wake up call. She can't expect much in the way of behavior modification from girls (and Bob) that she's only known for five minutes, but I have a feeling that this theme permeates her life, and she probably doesn't even know why.

That's an indicator of how good of a teacher she is, or isn't, because she should understand human behavior, and these shows can reduce adults back to the second grade in seconds flat. She should be able to recognize the correlations and rise above them.

On the other hand, if LeAnne was truly trying to make an effort to make amends, and she recognized the indifference at the time of her 'vocal post' - then that's a good sign, but what is she going to do with what she learned in class that day?

If LeAnne continues to make an effort while changing her behavior for the better and still meets with the caddy b!tches from hell that suddenly becomes unfounded (future tense here), she's not going to understand why she can't start over and rightly so. In that case, would she just move to another town and start over? But it will be extremely difficult for her to start over because she was foolish enough to go on TB.

So let's say that she's completely out of b!tch rehab, and she's as sweet as Mary now (talking future tense here), but still cannot form positive social relationships - she's probably just going to revert back to her old self - no motivation.

It's like the Brady Bunch, Maureen McCormick will always be Marsha, and her career died after that show ended. And LeAnne will always be 'perceived' as Bachelor Bob's LeAnne regardless of how rehabbed she is.

Thinking too much, I guess. What do ya think?

Saw the Scarlette Letter with Demi Moore not too long ago, this kinda reminds me of that. Either that or Taming of the Shrew!

Okay Bob,
if I can't have you,
then no one will! - LeAnne

i agree with you spidey,

Bob , quick! get a restraining order!!

The in-laws came to visit and I forgot to tape it! Talk about a lousy episode to miss! Argh!

I'll be happy if Bob picks any of the final four now. As long as LeeAnn is gone, I can sleep a little better at night.

Look out for the bachelor xyz on ABC Family Channel. They are sure to replay the episode before next wednesday.

Good idea-thanks Smiley!!!

Annivt2002 is reading my mind today!

"Ding, Dong the Witch is Gone" were the exact words that popped in my mind last night after Bob said "Meredith" for the last of the final four.

The second thing that popped in my head was how much I'm looking forward to the reunion show.

I can't wait to see if that idiot LeeAnn is still delusional about what a great catch she is and that the only way she could have been eliminated was through sabotage by another bachlorette. Hopefully Bob will put her in her place a'la Trista with Stalker Russ, but I don't see him making the kind of comments we would all wish for.

...Siren
Bachelor Bob's just too nice.

>I can't wait to see if
>that idiot LeeAnn is still
>delusional about what a great
>catch she is and that
>the only way she could
>have been eliminated was through
>sabotage by another bachlorette.
>Hopefully Bob will put her
>in her place a'la Trista
>with Stalker Russ, but I
>don't see him making the
>kind of comments we would
>all wish for.

You know that at the reunion show Lee Ann will still be in "LEE ANN LAND" and think that the ONLY reason she was cut was due to some other girl being jealous of her and spreading lies to Bob (or BOBBY, as she calls him). Didn't you just LOVE the conversation between Russ and Trista at the reunion show? It would be great for Bob to tell Lee Ann that she is just plain Cu-Ra-Zee!

All during the rose ceremony I was saying "I hope he gets rid of Lee*itch, as long as he gets rid of Lee*itch" and he did.As nice as the remaining 3 are, I'm rooting for Kelly Jo to be his final choice as well as duet partner on his next cd.

Count me in as those cheering out loud when she didn't get a rose. Can we say foreshadowing when they showed the confesional of LeeAnn saying "I am getting a Rose."? The only one who annoys me right now is Estella...there was just something about her voice that grated on my last nerve!

I lvoe my Phoenix Mons Creation
~wants Kelly Jo in the final 3