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"So who cares wins?"
Posted by Estee on 05-18-12 at 06:39 AM
Looking at the non-singing elements which might go into the final vote (because this is not and pretty much never has been a singing competition), we get:

Phillip: Won the last four times he was in this, so why not now? Has the show's most powerful and consistent voting element in his corner. (Not that the frau ever buy anything, but my, can they vote for free.) May have been budding up to Joshua in a season-long strategy to pick up those votes after his rival left. Has the Worsters behind him. Southern elements, small degree of country, and (just to remind you again) is a White Guy With Guitar.

Jessica: Is getting a large number of show-illegal votes from the Philippines as the residents there figure out how to fake US web addresses and phone numbers. Gets the benefit of any Girl Power votes (although realistically, most of the girls are voting for Phillip). If you like ballad after ballad after ballad after ballad after the closing credits, this is your contestant. And most importantly, the show is so desperate for a female winner twinned with the storyline of 'was eliminated, then won anyway' that actually counting votes may be off the board.

In a fair tally, I think the frau prevail and launch another one-year career.

I have no faith in getting a fair tally.

...after ballad after ballad after really boring ballad...

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"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by Belle Book on 05-18-12 at 09:01 AM
Hey, Jessica doesn't only sing ballads -- though she's best with them, I admit.

And I'm a major fan of Jessica's, so I want her to win! And I'll be voting my heart out next week so she can win!


"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by csnumber23 on 05-18-12 at 03:34 PM
Not a fan of Jessica at all. Too much screeching-screaming for my ears.
"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by Belle Book on 05-18-12 at 07:14 PM
Funny -- I don't think Jessica is that much of a screamer. Now Joshua, on the other hand, he's a real screamer!


"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by SpotTheDiffference on 05-18-12 at 01:06 PM
The Philippines is currently desperate for an AI winner that it can call its own. My Facebook friends list, for example, is currently divided into two solid camps--those who don't watch AI, and those who post this kind of messages:

PHL: You can vote for Jessica Sanchez via Skype! Change Country to US (12nn-3pm) Call: +1-866-436-5702 +1-866-436-5705 +1-866-436-5708

If anything, she already has a career here in the Philippines, much like other Filipino-American AI alumni (seriously, who remembers Clint Jun Gamboa? Jordan Segundo?).

I have no idea if Jessica was brought up with a Filipino background. I don't even know if she speaks a word of the native language. However, she reminds me so much of the stereotypical Filipino diva: a screamer-belter who is stiff and calculated in her movements.

I will not be happy if she wins, just because I know about the possible amount of cheat votes that went her way, especially after the "save" episode. Around 90% of other Filipino viewers though will likely be picketing in front of my house if they read this post and find out where I live.

"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by Estee on 05-18-12 at 01:30 PM
I remember Clint, mostly because some of the side shots made him look like a giant praying mantis.

I haven't been watching the show enough to know how Jessica was raised (if it was even brought up), although the Worsters feel the Philippines are backing the wrong cultural horse. I do feel she comes across as a little too practiced in everything, as if her entire life up to this point was one extended rehearsal. It's annoying. We've seen the mask, thanks: is there anyone behind it?

The Worsters also claim Nigel has acknowledged the international cheating, but a quick search didn't turn that up. I did find he tweeted Joshua was his favorite of the season, the Philippines president giving Jessica the seal of Vote For Her Now Damnit approval, and lots of those Facebook postings. I also found next week's triad theme: each contestant will perform their 'first single' (no word on originality), their favorite song of the season, and a pick from Simon Fuller.

Oh, and as long as I'm posting: David Cook? Just released by RCA. Do any frau have money?

"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by Snidget on 05-18-12 at 01:40 PM
Well Nigel retweets a lot of stuff including people tweeting him about the illegal overseas voting.

@dizzyfeet Why is AI allowing illegal votes from Asian countries?
Retweeted by Nigel Lythgoe

About all we get of Jessica's upbringing is she's been home schooled, probably to allow for more diva practice time than she'd get if she was made to spend time in school.

"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by SpotTheDiffference on 05-18-12 at 02:00 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-18-12 AT 02:00 PM (EST)

Is AI allowing online votes this season? I didn't really watch this season, I just know about the cheating from Facebook.

A number of people have been posting instructions on how to download and use proxy-finding software so that they can exploit the online voting (i.e., find a proxy, vote the maximum number of times, switch proxies, rinse and repeat).

Even if Jessica legitimately wins this season, her victory will be tainted by the blatant cheating that's going on. I just hope that people realize that she'll actually be better off losing rather than winning.

"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by Snidget on 05-18-12 at 02:05 PM
From the AI website

http://www.americanidol.com/faq/

Online Voting is available to Facebook account holders. Simply go to www.AmericanIdol.com and follow the links to vote. Vote online at the end of each performance show. Online voting closes 2 hours after the Hawaii broadcast of a performance show. During the vote window, you will see a ‘vote’ button.

They do acknowledge you can vote with Skype or VOIP in the FAQ as well, but that the vote will be in the window where that originates from which may not be the time zone you are physically in.

Some people use this to get extra votes in, vote online, vote home phone/cell phone for the 2 hours then get on Skype for that voting window in the other time zone.

"RE: So who cares wins?"
Posted by csnumber23 on 05-18-12 at 03:40 PM
I don't think they are going to count votes either. They planned it out with the bs save week. They want a female winner and the story of the save to try and top X-Factor. I mean are really supposed to believe Jessica was eliminated that week but hasn't been in danger even once any other week and is now in the final. I think the winner next week will be Jessica. do I think it should be Jessica, no. In my opinion she should have been gone weeks ago.
"RE: So who cares dies?"
Posted by Snidget on 05-18-12 at 06:48 PM
Who knew AI might be the first death on camera?

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/18/american-idol-phillip-phillips-needs-surgery/

"RE: So who cares dies?"
Posted by Belle Book on 05-18-12 at 07:17 PM
Yikes! I may be no real fan of Phillip's singing style, but I hope he can push through the pain long enough to have surgery right after the finale! Poor guy!


"Rerun."
Posted by Estee on 05-18-12 at 11:22 PM
I've seen this show before. The last time around, it was called The Will Haley Come Back Mystery and as it turned out, no one did it.

My first question on this kind of story is always 'Who benefits?' AI releases stories to suit themselves. Unless the script machine has been running full bore all season for someone who isn't Jessica, I'll choose to believe his condition is real. (It takes a truly major DAW to sign off on unnecessary surgery.) But the timing on this news flash...

At first glance, it seems to be strongly pro-Phillip. Look how brave he is, postponing surgery just to finish the competition! Don't you just want to hold his hand? Hug him? Give him lots and lots of sympathy votes? And it even comes with a built-in excuse for his voice! Plus if his recovery time runs long, he gets to miss the tour, and that at least keeps his streak going. In fact, the only way this seems to help Jessica is if the fight-it-out part goes false as Phillip takes a turn for the worse, or at least for the dive, and the show is forced to bring back Joshua. No WGWG, no automatic win.

Yes, I'm exactly this distrusting. But who taught me why I should be, Nigel?

"RE: Rerun."
Posted by Snidget on 05-18-12 at 11:53 PM
I'm slightly less cynical.

I think the season long viewers are pretty used to him skipping out on things, so I thought the reminder he's really sick and looks stoned a lot of the time was for the more casual viewer who is catching this only the last couple of weeks who may not have been paying attention early on.

I do think the condition is real, and they did put a stent in to keep him OK for the short term. Not many people will have painful surgery that can cause on-going pain just for the DAW points.

I'm still not completely clear on the editing/story arc. Although they may be playing it both ways.

On the one hand, the talented girl who was nearly sent home but saved, yes saved and whom you will then vote for because it was terrible she was almost out.

On the other, the creative guy who is battling a painful condition because winning this show is more important than his own health and comfort.

Either arc could win and you could tell your boss you got the result you wanted all along.

"RE: Rerun."
Posted by qwertypie on 05-19-12 at 01:00 PM
I think the story was released to explain why Phil Phillips was skipping out on the Ford ads. No, it wasn't that he had too much integrity to appear in them; no, it's not like we let the idol wannabee have judgement and discretion......
"The rumors fly."
Posted by Estee on 05-19-12 at 01:22 PM
A few sources are now reporting that PSquared will have the surgery before the finale. No real details other than that, and I'm not taking any of it seriously until the show confirms.

Still -- imagine checking in Wednesday to find out the final battle is between two people who were previously voted out. Whee?