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"Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by ZJ on 10-29-02 at 04:32 AM
Saw this spoiler posted by MightyMom2 at survivorsucks. Thought it might be interesting. Note that my thoughts on this thing was that Penny's order was unchanged.


First-time poster, long-time lurker. Never registered or posted before because: 1. Never had anything spoiler-worthy to say, 2. Couldn't come up with a clever name (my boys came up with this one), and 3. Frankly, some of you scare me. So, agree or disagree. The following may be just a coincidence, or may not. I have read two of Mark Burnett's books, and I know that he does put subtle hints in the episodes and opening credits. I also know he is very egotistical, so this may just pan out.

Imagine the telephone keypad and the letters assigned to the numbers. Now shift the letters up so that you use the numbers 1 through 8 (eight members on each tribe). Assign letters to those numbers as follows:

Tribes shown 2nd in opening credits (Tagi, Kucha, Boran, Maraamu)

1 = A, B, C
2 = D, E, F
3 = G, H, I
4 = J, K, L
5 = M, N, O
6 = P, R, S
7 = T, U, V
8 = W, X, Y

Tribes shown 1st in opening credits (Pagong, Ogakor, Samburu, Rotu)

1 = W, X, Y
2 = T, U, V
3 = P, R, S
4 = M, N, O
5 = J, K, L
6 = G, H, I
7 = D, E, F
8 = A, B, C


Winners:
Richard = 5th person shown on 2nd tribe shown = M, N, or O "M"
Tina = 8th person shown on 1st tribe shown = A, B, or C "A"
Ethan = 6th person shown on 2nd tribe shown = P, R, or S "R"
Vecepia = 4th person shown on 2nd tribe shown = J, K, or L "K"

If this same pattern follows, and MB is spelling out his name, the next letter would be "B", which would be either Penny (8th person shown on 1st tribe shown) or Clay (1st person shown on 2nd tribe shown).

Here is the exact order in the opening credits for each Survivor season:

S1
Pagong: BB, Colleen, Gervase, Gretchen, Jenna, Joel, Ramona, Greg
Tagi: Dirk, Stacey, Rudy, Sonja, Richard, Kelly, Sean, Susan

S2
Ogakor: Colby, Maralyn, Keith, Mitchell, Jerri, Kel, Amber, Tina
Kucha: Michael, Alicia, Rodger, Elisabeth, Kimmi, Nick, Debb, Jeff

S3
Samburu: Frank, Linda, Silas, Kim, Lindsey, Brandon, Carl, Teresa
Boran: Kelly, Diane, Tom, Clarence, Kim, Ethan, Lex, Jessie

S4
Rotu: Neleh, Robert, Kathy, Tammy, Gabriel, Zoe, Paschal, John
Maraamu: Hunter, Sarah, Peter, Vecepia, Gina, Sean, Patricia, Rob

S5
Sook Jai: Jed, Shii Ann, Jake, Erin, Robb, Stephanie, Ken, Penny
Chuay Gahn: Clay, Helen, Brian, Ghandia, John, Jan, Ted, Tanya

I haven't been able to figure out a pattern that would determine which of the 2 tribes to pick from, but at least I can narrow it down to two people this way.

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"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by OceanSkater on 10-29-02 at 10:46 AM
LAST EDITED ON 10-29-02 AT 10:48 AM (EST)

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

Don't be scared of me, Mighty Mom2!

The others,they scare me too! They all live as a commune in a huge castle on an island off Scotland. They are like mad geniuses, always scheming and plotting....they are waiting for their orders to take Saddam out and when they're on their secret government mission in Iraq, the boards are OURS!!!!Ha Ha HA ! (evil laugh)

This is a very nice bunch of folks here actually, I'm finding out. And all conspiracy theories are welcome. I must admit the keypad thing hurts my brain but anything with numbers (except money, and things to bet on) gives me a jolt up there. But I'm sure someone will be ablle to decode it. Hell, they got into the data base at TRW!

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by dabo on 10-29-02 at 11:51 AM
For whatever it is worth, the National Enquirer reported on Penny's wedding and stated that she didn't win the million (though, technically, I suppose none of them have won the million yet, the money isn't awarded until after the last episode airs). MB is just egomaniacal to try something like this.

ARRRRRRR!!!!

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by GTmike on 10-29-02 at 12:02 PM
It is interesting, but I think that this is bogus. The theory is lost when you have to switch the alphabet upside down for the second tribe. Why do that? It is basically manipulating your data to prove your hypothesis. It is an interesting find but I don't think that it is that relavant.

I don't think that there are any spoilers in the opening credits.

Happy Halloween

"Wait and see"
Posted by sorgee on 10-29-02 at 02:15 PM
OK. I see possibilities here, but I also have my reservations.

However, I'm going to watch to see how this theory plays out. I think that MB definitely has some...gimmick that is an inside joke for him and the crew. And this would fit the bill nicely.

I'm jealous. I wish I had the time to sit around and come up with things like this!

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-29-02 at 02:52 PM
I saw this on the Sucks board too and I've never read anything so utterly, mind-bogglingly stupid.

So let's just get this straight. Mark Burnett decided to correspond each winner's position in the opening credits to one of three letters connected to a number on a telephone key. Except first he had to displace the letters by one number.

And why is he doing this? Just so he can SPELL OUT HIS NAME. Sort of.

I guess he must have been planning for Survivor 11 when he was designing the credits for Survivor 1 then.

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by pancho on 10-29-02 at 03:59 PM
No I am sure that this is real. I am putting this theory together in a colorful chart form to prove it.
pancho
"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-29-02 at 05:20 PM
Colors would be good, pancho. I like burnt sienna.

By the way, ZJ, I wasn't flaming you as the messenger. And for what it's worth, I did think it interesting that Penny's was the only placement that didn't change when the new credits rolled in Ep 2.

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by dabo on 10-29-02 at 04:54 PM
Who's the winner if Mark decides simply to spell Mark again?
"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by tribephyl on 10-29-02 at 05:38 PM
Who's the winner if Mark decides simply to spell Mark again?
"M" again, translates as the 4th person on the 1st tribe or the 5th person on the 2nd tribe. However, that would be either John or Erin. And since John is already gone. I feel fairly confident in saying, "That's not gonna happen." LOL
"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by dabo on 10-29-02 at 05:42 PM
Who's the winner if Mark decided all along to spell out MARK LOVES JEFF?

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by Bebo on 10-29-02 at 05:46 PM
Get out of my brain, you wily bird! I was going to post something to that effect on Bashers after I finished my SOTS.

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 10-30-02 at 09:14 AM
Ok, you made me feel like a dork this morning. It's 7am and I'm in an empty office, glad no one was here to see me spew Pepsi (notice the product placement). Thanks for the laugh.
"Murphy's Law 101"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 10-29-02 at 10:04 PM
Two of the many corollaries to Murphy's Law are these:

"Anything can be proven with statistics."

"The same set of statistics can be used to prove two exactly opposite viewpoints."

In other words, you can find almost any bleeding pattern you want to if you look hard enough. And that same bleeding pattern can be used to discredit your original theory!

Aside to Dabo and Bebo: LOL!


"All of us necessarily hold many casual opinions that are ludicrously wrong simply because life is far too short for us to think through even a small fraction of the topics that we come across. -- Julian Simon

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: Possible Opening Credits Spoiler?"
Posted by Draco Malfoy on 10-30-02 at 10:15 AM
Mighty Mom 2= Maraarotu


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