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"Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Petey on 05-27-05 at 10:50 AM
This post isn't meant to be a debate about whether or not Peter lost the Contender finale, but rather an inquiry about why he looked so terrible? Obviously Sergio contributed to his demise, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of external reasons why he looked so bad. Was Peter better before the Contender or was he never that good in the first place?

Not only did he look sluggish on Tuesday, he looked downright weak. He was hardly able to punch after the 4th round. He has obviously fought many longer fights in the past few years and he has not had a problem with conditioning. Was there some sort of physical problem with him? Did he have to cut too much weight? Did he not train very hard? Is he psychologically damaged after filming the contender? Did fighting so much last fall damage him physically? Did the Providence mafia make him tank the fight?

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"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by intocable on 05-27-05 at 04:11 PM
I think he was going to loose either way, but He did look bad. I think the main thing that got him was he didn't expect Sergio to stand in there with his back against the ropes and fight him. he was expecting him to run and all that and when he didn't that threw his whole game plan off...
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Petey on 05-27-05 at 04:30 PM
A theory that was mentioned over at the Alfonso Gomez message board is that Peter's "people" (whatever that means...mafia? friends?) bet very heavily for Sergio to win the fight. Perhaps somebody is masterminding a plan that would allow for more lucrative rematches with the guys from the contender show, etc?

I can't believe I just wrote this -- its sort of far fetched but it wouldn't surprise me if something similar was going on. It just seemed totally bizarre to me that one year ago, Peter went against Bonsante for 12 very strong rounds. On Tuesday, he barely made it through 2 rounds.

"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by intocable on 05-27-05 at 04:35 PM
Could be.. never say never, but he said in his press conferance that he was in tip top shape ready to do it and all that..
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-27-05 at 04:59 PM
Everybody says that at every press conference. I don't even go to PCs that often any more, because you can script them in advance. Oscar De La Hoya is the worst.

Anyway, personally, I just think Peter was a little bit exposed in the show. Going in, he was probably the favorite, but only made it past the first day because of Jeff Fraza's chicken pox. He was still probably one of the three or four best fighters, but he is apparently not terribly adaptable in a fight (a knock against the corner at least as much as the fighter) and seemed unprepared for Serio's strategy and unable to counter it. Simple as that. Or maybe he's just the kind of guy who, when the right lights are shining wilts rather than grows. Time will tell.

"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Ricky on 05-27-05 at 09:04 PM
I don't think there was anything wrong with Peter. Sergio was just quicker - that's what made Peter seem sluggish.

Peter can sure take a punch though, I thought he was gonna go down a few times toward the end of the fight - but he hung in there.


In the end, those of us that walk away winning, win more than just a loss - Audrey, Apprentice loser

"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Digital Christ on 05-27-05 at 10:24 PM
These dudes' were fighting with just a few days recovery time from previous battles. Peter's used to months of down time in between battles and maybe that was the factor that finally caught up with him. Just a theory I mean emotion/desire may carry U when your body can't,,,,but to do that repeatedly it will eventually shut down.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by deano2285 on 05-27-05 at 11:51 PM
If you were watching the show. Earlier in the show they talked about how they had too lose quite abit of weight to do the fight. The nutrisionist said they needed to replenish there carbs and drink a ton of water and gatoraid. I read in an article about Manfredo that in a previous fight that he had against Tony Basante that he had too lose weight the day of the fight to get down to weight for contract reasons. He lost too much energy tuesday night and never regained it back to fight The Idiot Sergio! Manfredo never had it in the whole fight. You give Manfredo a couple of months to prepare and he kicks Sergios a##. In the fight he previouslty had with Tony, Manfredo won it.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by fashionkrazy on 05-27-05 at 11:58 PM
I'm pretty sure Sergio would still win. He had LESS rest than Peter did. No doubt Peter's record is impressive but he's not a champion. And if he were, how do you explain the loss against Alfonso? Someone who's two weight classes below him? I think that people need to stop making excuse after excuse for him. He's just didn't live up to anyone's expectations.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by decoy1 on 05-28-05 at 03:54 AM
that was Jesse Brinkley that had to lose the weight and then pour the gatorade down before the fight
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-28-05 at 07:51 AM
You give Manfredo a couple of months to prepare and he kicks Sergios a##.

They all had at least 5 months to prepare for the finals and as you can see, Peter did no such thing.

This show was taped last fall and they had 'months to prepare' for the Tuesday live finale.

"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by intocable on 05-28-05 at 12:05 PM
Excuse me but he had more than two months to prepare for this fight what are you talking about? Who cares that he beat Tony? who is he ?? Is he some high standard?? He just got whipped by Jesse and Ishe!! Just face it the dude isn't all cracked up as they make it.. inflated #3 world ranking.. he must have been fighting bums..
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Wassail99 on 05-28-05 at 00:38 AM
The announcers also said during the fight how hot it was in there. They made the comment that it was over 100 degrees. Maybe he isn't used to the heat (being from Rhode Island), and Sergio was (being from California), just a thought.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Desire on 05-28-05 at 04:18 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-28-05 AT 04:39 AM (EST)

Something wrong with Peter?
Yes!
He is the victim of a very abusive father who is trying to live his dream thru his son.
Poor kid. When will he be a man and stand up to him.
He said on the show that he became a man.
Prove it!
Eliminate him from your corner.


"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by decoy1 on 05-28-05 at 05:00 AM
I kinda agree with her.... seems like he wants to go on and be an electrician and a father, not a fighter.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-28-05 at 11:09 AM
They did? Well, they were lying. It was warm in there, for sure, but it wasn't 100 degrees. Outside, it was about 105, and the difference between the arena and the outdoors was huge.
"RE: Something wrong with Peter?"
Posted by Water_Walker32 on 05-29-05 at 06:21 PM
Well to be honest, the whole strategy that Peter and his father had going was a dead end. Peter realized that Sergio was too quick and Peter was convinced that if he could get Sergio to fight up close, he could take him, all he had to do is back him in a corner. As far as Peter looking sluggish, if I recall correctly, there were a few excellent body shots from Sergio that seem to paralyze Peter a bit. You take a few shots like that in the liver or kidney and your whole system slows down. Plus it can make you instantly exhausted.
As far as a strategic match designed for a rematch, well...that is hard for me to believe. Peter needed the million dollars and wouldn't have agreed to take a dive (per se). Any chance for a rematch I couldn't see paying out that much. All the contenders had to fight their way up to a million dollar fight.

I voted for Peter to win, I think he is a nice kid aside from his father. It almost looked as though Peter's father took over management of his corner. Peter didn't fight Peter's fight. Not to say the outcome would have been any different. But just like the Peter vs Gomez fight, anything could happen. I certainly don't see Sergio as unbeatable. I say give them 8 rounds and give the top four a go at it again. Different people? sure. Bring Ishe back too...come on, you can talk him into it.

I truly hate the 5 round bouts. That needs to be upped.