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"*** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 07:00 PM
Please use this thread for EP2 comments before 12:00 EDT...
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"Posting Early..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 07:02 PM
My internet connection is intermittently dropping out on me tonite...

Thought I'd get this thread started while I can!

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by corcam on 09-26-02 at 07:38 PM
Hey guys this is way off topic but is there a vehicle sponsor this year?



"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Naked on 09-26-02 at 11:10 PM
Pontiac is sponsoring S5, but I do not believe that the brand of car has been given yet.

I just did a video job at a GM conferance this week though, and they said that Bonneville will play a role in a television series this fall though. I'm betting those cheap bastards are giving away the crapiest car in thier line this season.

"New video clips in the intro???"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 08:10 PM
Hey, was it me or was this a different intro???

I remember that ugly beat head thingy being at the end last time, and I don't remember the clip of Tanya taking something from a boat or the wide shot of Jan in her blue swimsuit.

Am I just remembering wrong?

-sB

"RE: New video clips in the intro???"
Posted by ZJ on 09-27-02 at 04:45 AM
You are absolutely correct. The first episode showed all the women then the men, this episode showed them mixed respectively in tribes.

>Hey, was it me or was
>this a different intro???
>
>I remember that ugly beat head
>thingy being at the end
>last time, and I don't
>remember the clip of Tanya
>taking something from a boat
>or the wide shot of
>Jan in her blue swimsuit.
>
>
>Am I just remembering wrong?
>
>-sB


"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:14 PM
Damn, Clay snores loudly. I'd boot him first! Ooooo..they sleep in the cave full of bats. Ghandia whines about the "crappy" boat. Helen and Jan take off in the boat without the map to get water. Helen says she knows where it is. Oooo...snakes! They're LOST!

"No Surprises on Helen Jan Lost"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:18 PM
They go to get water with the boat... Helen is too proud to take the map... they get lost and Helen does nothing but bad mouth Jan in confessional.

Helen is a class a b*tch!

"Jan seems a little lazy tho..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:21 PM
Jan seems happy to volunteer to guard the boat while Helen has to go get the water... Jan'e eyes are shooting daggers when she comes out of the jungle and Jan is relaxing in the water.
"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:21 PM
Meanwhile in Purple land, Jeb and Steph are freakin lazy. They just can't get into building a shelter. Jev is taking on food, and Steph is in charge of water.


Ted, Brian and Clay seem pretty chummy. They're worried about Jan and Helen. Woohoo! They found the water hole. Helen shoots Jan an annoyed look as she hauls the water to the boat, and Jan floats in the water. The were missing for 4-5 hours.

Umm, so far Shii Ann is UTR.


"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:23 PM
Steph, Robb and Jeb are the loners sleeping away from the others. Shii Ann finally gets a confessional, and talks about teamwork..blah blah blah


"Sook Jai has trouble brewing"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:23 PM
5 of them go off to gather food...

The ones who remain, Robb and his friends resent that 5 people had to go to get food so they refuse to eat the food (shell fish etc).

Definitely some bad blood happening early on in this tribe...

Storm clouds figuratively and literally!

"You have to respect one thing..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:27 PM
MB and company excel at picking groups that produce conflict!
"Let me get this straight..."
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 08:35 PM

- They won't eat any of the GOOD shellfish the bigger crew finds (instead they earlier ate Jeb's crappy fried coconut)

- Jeb blows off the hut then sleeps UNDER IT

- Jeb and Robb the "girl crazy" boy -- hangs out on the beach with Jeb and Stehpen while the girl with the floatation devices, the former cheerleader, and his arch nemesis go "hunting" with only Ken and Jake

- "Stephen" sleeps out in the rain with a cold

Hello folks, I think we have some new guffo award winners!

"Brilliant!"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:29 PM

Steph decides to sleep in the downpour, and gets sick. What a moron.


"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 08:29 PM
This just in! Ted is actually Chef from South Park!

Cin

"ROFL!"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:31 PM
Fave Chef quote:

Get off my lawn, yah brain eatin' zombie bastards!

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by moonbaby on 09-26-02 at 09:19 PM
I thought he sounded familiar!


"Stephanie is sick!"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:30 PM
Slept out in rain by dying embers of fire...

Had a cold to begin with... now it's worse... her actions are described by the others as 'pig-headed'... Shi Ann says 'we can't afford to have her sick'.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 08:32 PM
Stephanie decided to sleep in the rain and mud all night and now she's sick. What a moron - I haven't seen much Shii....could Shakes be right?

And I have to add that I ~really~ like Helen ;)

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:36 PM
Reward Challenge-

Blindfolded tribe members lead guide through figure 8 course, and collect colored bags, for lanterns, and fising equipment. Stephanie sits out for Purple tribe. Tanya and Penny are the Guides. It's a close race. Jake rams into a post and grabs his mouth. Jeb is kissing the bushes and trees. Purple falls down. PURPLE WINS!

"Reward Challenge..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:36 PM
Blind palanquin carry... intersecting zigzag pattern...

Sook Jai sits out Stephanie...

Reward is fishing hooks... extra lantern... big fishing net...

Tanya leads team orange... Penny leads purple...

neck and neck after three pick up points... picking little bags off hanging ropes...

Purple gaining a small lead gets hung up in tree... gets free

Penny panics on final stretch tells them to run and they trip...

Orange was way back anyway... edited to make it look close

"RE: Reward Challenge..."
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 08:40 PM
They were close for most of it....it looks like Tanya panicked more than Penny and CG must have been tripping all over themselves in the last turn.

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"purple wins rc"
Posted by smiles on 09-26-02 at 08:38 PM

purple wins rc and steph sits out-penny guides purple
tanya guides red

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:44 PM
OHM! The Love Tribe part deux, makes Helen a crown for her 20th anniversary. Then Brian plays guitar and the sing Happy Anniversary to the tune of Happy Birthday. And can I just say that these people have the WORST singing voices that I have ever heard.

Clay finds a bunch of squid on the beach. Yummmm...

Clay comments that Helen has the personality of an encylopedia. Hmmm, Wonder if Helen is the cook that Ghandia was talking about.

IC is the flower challenge.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 08:53 PM
I just want to say if you're going to bring a guitar to an island and show it off on national TV -- you better at least know how to play it!

WORST.GUITARIST.EVER

-SB

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by dabo on 09-26-02 at 10:37 PM
I knew Brian would turn out to be a no-talent, I mean he was a soap regular (I guess) and never cut a record.

ARRRRRRR!!!!

"Helen is an idiot..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:45 PM
Her tribe decide to have a surprise party to celebrate her anniversary...

They come up to her as a group and she blurts out 'y'all are votin' me out?'

Then they start singing happy anniversary... she later explains that she noticed that the tribe was acting wierd all day (as they made the party preps) and it was this behaviour that made her paranoid.

They are trying to nurse Tanya back to health...

Orange tribe find a shitload of squid on the beach... Helen cooks it and nobody likes it...

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 08:51 PM
At least now we know why Tanya's not on the jury....^-^;;

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"Purple wins immunity"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:52 PM
Will it be Helen, Jan, or Tanya?

"*Does her Helen Dance*"
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 08:53 PM
Please let them get rid of annoying Helen!

I was hoping Steph was gonna lose it and not be able to dive!
Cin

"IC is floating flowers"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 08:53 PM
The flowers shown in preview are not complete... additional pieces are tied to anchors under the water out from raft area... tribe has to swim out one at a time to go get a flower piece and tow it back into to the main flower 'nucleus'... a person can tag out if the swim out to flower area and then back to nucleus to get someone else to try..

Jan and Penny tag out...

Three pieces left each...

Erin takes a dangerous looking spill as she dives/fall off flower 'nucleus'

Sook Jai has one piece left... Chuay Gahn has one piece slightly behind...

Sook Jai wins immunity...

Dammit... I had picked Sook Jai for both challenges almost a week ago on the Spoiler Island game and I had Ghandia picked to go...

I left those picks there until I saw ABT's picks at 6:00 pm tonite... and I changed them...

If Ghandia goes tonite... somebody please, PLEASE shoot me!

"RE: IC is floating flowers"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:54 PM

>If Ghandia goes tonite... somebody please, PLEASE shoot me!


That's why I don't carry a gun.


Don't worry Ice, you have a lot of company.


"I Feel Your Pain"
Posted by sweetpea on 09-26-02 at 08:56 PM
I had Tanya going until the Steph and Shi Ann talk started on all the board and changed all of my picks. Can I borrow your gun?
"RE: I Feel Your Pain"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 09:00 PM
Guess we should have listened to our Scribe! (to pick one who said Red would lose for sure)

I'd offer myself as the bad leader victim here but I only headed up the MINORITY wrong pick of Steph--can't blame me for the She Devil stampede...


There goes all fear of losing a perfect streak this season!

"RE: IC is floating flowers"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 08:57 PM
Well I doubt ghandia or Tanya are going because we haven't seen that vidcap of them hugging each other yet

"RE: IC is floating flowers"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 09:03 PM
OK, maybe they showed that scene tonight and I misse dit -- or maybe it fell on the cutting room floor!
"RE: IC is floating flowers"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 09-27-02 at 09:11 AM
>Well I doubt ghandia or Tanya are going because we haven't
>seen that vidcap of them hugging each other yet

I'm in the camp that believes this already happened when Tanya consoled Ghandia after her colossal screw-up after the Ep.1 IC.


"RE: IC is floating flowers"
Posted by ZJ on 09-27-02 at 04:55 AM
Haha! I laughed myself off after seeing Erin slip clumsily into the water during the IC...
Look at Jeff Probst's face...
Really funny, guess her boobs off balanced her
"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 08:54 PM
Y'all, since the title for episode 4 does indeed sound like a switch, I beleive we're going to be seeing CG get demolished - and thus, the reason why the switch is uneven. Look for red to be crushed next week as well.

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 08:57 PM
Nobody likes Helen, but Tanya is ready to go. If they don't vote out Jan, she must have some friends.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 08:57 PM
This could be the reason why Ghandia gets mad at Ted and Clay, since it just showed her talking to them about Helen.

Cin

"buh bye"
Posted by moonbaby on 09-26-02 at 09:02 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-26-02 AT 09:03 PM (EST)

Tanya out. CRAP!!! Votes close between Helen and Tanya.
Note to self: MISDIRECTION. Nuff said. I hate you, EPM.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 09:01 PM
If they vote out Helen, then I'll laugh as they keep losing. It's like Maraamu + 25 years average age.

I'm surprised at how this tribe keeps splitting their votes....I know past votes don't count anymore, but it's such a Pagong thing to do.

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"Another wipeout?"
Posted by AyaK on 09-26-02 at 09:04 PM
It's hard to judge how tribes will end up doing, unless they split. The only Survivor where the teams seemed evenly matched was S1 -- in S2, after Ogakor won the first IC, Kucha wiped them out 3 straight, and lost only because MB made them all go in the maze and then Mike fell into the fire before the obstacle course.

In S3, there was sentiment that Boran might get wiped out after losing the first 2, but it recovered to win the rest of the challenges (except for Ethan and crew throwing the puzzle challenge to boot Silas after the switch). In S4, one tribe DID get wiped out, but that was due to its own malfunctioning logic (let's boot Hunter and keep Princess Funbags!).

I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet.

"Tanya is OUT."
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 09:02 PM
Helen is a paranoid freak. Tanya is weak, and unprepared for the game.

"RE: Tanya is OUT."
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 09:06 PM
Man, what a horrible trip this girl had -- gets put on the Over 30 Tribe, get's sick, puts in a pretty pitiful performance, gets booted 2nd, then has it all topped off by finding out her Dad died.

Ouch.

-SB

"Tribal Council..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 09:02 PM
Helen thinks anyone could go...

Ghandia thinks its a toss up between Tanya and Helen...

Jiffy asks the crowd if moral is low... they all try to put on a brave face...

Helen says she was touched by the anniversary party... says she can't cry because the Navy Seals at work would laugh at her.

Vote time...

Votes shown:

Brian votes Tanya
Ghandia votes Helen


Counting

Tanya
Helen
Helen
Tanya
Tanya
Tanya

Tanya's gone!

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 09:04 PM
Well that makes about 99% of my reasoning this week CRAP, so I probably needed this humbling experience.

Could this be more like S3?
Congrats to NightScribe and everyone...

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 09:19 PM
OFG, how do you think *I* feel... was I not telling you last night on the "temp" board to consider Tanya because they were showing her puking????

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 09:31 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-26-02 AT 09:32 PM (EST)

Yes, Dawg, you were.
*pat pat*
I disagreed cuz I thought it was too much in our face.
But I definitely agreed with you it was Tanya if the Chews lost again.
*pour some Amaretto (or drink of choice) and aged Scotch and drink a toast to ol' Occam*

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 09:45 PM
I'm consuming Grand Marnier right now...

It's not helping... still kicking myself...


Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"So ..."
Posted by AyaK on 09-26-02 at 09:06 PM
Tanya joins Jessie (S3) and Ramona (S1) in the Frequent Barfers Club, leading to an early boot.

Does this happens in each odd-numbered Survivor?

"RE: So ..."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 09:09 PM
I guess we'll see, two seasons from now, AK...

But Ramona hung in there longer...
Ho hum, I wonder who will be the sweetheart to get booted out in 6th place?

"RE: So ..."
Posted by moonbaby on 09-26-02 at 09:10 PM
Early to puke
Early to boot
In odd numbered Survivors
Tells who won't win loot.


"RE: So ..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 09-26-02 at 09:15 PM
>Tanya joins Jessie (S3) and Ramona (S1) in the Frequent Barfers
>Club, leading to an early boot.
>
>Does this happens in each odd-numbered
>Survivor?

Didn't Vermin barf during the first couple of episodes of S2? He lasted until the 7th episode.


"Just in the first"
Posted by AyaK on 09-26-02 at 09:22 PM
We only saw Jeffy barfing in E1. Again, there was a clear outsider -- stepson-lovin' Debb.

In E2, we watched Varner gross out Tina, who barfed up the cow stomach.

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by I_AM_HE on 09-26-02 at 09:06 PM
you have a 4-2 split- who got the 7th vote? not that it matters

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by TechNoir on 09-26-02 at 09:11 PM
Tanya. Ghandia and Tanya voted for Helen.

Tech

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 09:09 PM
Tanya and Ghandia voted for Helen, the rest of the votes were for Tanya.

Next week... It looks like the tribes have a choke challenge. Ghandia accuses Ted of some kind of sexual harassment. Hmmm...Ghandia votes alone, Ghandia is making waves...buh bye Ghandia.

"RE: Tribal Council..."
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 09:11 PM
...Ghandia votes alone,

is that like "the cheese stands alone?" *giggle*


Cin

"WOW"
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 09:06 PM
Previews ROCK!

Cin

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 09:06 PM
And may I say: Damnit! I knew Tanya was going to be going (because of all the promotional misdirection towards SJ) but then everyone was all like - No, it's obvious that SJ is going to TC! Damn you Shii Ann for being in TC pics!

And sexual assault allegations? Now we know why Ghandia's so pissed, eh?

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by BMH on 09-26-02 at 09:15 PM
lol Kokoro..I thought I was an idiot for not believing that Shii was going tonite..but I really liked her and my gut told me it wasn't her time yet.....Can you guys believe the previews!..OMG!!..No wonder why Ghandia hates Ted..and the physical challenge looks promising!..Im excited..I dont like Clay..but did you see Robb picking him up by his throat!..grr that guy makes me angrier and angrier..he is so damn annoying!
"Do not miss next week!"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 09:08 PM
Challenge preview looks like head-butting-sumo-wrestling type thing on a narrow little raft... somebody shown throttling someone else - actually has their hands on their throat...

Ghandia accuses Ted of 'getting sexual' ... Ted says 'I don't even find you attractive!'... Ghandia shown screaming at the top of her lungs!

I literally blurted out an OMG!

<click>

"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by Cin on 09-26-02 at 09:09 PM
It looked like Jed chocking Clay. More to come on the vidcap thread!
Cin
"Robb choking Clay?"
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 09:17 PM
The 'choker' is about Robb's height... does Robb have a black tattoo on the back of his left arm?

The 'chokee'is definitely the little Clay fella.

Robb is heard to say the following immediately after the clip:

'He's a weak little whiney punk!'

The tribe contestants appear to be trying to travel across the little raft carrying a basket... some peopple are kneeling on the raft and others are in the water evan as others are grappling while standing up... it's a mad house!

"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by I_AM_HE on 09-26-02 at 09:09 PM
man, i'm gonna have to find my way over to someplace with a tv to watch that one!!!

"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by TechNoir on 09-26-02 at 09:13 PM
Good because this week was DREADFULLY DULL ....
"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by moonbaby on 09-26-02 at 09:13 PM
ARGH!! How did I miss this preview? I swear I went right to CSI! Damn!


"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by J Slice on 09-26-02 at 09:19 PM
Wow... those previews look crazy/awesome...

I forget... is Ted married? If he is, this could be SERIOUS scandal... and Ghandia (sadly) might have to make an early departure.

Could anyone figure out who Robb was talking about when he mentioned someone as being "wimpy" or "scrawny"? I don't know who he was talking about, but in the wrestling, it looked like Clay... bizzare. I hope my favorite little short man destroys "Dude, where's my brain."

Of course, with my Ghandia speculation, she's automatically safe, since EPMB would never just hand it to us like that...

ARGH! STUPID SEE-BS and their evil misdirection!

-=J=-

Chairwoman of the People's Clay Party

"RE: Do not miss next week!"
Posted by Cin on 09-27-02 at 09:03 AM
Did you see them laying down this episode and Ghandia had her hand on Ted's upper thigh?????? I though that was a bit odd, but with the previews... oh my

Cin

"Time to KICK THE DAWG!!!!"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 09:13 PM
As AyaK, Webby, OFG and shakes can attest, yesterday on the old "temp" board, I was talking about Tanya because they showed her puking in Ep. 1...

and the IC was clearly a PHYSICAL challenge!!!

So what does this here idiot dawg do? votes for a Purple Person!!!

*kicking myself all over the place*

(and Grand Marnier is NOT making me feel better right now!!!

*sigh* Failure already.... damn me.


Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"The winners"
Posted by AyaK on 09-26-02 at 09:17 PM
Hey, just a shout-out to the ELEVEN people who escaped the misdirection that Suck Guy would go to TC and picked Chew Gum and "Barfin' Tanya" as the loser of the week:

lroy, QueenP, NTK, TeamJoisey, wendyp, NightScribe, samboohoo, ulalame, FesterFan1, Spidey, munson.

Congrats to all of you.

P.S. Yes, OFG, Ramona lasted longer -- by one episode, to E3, and only because B.B. was so obviously an outsider in Gretchen's tribe.

"RE: The winners"
Posted by moonbaby on 09-26-02 at 09:21 PM
*holds the wound closer to the screen so ALL the salt gets in there juuuust right*


"Congrats to the folks..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 09:21 PM
... who had the balls (or the ovaries )to stick to their guns despite what the ABT had to say!

Well done, indeed!

"RE: The winners"
Posted by Kokoro on 09-26-02 at 09:25 PM
Though Ramona shouldn't have gone. I mean, I'm glad she did because I liked everyone else more (^-^;;) but she wasn't the weakest Pagong at that the moment (and hadn't really been sick for a week or so at that point).

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Now let us never speak of S3 again.

"RE: The winners"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 10:49 PM
You're right Kokoro--she wasn't sick any more by Ep 4, but she still wasn't carrying her weight and hadn't bonded enough while sick, so she rolled right into the "lazy" and the "loner" boot categories ...
"RE: The winners"
Posted by munson on 09-26-02 at 09:35 PM

>P.S. Yes, OFG, Ramona lasted
>longer -- by one episode,
>to E3, and only because
>B.B. was so obviously an
>outsider in Gretchen's tribe.

Actually, AyaK, Ramona lasted until E4. Stacey was the E3 boot.

I've used the curse of Ramona to pick both Jesse in Africa and now Tanya in Thailand. The only person to survive public vomitting was Varner. Hmmmm, looks like a lady can't afford to blow chunks too early in the game....

Dawg, didn't Tanya fit with your Hollow Theory quite well - an obvious target after E1 but ignored in previews?


"RE: The winners"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:11 PM
munson, I was on the old "temp" board when this one was down last night....

I was telling OFG and shakes that I thought they showed Tanya puking as a preminition and portent of things to come....

... and to consider Tanya as the boot.

I allowed myself to be led astray by the thought of ChewingGum winning IC.

*sigh*

by the way... the Hollow Theory isn't quite what you suggest (obvious target but ignored in previews)...

Hollow Theory says that we see something to distract us from the truth... that what MB shows us, while truthful and accurate, leads us AWAY from the real truth we want to see.

I would say the emphasis on "lazy" and the previews showing the Purple People, while very real, was leading us AWAY from the truth of ChewingGum back to TC. THAT would be Hollow Theory... if we had only spotted it.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: The winners"
Posted by munson on 09-26-02 at 10:30 PM
Thanks for the clarification Dawg but I fear I'll never be able to apply all the theories (Hollow, OFG, etc.) correctly. But I can apply the Vomit Theory like a mutha!

As soon as we hit the Troika of Misdirection - Episode title, E2 Previews and Website Misdirection all focusing on the growing rift in SJ - I was convinced that CG was making a return trip to TC.

Can they make it three in a row? We need to get gdiva to Loser's Logde so she can start smoking with the other stars...

"RE: The winners"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 09-26-02 at 10:05 PM
>TeamJoisey,
>FesterFan1,

Explain to me how these TAR folks walk into this Survivor thing and manage to come out on top.

Congrats folks, I gotta Spoiler Island update to go do...

-SB

"Family Values"
Posted by corcam on 09-26-02 at 09:20 PM
I guess we know why next weeks episode is called Family Values.... if Chewing Gum does go to tribal council again something tells me it is going to be Ghandia or Ted.

I still don't see what was a Great Divide this week?!?



"RE: Family Values"
Posted by true on 09-26-02 at 09:24 PM
>still don't see what was a Great Divide this week?!?

Total misdirection.

Seriously, I think it's in reference to the Jeb, Steph, Robb sleeping apart from the tribe. Who knows.

"RE: Family Values"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 11:09 PM
Recall this axiom from the past: The titles usually have something to do with what happens in the show, but rarely have anything to do with who the actual bootee is.

ON some occasion, like "The Winds Change", it denotes one previously successful tribe finally failing and going to TC, or something, but even this much is usually rare.

So the titles are not necessarily misdirection, but they usually aren't important or helpful.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"Sex and Violence..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 09:25 PM
... aren't the members of the Moral Majority the one who are always harping on about the return to 'Family Values' and are constantly complaining about too much 'sex and violence' on TV.

Preview for next EP showed two things:


Sex (Ted and Ghandia)

and

Violence (wrestling and strangulation)

"RE: Sex and Violence..."
Posted by corcam on 09-26-02 at 09:31 PM
Haha,

I can't wait! They actually get to take their fustration out and can use their hands ;)

I would like to see some "violence" between Ghandia and Ted.... where's that machetti.....



"RE: Family Values"
Posted by munson on 09-26-02 at 09:43 PM
And it seems Ghandia is odd woman out of the Boran Boys Club, version 2 or BBCv2.0, if you will.

Africa Redux...F4: Brian, Ted, Clay and Jan???

Anyone remember an article on snewser's site a while ago that talked about how, upon returning to the States, the production team, or those close to the production, were not necessarily thrilled with the events that transpired in Thailand? I've searched the site to no avail.

But wouldn't a repeat of S3 would be a huge disappointment?

"You make a GREAT point, munson!"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:43 PM
I've been thinking of similarities between S-3 and S-5 also:

1) Fresh water is difficult to get.

2) In S-3 the players suffered in the dull dry desert heat of Africa. In S-5, the players are suffering in the monsoon rains of Thailand.

I can't stand watching these poor people in this rain. I hate rain. I had to train in the crap when I was in the Army and I *hate* being out in it... so I feel awful when I watch these poor saps enduring it!

So it looks like we're going to have to endure the suffering of these people for 13 episodes. Sheesh!

3) Similarities of players: Jessie vomiting; Tanya vomiting. Stephanie(5) sick, unable to do the challenges; Diane(3) sick, falling out in a challenge. Silas; Robb (or is this not a good comparison). Carl/John.. or maybe Carl/Clay...

4) Some fairly similar challenges so far.

"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -- Thomas Paine

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: Family Values"
Posted by ulalame on 09-27-02 at 00:59 AM
Re. the "Great Divide" -- I think it had multiple meanings -- the divide in ages between the tribes, the divide between CG losing everything and SJ winning everything; the divide within SJ, rain-sleepers vs. shelter sleepers.

I really think we are being set up for a CG final five here. They are down, there's friction, but given John's chat comments (Jan picked the best team, and a couple other comments of the same type) and Ghandia's posts, I think that CG will stop losing after this week and we'll see an implosion of sorts at SJ.

As an aside, I'm glad I stuck with my gut and swam against the tide tonight. It's really easy to be cowed by ACME and all the other great spoilers out there, as they are so often right on. But the season's early yet, and there's much more spoiling to be done.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by SeaOtter on 09-26-02 at 09:39 PM
Funniest quote of the week: Ghandia saying that Helen can't handle stress! Hello!! And what exactly caused you to screw up the last IC???
"IceCat or SB..."
Posted by Bungler on 09-26-02 at 09:52 PM
Somebody! Looks like I bungled something again. I title the Episode 3 vidcaps thread "Ep 2." Any way one of you could change that for me? I can't seem to do it through Editing.
"Maybe Webby Can..."
Posted by IceCat on 09-26-02 at 10:04 PM
... but I don't think so...

I can only delete, lock, or move threads...

Editing a thread is not allowed I think...

If you cut and paste the contents of your post into a new thread I can delete the other thread... not too many posts on it yet... I won't do that until we hear from Webby, tho.

"All New Challenges? NOT!"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:16 PM
Anyone who watched COMBAT MISSIONS knows that the hand-to-hand challenge we saw in the Preview... was on Combat Missions before.

Soooo, MB! WHere are the "ALL NEW CHALLENGES" you promised us?

Hmmmmmmm?!?!?!

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 10:19 PM
Well, EPM's skill in casting the black man comes through again:
Gervase--lazy
Nick--sick and lazy
Clarence--thief
Sean--lazy and angry
Ted--alleged sex fiend, molester, along those lines...

And NO, I do not want to start one of those tedious race debates.
I'm just commenting that it's only Episode 3 and already the black male player has an accusation thrown at him...
(of course I have no knowledge or opinion of the accuracy)

Why doesn't MB just throw in the towel on diversity and cast a nice Italian boy from Joisey with a knife and a record? (Actually I read in a Probst interview that Les Moonves gets the final say in casting, but I'd rather vent at MB)

Another Survivor cliche, right after sick puking girl. Sigh.


"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by I_AM_HE on 09-26-02 at 10:25 PM
this show would be infinitely better if they were allowed to bring weapons

"Pushing my hot button!!!"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:57 PM
oooh did that ever push my hot button: "that's why I don't carry a gun" says whatshername....

well, I've had my home broken into... while I was there... by someone with the intent to commit forcible RAPE. He thought a woman lived there. OOPS, he found a BIG and very angry Dawg (very angry indeed!) ready to rip him apart. I was going for my gun, but had an empty magazine in it, and in the time I was changing to a full magazine, the guy got VERY smart and ran like hell.

So, lady, when a rapist is coming after YOU, you better hope and pray that I, or someone like me who CAN and DOES legally carry a gun, is around to save you.

*off the soapbox*

P.S. If that Immunity Idol isn't an extremely sharp weapon that could stab two or three players in one good run, then I don't know what is...

"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -- Thomas Paine

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:31 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-26-02 AT 10:32 PM (EST)

And add to this the portrayal of black women as "angry" or "crazy":

Alicia - fight with Kimmi
Linda - portrayed as goofy-crazy
Vecepia - portrayed as ultra-religious but underhanded, and of course the big "we did it" with Sean at the end (and this fits the "angry black woman" that I'm discussing here)....
Ghandia - well, if the previews are anything...

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-26-02 at 10:44 PM
True Dawg...
Note that he tried out the black woman in the puking sick role first time around, but it ruined her feisty potential...

Of all that list--Alicia shines. She played great and no shame to her for wagging her finger at silly Kimmy. She did walk away.

She was simply too buff for the merged tribe to handle.

"RE: *** EP2 Official East Coast SPOILER Thread ***"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 09-26-02 at 10:48 PM
True, OFG... I loved Alicia a lot, but when one sees her arguing with Kimmi (right or wrong), one sees the "angry black woman" getting in an argument.

And we're about to see Ghandia in a similar role, if my interpretation of the OFG Theory in these previews is correct.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"Next week's sex scandal. . ."
Posted by George Tirebiter on 09-27-02 at 04:11 AM
Wish there was a better place to bring this up, but I'm finding the vidcap threads too cumbersome to even bother with, this season. . .

As I was watching tonight, I commented on how Ghandia seemed overly-friendly with Ted--as they were lying in the cave (listening to the snoring?), she had her hand draped across his inner thigh in an awfully familiar way. So when the previews of next week came on and she was bellowing about being taken advantage of, I had to ask WTF!

I'd already decided this girl was calling the kettle (Helen) black, and is most likely a loose cannon at best, and a nutjob at worst. Feeling pretty damned confident she'll be next on the chopping block.

GT

Yes once. Many, many years ago I thought I had made a wrong decision. Of course, it turned out that I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong. -John Foster Dulles

"RE: Next week's sex scandal. . ."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 09-27-02 at 04:42 AM
Yeah, GT, that hand on inner thigh sent up a red flag to me, too.
I don't care how chummy these guys get in what, 5 or 6 whole days? You don't put your hand there casually; that sends a signal. If I did that to a guy and I got a hand back I would figure I had invited it, ya know?

Then again, after seeing Sean and Paschal do the mating roll on the beach, and Clay and Ted on the cave floor, I don't know what's going on with these people. Boundaries? What are those?

I agree that Ghandia's the next Chewy to bite it. She confided her Helen vote to Clay, but Clay voted Tanya with the group (in spite of his problems with Helen's personality), making G the alliance outsider. Add that to her outburst, and buh-bye if they lose again next week.

One thing about my wrong vote this week I feel good about--if Purple had lost IC, I have no doubt Steph was on the block, whereas She Devil seemed to be doing fine with the majority. She's definitely the tribal narrator at present--which is why I held back from voting for her. Not that I think she makes the jury...