LAST EDITED ON 07-05-06 AT 04:50 PM (EST)

For viewers who enjoy bashing er uh I mean discussing the Fogals, here, as an appetizer, is the actual (and entire) transcript of their conversation after the canoe race ...

(The Fogals are in their SUV, racing off to the next locale)

Brad: "Hey, were they expecting us to wait at thirteen?"

Kayte: "We couldn't have waited."

Margie: "Brad, we were too far ahead of them."

Kayte: "Oh, my gosh Dad. All..." (the rest is unintelligible because she and Margie are talking over each other)

Margie: "That was the thing, we couldn't stop midstream."

Margie or Katye (?): "Hey, can we say a prayer for everyone else? That was just...that was rough."

Brad: "Go ahead."

Kayte: "Go ahead, Mom."

Margie: "God, thank you for getting us through. And uh...we have nothing more than anybody else does. But we have you to draw on. Thank You, Amen."

Brad: "Amen. All right thanks. That always calms you down a little bit."

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• RE: "Curses! Fogaled Again!" :D,Earl Colby Pottinger, 06:49 PM, 07-05-06
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        • RE: Curses! Fogaled Again!,Earl Colby Pottinger, 12:38 PM, 07-09-06

The thing is even if we assume they are telling the truth about the current, then:

(1) Why didn't they just wait for everyone at the fourteen star?

(2) If they wanted to not waste any time, why did they try to hide the clue from the other teams who had just helped them?

(3) Even if it was just the mother's idea to rebury it (we see the other two heading for the car at that time) why not wait in the car for the other teams while trying to figure out the clue. And leave at the same time.

The Fogal's show a very un-christain streak of self-interest.

LAST EDITED ON 07-06-06 AT 01:56 AM (EST)

>The thing is even if we
>assume they are telling the
>truth about the current,
>

But were they? Were they all traveling upstream (against the current), or downstream (with the current)? If upstream, they could have simply taken a break from paddling and drifted back to where the other teams were. If downstream ... uh ... I don't know, I'm kinda dizzy just thinking about all that paddling.

>(1) Why didn't they just wait
>for everyone at the fourteen
>star?

Good question.

>(2) If they wanted to not
>waste any time, why did
>they try to hide the
>clue from the other teams
>who had just helped them?

Another good question. I'll have to go back and review the tape, 'cause I wasn't paying attention to what they did after they found their copy of the clue. I'm assuming, from your question, that they covered the box back up? Or what? Whatever it was, definitely it would've caused them a delay of some seconds or maybe even minutes. Velly intellestink!

>(3) Even if it was just
>the mother's idea to rebury
>it (we see the other
>two heading for the car
>at that time)

The mother (Margie) appears to be the viciously cutthroat alpha male of the team -- Margie Dearest, LOL The other two seem to be similarly cutthroat but lack the energy for true viciousness.

> why not
>wait in the car for
>the other teams while trying
>to figure out the clue.
> And leave at the
>same time.

More good questions. The simple answer is, of course, that they weren't concentrating on fitting their actions to their words -- they were only concentrating on fitting their words to their words, and this in hindsight, a la spin control. IMO of course.

>The Fogal's show a very un-christian
>streak of self-interest.

I can only speak as an ex-Christian, current part-time atheist/part-time agnostic, LOL, and reply that IMO a living creature with no self-interest is a dead creature.

Even becoming -- and being -- a Christian involves self-interest -- the interest in getting a "get out of hell free card" so to speak, the interest in STAYING out of hell, receiving special favors from all-powerful supernature being, that sort of thing. Nothing wrong with self-interest, IMO, but it's kinda hard to not criticize the Fogals who insist on thinking of themselves as somehow less self-interested, and more noble, than "sinners".

Igor, Secretary to the Pope
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"A Mind Is A Terrible Thing"

Not that I want to get religious but the Christian way is to:
"Do unto others what you would have them do unto you."

It certainly isn't: "Fogal them before they Fogal you!"

>Not that I want to get
>religious but the Christian way
>is to:
>"Do unto others what you would
>have them do unto you."
>
>It certainly isn't: "Fogal them before
>they Fogal you!"

Really clever the way the teams picked up the name and verbed it.

Igor, Secretary to the Pope
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"A Mind Is A Terrible Thing"

LAST EDITED ON 07-09-06 AT 01:02 PM (EST)

Ofcourse Christians have self-interest. They are human after-all. They do think of themselves first, most times. Thier family over other families, most times. Their friends over strangers, most times. But they do think in terms of helping others outside thier circle of family, friends, location.

But, the reason I used the term "streak of self-interest" was to point out that the Fogals interest seems to stop with themselves, period.

Lots of Christians are kind of Fogally. But not all.

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