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"RC Poll"

Posted by ShowMeTheWinner on 04-24-02 at 12:10 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-02 AT 12:13 PM (EST)

I did one last week and out of 42 votes, we had a whopping total of TWO correct votes. Talk about hard to pick huh? I hope the RC Poll will continue for this week and also weeks to come. Hopefully some of the arguments stated here will help some spoilers' decisions to pick the RC winner for Spoiler Island.

Edited: Aargh... keep forgetting to include the Guidelines reminder coz some people didn't follow the guidelines last week.
Guidelines: Put the RC winner in the subject column. You can write down your reasonings in your post if you want to.



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"Neleh"
Posted by DarkLotus on 04-24-02 at 12:12 PM
I don't know... this is total guesswork, as RC rarely has an effect on the outcome of the game, so not a lot of work goes into spoiling it, really...

- Dark Lotus


"Tammy"
Posted by ShowMeTheWinner on 04-24-02 at 12:26 PM
The Tammy dancing pic although I do agree that she looks more like a native instead of Tammy.

PS: Agree with you DarkLotus that most of the RCs have very little to do with the game itself. However I think that a lot of spoilers are still interested in it as shown by the number of discussions about Robert's hand versus Neleh's hair in the diving clip of last week. I think this thread will tie up nicely about what most spoilers actually think who the RC winner will be. And since the RC pick is also a part of the Spoiler Island game, I think the RC picks and reasonings here will help some people who are still undecided with their picks.



"Tammy/Vee"
Posted by hrc2u on 04-24-02 at 12:31 PM
Well since it looks like a team effort for reward this time and it appears they are on same team. I will pick Tammy and Vee. Hey, maybe it's Vee in that pic. I will be really amazed if Kathy wins another one. If she wins again, she'll probably be booted.
So, I pick the team of Tammy and Vee.
hrc2u

"Neleh, Zoe"
Posted by samboohoo on 04-24-02 at 02:35 PM
In the vid clips (#19), there is a shot of a person standing all the way to the left that looks a lot like Zoe. Plus in the picure of Zoe, Pappy and Kathy laughing, I think they are laughing at Neleh giving everyone a recap of the evening.

"Neleh/Zoe - TAMMY DOESN"T WIN!!!!"
Posted by brenda1234 on 04-24-02 at 03:19 PM
If you watch the live preview for this week's episode: You will see when the survivors are running towards the water (watch carefully)that Tammy suddenly turns back. Could they have forgotten a step in the challenge???

"Tammy/Vecepia"
Posted by BMH on 04-24-02 at 03:48 PM
Based on the previewz and what ppl have been sayin over the week..Tammy and Vee seem the most likely to win..

"Neleh & Zoe"
Posted by lroy on 04-24-02 at 04:31 PM
Neither Tammy nor Vee strikes me as big criers, so i don't know if the RC would bring them to tears. Although Zoe doesn't strike me as a big crier either, i think if she is there with Neleh it might happen.

"Tammy"
Posted by steppingrazor42 on 04-24-02 at 04:38 PM
Just going on the evidence of the vidcaps.....Hopefully she won't win the RC AND the IC.

"Zoe/neleH"
Posted by SurvivaBear on 04-24-02 at 05:08 PM
These are the only 2 I could see as tearing up, although each combo seems to have someone that is unlikely to cry.

Beware the Bear!


Thanks IceCat!

"Tammy/Vee !!!!"
Posted by katem on 04-24-02 at 05:18 PM
This is based on the dancer vid cap.

"Tammy/Vee"
Posted by Spidey on 04-24-02 at 06:43 PM
Also going on the vidcap that COULD be Tammy dancing and CAN'T be any other survivor. Could be a native, but gotta work with what we got!


"Sean/Pappy"
Posted by cowboyroo on 04-24-02 at 07:18 PM
Both are very religious. Dance seems to be spiritual in nature. Sean is neck and neck with Robert in swimming part which means he's not as bad as we think.

Two peas in a pod would fit. Pappy disliked Sean until he got to know him at the RC victory party.


"Kathy/Robert"
Posted by Kokoro on 04-24-02 at 09:25 PM

Look at the picture. It seems to me as if Kathy and Robert are the most together team. I think Kathy's proven that she's not the "weak old one". Since this is a team race and they're running for the water, I'm assuming they need to be together through the whole thing. In the picture of Sean/Robert swimming, it looks like they're close, but I believe if the shot was wider you'd see Kathy just under Robert, while Paschal would still be waaaay behind Sean.

I no longer believe the dancer is Tammy, as we've already seen (in the recap) that there's a male dressed in the same black feathered costume while everyone else wears grass skirts - it appears to be a male-female tribal dance.

That said, it's still strikes me as odd that the only team not shown in a "Wow that's cool!" shot are Tammy/Vee - however those shots also strike me as the typical - "Wow, what a great reward!" - not "Wow we're so happy Tammy won!"

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"Tammy and Vee"
Posted by MeToo on 04-24-02 at 09:28 PM
I think I saw them in the Recrap episode/preview - I don't need to wait for the vidcaps on this.

"Sean & Paschal"
Posted by smokedog on 04-25-02 at 02:15 AM
These two I definitely could see crying at the feast, as they have cried before. Paschal did when reflecting about Gabe's boot and Sean did during his 'Thank you God' baptism with Peter.

"Tammy & Vee"
Posted by Mitrelleum on 04-25-02 at 02:17 AM
Just going with the flow, and yea I could see them coming to tears because they did seem to have a connection, and this may very well protect Tammy from the boot

"Kathy - Robert"
Posted by Naked on 04-25-02 at 02:31 AM
Just because no one else picked these guys, and I can see both of them crying.

"Robert-Kathy"
Posted by idiotcowboy on 04-25-02 at 02:44 AM
I have a problem with one of each pair being a crier.

Neleh - yes, Zoe - no
Kathy - yes, Robert - no
Paschal - yes, Sean - no
Tammy - no, Vee - no?

The one that several are going with truly seems to be the least likely to cry IMO, so I drop them.

Sean seems to be a liability on water based challenges so I tend to discount that team too.

I'm not sure you could drive a stake through Zoe's leg and see a tear so unless there is a great big gust of wind or a phone call from her son I'm betting against her crying as well.

Which leaves us with Robert-Kathy, and the big ole softy Robert shedding a little tear of joy for the brisket he will be eating.

-ICB


"Kathy ,Robert"
Posted by Teddy_Bear on 04-25-02 at 05:46 AM
Based on what I have read in the other posts, and the vidcap; I'm guessing that Kathy and Robert are the RC winners. Usually when the previews strongly states something such as "The Underdogs," or in this case that something 'unpredictable' happens; it usually 'though misleading, but contains some small truth, hence the RC.

While some are argueing that Kathy would try to loose the RC; to avoid becoming a target; I would tend to agree with that if, it was a solo challenge. Since Kathy is paired with Robert--an extremely likely jury member, she is not going to throw this challenge, and risk losing his vote.

The vidcap shows them looking as 'though they have the best chance to win.

The other posts show the winning team crying; who is more likely to cry than Kathy? Robert can't be too happy now since the shake-up; so winning the RC, brings tears to his eyes.

Even though Kathy winning yet another water-based challege is not unpredictable; Robert, considering his sorry rowing exploits, does. My alternate pick is Tammy/Vee, for all the reasons already stated in the other posts.

Elenor Roosevelt: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.


"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 04-25-02 at 07:15 AM
And we thank you for your support.

*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by Bebo on 04-25-02 at 09:02 AM



"Zoe / Neleh"
Posted by Stolimadras on 04-25-02 at 10:26 AM
I think they are featured as they are winning.

"Kathy Robert"
Posted by forehead on 04-25-02 at 11:07 AM
Very little to go on. I don't expect some of the others to cry.

"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by macamrox on 04-25-02 at 11:15 AM
Boo hoo hoo. sniff sniff

"Tammy/Vee"
Posted by managerr on 04-25-02 at 11:24 AM
Here's my logic:

- Not Kathy/Robert -- Robert has made a big deal of not crying when he got some skin hacked off his toe earlier. The General would not cry in front of millions of people. Also, Robert is out of shape and was embarassingly looked like he was losing a swimming leg to Sean.

- Sean/Paschal -- It could be them, but I can't see them winning a physical challenge where swimming is involved. Talk about a double whamy for these two.

That left me with Neleh/Zoe and Tammy/Vee

I'm going with Tammy/Vee as slightly more athletic than Zoe/Neleh so I'll go with that pairing, although it's close.

I actually got Kathy right the last time, so hopefully my picking of reward winners is better than my recent skill of picking bootings.


"Kathy/robert"
Posted by smiles on 04-25-02 at 01:16 PM
Kathy is a strong competitor. She will make up for Rob's weakness.

Pappy will slow Sean down.

Tammy will miss a beat and Vee will slow her down.

Neleh and Zoe will be a close second.

Of course these are all guesses!




"Pappy and Neleh"
Posted by PagongRatEater on 04-25-02 at 01:23 PM
They are the peas in a pod and I think their story line really emerges this week.

"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by jancan on 04-25-02 at 02:11 PM
Neleh and Zoe are shown walking together at the back of the group in the infamous "Tammy IC necklace at the beach" photo. I think it's because they 'bonded' at the reward.

I think Zoe has shown a soft spot by her inability to lie well and her efforts to keep peace in camp (when Robert was hurt, first to go help Kathy when she found food, sadness when Neleh and Paschal went to Maaramu, etc.) I think she will cry.

Zoe has the strength to do it and Neleh has finally shown us that she can be a competitor.


"Tammy/Vecepia"
Posted by sleeeve on 04-25-02 at 03:00 PM
In the preview, Tammy is shown turning back, as if she forgot something. In the classic MB editing, this clearly means that she wins.

Additionally, there is a pic of the reward where someone with a body-build similar to Tammy appears to be dancing.

Putting these together, I predict that Tammy will win (with her partner, Vecepia).


You never know what might be up my sleeeve...

"Paschal and his partner (Sean)"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 04-25-02 at 03:18 PM
Two Peas in a Pod

"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by true on 04-25-02 at 03:36 PM
Sticking with my first impressions.



~ true

True friends stab you in the front -Oscar Wilde


"Zoe/Neleh"
Posted by scante60a on 04-25-02 at 03:39 PM
I don't know why....

"zoe/neleh"
Posted by janisella on 04-25-02 at 03:49 PM
that gives the rest a chance to discuss getting rid of zoe.

"Neleh/Zoe"
Posted by bergdogg on 04-25-02 at 04:05 PM
Just going with the flow


BUD SELIG SUCKS!!!! SAVE THE TWINS!!!


"Tammy/Vee"
Posted by AyaK on 04-25-02 at 04:34 PM
Again, I agree with sleeeve's logic above. Plus, I think Kathy is going to have to drag Robert, and neither Zoe nor Neleh is in the same league of competition as T/V ... and Pappy isn't someone who can be flung around by the superior athlete Sean. Thus, I go with the T/V pair, which will serve as a beginning for the next change in game flow beginning in E10.

"Vote totals so far...."
Posted by AyaK on 04-25-02 at 04:38 PM
This is post #36, summarizing 35 votes. I changed the vote "just" for Neleh to a vote for Neleh & Zoe, and also changed the votes "just" for Tammy to votes for Tammy & Vee.

Neleh/Zoe..........14
Tammy/Vecepia..11
Kathy/Robert.......6
Sean/Paschal......3
Neleh/Paschal......1 (???)


"Tammy & Vee"
Posted by ejm92 on 04-25-02 at 05:23 PM
Well, going on logic with the preview, plus AyaK and sleeve are great convincers.....alternate pick, Neleh/Zoe.

"Tammy and Vee"
Posted by IceCat on 04-25-02 at 05:34 PM
Based on the preview pics

"Vee & Tammy"
Posted by Blueville on 04-25-02 at 06:32 PM
Bahhhhh

"Robert and Kathy"
Posted by shakes the clown on 04-25-02 at 07:28 PM
using deductive reasoning, this one was quite easy to figure out.

First, there are very few absolute truths in the world, very few obvious facts....but, you don't need to be Jimmy The Greek to know that black people Suck with a capital S at anything that has to do with being in the water. Its a friggen scientific fact of life. So, that eliminates two teams right off the bat.

That brings us to R/K vs T/V. For this round we are going to play the crying game. We have a pretty good idea that heleN probably has no problem shedding a few tears now and then, and we know that Kathy probably cries during Sunday football games when the mandatory United Way commercial comes on, so that brings us to Robert and Zzzzzz. Robert is an unlikely crier in any situation, but the simple fact is that Zzzzz isn't even a human being and therefore incapable of showing any emotion whatsoever. So, push comes to shove, my money's on the macho wannabe vs the tin man.



"FINAL Vote Total"
Posted by AyaK on 04-25-02 at 08:30 PM
This is post #41, summarizing 39 votes. I changed the vote "just" for Neleh to a vote for Neleh & Zoe, and also changed the votes "just" for Tammy to votes for Tammy & Vee.

Neleh/Zoe..........14
Tammy/Vecepia..14
Kathy/Robert.......7
Sean/Paschal......3
Neleh/Paschal......1 (???)