My friends and I noticed recently that Zach and Toni have crossed the line from unintentionally hilarious to actually filling us with such loathing, anger, shock, and embarrassment that it can put is in bad moods for hours....

The "Zach in white headband at breakfast" scene in particular, nearly drove me headlong into the mouth of madness... he reminds me so much of this guy I knew in elementary/jr. high school, he was a wrestler(of course), and so dumb he actually looked like he was in physical pain the vast majority of the time, but still found the time to be this really kind of pathetic, inept bully--- it's hard to explain, he was so achingly stupid you weren't afraid of him, but at the same time that uncanny mix of moron and mouthiness aroused this very unique kind of hatred, bordering on disgust. (Scott Speagle was his name, If anybody has the pleasure of his company now please encourage him to try out for season 2)--- When I listen to Zach it's like I'm thrown back in time 20 years, the way they act is so freakishly similar, which is especially pathetic considering Scott was 10 years old at the time. Not only that but it brings back those same EMOTIONS that I haven't felt since I was in the 6th F***ing grade, and they just don't COMPUTE very well in my "grown-up" mind, you know? I mean, it's just not every day, as an adult, you run into another adult with whom you are going to have interactions on such an unabashedly infantile level.

Toni on the other hand...never knew anyone like her as a child, thank Golly, but she also can put me off my feed for long stretches - that "prance" that she did when she came back for her "visit", with her arms out and her saline bags akimbo...THAT is the QUINTESSENTAIL "I really, honestly HATE this human being" moment for me. I can't really explain that one either, I mean there's no shortage of amazingly sh!tty, hypocritical, self-delusional things the she's said and done to fixate on, but when I saw that one part something just...tore inside of me.

But here's the ironic part... This show kicks my @ss across the room. I look forward to it when i wake UP on days it's on. (Yes, i know it's wrong, but this is the internet and I can be honest)...and the scariest thought of all is that when it comes back next year, what if they fill it with people we actually LIKE? How F***king BORING will that be? We NEED the @ssholes most of all, they are TV crack.

Can you imagine a hotel of Kavitas? All that put-togetherness and emotional maturity might lead to some scandalous...level-headed discussion about tax reform.

• RE: Do Toni and Zach ruin you for the night??,hardbody, 09:58 AM, 09-10-03
• RE: Do Toni and Zach ruin you for the night??,managerr, 11:14 AM, 09-10-03
• RE: Do Toni and Zach ruin you for the night??,Chrissy gal, 05:48 PM, 09-10-03
  • RE: Do Toni and Zach ruin you for the night??,sbeck, 06:45 PM, 09-10-03

So relieved that someone else in their 30's is hopelessly addicted to this ridiculous show! Nice to know I am not the only one from my age bracket watching these guys make complete fools of themselves! Pure evil gigglefest at their expense... Dave rules! I hope he wins, don't care who with - Charla or Tara...

No, I've watched so many heinous villains on so many reality shows that I've learned to detach. I'll just come on here rant, and be done with it.

Zack is one of the most vile reality show contestants ever though. I don't feel the same way about Toni. She's just a psycho and I laugh at her more than anything. Tara handled her the best on Monday--calmly tell you disagree, refuse to fight with her and she goes off fuming in frustration.

I'm with you on this one. I didn't watch the episodes when the "originals" returned, I recorded one of them and did fast-forward throught most of it.

I do have to say that having a few Kavita types would be really hysterical. She was on a little known Reality show called Exiled!2 and she was so funny! She is a little naive and can be funny accidentally. She also can make fun of herself, and that is even better.

I am disappointed that the only likable girls on this show are snotty Charla and air-head Tara. And the likable guys are too serious. Couldn't they cast some likable people?

Chrissy gal

"Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr

I would have liked to have seen more of Kavita, too. But I don't think Charla is snotty. I think she's just quiet. Yeah, Dave and Keith are serious, but I like them anyway.