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"ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by thetornado on 05-23-05 at 05:48 PM
GO TO www.ring99.com they say Fraza fighting Brent and Ishe fighting Anthony. Is this true??
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"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by adam17 on 05-23-05 at 05:54 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-23-05 AT 06:15 PM (EST)

Yes that is true the matches have been changed on the official site and Ishe will be fighting Bonsante!!!!!!! leaving Brent to fight Jeff Fraza

"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by thetornado on 05-23-05 at 07:03 PM
Good, I hope Anthony beats the crap out of Ishe. All you people who hated on Anthony because of how he acted and think Ishe is so great, I read on one of these message boards how Ishe sued his own mother. How low can you get? GO ANTHONY!!!! You saw by the fan favorite poll just how many people didn't like Ishe, he needs to thank Joey for stepping out.
"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by eup on 05-23-05 at 07:08 PM
Sweet this should be a ez victory for ishe but i hate 2 see bonsenta get carreyed out in a body bag. go ishe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-23-05 at 07:20 PM
I read on one of these message boards how Ishe sued his own mother.

Yeah, well did the person provide any proof or were they just spouting off? Sorry, I'm skeptical about EVERYTHING without any proof.

Believe only 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read.


You saw by the fan favorite poll just how many people didn't like Ishe, he needs to thank Joey for stepping out.

That's because flaws were found in the voting system and there were programs made by people to fix the voting. Why do you think Jimmy & Tarick got the most votes? There is no way in the world that those two were the favorites of all that have been eliminated so far.

We had one poster on here saying how they checked the Yahoo! site one night and saw the percentages. The next morning, Tarick's percentage saw an enormous change. Enough to make it impossible for real people to have been voting that night.

We had another poster who wrote a script to test if the voting was fixed and he ran it for a little while to vote for Jonathan and it worked.

The percentage Ishe got was on pure votes and he made it into the fan favorite mathcups.

I guarantee that they changed the matchups, (1) because the producers or whoever figured out the voting was fixed and (2) because Anthony & Ishe both made it into the 2nd round before being eliminated.

"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by renoguy on 05-23-05 at 07:38 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-23-05 AT 07:42 PM (EST)

moved

"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-23-05 at 07:46 PM
Actually, yes, Ishe was poised to sue his mother. It's a complicated story, but she was his manager and he wanted out of the contract. In the event, she let him out of his contract anyway. The two of them do not speak.

I believe it was the Nevada commission which forced changes in the match ups. EPMB genuinely seemed not to know what was going on at first. "All I care about is ten boxers are getting paid," he said to Ishe.

"RE: ISHE FIGHTING ANTHONY"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-23-05 at 08:03 PM
Well see now, that's too bad. I can understand boxer/manager issues. It's really too bad when you mix family with your career, it doesn't always work.

EPMB probably doesn't handle the details of the matchups, voting, etc. It's not really his expertise. I'm sure he was depending on others to do their jobs there, I mean, it's not as if EPMB has control over the flaws of Yahoo voting and other factors.

"Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-23-05 at 07:19 PM
Hi, just got back from the weigh-in/press conference at Caesars. It is my understanding that the Nevada commission refused to sanction Bonsante/Fraza because of the tremendous weight differential. As a result, the fights were re-ordered this morning. Fraza will now fight Cooper, Ishe will fight Bonsante, and Salmaci and Lange will go at it as planned.

I have to say, I have been to a lot of weigh-ins for a lot of big fights, and the atmosphere for this one was off the hook. Lots of fans in attendance; it's amazing to see guys like Brent Cooper treated like rock stars. Alfonso and Peter had the biggest cheering units with them. (Oh, and I sat just behind the beeeeee-autiful mrs. Manfredo. Who appears to be pregnant).

My boy Ishe looked absolutely ripped. As he flexed after weighing in, Sly (who was MC'ing), let slip an, "Oh, my God," which was pretty funny.

The press conference was funny as there was hardly any real press. (Mostly because EPMB told media they would have to sign a ridiculous four-page contract in order to be crdentialed). The NBC guys were trying to get me to ask questions, but I was there as Friend of Ishe, not as a representative of the press.

Ishe, of course, talked the most smack, basically saying he didn;t like or respect Anthony, and that he thought he, not Tony was the #1 dad. (As, I'm sure, does every dad).

"That'll be a great fight," said EPMB to Ishe and he, Joe Goossen, and I stood around before the proceedings began. "Yeah, it'll be a great fight," said Ishe. "As long as it lasts."

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-23-05 at 07:27 PM
Man, I wish I could've been you for one day! I wish they'd show those fights on TV! It sounds like you had the best.time.ever.

I wish Ishe (& Alfonso too! My other favorite) all of the luck! He won't need it though, I'm sure!

Oh, and I sat just behind the beeeeee-autiful mrs. Manfredo.

As a woman, even I'm not ashamed to say how beautiful that lady is! ...and their daughter? Is equally as beautiful!


~ Do you know if they changed the payouts because of the lineup change?

How do Sergio & Peter look? Do you have a favorite between them? I really like Sergio, but Peter is a great fighter.

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by eup on 05-23-05 at 07:36 PM
Luckey!!!!! and yes Mrs. manfredo is totally hot actually alot of contenders have hot wifes correct me if im wrong but didnt brent cooper have a hot gf idk but jessies wife has nices titeys but shes built like a cow
and awwweeeeeeeeeee i cant help but smile when i think about manfredos cute lil daughter shes soooooooooo cute
"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-23-05 at 07:37 PM
I have to say, the Salmaci women are easy on the eye, too ...

I don't know about changes in purses. I asked Latoya, and she didn't know, but assumed that Ishe would be getting more $$$.

It was kinda weird for me today, having to hang around on the "wrong" side of the banner until Ishe showed up and snuck me in. The whole media arrangement for this thing is messed up. The commission is having some real trouble with them too: the latest is that the producers want to reduce the number of doctors at ringside, because to have the full complement would interfere with the set.

BTW, the fights have been moved from outdoors to inside because it is SO hot here. 102 degrees.

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by renoguy on 05-23-05 at 07:43 PM
"It is my understanding that the Nevada commission refused to sanction Bonsante/Fraza because of the tremendous weight differential."

According to www.ring99.com, Fraza weighed in at 152 and Bonsante at 159. Is that too big a difference to santion a fight?

Also, I dropped by a Reno casino to see if there were any odds for the fights. I couldn't find any posted. I thought there might be betting interest in the Jesse/Alfonso fight and was surprised I didn't find any odds. Do you know if there is betting in Vegas?

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-23-05 at 07:54 PM
The word was that, as of yesterday, Fraza only weighed 150, and was told he had to make at least 152 to be able to fight. And yes, seven pounds is really too much of a difference. Contract weight was 159, give or take a pound.
"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by ARnutz on 05-23-05 at 07:45 PM
Ishe showed up and snuck me in.

LOL! Don't let Mark Burnett find out!

...the latest is that the producers want to reduce the number of doctors at ringside, because to have the full complement would interfere with the set.

Boy, they'll do anything for reality TV, huh? This could be a huge issue if one of those guys are really hurt during the whole thing.


102 degrees!!! Yikes! Thank goodness they're moving the fight inside. Those guys would pass out by round 3!


Thanks for all of the info & be sure to keep us updated.

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by madkata on 05-24-05 at 02:29 AM
As always, VFW -- thanks for the insider/up-to-the-minute news!

And Go ISHE! Hope your/our boy does well

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by stephs47 on 05-24-05 at 09:38 AM
So, those of us who are unable to see the 3 undercard fights....will we find out who won the fights on the finale or can we streamline them from an internet site? VFW....make sure you tell Ishe good luck, I hope he knocks Anthony out!!! Glad to hear that Peeta and the Mrs. are expecting...hopefully it will be a boy and we will see more great Manfredo boxing. VFW, can you call who you think will win the main event? Who looks better after having almost 8 months of rest? Well, as everyone knows, I am a HUGE Manfredo fan....can't wait till he comes back to the East Coast so I can go watch him fight. GO MANFREDO, all the way!
Thanks to everyone for the info!!!!


p.s. Does anyone know what the deal with the c-main event? Will we see it tonight on TV or not?

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 05-24-05 at 10:33 AM
Something else other than weight is going on here. Don't kid yourselves. They wanted a better undercard.

Think about this.....If Fraza has to move down than why is Cooper not moving up instead of Ishe? Cooper had more votes. Fraza's weight has anything to do with it.

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by VegasFightWriter on 05-24-05 at 11:03 AM
Because it's already clear that Cooper vs Bonsante is a mismatch. If the Nevada commission starts turning the screws, and saying, "You can't have this mismatch," you don't dig another hole for yourself by offering them a rematch of another mismatch. My understanding is that, after Nevada nixed the first pairing, the producers went to Ishe and Bonsante and suggested the two of them meet each other, and they after some monetary negotiations they both agreed. Yes, this way makes for better and more even fights, but had Marc Ratner not pushed them into making the changes, they would have been perfectly content to allow this double slaughter to take place.
"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 05-24-05 at 11:27 AM
The new matchups are much better, I was just saying that Fraza's weight was just an excuse. Something else was going on and sounds like I was right.

Cooper vs Bosante again. That would be just horrible. But who knows Manfredo avenged his lose vs Gomez.

We could have a true Rocky story of David vs Goliath!

"RE: Yes, it's true, and other news"
Posted by GoFraza on 05-24-05 at 12:55 PM
Well I have been reading these posts for the past couple of weeks and because I don't have an internet account I couldn't chime in. Then I realized My sister was on here so I finally get to voice my opinions. I am Jeff's cousin and I belive you all under estimate him just alil bit. He is a tough boxer andyes he hadtocome up 2 or 3 weight classes for this but he is talented and has heart. And gee he has a kid too maybehe is the number one dad.. sorry had to take a dig at the anthony fans that seem to use that for their entire arguement.

Personally I hope to see Jeff shine and take it to Cooper. ##### for the other fights I hope anthony wins and I have no real favorite in the tarrick lange fight. Jessie Alfonzo should be a great fight as well as the Manfredo Mora fight. I only wish the top figts had moved to a ten round fight. You would think a $1M would warrant that lenght. time to fly gotta watch my Cuz!!! Lets Go Fraza!!!!!!!!!!!!