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""Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"

Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-29-03 at 10:13 PM
Okay, this is my evaluation of tonight's show, so Left Coasters need to respect the filler that I'm putting in here now. If you click here, you WILL get my expert analysis before you actually see the show.

Okay, enough?

Ralphie May - the winner by FAR. I was coming out of my seat I was laughing so hard, and your Iron Dawg just isn't that easy to impress.

"LINE 'EM UP!!!" He was just hilarous, whether "going off" on his rant or his prepared jokes. It looked natural, it was funny, it was part and parcel with today's times (note to shakes: Unlike Dave Mordal, Ralphie did a GOOD job with Mideast humor). Not to mention that I agreed with what Ralphie said , but he really was the best.

Dat Phan - I was disappointed. I've seen him do better. He forewent the physical humor, went back to the "my mom" humor. Bad move, Dat. You're almost making Bebo sound right about you.

Tess - So sorry, but I expected more. She just didn't get there for me. I dunno, the stripper jokes and such just didn't ring. Everyone else was cleaner.

Rich Vos - The only thing I can really say about him (beside the fact that he barely made me laugh), was that his material looked and sounded like every other comic out there. Very milquetoast, very run of the mill, very ordinary, very "easy to fade into the background of thousands". He wasn't BAD, but he just didn't stand out from any act you can see at your local Comedy Club.

Cory Kahain - her material had potential... but then seemed to let down with the punchlines. I'm sure that the women of this board (*waves at Bebo*) enjoyed her material more than I did. She wasn't BAD, but I was hoping for more, and I'm sure she has more within her.

If Ralphie doesn't win, then he wuz robbed and jobbed!




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


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"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Bebo on 07-29-03 at 10:39 PM
Ralphie May - the winner by FAR.

I was thinking about you during his routine, because I thought if that didn't get you to like him, nothing would. I was shocked at how quickly he won me over. He was ON tonight. I wasn't overly impressed with him before tonight, but he set the bar so incredibly high when he started off the show. He is so natural up there, it's obvious that his statement that he's more comfortable on stage wasn't just mere words.

Dat Phan - ...You're almost making Bebo sound right about you.

He had a tough act to follow, and he didn't follow well. And ending his routine with a joke from one of the challenges was not a strong finish.

Tess - So sorry, but I expected more.

Total agreement with you there.

Rich Vos

Had some moments, but I kept waiting for him to really take charge like Ralphie did, and it didn't happen.

Cory Kahaney - I'm sure that the women of this board (*waves at Bebo*) enjoyed her material.

* waves back *

Yeah, I did enjoy her. But I think Ralphie earned the win tonight, and I really hope he gets it. You could feel it in the crowd too. They gave each of the comics a standing ovation at the end of their routines, but with Ralphie, they were jumping out of their seats before he finished. For the others, it felt like there was a flashing sign instructing the audience to stand.


Bebo, Queen of the Backwoods and your American Idol PTTE co-champ


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by okdebi on 07-30-03 at 00:04 AM
Just wanted to agree with the fact that Ralphie did look comfortable on stage and also, he can work the crowd so well! The other comics all just seemed nervous to me, particularly Dat Phan & Rich Vos. Vos surprised me since he is such a veteran...I think his material actually was funny but he seemed to have a presentation problem.

I was extremely disappointed in all the comics actually because I thought they would be much funnier in this last attempt to win. I mean, this should have been "no holds barred"! Dat Phan blew me away last week and this week just annoyed me with his mom humour and old jokes. Tess would be great on an HBO special but the stripper part of her routine just seemed to go on too long. I think she does have potential though. I did like Cory...she was funny.

All in all, I guess I would go with Ralphie also but I feel that Cory wasn't too far behind.

Debi


"totally disagree"
Posted by shakes the clown on 07-30-03 at 00:07 AM
First of all, I thought the ALL sucked.

But, with that said, the only one that I laughed out loud more than once or twice was Voss, and I think that was about 4 times.

Dat, didn't laugh one time, just sat there shaking my head at how horrible and repetitive he is. He even finished with a joke he already used on the show.

Tess, didn't laugh once out loud, she just sucked.

Ralphie, laugehd out loud one time. He obviously saw Dat work too many times cause he basically resorted to yelling his material and repeating the same sentence 3 times in a row over and over again, kind of like that kid in 3rd grade who uses the word "very" in a paper 150 times so he can make the 500 word cutoff. And his whole bit about wanting oil from the mideast didn't have any affect on me cause I've been saying the same thing since all this crap started with Iraq. And I sure as ##### don't need to stretch it into a five minute yell-athon. he sucked.

Korey, I laughed out loud a couple of times, her opening joke was the best opener of the night...the "i Love the hours of this job" bit.

Overall, an absoultely horrible episode.



"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-30-03 at 12:07 PM
because I thought if that didn't get you to like him, nothing would

Just a quick clarification that I never disliked Ralphie... in fact I loved his stuff during the auditions (and I think I might have posted to that effect, but don't remember). I figured Ralphie to be a top contender for the title.

My only beef was Dat Phan vs. Dave Mordal. I don't think Mordal is funny, I didn't like any of his routines, I didn't like him in the house. Bebo will not be happy to hear this, but when Vos came out (and I tried to be fair and give Vos an equal "hearing"), I realized that I was REALLY glad that Mordal wasn't one of the Final Five, and laughed inside again at how funny it was that Dat Phan whipped him in direct competition...




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Bucky Katt on 07-30-03 at 02:02 AM
For the most part, I agree with you Dawg.

Ralphie: His 5 minutes was the best - he really had the house jumping and him being first made it tough on the rest of the comics. I wonder though if his bit being political in nature may alienate some voters. Also, I'm not sure I would enjoy an hour long set from Ralphie - you can only shout so long.

Dat: I think tonight he was exposed for not having enough experience and material. Not a bad bit but not as good as the last two weeks.

Tess: She seemed really nervous to me. I felt like it took her 2 or 3 minutes to get relaxed and by then she was already too far behind the other comics.

Rich: I thought his bit was good, not great. To me his act is too New York and I don't think it will translate well across the country. I thought he looked nervous too.

Cory: I think of all the comics, I would enjoy seeing her doing a one hour set the most. I felt like she was barely warmed up when her time ended. Having said that, I think she was only 2nd best on the night. And what was with the make-up? She looked better without it - I found it distracting.

The part that really bothered me is that they are having a 2 hour show NEXT week. Why not have it this week? We could have had each comic do a 10-15 minute set! What are they going to show for two hours next week? Just tune it at 10:55 for the final vote count.

This has been a good show and I hope we get a sequel next summer.

"How fascinating for you. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm due to make a deposit at the local savings and litter box."


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-30-03 at 06:26 AM
I wonder though if his bit being political in nature may alienate some voters.

You bring up an interesting point, that I was also thinking of as he said it last night. I was wondering how the political humor would go over, especially as it put Ralphie on the "conservative" side of the line, political-correctness-wise. Of course, that was all part of the schtick.

But it went over well. First, I'm sure that most of that audience is in Vegas on vacation, and therefore would represent an area larger than south Nevada. I also realized that Ralphie had tapped into something in the mood of the American Public. To read this board, one would think that the nation is 80% liberal... but the truth is that it's not, and that Americans are solidly behind the war effort in the Middle East.

Ralphie wasn't making his audience laugh, he was making them cheer! He was leading them on in a motivational rah-rah pep talk session. And it worked. They clearly got behind him.

Will he lose some votes? Probably, from the very bitter Leftists that wanted the madman Saddam kept in power and America humbled by 9/11, that wouldn't be laughing at anybody's jokes on this show. But by and large, I'll bet he's tapped a wellspring of support. It was not only good comedy on Ralphie's part... it was good strategy!




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by triednottowatch on 07-30-03 at 08:58 AM
I personally thought Rich Voss was by far the funniest of the comedians. None of them had just super strong material, but Rich made me laugh the most.

The whole Ralphie May diatribe just didn't do it for me as comedy. The audience wasn't laughing, they were cheering because he hit a political nerve. This is supposed to be last "comic" standing, not last motivational speaker standing. If the audience votes for the funniest comic, then Ralphie won't win. If they vote for the one who says things they agree with and want to cheer for, then he's got it won.

I think lots of the posters here have formed an opinion of whom whey like the best and that is who they tout as funniest. I tried to put all that aside and watch the routines with a willingness to laugh at whoever made me laugh. That happened to be Rich Voss.

The bottom line is, I still think Dave was the funniest comedian in the house, and if you put all 10 on a stage and let them do 30 minutes, he would make me laugh the most by far.


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Bebo on 07-30-03 at 09:19 AM
I think lots of the posters here have formed an opinion of whom whey like the best and that is who they tout as funniest. I tried to put all that aside and watch the routines with a willingness to laugh at whoever made me laugh. That happened to be Rich Voss.

As a huge Dave fan, I went into the finals with a huge "prove it" chip on my shoulder. Your points about the motivational speaker side of Ralphie were valid, but he hit the mark on political humor and worked the crowd better than the others. I thought Vos had solid material but, like Dawg said, his presentation seemed off.

I had liked Tess before last night, and I don't think she delivered, so I'm probably harsher on her performance last night than a lot of folks would be since I came into it with high expectations.

Which ones from the series will I go see if they come to my local comedy club, or will I make a point of watching during another TV appearance? Definitely Dave, probably Cory, and Rob Cantrell. Rob wasn't ready to win this competition - he needs more seasoning - but he's got a lot of potential in my mind. I could have also seen a sitcom about Rob teaching kindergarten being quite funny.


Bebo, Queen of the Backwoods and your American Idol PTTE co-champ


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-30-03 at 12:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Rob Cantrell who chose to go up against the formidible Ralphie May in their direct competition?

I thought Rob was just fine, as good as most of the others. If he'd picked someone else instead of Ralphie to go up against, he very well might have been Final Five material. (That's assuming the producers haven't rigged this thing, which is a very real possibility considering some of the direct competition outcomes...)



Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Bebo on 07-30-03 at 04:35 PM
I thought Rob was just fine, as good as most of the others. If he'd picked someone else instead of Ralphie to go up against, he very well might have been Final Five material.

Rob was toast, given who voted for him. I don't think he's at the point in his career where he would have beaten any of the alliance that voted for him.

But I hope he sticks to it, because I think he's got potential. And I also think he has the type of personality that could fit in well in a sitcom. I just think this competition came about 2 years too early for him. But I'm going to keep an eye out for him, because I would like to see him perform in the future.

Bebo, Queen of the Backwoods and your American Idol PTTE co-champ


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-31-03 at 06:53 AM
Well, Rob might have been toast, anyway, but I was just trying to say that if he'd not chosen Ralphie... if he'd chosen Dave or Rich Vos to go up against (if he could've chosen them, I can't remember the actual voting), then I think he'd have had a better chance. Rob essentially committed game "suicide" by choosing Ralphie May, and I think he knew it.

And I also hope we'll be seeing more of Rob in the future.




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by theresnothingfunnyaboutignorance on 07-31-03 at 04:54 PM
coming from a "leftist"-

if a leftist has a problem with his rantings, its not because he supports the war, it's WHY! and what he said...commenting that he would line up "all 15 countries" and take them out...as if each country is the same...wanting cheaper gas is not a reason to invade a country...seems a bit imperialist, no? (finally, his jokes were flying by so fast, but i thought i noted some inaccuracies in his jokes related to the various middle eastern cultures-i could be wrong about that).

I was DISGUSTED with Ralphie's set for the reason you liked it. that he had "tapped into the mood of the american public" ...was he being satirical, i hope? but there wasn't enough in his delivery to indicate that, and that hurt. i think the audience really believed him, and they bought it, and (as my friends from other countries have mentioned to me) demonstrated the typical egocentric, ignorance-is-bliss, it's-all-so-very-black-and-white kill-every-last-one-of-em "mood of the american public." as soon as he said that line about "all 15 countries" i knew people had really stopped listening.

i actually support the war, but not so we get cheaper oil (although i believe that IS why we got into it) i am not bitter, i have a sense of humor. please don't feel that every liberal blindly opposes the war. you're right, we are in the vast minority, which is why we have to shout that much louder and seem that much meaner.

finally, to be fair, ralphie has been my favorite up til this show. I think he is very talented, although his repetitions are a little much. i was just very dissapointed with tonight's show.


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by tvgeek401 on 08-01-03 at 02:55 PM
i agree with you completely. i'm glad that i wasn't the only one.
smiles
the tvgeek

"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by dickie cox on 08-03-03 at 07:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>Ralphie wasn't making his audience laugh, he was making them cheer! He was leading them on in a motivational rah-rah pep talk session. And it worked. They clearly got behind him.

It seemed more like a Nazi rally to me.


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 08-03-03 at 08:32 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-03 AT 08:37 PM (EST)

It seemed more like a Nazi rally to me.

Beyond the obvious attempt to label conservatives and conservatism with the "Nazi" label, it's obvious you have no idea what "Nazi" really means, or what naziism really is. It's a SOCIALIST doctrine. Anything BUT American conservatism.

By the way, is this your only handle? Or are you a regular poster here with a new handle just to spew this political stuff (with me as the target) on this thread?



Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Lisapooh on 08-04-03 at 01:15 AM
I don't mean to speak for dickie cox (subtle name btw there dickie), but IMO the Nazi analogy was probably a straightforward reference to Ralphie's "line 'em up" bit about annihilating Arabs for the sake of cheap gas rather than a masked assault on your political affliation.

You know - that whole genocide thing.

Aren't we supposed to be nice to new posters?



"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 08-04-03 at 06:06 AM
but IMO the Nazi analogy was probably a straightforward reference to Ralphie's "line 'em up" bit about annihilating Arabs for the sake of cheap gas

Even so, it's a bad analogy, not to mention a blatant, cheap shot attack upon conservatives.

Aren't we supposed to be nice to new posters?

Sure, when they deserve it. But when they walk in the door and their first post is a comparison of American conservatism to (socialist) Naziism, then my desire to get the truth out exceeds my manners towards said offending newbies.



Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by theresnothingfunnyaboutignorance on 08-04-03 at 03:47 AM
dickie and i are two different people (were you talking about me?)

hi dickie, and thanks.

survivin' dawg- don't feel so persecuted. I would've said what i had to say even if you hadn't written ANYTHING. but you did. and my husband was tired of hearing my rants and i needed to blow off steam...


"Let's keep discussion on topic..."
Posted by IceCat on 08-04-03 at 09:13 AM
Discussion on the last couiple of posts have drifted away from the show. Please keep your remarks on topic.
Thank you.

"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 08-04-03 at 09:31 AM
>Beyond the obvious attempt to label
>conservatives and conservatism with the
>"Nazi" label, it's obvious you

It's only obvious in your own mind. To everyone else it was pretty obvious it was a reference to Ralphie's stupid set.

Drop the hair trigger Dawg, it's really getting tiring...

-SB


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Mistral on 07-30-03 at 10:42 AM
Mr. Dawg, I have to agree with just about everything you said and you have the three hour advantage on me.

I've been liking Ralphie since day 1. He says what needs to be said. I thought he got a little bit repetitive during his routine last night but he was on a rant 'n' roll so it worked. I think he had the audience too.

Dat was a real disappointment. He's funny the first couple of times you see him, but after that his mother-apeing just gets old. Very weak performance last night, unless the audience was just seeing him for the first time.

Tess and Vos I thought were adequate, nothing more. I was ready to be more impressed by both of them but wasn't. I thought Cory smoked though, and would put her at a strong #2.

Can't see a 2-hour finale though.


"My take"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 07-30-03 at 11:06 AM
My opinion for what it is worth:

None of them made me roll on the floor laughing. I'm going by who got a smile or chuckle out of me.

Ralphie: I'm sorry, I'm apparently the only one but I don't find him funny. I have never liked comics who feel the need to scream their material. He basically just said the same 3 lines over and over. (I'll also admit that as soon as he started in with the I'm sick of I immediately thought of OT yesterday, suddenly didn't seem so funny.)

Dat: Only saw the beginning and end since local news broke in with a severe thunderstorm alert (apparently they got lots of complaints because they made sure they only did it during commercials from then on). What I saw seemed just a variation on his other routines. Funny first times, not so funny anymore.

Tess: Again, didn't pay close attention since I was battening down the hatches. Not impressive. Could have done without the demonstrating of lap dancing (not what it looked like she was doing)

Rich: I kept feeling like I heard everything he said before, and not from him. I expected something sharper, maybe a little more topical from him.

Corey: Only one that gave me a chuckle. Again didn't seem as sharp as it could be.

Overall: Missed Dave Mordal big time. I think he would have blown them all away.


"RE: My take"
Posted by Lisapooh on 07-30-03 at 11:35 AM
Before last night I only saw the show sporadically - so I went into the show last night with practically no expectations for anyone. Which is good because I would have been disappointed if I had expected anything much.

Ralphie: He had the crowd behind him, that's for sure. I just didn't think he was funny. It was comedy by assault. I don't like being yelled at and I don't think screaming the same phrase over and over again is particulary amusing. He definitely was the crowd favorite though. But he wasn't mine. He is a one trick pony - so are Dat and Tess for that matter. It just doesn't appeal to me.

Dat: huh? He needs Ritalin. I didn't laugh once. He is the only one of these that I'd seen do a set before (against Dave). I thought it was ok then - but this is just a variation on that. It might not have been the exact same material, but it was the same premise, same delivery. My least favorite of the night.

Tess: she sucked too. So you're a fat girl? Is this your whole act? Just like Dat & Ralph- don't you have anything else to be funny about? Any insights? anything? I don't know if she was nervous or having an off night or what but she seemed to kind of phone it in.

Rich: I think he was funny. There was no spontaneity to it though. He's got the "been there done that I'm a miserable human being" vibe going. Most comedians do I suppose. Nothing particularly fresh or innovative about him. He's a serviceable working comedian. But I would have no interest in seeing him in a series or anything else.

Cory: she was my favorite. But she's easily relatable for me. I like her delivery and material. It wasn't a laugh riot but she would be the only one of these five I wold want to see live and the only one I think would be good on a sitcom - simply because she wouldn't have to carry the sitcom on her own. Like Bonnie Hunt she could just be Cory and have the whacky co-worker and family around to react off of. She's not blazing any new territory either, but she would be my choice.

Ranking:
Cory
Rich
Ralphie
Tess
Dat


"RE: My take"
Posted by SurvivinDawg on 07-30-03 at 12:20 PM
Could have done without the demonstrating of lap dancing (not what it looked like she was doing)

Thanks, AZ_Leo! You just gave me an epiphany about why Tess was disappointing:

Before last night, Tess' humor was more "positive". She'd be saying how sexy she was, how everyone loved her, her "voluptuosness", etc. And she'd have those little flirtatious poses at the right time to help her comedy along.

Last night, she did just the opposite: Self-deprecating humor about her size. She conjured images (in my mind, at least) of fat girls in a dark and sleazy strip joint, cheerlessly working lap dances in front of fat old men in wilted business suits. Then she expanded on that dark scene. It was all downhill from there...




Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


"RE: My take"
Posted by tvgeek401 on 07-31-03 at 01:51 PM
my two cents about ralphie:
Why does he need to yell all the time? Did no one teach him about an "indoor voice"?
AZ, you're not the only one who didn't find him funny; i agree with you.
smiles
the tvgeek

"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by FesterFan1 on 07-30-03 at 11:28 AM
LAST EDITED ON 07-30-03 AT 12:28 PM (EST)

Alright, since we're all giving critiques, here goes...

Ralphie: Subject matter notwithstanding, I thought he was the best of an unoriginal bunch. I recognized the humor in his routine, just didn't make me laugh...much (you know how we libruls are a humorless lot). Don't know if I would've gone political in a contest, but I think he'll win.

Dat: Fell flat on his face. His inexperience really showed. His delivery was too fast and too choppy, and the material was not-so-great (except for the Vietnam Vet dad bit, which had potential). I think he has potential as a comic. He just needs a lot more practice.

Tess: Predictable. She got a chuckle or two out of me, but I've seen her routine before, and it doesn't change much.

Rich: Even more predictable. You know what's bad? When you know what the punchline is going to be before it's delivered. I knew the punchlines to his jokes after the first sentence of each bit. Just bad.

Cory: Not bad, not great. Also felt her delivery and the set-ups for her jokes weren't so good. Very anti-climactic.

Overall I think that I've just seen too much of these people. It's like listening to a comedy tape for the 10th time. You know what all the jokes are, so you smile and nod and think "Oh yeah, that person made me laugh once". The person I really missed in this format is Rob. His humor is so out-of-left-field that it doesn't get stale. Too bad we got him so early in his career. I think if we had gotten him after he'd been doing it for 8 or 9 years, he would've won. Well, at least he would've won my vote.

I still think Dave was the funniest.

Fester


"RE: "Line 'Em Up!!!" (Spoiler inside)"
Posted by Hollywood on 07-30-03 at 12:06 PM
I'm with the disappointed group. Before the show I thought Ralphie was the funniest and that Dat had earned his way into the top 3.

Ralphie was not as funny tonight. He had me laughing a few times, but did seem a little off and seemed to take a calculated gamble on the War angle. Not bad, but didn't live up to my expectations (which were very high) based on his earlier performances.

Dat came back to earth. I originally thought he didn't have enough material, then he had a great performance with little planning time against Geoff. But after tonight it now looks like the second performance needed to be his final act. So I think their choosing him to go up a second time actually did make him use up his best material. He still has great potential, but didn't think he deserved to win last night.

By that point I was so disappointed I had lost my excitement. Tess was nothing special to me. Made me laugh a few times, but also seemed a little off. I get the feeling (may be wrong) that Tess thought early on in the competition that she could win, but then got intimated by how well Dat did (and Ralphie) in the head to heads, and started doubting whether she could win toward the end.

Rich was pretty funny as well, but seemed nervous.

Cory is pretty consistent. Usually funny, but not hilarious and never weak.

I'm not compelled to vote for any of them, but if I had to vote I'd go with Ralphie based on the entire series. The question for me is whether I'll get the motivation to watch it again and see if my opinions change.

I also think that if Dave had survived and gone last (after the performances we saw in final) he just may have won.