did anyone notice that in that last board room, Trump did not evaluate the final task? usually he tells them who won the task, gives them feedback, etc (remember last season he said that Rebecca catered too much to Yahoo and not enough to the charity)
anyway I was thinking maybe that he really wanted to hire Sean but maybe Lee did a decent or better job on the final task so Trump decided not to bring it up at all, and instead just asked each one- why should I hire you?? (remember that ##### Liz from Lee's task was even smiling and saying Lee did a good job)

any thoughts?

• RE: Re: Why didnt Trump discuss the final task AT ALL?,mikster, 12:18 PM, 06-12-06
• LEE did not deserve to be in the finals...,singer, 12:26 PM, 06-12-06
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Well I think if he evaluated the final task he would have gave away who he would pick for the Apprentice. But also I think he wants as much attention on him and as little on anyone else!

I think Lee just needs more experience and then he would make an amazing Apprentice. I mean you cannot compete with a guy who makes million dollar deals. I'm sure that impressed Trump from the beginning. Anything to do with money gets Trump's attention.

LAST EDITED ON 06-12-06 AT 12:27 PM (EST)

Maybe The Donald did not discuss the task because Lee's drubbing by Sean was so complete that nothing constructive could have been learned from it.

One contestant from the show has stated publicly that Lee was not as good as at least 9 of the other candidates. (Go to Television Without Pity for the complete transcript of this series of statements.)

If this is true, then it is true that Lee was not a stellar player. According to this position, it can also be argued that Lee did not deserve to be in the finals, and that editing, rather than merit, placed him there.

--Singer

true but if Lee performed so poorly on the last task, Trump would have said something like, "lee, you were a disaster" and then would have given him great reason for hiring Sean. It does seem like there were contestants better than Lee along the way who got fired.

Yes, Trump has never refrained from saying So&So is a disaster before. I think they should've talked more about the task too, but I bet that it was left out because the finale was shorter than it has been on previous seasons...which tells me we needed a longer finale not shorter finale.

Now that you mentiion, it is odd that he didn't mention anything with the final evaluations. I think it didn't need to be said. Lee didn't complety fail the task, but there seemed to be a lot more problems and worries on his side if the thing would fall through, and I think he raised less money on the car auctions. Maybe Trump wanted to raise the suspense with who to hire because it was clear Lee wouldn't be.

Yeah but they also showed alot of negative footage of Sean- like Tarik bashing him for meeting with Tammi to go over the menu instead of the pontiac execs, Pontiac being annoyed over the lack of signage etc, Sean leaving key decisions to the rest of his team. while on the other hand the charity in Lee's task (Liz) seemed really happy with his outcome. I would have expected Trump to comment on all of these things, Lee not being there to meet him, maybe something about Lenny, who knows. I also was curious to how they actually did on the tasks. one thing did seem a little unfair- with the auctions of the cars, Sean had a huge advantage b.c he was in atlantic city where people were in a spending/gambling mode, people were drinking etc. people are going to spend more $$ in that setting than at an ice skating rink.

Yeah, but those things turned out to be relatively minor on Sean's part. Lee seemed to just bumble his way through the task hoping for a happy outcome. At least he didn't completely fail, but he didn't shine at all.

>tasks. one thing did seem
>a little unfair- with the
>auctions of the cars, Sean
>had a huge advantage b.c
>he was in atlantic city
>where people were in a
>spending/gambling mode, people were drinking
>etc. people are going to
>spend more $$ in that
>setting than at an ice
>skating rink.

Lee could only blame himself for that. He could have fought hard with Sean to secure himself the Atlantic City Task. Instead, he just gently gave that task to Sean without even putting up a fight. Trump has previously fired many candidates based on the reason that he doesn't think they are tough enough to work in New York. Lee didn't show his toughness with his unwillingness to fight hard for his advantage.

>Lee could only blame himself for
>that. He could have
>fought hard with Sean to
>secure himself the Atlantic City
>Task. Instead, he just
>gently gave that task to
>Sean without even putting up
>a fight. Trump has
>previously fired many candidates based
>on the reason that he
>doesn't think they are tough
>enough to work in New
>York. Lee didn't show
>his toughness with his unwillingness
>to fight hard for his
>advantage.

True, yet an executive needs to make quick decisions too, and Lee said he didn't mind picking the other one because he is versatile. Showed he was willing to take the bigger risk, than the guranteed thing.

Taking a bigger risk does not make him good at the Apprentice game.

Bottom line for me: Lee sucked big eggs.

Tarek is posting on another message board about how bad Lee was as a player.

Interesting that I saw no postings like this about Randal last year, even though some people excoriated him for not giving away his clear win to Rebecca last season.

--Singer

But at the time Trump mentioned the tasks, Lee had no way of knowing which would be the better task.
atlantic city was far away - he could have been thinking it would be easier to stay in manhattan- or that he really didnt have a preference at all.

of course we will never know what trump thought about any of this- the decisions of which task, how they performed etc since he completely blew off discussing the task

Trump first asked Lee which task he wants, and he said the Bare Naked Lady task. But when Sean says he wants the same task, Lee just gave the task to him.

Well, the way I saw it Lee knew Donald Trump was looking forward to the Barenaked Ladies task, so he took the other to try to prove he could make the other task just as good the Barenaked Ladies one Donald was more interested in. That was the risk.

And I guess Tarek's opinion is his opinion. When the candidates voted, it was pretty much split 50/50 though. There was no doubt Lee sucked compared to Sean on the last task, but who is the better fit longer term for Donald was really what everyone should have been thinking of. Lee could be easy to mould into, and Trump seems to like the young inexperienced kids - Andy from Season 3, whom he later hired by the way.

I didnt know that Trunp hired Andy- that is very interesting. how did you find out?

also does anyone have the link to the Tarek comments?
I feel like Tarek loves to stir up controversy- the way he was bashing Sean during the final task, etc.

go to www.televisionwithoutpity.com

Tarek is posting under the "Maniac" moniker on his thread. His tone is straightforward and apparently truthful.

I am pretty convinced that his statements are true, and I'm usually a very hard sell on issues related to evidence.

And by the way, he speaks very highly of Sean and of Sean's abilities in this thread. So the television editing "thing" that some of us have discussed here becomes even more glaring in the face of these statements.

--Singer

Singer,
I read Tarek's postings on the other site. They definitelly give an interesting perspective about what goes on in the show behind the scenes. One thing that is very apparent when reading his postings is that Tarek is a very intelligent individual. He expresses himself really well and he makes some really good points regarding his behavior/decisions on the show, as well as the behavior/decisions made by some of his cast mates. Whether you agree with his reasoning or not, I can understand his line of thinking. Based on what I've read, I think he got a really lousy edit. He was made to look inefficent and unintelligent. The whole MENSA thing was definitelly blown out of proportion.

and he got a lousy edit, like you said, Josh. I'll bet that this happened to a lot of cast members, not just during this season.

It would have been a better show if they had let Tarek and some of the other smart players advance to the finals.

When the producers try to sell the viewers a pre-determined story line, everyone loses out.

--Singer

Does he say why he thinks Trump had it so into him about MENSA? I mean Trump even mentions MENSA in the finale to Tarek.

LAST EDITED ON 06-19-06 AT 04:15 PM (EST)

The only thing Tarek mentioned about Trump's fixation with the MENSA thing is that Trump doesn't really know the candidates, so he tries to remember who they are by a distinctive trait (ie Lenny is the Russian, Charmaine is the hot one, Lee is the politician, etc.). This explanation makes sense to me. Could this be the reason why Trump and his cronies didn't remember Pepi??

Based on Tarek's postings, I didnt get the impression that Tarek was bothered by Trump's comments. He comes across as being a very intelligent and confident man. He's probably thankful he didn't win the nefarious title of "The Apprentice". That makes me wonder how many of the candidates actually go on the show to win. Is it possible that many are just playing along to show off their skills and have no intent of actually winning the damn thing?

Yeah, probably just to get exposure. I just keep hearing of candidates even the people who didn't win nor were second place who got job offers based on their time on the show.

>That makes
>me wonder how many of
>the candidates actually go on
>the show to win. Is
>it possible that many are
>just playing along to show
>off their skills and have
>no intent of actually winning
>the damn thing?

I know this is true. Many candidates are not on the show to win. I know a friend of one of the contestents from a previous season. This contestent was on the show to further their acting career. This candidate was happy they did not win.

As far as showing off their business skills. That is part of it for others. Think of the promotion you get. Before the show you are Joe Q Public after the show you are a celebrity....makes selling your business much easier after being on national tv. Like they say....any publicity is good publicity....these candidates are smart....they are getting publicity whether it be for their acting or business.

I found out about the Andy hiring through the reality news and boards. Heidi Dressler from Season 1 is also working for Donald. I talked to her about it at the fishbowl site.