Warning is great when it's a friend....but I think Emily's doing it for nefarious reasons... I just don't like people who do the sneaky behind the back cutdown... I actually respect Courtney more than Emily... The female contestants do that alot, including the supposed sweet girl Kacie B (the Brunette).

No. I think her little quips are all hers. I've had people in my life that were like forces of nature and after spending time with them, you get the sense of lines they like to use.... so the producers just notice types knowing their personalities, put them in a room and watch the powder keg ignite. They might push their buttons, but I don't think they feed the girls lines... I do think think that they might feed the bachelor lines... and strongly suggest who to keep.

Bob Guinea was kind of a clown and a reject in the previous season, so it really hurt the integrity of the show when he was suddenly the desired bachelor. It's like if Screech was suddenly featured as the Hunk on a show.

It kind of annoys me when the show does that.... sure the catty and villainous might be catchy...but I'd much rather watch the eye candy.... we're not watching this show to feed our souls or intellect. It was so annoying watching people I'm not attracted to like Blakely and Monica... just like if you were forced to watch 80 minutes of Bob Guinea and just 5 minutes of Jake.

Watch Revenge...you're welcome in advance. The pilot was boring...but the show really picked up in later episodes when it was about rich beautiful people doing bad things to each other.

Courtney's quips fit her snarky personality very well, so if they're not original they were given to her by somebody who knows her pretty well.

Emily might seem to be skating on thin ice by squealing on Courtney over her behavior, but the previews seem to indicate that somebody else squeals on her too, and Ben gets concerned enough to talk to her about it. So if he did pick her in the end, he's gotta be feeling pretty stupid watching these episodes and seeing her obnoxious behavior.

Snarky, lol. Yeah.

As off as Courtney's personality is, still think she's too good for Ben. It's funny watching these girls that act like he's a prize when they wouldn't give him a second look if the show hadn't put him on the dhow. He's a drip. Ben just wants to sleep with Courtney...so I don't think he's looking for a true heart. That's why it's inane for these girls to "tell" on Courtney...they should just worry about their own game and not Courtney's. As much flack as Brad Womack got, I still felt like he preferred the nicer girls and wasn't as blinded by sex (either hot physique or throwing themselves sexually like Blakely). Brad's final four girls were pretty darn demure and sweet by Bachelor show standards.

I liked Brad better (much) than Ben, too.

Ben said in an interview that he let Jennifer go because he knew she was not The One. He also knew how much she liked him and didn't want to lead her on.

I really wonder about Ben's guilt for skinny dipping with Courtney. It was done in a voice over like it was added later. When did he start to feel regret? Was it when the scenes started showing in ads for the show. Was it just a way to clean up his actions by showing regret when the public didn't like what they saw?

I just keep thinking about Ben's sister and mother. His sister is the one that wanted him to do the show orginally. What must they think of Courtney?

Courtney doesn't want Ben. She wants to win. She was practically making fun of him. She is talking to the camera and wondering if he ever went skinny dipping with a model. Like little old Ben would never have had that great opportunity because he is a nobody compared to her. Why does she have to keep reminding everyone she is a model? Probably because we would never guess if she didn't. There is nothing special about her.

Ben's ego is getting out of control. He is treating the women nasty. Waving the rose in Elyse's face to give her hope before booting her. Telling women to tread lightly. Who does he think he is?

Who does he think he is?

I think he's someone ripe for rejection at the end of this season. Especially if he picks Courtney.

I just watched it again. Just before the rose ceremony, Jennifer pulled Ben aside. They talked about their one on one date (swimming in the pit) and Ben excitedly said that it was "Rad!" and Jennifer agreed. Jennifer said that their conversations came so easily and flowed so freely, they felt so comfortable together. Ben agreed. They had a make out session. Then, he didn't give her the rose.

He just had to make out with her once more before dumping her because, "She wasn't the one." ???

I remember how bad many of us viewers felt for Ben over the way Ashley rejected him. Now after watching his behavior on this season, I think that's just what the ba$tard deserved and that Ashley was too nice for him. He's an arrogant a$$hole, and he's not as considerate of the girls' feelings as he'd like you to think. I don't think he wants there to be the same kind of rejection scene in his finale that there was in Ashley's with him, but I think that's because he doesn't want his image to be smudged, not because he really gives that much of a $hit about the women. I don't think he even gives that much of a $hit about Courtney. He wants to bang her, nothing more.

Exactly. After huffing and puffing about how Ashley rejected him, His Majesty rudely dismisses one by putting her in a car (forgot her name) and then picking up a rose and not giving it to Elyse (who foolishly, imo, gave up her job and gave up going to her BEST friend's wedding).

VERY dumb move by Elyse. No guy wants to have a potential guilt trip like that hanging over his head all his life ("Look how much I gave up for you!"), so it's no surprise Ben cut her off at the knees and got that over with before she ever got started if he wasn't that into her. But he could have let her down a lot more gently. For somebody who was rejected himself, he's not very gentle with his letdowns, and that surprises me.

It surprises me and, honestly, it disgusts me.

Maybe a nice guy like Adam Sandler (who buys his friends cars and lucrative jobs and is really nice to his girl) would have taken that into consideration, but we're talking about Ben here. Imagine if Ben had been given even more power...imagine what his behavior would be then.....

No, thanks. Just the power he has as the Bachelor has gone to his head and transformed him into Super A$$hole. If he thinks being dumped himself gives him any license to be a heartless jerk, he's in for a rude awakening if he pulls that attitude $hit on his eventual choice. Even his precious hurricane-brained Courtney would dump his a$$ pretty quickly if she has to put up with his "my $hit doesn't stink" attitude, and he's not smarter than her by enough to realize that.

OPEN. I was getting so sick of Ben using that word in every conversation. He kept saying "open" no matter what he was talking about.

And what he means by "open up" to him and what the words mean to others ain't quite the same thing. To him, "open up" to him means to put your heart on the line and kiss his a$$ and tell him how wonderful he is without him doing any real opening up in return. He's not really looking for a permanent relationship, he's looking for a parking place for his d!ck, and to somebody like me who would do anything but sell his soul for a chance at some of those women, he's a pretty contemptible sort of a guy,

Just take a shot everytime he says "open" and you will be better able to handle the pain.

Even though, he's a drip...for some reason this season is pretty entertaining... though you guys are further along on the episodes than I am..... only so many hours in the day. I have to watch it in 30 minute increments. I wonder what would happen if they injected a Brad Womack or a past Bachelor....and have a bachelor faceoff...would the girls still choose Ben?

I think the only shot I might take related to this season of the Bach is a shot of Jack Daniel's, when I hear of Ben and his choice breaking up. This is not about finding love, this is about Ben and Courtney going through the motions to get their money and their publicity, and banging each other every chance they get until Ben either chooses another girl or chooses Courtney and gets dumped. They are using each other, and I'm not sure which is the greater tool.

> I wonder what would
>happen if they injected a
>Brad Womack or a past
>Bachelor....and have a bachelor faceoff...would
>the girls still choose Ben?
>

I wish they would do this more often. It is how they started Byron's season. He was one of 2 bachelors and the women got to vote on which one they wanted to stay. Instead of that, it might be interesting if they just had 2 bachelors all season. The women would have to make their mind up on which one they preferred and the men might fight over some of the females. The men would have to be nicer to the women since the females would have another choice. It might keep their egos in check.

Yeah, it would spice things up a bit...kind of like the Survivor duel. The guys' egos would be totally stung...and they would act differently trying to woo the girls. Right now, Ben is way too comfortable. He's an average looking guy that's walking around like he's JFK jr, tongue kissing almost every girl and dismissing them like used tissue. Unfortunately the face-off happened in the lost season...Byron and the other guy and that crop weren't as attractive... Would Bob Guinea even gotten any attention if he had to go up against Brad or Alex Michele... My only qualm is that they should have some kind of check against the alliances thing that totally ruins the Bachelor Pad every time, where a bunch of people who aren't really attracted to each other pair up just to wield power... this show should still be based on attraction and romance (however superficial it is)...