Yeah when they were laying on the couch and she "accidentally" (yeah right) brushed his crotch....I was waiting for her to either just grab him and go for it or for her to just grab his hand and shove down her dress that was already about to fall off....did you catch the camera man getting a glimpse of her white panties or slip or something?

So if you are keeping score, this now makes Smile-essa

a money grubbing, chain smoking, no grape picking, no cooking, can't tell onions from garlic, baby washing mercenary, cleavage showing, white panty wearing, mattress dancing, smiling her silly ass of all the time DAW!!

Hope I didn't miss anything

And BTW Swami...I kinda like the idea of you being easy

"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

I'm cracking up! Thanks for the insightful summary of Melissa's character.

I hope all of the young women watching last night's episode understood the important moral message presented. Just because you have sex with a man does not mean he will continue to date you. It does not even mean that you are guaranteed a piece of nice jewelry.

Fox could have just made a significant moral statement for young women, empowering them to JUST.SAY.NO. Don't make the same mistake Melissa did.

Can we retitle this episode "A Very Special Joe Millionaire"?

I can't believe I wrote all of that garbage down without barfing!

Yeah and we could do it just like all those sitcoms do when they have a "message episode" about drugs or something.

At the end of the show, Evan comes out and sits on the edge of a table and says "In tonights show, we had a young girl that was willing to do anything to get another date and a diamond pendant. But what most girls don't realize is that most men, including me, will go ahead a play a few quick rounds of "hide the salami" with you, whether they intend on giving you a diamond pendant or even asking you for another date. So all you girls out there just remember...get the jewelry...then do the humpty hump.....good night and Thanks for watching..(FADE TO BLACK)

ROFLMAO!!!

"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

"the sun setted ..."

"he couldn't have picked two more uniquely different people"

"he doesn't seem to be extraneously intelligent"

and yet, none of the ladies is even close to being as stupid as our doofus!

Welcome Lemon.

"he doesn't seem to be extraneously intelligent"

When Sara said this line, I was laughing so hard. This show is a riot!

I must say that I am a little perturbed the way the show handled this and the way this thread is going. Although it may have appeared that both Sarah and Melissa had sleepovers it doesn't mean that they did. This is Fox, is it totally out of the question that they edited it to appear that way? The editing from the first show on has shown Zora to be the one to cheer for and all others to be the ones to cheer against. Perhaps by making the other two seem easy it would help make Zora look even better.

Also, I sense a little bit of the Elimidate thing happening where the women are simply being competitive. If you have ever watched that show (I try not) you will see 4 women/men fighting over 1 man/woman who doesn't even deserve it! It is simply the competitive nature and not wanting to lose on TV. Perhaps this is why it appears that the women are throwing themselves at him.

Finally, I am sensing some sexism in regards to sex while dating. These women have spent some significant time with him and so the fact that they have chosen to spend the night (if they have indeed done that) is not that far out in regards to the dating world. I think calling Sarah or Melissa "easy" is a little unfair. Easy is meeting a girl at the bar and being back at your place in 30 minutes.

"I resolve to constantly assert my honest opinion on anything and everything - whether it's requested or not."

That's a very good point Bucky and I'm glad you weighed in here. As my DH and I were watching it last night, we were speculating as to whether or not Evan slept with any of them. Although he seems the type that would jump at the chance to get some, and the girls seemed rather willing (due to competitiveness more than actual feelings for the guy), I hope that HE would put a stop to it if only because he feels guilty.

You're right that FOX wants us to think that something happened and we are falling into that trap.

At the same time, falling into that trap is fun. As long as Melissa or Sara doesn't find this site, it's also pretty innocent fun to bash the contestants on the show.

I'm wondering if Evan is allowed to sleep with any of the women while he is perpetrating this hoax. I know the women signed a $5 million confidentiality agreement which probably included a clause about not being able to sue the show. But would any criminal charges exist (rape) if a woman slept with Evan while under the influence of the deception (I can't think of another way to describe the situation), and then, after finding out about the deception, cries foul because she wouldn't have slept with him otherwise? Is Evan, or are the producers, criminally liable if he misrepresents himself for the purpose of getting laid?

Is Evan, or are the producers, criminally liable if he misrepresents himself for the purpose of getting laid?

If so then it's boom season for trial lawyers in America...

Fester <-- doesn't think this is part of the Bush plan to stimulate the economy.

But would any criminal charges exist (rape) if a woman slept with Evan while under the influence of the deception (I can't think of another way to describe the situation)

Just studied this. There is a difference between "Fraud in the Factum, which means the victim didn't know the nature of the act, ie. OB-GYN saying he is using a scapula, but is using himself and "Fraud in the Inducement," where Sarah, er- victim knows the nature of the act but was merely induced due to fraud. Fraud in the Factum can be rape, but not if it is just fraudulent inducement. It makes a lot of sense really. Who of us hasn't puffed our "stats" a bit to entice a potential mate? The legal ramifications are mind-boggling otherwise.

*Disclaimer: This is not legal advice, nor do I condone frauding your way into the sack!*

Can I sue for poor performance? Cause, you know, guys misrepresent that too.

Unfortunately, you would have to have a contract and of course contracts for sex are illegal, as they are essentially prostitution.

But you COULD tell everyone you knew how horrible he is. Let him just TRY to sue you for defamation - he would have to prove it is false!

LMAO Pooh! You just made my day, sugar booger.

Mon

>Finally, I am sensing some sexism in regards to sex while dating.

I read a lot of comments about the "sleaziness" of the women if they did "do the dirty deed" but not much about Evan.

He knows he is lying to them. He knows he is playing on romantic fantasies (with FOX's money). And he knows he is supposed to pick only one at the end. He makes this big speech to the producer--complete with special effects--about never lying to get a women into bed before (what he's still a virgin or something?). If he had sex with either one much less both of them I think he can lay claim to a pretty hefty dose of sleaze himself.

Of course that is assuming he has the brain capacity to think through the consequences of his own actions, highly debatable or he wouldn't have done this show in the first place.

>I read a lot of comments about the "sleaziness" of the
>women if they did "do the dirty deed" but not
>much about Evan.

Some of us have just gotten tired of dwelling on his numerous flaws. I can assure you, my opinion of him has been quite low weel before this, but you're right that he deserves to be considered sleaze for his role in this as well.

Royalty, shmoyalty...EVIL rules!

I read a lot of comments about the "sleaziness" of the women if they did "do the dirty deed" but not much about Evan.
...
If he had sex with either one much less both of them I think he can lay claim to a pretty hefty dose of sleaze himself.

Oh c'mon, we all know that if a woman sleeps around she is considered a slut (or a whore) and looked down upon, whereas if a man sleeps around he is considered to be a stud and is looked up to by others.

Not saying that it's right, just saying that it is.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Melissa put my name to shame last night LOL

Yes my name is Melissa LOL and no thats not me on the show LOL

You are right about one thing Bucky.....they have known him long enough to decide whether they want to have a sleepover with him or not. I just think it was blatant the way that Melissa threw herself at his feet! One of the little interview segments they showed with her, she said that she was going to have to do something pretty quick because she didn't want to be the "little sister type".

She managed to do that alright....I guess my whole point is, that I don't think it was whether any of them have known Evan long enough to sleep with him, it was just the way that she went about it.

"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

LAST EDITED ON 02-04-03 AT 04:15 PM (EST)

I agree, Overlord. Length of time has nothing to do with it, IMO. I think the problem I have is that these girls knew they were on a TV show. They knew that millions would be watching what they did. If they had had sex with him because they wanted an itch scratched, I have no problem. However, if they had sex with him, it was to stay in the game. They wanted to make sure they made it to the next round, and one step closer to being exclusive with a guy they think is worth 50 mil.

Hey, sleeping with a guy you've only known a few weeks is OK, but could you seriously do it in front of national TV, knowing your friends and family would be watching? Also, what about the fact that he's possibly boinking 2 other woman at the same time? That would really bother me. If you want sex, fine. But try to be a little discreet about it. Also, I'd rather see these woman have a little more self dignity than to think they have to sleep with a man to make him like her.

Not that Evan deserves any of them. When Melissa told him he seemed like he didn't have a lot on his mind, she hit the nail on the head! I think the drool on his chin showed us all exactly what he had on mind.LOL The man acts like he's never seen breasts before. Geeeez! What rock did they find him under?

Edited for typos-lots and lots of typos. LOL

L8,

you said much more eloquently exactly what I was thinking....the legnth of time they knew him had nothing to do with it....Hell I know a couple that met one night felt an amazing spark between them ended up rolling in the hay the very first night, got married a month later, and this past may they celebrated thier 10 anniversary(no it's not me...but a close friend)! When they tell this story nobody thinks there were easy or sleezy...because they fell in love at first site!

These girls are doing it to get closer to what they think is a 50 million dollar payday! And just like L82LIFE said....none of the three of them know whether he is doing the mattress mambo with just them, or ALL of them!

That is what made what Smil-essa and Sarah may have(all put that in there because we all know how these shows can be edited)done with Evan become sleezy and cheap.

"It's only cheating if you get caught".....Al Bundy

I agree with you, L8. It's not the fact the any of the girls sleep with him, it's the fact that they go ahead and do it when he is sleeping with (possibly) 2 other women at the same time. And, these aren't just random women who they will never see, they are women that are all living in the same house.

I think both Sarah and Melissa "did" Evan, but only because they want that $50 million. I can't believe any woman would actually be "charmed" by this moron, since he has all the finesse and subtlety of a drooling 12 year old. Could he have been any more obvious about staring down Melissa's gaping cleavage?

Well last night Sarah showed the whole nation what she did.....Hummmers r Sarah.....and I thought it was funny if she wondered if that's why she got cut when she was talking to Melissa. Got to love the hidden cam's they had there....

Well....

Sad to say....I've gotten my freak on for a whole lot less than jewelry and pseudo-media-wh0re fame.

Perhpas that is why I would NEVER go on one of these shows. I have too much to hide and too many people from my past who would kiss and tell on Entertainment Tonight.

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I thought I'd put this information on this thread since it's about "doing" or "not doing".

I got a call last night from a friend who lives in LA and just last week had an audition at the Fox Studios. He was trying to find where his audition was to be held and found himself asking directions from someone driving a golf cart around. The golf cart driver said he didn't know where it was but for my friend to "hop in" and they'd find it together. The golf cart driver was none other than our little dork Evan. Now, my friend has worked for lots of studios, done a few flicks and is friends with a couple of the Nsync boys. He's very "Hollywood blunt" shall we say. So he and Evan are driving around looking for the right studio and making small talk when my friend looks Evan straight in the eye and asks "So...did that chick blow you in the woods or what?". (I'm used to this from my friend but even THAT forward of a question took me be suprise!) Evan looked at my friend for a moment said "Nah..." then leaned over and in a conspiratory whisper said "but she sure did touch it!"

I was rolling by the time he was done telling me this! Leave it to my friend to cut right to the chase and get a straight forward answer!

--can no longer deny she watches Joe M