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"I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-15-05 at 10:56 PM
What. a. jerk.

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"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Shadow1670 on 12-15-05 at 11:06 PM
Pretty classless, in my opinion. I was very happy when he won, but he has tarnished himself a bit, to me at least.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tarmaq on 12-15-05 at 11:08 PM
The shine is gone. He could have shown himself to be a really big man. Instead he just looked like an arrogant, egotistical, self-centered person who was just out for number one.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by butterfly34 on 12-15-05 at 11:16 PM
>The shine is gone. He
>could have shown himself to
>be a really big man.
> Instead he just looked
>like an arrogant, egotistical, self-centered
>person who was just out
>for number one.


So what he was looking out for himself. I probably would have gave her the job but I'm not going to knock him done for saying no. You have to be arrogant, egotistical and self-centered to work for DT. So I'm not mad at him.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 11:58 AM
>The shine is gone. He
>could have shown himself to
>be a really big man.
> Instead he just looked
>like an arrogant, egotistical, self-centered
>person who was just out
>for number one.


Oh you mean he's just like Donald Trump.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:12 PM
>The shine is gone. He
>could have shown himself to
>be a really big man.
> Instead he just looked
>like an arrogant, egotistical, self-centered
>person who was just out
>for number one.

What do you mean "the shine" is gone? You are a total racist and I don't appreciate that comment.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by nerovh on 12-15-05 at 11:30 PM
I am really disappointed in Randal. He wouldn't have lost a bit of glory by letting Trump hire Rebecca. In fact, he could have been the Apprentice AND the hero, but now he's just the JERK.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by mythmargaret on 12-16-05 at 02:22 AM
good one - - you're totally right on. He is SUCH a J E R K!!!!!
I'm not even wanting to watch the show anymore I'm so mad.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by acceber on 12-16-05 at 02:33 AM
I'm right there with you...I am SO PISSED right now...
He's so self-centered, a JERK and an A$$!!!!!!!!!
He lost all my respect!
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by majarias on 12-16-05 at 10:39 PM
I agree. I had a lot of respect for Randal, but after seeing what he did in the finale, I lost that respect. That was just low. Rebecca would be a great asset to any company she works for and you know, I believe she is going to make it bigger than Randal one day. Rebecca seems to be a very humble and intelligent woman. Eeven though she did not win this, I feel she has already won. Her name and reputation are out there, and she is going to go far!!!!
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by msee on 12-16-05 at 00:37 AM
Randal could have said so many things at that point, I was hoping to hear

There may be a place for Rebecca on my team one day or even throwing the ball back in Trumps court but I never expected that.

It was sad and I think we all now know how the last 13 weeks has changed Mr. Randal can anyone say SELFISH.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by irenie on 12-16-05 at 04:41 PM
Is that changed -- or revealed his true nature?
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by gmas55sad on 12-16-05 at 07:17 PM
I agree 100 percent!!!!!!
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by kedwards12 on 12-16-05 at 07:59 PM
As Trump said, to some this may be entertainment, but to him it was about finding good people to fit in his organization. The decision he made or wanted to make was about finding two highly talented individuals to bring into his organization. The decision he placed on Randall was nothing more than an executive decision, the kind of decision he will have to make everyday while working in the Trump organization.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by designpuppet on 12-16-05 at 11:22 PM
would you have called rebecca "classless" had she done the same thing?

the purpose of the show is to compete. for one available position, as the apprentice. after 13 weeks of hard work, why on earth should the winner be forced to share the spotlight?

trump was just an idiot in setting it up the way that he did. if he wanted rebecca, he should have hired her himself.

randal is a good hardworking (oh, and SMART, as we all know) person who did what any person with common sense should have done--he looked out for himself. he would have been a big softy had he said "aw, yea. lets hire her too". screw that.

had rebecca been in the same situation, i would have expected her to do exactly what randal did.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by kit05 on 12-15-05 at 11:13 PM
What a waste.

I was going for Randall, but happy that Trump was leaning towards hiring both. But it seemed that Randall was not willing to share the spotlight, so much for the "nice guy leadership style". What a blade!!!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by aja1231 on 12-15-05 at 11:13 PM
What a jerk is right. Totaly classless, arrogant, selfish and mean. He's off my christmas card list.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-15-05 at 11:25 PM
Sorry to disagree with you all but I'm glad he did it! I couldn't believe that Trump even posed the question to him. Why should he support hiring someone that clearly didn't win the competion? If Trump thought she was best, he should have hired her instead. I've never seen him ask anyone else to share the honor of being apprentice. Why now, why Randal? You can't tell me that the other 2nd place candidates were not as experienced or favored as Rebecca. Some would even say they were better qualified than the winners. Did Trump ask the winner if he should hire them. I don't think so.

The honor of being the apprentice is Randals' alone and should never have been up for any other consideration. Trump should be ashamed of himself.

Rebecca, even with her continuously growing losing record, had the nerve to say that Randal lacked focus. At least he knew enough to raise money for the charity, which was the whole point of the events. Rebecca was a great organizer and I dare say motivating leader at times. Unfortunately, she could not accomplish the tasks set before her so she ultimately failed at the job she was given--repeatedly.

Randal had no obligation to her or anyone else to support them getting the job. As he mentioned, the show is called "The Apprentice," not "The Apprenti." Finally, Trump knew he was wrong to even suggest Rebecca being hired, that was why he stood down in the end. He would've looked like a fool otherwise!

Randal, you did the right thing!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by AlexG on 12-15-05 at 11:35 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-15-05 AT 11:39 PM (EST)

>Sorry to disagree with you all
>but I'm glad he did
>it!


I agree with you. Why should Randall, the clearly superior candidate, share the honors? If he won, he won. Giving them both the job would detract from Randall's win. There can only be one winner. This is not a schoolyard game where everyone is given a prize for showing up. This is the big leagues- only one team takes home the World Series title.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 00:20 AM
yes however.. he certainly didn't prove he was the best in the final task..
"disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by joeblow on 12-16-05 at 00:59 AM
"share the honors? If he won, he won. Giving them both the job would detract from Randall's win. There can only be one winner."

I completely disagree with you. You are mixing up the show with real life. The purpose is to hire someone to help your company. And Trump had 2 excellent people he could have hired. But Randle showed his true colors’, selfishness. Rebecca will be no doubt get lots of well deserved offers and she will be a huge asset to any company. But Trump lost her because Randle made a selfish decision. She definitely would have helped Trumps company.

"just a little too coincidental..."
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 01:14 AM
Trump playing puppet master figured Randall being the nice guy would play right into his hand and allow Rebecca to start her project as well. A little ironic that each project was located close to home.. for both.
And.. when was there an apprentice that he gave up the projects.. before the winner was announced...
"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by AlexG on 12-16-05 at 04:35 AM
>"share the honors? If he won,
>he won. Giving them both
>the job would detract from
>Randall's win. There can only
>be one winner."
>
>I completely disagree with you. You
>are mixing up the show
>with real life.

I have to disagree. The purpose of the game is to win. Randal won and to ask him to split his win, is pretty lame. If Trump wants to give Rebecca a job, he can offer her any other job he wants, but he can't make her his Apprentice. That can belong to only one person per season.

"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by luv 2 lurk on 12-16-05 at 11:32 AM
I agree with you completely! I've lurked on these boards for years and never posted, but last night's poor showing by Randal promted me to vent! I was soooo disappointed by his behavior. I had really been rooting for him. As a business executive myself, I understand that a good leader puts the team's best interest ahead of his own personal gain. That is exactly what Randal should have done. Sure, hiring Rebecca may have taken away from his "spotlight" but it would have benefitted the Trump organization. I don't think anyone can deny that Rebecca would have been a tremendous asset. After all of Randal's glowing remarks about her performance, he must know deep down how dynamic she is.

And what was Trump thinking, allowing a new, unproven hire in his organization make such a big personel decision?! He's the boss, not Randal. He miscalulated that decision. Let's hope Rebecca gets hired on by one of Trump's competitors and helps force a hostile takeover of one of his companies. She's tough enough to do it...remember how hard she negotiated with Randal when selecting her team for the final task? That was one area where she clearly outdid him!

"Welcome!"
Posted by Angelfood on 12-16-05 at 10:53 PM
>I agree with you completely! I've
>lurked on these boards for
>years and never posted, but
>last night's poor showing by
>Randal promted me to vent!


Yay! Something good DID come out of the finale.

Made by me

"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by kedwards12 on 12-16-05 at 08:05 PM
I agree with you when you said this was about finding two great people to bring into the organization. However, the apprentice is a singular noun. There can be only one. I agree Rebecca can be hired on, but the show wasn't the proper venue for her to be hired on.
"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by designpuppet on 12-16-05 at 11:29 PM
everyone with this view keeps throwing around this word "selfish" describing randal's actions.

how is this being selfish?? he WON the competition. plain as day. that's it. it was totally unfair for trump to put him in the position of being painted as the bad guy anyway. the tension on that stage last night hurt to watch... the moment that trump did that, he trapped randal. but randal came out strong and did what he should have done.

have you ever worked hard for anything in your life? if you win something, it's yours to keep, not to share.

"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by sittee2b on 12-16-05 at 11:36 PM
You all seem to be neglecting to see the real Jerk here. You keep talking about Randal. Don't get me wrong I agree with you but the real jerk here is Trump. If he was just testing Randal then he did it at Rebecca's expense and without any consideration for her. If he was going to bring it up he should have already decided to hire her regardless of what Randal said or else don't bring it up at all. It was cruel what he did to Rebecca. She was not only let down once, but he elevated her hopes a second time just to let her down again. Trump is Trump. He makes his own decisions. He doesn't need to rely on his apprentice to make them for him. His hands were not tied. He's a jerk.
"RE: disagree RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Silvergirl1 on 12-17-05 at 03:24 AM

Well said. I agree completely. If Trump really wanted to hire Rebecca, he doesn't need Randal's okay. As a matter of fact, he could still hire Rebecca if he wanted to.

Welcome to the boards, sittee2b!


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by vickis on 12-17-05 at 00:33 AM
But the Team is Team Trump. Randall had been hired, and the contest was over. This was his opportunity to prove he was playing on Team Trump, that he understood decisions were to be made for the good of the organization, not for his own inflated sense of self and instead he proved that Trump had just made a huge mistake in hiring him. Randall will have to come down more than a few pegs if he's going to be working for Trump instead of running his own business. He will have to share the glory (in fact, he'll need to recognize that sometimes he won't get any of it!) and he just proved that's going to be difficult for him.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-15-05 at 11:37 PM
I've never seen him
>ask anyone else to share
>the honor of being apprentice.

IMO, he wouldn't have hired her anyway. It was Randal's opportunity to show some class.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-15-05 at 11:48 PM
>I've never seen him
>>ask anyone else to share
>>the honor of being apprentice.
>
>IMO, he wouldn't have hired her
>anyway. It was Randal's opportunity
>to show some class.
>
>
>


I actually think it was Trump that showed little class. He put Randal unfairly on the spot and asked him to do something that he's never asked anyone else to do. I bet the Donald doesn't feel Randal is too laid back and quiet now. He certainly spoke up when it counted!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 12:07 PM
>>I bet the Donald doesn't
>feel Randal is too laid
>back and quiet now. He
>certainly spoke up when it
>counted!


My sentiments exactly.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 07:37 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 11:31 AM (EST)

>I've never seen him
>>ask anyone else to share
>>the honor of being apprentice.
>
>IMO, he wouldn't have hired her
>anyway. It was Randal's opportunity
>to show some class.
>
>
>

Randal does have class. His Oxford creds provide an excellent case-in-point. His debating ability, which is directly connected to those creds, allowed him to wipe the floor with Rebecca's weak arguments as to whether she should be the Apprentice.

Would you suggest that Boyfriend Bill share the prize with Kwame? If not, why not?

A big problem in America is an unwillingness by the ruling class to play games related to wealth and privilege by one set of rules.

Randal definitely showed that he has "fire in his belly" by completely decimating his opponent. And he did this fairly and squarely without disparaging Rebecca personally. That approach provides an object lesson in what true class, preparation, and ability are.

Randal owes Rebecca nothing, and he won fairly and squarely.

The problem is with The Donald and Burnett and their efforts to destroy Randal's reputation. The biggest classless act was The Donald's only grudging acknowledgement of Randal's brilliance and ability. The second biggest classless act was Burnett's negatively editing EVERYONE who spoke up in favour of Randal.

Randal is not the problem. The Donald and Burnett are.

Period. End of Sentence.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 12:17 PM

>>I've never seen him
>>>ask anyone else to share
>>>the honor of being apprentice.


>> I keep saying the same thing over and over.


>Would you suggest that Boyfriend Bill
>share the prize with Kwame?
> If not, why not?

> Everyone who is pissed, know they would be pissed if Rebecca was asked to share the spotlight with Randal if she was given the win.


>
>A big problem in America is
>an unwillingness by the ruling
>class to play games related
>to wealth and privilege by
>one set of rules.


> Sooo true.

>
>Randal owes Rebecca nothing, and he
>won fairly and squarely.

>If Randal had not gotten her the win of the final
task would Trump had fired her or Randal? even though
she would have been the losing PM? She owed that win to Randal
He is far superior to her, just like Alla said.

>
> The second biggest classless
>act was Burnett's negatively editing
>EVERYONE who spoke up in
>favour of Randal.
>
>Randal is not the problem.
>The Donald and Burnett are.
>
>
>Period. End of Sentence.
>
>--Singer, you are so right.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by southern sam on 12-17-05 at 02:06 AM
TRUMP was looking as a way to get out of a possible law suit because of the broken ankel. Randal played the race card......Not a cool move. Public willremember
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-17-05 at 11:06 PM
>TRUMP was looking as a way
>to get out of a
>possible law suit because of
>the broken ankel.
> Randal played the race
>card......Not a cool move.
> Public
>willremember

Southern Sam,

I agree that the public will remember but exactly HOW did Randal "play the race card?"

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by kpsack on 12-15-05 at 11:49 PM
First of all, let me point out that the plural of "Apprentice" is not "Apprenti" but "Apprentices."

Second, from the very beginning of the season, I was a fan of Randal's. During the season, Rebecca earned alot of my respect.She stood up to "the blond bond group," showed great loyalty to not just Toral (who yes was a disaster) but also to Randal. They were quite the team and bolstered each other to the end. It became very clear that either one of them would have been great in the Trump organization.

Finally, I have been an avid watcher from the first episode of Apprentice 1 and can honestly say that there has never been a situation where the final two candidates have been so equal, so strong, and handled their final task so well. Every other season has seen someone mess up in the end.

To that end, Randal let me down and damaged the respect I had for him. So much for the nice guy image.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 12:56 PM

>>never been a situation where
>the final two candidates have
>been so equal, so strong,
>and handled their final task
>so well. Every other season
>has seen someone mess up
>in the end.
>
>Rebecca messed up by not getting a single donation, perhaps if she had, she would have been the one trump hired as the apprentice. I remember when Joe cancelled out on them Rebecca saying "who are we going to get for Yahoo" and Toral said no "it's not for Yahoo it's for Elizabeth Glaser". If she had listened she would have collected some donation and perhaps tied or surpassed Randalls donations.It's just like Randall said she loses the objective that's why her record as winning PM is so low.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by chickmeo on 12-16-05 at 02:53 PM
First of all, "apprentices" is NOT the plural word for "apprentice". "Apprentices" is an action word or verb; and "apprentice" is a noun; "apprenti" is the correct plural of this noun; so...the RHODES SCHOLAR WAS correct in his use of the word.

Randal's educational background, communication skills and ability to effectively "manage" by delegation would make him virtually invaluable to ANY hiring Fortune 500 corporation.

Personally, Randal does not need DT to be successful, he already is...he is/was already running his own multi-million dollar company. Randal probably has no intention of staying with DT long-term, he's too brilliant for that! I'm ecstatic that Randal will have the opportunity to pimp DT rather than be pimped -- because, in the end, Randal will be the biggest winner -- another tick on his resume, solid references to bid on MORE contracts (government), free advertising for his business, and ultimately MORE REVENUE for his company!

IMO -- DT is a border-line racist, not just towards Blacks, but towards all the other minorities, i.e., Asians, Indians, etc., as well with the exception of white women. DT PURPOSELY tried to vilified him by asking him to consider the hiring of Rebecca because he did not have the b***s to go against popular opinion and hire her himself. If Randal had said yes, he would have contradicted his previous statement about her needing more experience – which to me would have been an indictment against his integrity.

Rebecca was the back-stabber when she made the statement that Randal sometimes “lacked focus”, especially when he kept her focused as she was second-guessing herself while working on the ONLY project she EVER won as a Project Manager! And, while we are talking about focus, I think she clearly lacked focus on the last project that came off as a launching party for YAHOO than an Aids fundraiser. The objective of that entire task was to RAISE money and the only money she got (not raised) was from YAHOO – who helped sponsor the event.

If many of you can stop being emotional for a minutes, realistically, Rebecca was NOT one of the BEST two in this finale. I would not have hired her – she’s an a**-kisser, which indicates to me that she would probably do ANYTHING to get ahead, regardless of whether she’s earned it or not. Alla would have been better competition for Randal, but she had too much baggage for DT. Rebecca was in the finals because of DT’s infatuation with her and not because of ability. Was it me, or did anyone else notice that she closely resembles DT’s current spouse – LOL!

Repeatedly throughout the series, Randal has been tagged the "nice guy" so much to the point that even DT questioned whether or not he had the b***s to work for him. But, when he put his foot down about not wanting to share the limelight, he’s egotistical, selfish, blah, blah, blah! Randal won the apprenticeship fair and square so why should we expect him to share this feat w/a 2nd place finisher when no one else has had to do it in the past? In all honesty, how many of you would have done it – certainly not me! Go Randal – you won fair & square!!!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 10:05 PM
>IMO -- DT is a border-line
>racist, not just towards Blacks,
>but towards all the other
>minorities, i.e., Asians, Indians, etc.,
>as well with the exception
>of white women.

Heh heh heh.


> Was it me, or
>did anyone else notice that
>she closely resembles DT’s current
>spouse – LOL!


No it wasn't just you. I thought she looked like a younger
version of his wife too. Heh heh

> In all honesty, how
>many of you would have
>done it – certainly not
>me! Go Randal –
>you won fair & square!!!


I guess everyone thinks Bill would have said yea hire Kwame too. Give him a car too. Where is Randal's car any way?

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by mida on 12-17-05 at 01:34 AM
I agree with 90 % of your analysis, I however believe that Rebecca was a worthy opponent and she deserved to be in the final. On any other apprentice she may have one the whole thing. She however was not in Randal's league and could not (and should not)be declared an apprentice.

Randal had to make a split decision on something he could not have foreseen. His first instinct would be to protect himself, and since DT's only question about him was his mental toughness his obvious answer would be no. I would go as far to say it was the Randal's first test by the Don.

I also thought the Don was also unfair to Randal, it was always going to be a lose/lose situation. If he wanted Rebecca so badly he could have hired her the next morning, heck, he could have made a decision right after the show. After all he is the Don.

"Um, you sure about this?"
Posted by thndrkttn on 12-19-05 at 12:44 PM
"First of all, "apprentices" is NOT the plural word for "apprentice". "Apprentices" is an action word or verb; and "apprentice" is a noun; "apprenti" is the correct plural of this noun; so...the RHODES SCHOLAR WAS correct in his use of
the word.

Webster's seems to disagree with you.

ap·pren·tice (-prnts) KEY

NOUN:

One bound by legal agreement to work for another for a specific amount of time in return for instruction in a trade, art, or business.

One who is learning a trade or occupation, especially as a member of a labor union.
A beginner; a learner.

TRANSITIVE VERB:
ap·pren·ticed , ap·pren·tic·ing , ap·pren·tic·es

To place or take on as a beginner or learner.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English apprentis, from Old French aprentis, from Vulgar Latin *apprnditcius, from *apprnditus, alteration of Latin apprehnsus, past participle of apprehendere, to seize ; see apprehend

Where, if anywhere, does it state that apprenti is the correct plural form of apprentice?

In fact, do a dictionary.com search on the word apprenti. It doesn't come up. Why? Because it's not a word!!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 01:25 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05 AT 01:25 AM (EST)

>First of all, "apprentices" is NOT
>the plural word for "apprentice".
> "Apprentices" is an action
>word or verb; and "apprentice"
>is a noun; "apprenti" is
>the correct plural of this
>noun; so...the RHODES SCHOLAR WAS
>correct in his use of
>the word.
>

Sorry, but you and the RHODES SCHOLAR have it all wrong. According to dictionary.com, the plural for Apprentice is Apprentices. Apprenti is not even a word.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by peacenlove2u on 12-15-05 at 11:56 PM
Totally agree flower2!! If there was ever a tie it should've been between Bill and Kwame - that was a tough call - they were both good and people were divided. But come on - Rebecca was not even in the same league as Randal - no contest. Everyone agreed on that. Also - why should the first time an African-American wins suddenly he's forced to share the glory, and hence diminish his win? No way.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Akane on 12-16-05 at 08:40 AM
Actually, you are wrong; everyone did NOT agree that Rebecca was not in the same class as Randal. Rebecca's team stood up for her.
And what makes you think that race had anything to do with Trump asking Randal if he would hire Rebecca? There was not one single indication that this was the case. If race were an issue, why would Trump even hire Randal? He could have easily hired Rebecca if he was being racist, but he didn't. The race issue is seriously being overplayed here, because Randal WON and still people are bringing out the race card. If they wanted to slight Randal, they could have and would have. They didn't. Nor was there once any indication that they wanted to, or that race had anything to do with any decision made.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 12:59 PM
>Actually, you are wrong; everyone did
>NOT agree that Rebecca was
>not in the same class
>as Randal. Rebecca's team
>stood up for her.
>And what makes you think that
>race had anything to do
>with Trump asking Randal if
>he would hire Rebecca?
>There was not one single
>indication that this was the
>case. If race were
>an issue, why would Trump
>even hire Randal? He
>could have easily hired Rebecca
>if he was being racist,
>but he didn't. The
>race issue is seriously being
>overplayed here, because Randal WON
>and still people are bringing
>out the race card.
>If they wanted to slight
>Randal, they could have and
>would have. They didn't.
> Nor was there once
>any indication that they wanted
>to, or that race had
>anything to do with any
>decision made.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 01:01 PM
>>Actually, you are wrong; everyone did
>>NOT agree that Rebecca was
>>not in the same class
>>as Randal. Rebecca's team
>>stood up for her.
>>And what makes you think that
>>race had anything to do
>>with Trump asking Randal if
>>he would hire Rebecca?
>>There was not one single
>>indication that this was the
>>case. If race were
>>an issue, why would Trump
>>even hire Randal? He
>>could have easily hired Rebecca
>>if he was being racist,
>>but he didn't. The
>>race issue is seriously being
>>overplayed here, because Randal WON
>>and still people are bringing
>>out the race card.
>>If they wanted to slight
>>Randal, they could have and
>>would have. They didn't.
>> Nor was there once
>>any indication that they wanted
>>to, or that race had
>>anything to do with any
>>decision made.


Sorry people forgot to add my message before I posted.
Race had everything to do with wanting to do a double hiring

Randal was strong enough to trump the chump.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by gymnut on 12-16-05 at 00:14 AM
stick to blistex
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by mythmargaret on 12-16-05 at 02:30 AM
Trump was setting it up to hire them both: think of how many "rules" he broke this season, firing whole teams, groups of people, etc. Why not hire them BOTH? He made it clear how terrific they both were to him. He asked Randall because he EXPECTED him to say YES - HIRE HER, TOO - - Trump had great faith in Randall. I thought Trump looked disapointed in him for saying no. I believe he FULLY expected Randall to make the show a great surprise and let Trump hire two. It was a gracious thing to do to ask Randall. And Randall was severely ungracious. It was mean, because he held Rebecca's job in his hands - and he took it away from her. It would have been no skin off his nose to allow her that - he had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain by being magnanimous. WHAT DO YOU THINK REBECCA WOULD HAVE SAID HAD IT BEEN HER INSTEAD?...
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by imaar on 12-16-05 at 07:49 AM
Rebecca would have said, of course you should hire Randal as well, Mr. Trump...(imo)
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by ARnutz on 12-16-05 at 07:52 AM
That's because Rebecca knew he was better and she wouldn't have been sitting there in the final 2 without him! Let's face facts, she only won when Randal was on her team. Guess it's a good thing Alla ditched her as the weakest link.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 01:05 PM
>.
>WHAT DO YOU THINK REBECCA
>WOULD HAVE SAID HAD IT
>BEEN HER INSTEAD?...


I asked the same question too. Believe me she would have wanted
the glory all to herself. She had been stabbing Randall in the back in the board room a lot.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by imstartingoveralso on 12-16-05 at 05:21 PM
>>
>The honor of being the apprentice
>is Randals' alone and should
>never have been up for
>any other consideration. Trump should
>be ashamed of himself.
>
>>>Randal had no obligation to her
>or anyone else to support
>them getting the job. As
>he mentioned, the show is
>called "The Apprentice," not "The
>Apprenti." Finally, Trump knew he
>was wrong to even suggest
>Rebecca being hired, that was
>why he stood down in
>the end. He would've looked
>like a fool otherwise!
>
>Randal, you did the right thing!

I disagree! Randall is NOT the ONLY Apprentice, there were 3 others before him. And the job that would have been offered to Rebecca is NOT going to stay empty, it is going to be offered to somebody at some point. What would it have taken away from him if it were offered to Rebecca?
>


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by RealityOne on 12-17-05 at 00:29 AM
Lets keep in mind Trump didn't ask Randall if he should share being the apprentice or have a second apprentice. He ask Randall about hiring Rebecca. Obviously Trump wanted Randall to say yes. Randall is a complete moron for not following through as his new boss wanted him too. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot.

The reason Trump didn't hire Rebecca on the spot? Perhaps game rules...legal obligations?

Only one thing prevented Randall from saying yes...his ego. There is no other explanation.

As intelligent as Randal is, Rebecca's history is much more interesting...even if she isn't as intelligent(and we're not certain of that). Rebecca is truely one of the most amazing persona's I have ever seen.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 01:19 AM
I can't really fault him for not allowing Rebecca to be hired. That was a decision for Trump to make, not Randal. But, I was totally ROTFLMAO when Randal said "The Apprenti". Doesn't he know that the correct word is apprentices??
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Donald Chump on 12-15-05 at 11:26 PM
I was disappointed in what Randal did, given that Rebecca is a big part of the reason why he made it to the final 2 (although I'm not sure Trump would have hired them both anyway).

However, if anything he actually did her a favor because the second-placers have gone on to enjoy better success than the winners. The winners get locked into a $250K contract with all the constraints and clauses demanded by Trump and NBC, while the second-placer gets to move on to take advantage of various multi-million dollar opportunities.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by joeblow on 12-16-05 at 01:03 AM
Excellent points on second place coming up the bigger winner. I really liked Randle until his selfish response at the end. He lost all my respect because of that.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by shanana banana on 12-15-05 at 11:32 PM
I haven't posted here all season, but I was irritated enough at the end of tonight's show to log on to write.

I think it was Trump that was a jerk as well as showing an utter disregard for Randall by hiring him as The Apprentice, and then putting him on the spot by asking him if he should hire Rebecca too. WTF?? Why should Randall have to share the spotlight with her -- I loved Rebecca, but this is a job interview for ONE candidate only and Randall as the winner should reap all the rewards.

I am angry and I think it tarnished the ending of the show. Randall did not deserve to be put on the spot like that. He's trying to enjoy his moment, and Trump can't get over the hard on he's had for Rebecca all season and just let her be second. He couldn't even have the balls to make the decision himself and hire "double apprentices" -- he had to make Randall look like the bad guy.

I was so happy for Randall, and it quickly turned to embarrassment and anger that Trump had to ruin the finale this way.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by thetruth4real on 12-15-05 at 11:45 PM
THANK YOU!!

everyone is saying randal is a jerk. no he isn't! trump is the jerk! why should randal hire rebecca? let him enjoy his success. if trump wanted to hire her, he should have done so himself. now trump is the jerk, because of course all the simple minded will believe randal is one. booo trump!!

don't get me wrong i liked rebecca at first. but then it occured to me all she does is put on that fake smile. she can definetly hold her on in the board room, but that doesn't negate the fact that she had a losing record. and more importantly, she didn't raise any money!! i think it is funny trump didn't allow anyone to talk bad about the girl, i.e. not placing the lights on all the many candidates who stood up for randal, and cutting off alla.

if trump wants to hire rebecca so bad, then on the next season he should bring back everyone he feels he should have hired...troy!!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:25 PM
Give me a break. Do you think that Trump was controlling the lighting on the live finale?
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by RonReports on 12-16-05 at 12:21 PM
>I think it was Trump that
>was a jerk as well
>as showing an utter disregard
>for Randall by hiring him
>as The Apprentice, and then
>putting him on the spot
>by asking him if he
>should hire Rebecca too.

That would make Randall a jerk for agreeing to work for a jerk. Anyone can see from all of the messages here criticizing either Randall or Trump that Randall's decision harmed the reputation of both Randall and Trump. That could not be good for Randall's career as an employee of Trump. I predict that Randall will not last a full year as Trump's employee. He will probably leave for a better offer. No matter what any contract says, I am sure that Trump would let Randall out of his contract. Trump could say that Randall found a better opportunity and I did not want to stand in his way.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by shanana banana on 12-16-05 at 04:09 PM
??????

Trump IS an egomaniac jerk. He was before all of this, but he's more of one after what he pulledlast night. However, he is a rich jerk with huge business opportunities to offer people -- just because you work for a jerk doesn't make you one too. If that's the case, half of the nation would be jerks just because of who they work under.

This show presents a good business opportunity, bottom line, and good visibility for the candidates. But as far as Trump personally, he didn't get to where he is either by being Mr. Nice Guy or Mr. I'll Share My Limelight With You.

Please.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by southern sam on 12-18-05 at 03:03 AM
THE DONALD will remember everyday he see, hears, ect..., the name Randall. Randall dug his own hole, Hope he enjoys what his ego cost him someday!!! Five degrees sounds good but he only used them one year. Have knoweledge and useing is two different things.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-20-05 at 12:11 PM
Excellent post, shanana.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by DooWahDitty on 12-20-05 at 12:15 PM
Agreed. One of the better posts in this entire forum this season.


Sigpic by Seana

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by imaar on 12-15-05 at 11:40 PM
I just needed somewhere to say that I just lost respect for Randal forty minutes ago. I had a feeling Trump might hire both, especially when they both chose different projects. As Trump had said, while for some the show is entertainment, for him it is business. I believe both candidates were worthy for different reasons. And really, who cares if they are called THE APPRENTICE or APPRENTICES. Also, I think this actually is the first season where it was actually so close. I think Randal just made himself look like a big jerk. I had a lot of respect for him until that moment. I think Rebecca, at 23 years old, shows a tremendous amount of maturity and ability. Okay, so he has five academic degrees. Yes, that is amazing, but I am so sick of hearing about it! Anyway, needed somewhere to post my opionion. Thanks!
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by thetruth4real on 12-15-05 at 11:48 PM
i'll give you that about being sick of hearing his academic success (which is astonishing). but i am sick of everyone talking about her ankle. its not like it was amputated, and guess what is back working now. randal's grandmother died, but all we hear about is an ankle (that is now healed).
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by imaar on 12-15-05 at 11:57 PM
I have to agree with you on the ankle thing. It is true Randal's loss was surely devastating, Rebecca also had an obstacle to overcome. This is simply another parallel between the two candidates (IMHO)
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Jerome on 12-15-05 at 11:50 PM
I really didn't know who I would be rooting for in the end. I always liked both candidates. That was until the very end of the show. I lost all respect for Randall at the very end by how he handled himself.

Rebecca is a class-act all the way. I wish I could say the same for Randall.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 11:39 AM
"Rebecca is a class-act all the way. I wish I could say the same for Randall."

Well, I can say it.

Randal is a class-act all the way.

AND he has fire in his belly.

Surprise, surprise Donald Trump. You did not hire a lazy, shiftless, "below-the-radar" lackey, but rather, a strong, focused person who understands your game better than you do.


--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 01:32 AM
>"Rebecca is a class-act all the
>way. I wish I
>could say the same for
>Randall."
>
>Well, I can say it.
>
>Randal is a class-act all the
>way.
>
>AND he has fire in his
>belly.
>
>Surprise, surprise Donald Trump. You
>did not hire a lazy,
>shiftless, "below-the-radar" lackey, but rather,
>a strong, focused person who
>understands your game better than
>you do.

It doesn't matter if he's all of these things, because now he has to be another Trump puppet, like Bill, Kelly and Kendra. He will be tied to Trump for at least a year. I've said it before, sometimes winning this stupid show is just not worth the grief.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:28 PM
I'd like to take Randal's five degrees and wipe my asss with them.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by aceintx on 12-15-05 at 11:48 PM
I'm sick.
I've been a Randal fan all season and have rooted for him the whole way. While I can see he was put on the spot and had little time to think and I know it's easy to armchair quarterback, I feel betrayed and let down because I would have expected Randal to be bigger than he proved to be.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by RachelTrinity on 12-15-05 at 11:52 PM
How sick was that? Randal you should have been fired on the spot. Rebecca is a threat to him, it is that simple. He was classless, and clueless. Trump blew it. I think Carloyn should have hired her on the spot..I would of loved to have seen Randal's face then. This whole night makes me sick. Not because he did not choose her, but because Trump did not make a decision and choose them both. Personally, Rebecca would have made a fine apprentice..Randal, Mr. Nice Guy? Oh please...mr clasless is more like it. Shame on you Randal. Caroyln needs to hire Rebecca..now..
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:31 PM
Carolyn needs to hire Rebecca? Who is Carolyn to do that? She's just a woman and women aren't allowed to make decisions in the Trump organization. That's why he's so successful.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by princessjen502 on 12-16-05 at 00:15 AM
Ace you summed up exactly how my husband and I feel. We were fans of both Randall and Rebecca but were leaning towards Randall for a win. However, we both felt betrayed and totally let down by his response. He could have bowed out very gracefully, saying something like "I would love for Rebecca to work for me." That would have saved his obviously fragile ego from having to share the spotlight as she would be subordinate to him. Or he could have been the big man and just told Trump that she would also be a perfect addition to his company. There was absolutely no need to blow her off. We are as hurt as Rebecca by his response. Rebecca would not have treated him with the same disregard. Trump was also very obviously disappointed in Randall's remarks. I hope that Randall didn't lose standing with Trump for this. It would be a shame for him to lose his opportunity because he wasn't willing to be a graceful winner.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 11:47 AM
"Rebecca would not have treated him with the same disregard."

Yes, she would have, and she did when she lied in the boardroom and said that Randal lacked creativity.

At least Randal was truthful about her performance without ever attacking her personally.

The Donald was completely out of line to try and denigrate Randal with grudging comments about his performance. What topped off his belligerent behaviour was the weak attempt to try and make Randal responsible for a hiring decision that should have been his and his alone.

Trump did not want to hire Randal, but events (that would be Randal's stellar performance) prevented him from doing otherwise. What a horrible man.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by 90210grrrl on 12-16-05 at 02:01 PM
Why is it assumed that Randall owes Rebecca something? He was undefeated as PM! Rebecca seems to be a nice girl, but face it they have done nothing but pacify that girl throughout the whole season!

She is the only candidate to lose 2 tasks CONSECUTIVELY and still not get fired, much less make it to the final 2! Then on the final task, she screws up again by not raising ANY money whatsoever but as usual that isnt her fault of course, that is yahoo's fault.

They have done nothing but give Rebecca free pass after free pass, then finally when Randall did more than EARN his spot to be winner he is supposed to undermine all the hard work HE accomplished to share with her? What has Rebecca done to earn this, it sounds like some posters on here want Rebecca to be given a job on a silver platter without having to work for it. Why is Rebecca ENTITLED to the job? And watching the way Rebecca went after Randall in the boardroom during HER loss, I dont believe for a minute she would gladly share the spotlight with him, nor do I even believe the question would have been asked.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tannl on 12-21-05 at 04:45 AM
>Why is it assumed that Randall
>owes Rebecca something? He
>was undefeated as PM!
>Rebecca seems to be a
>nice girl, but face it
>they have done nothing but
>pacify that girl throughout the
>whole season!
>
>She is the only candidate to
>lose 2 tasks CONSECUTIVELY and
>still not get fired, much
>less make it to the
>final 2! Then on
>the final task, she screws
>up again by not raising
>ANY money whatsoever but as
>usual that isnt her fault
>of course, that is yahoo's
>fault.
>
>They have done nothing but give
>Rebecca free pass after free
>pass, then finally when Randall
>did more than EARN his
>spot to be winner he
>is supposed to undermine all
>the hard work HE accomplished
>to share with her?
>What has Rebecca done to
>earn this, it sounds like
>some posters on here want
>Rebecca to be given a
>job on a silver platter
>without having to work for
>it. Why is Rebecca
>ENTITLED to the job?
>And watching the way Rebecca
>went after Randall in the
>boardroom during HER loss, I
>dont believe for a minute
>she would gladly share the
>spotlight with him, nor do
>I even believe the question
>would have been asked.


Excellent post. My feelings exactly.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:32 PM
"We are as hurt as Rebecca by his response."

I seriously doubt that.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by jacal5 on 12-16-05 at 00:10 AM
Before Randall was named the Apprentice, I thought it was a toss up and I would have been happy to see either one win.

I think Randall is backstabbing phony now, not to let Rebecca share the spotlight with him, especially after we saw Randall on the tape telling Rebecca that he would choose her first to support him in any task. I have to laugh when I think of Alla saying Randall has such a big heart, you can see it in his eyes. Boy, did Randall pull the wool over her eyes, and everyone elses.

Rebecca reacted with grace and dignity when she said it was unfortunate that Randall felt that way.. She was even clapping for him afterward. She's a class act.

I hope someone offers Rebecca a much better position and more money than Randall is getting, in a much better location than sleazy Atlantic City.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-16-05 at 00:18 AM
Help me out jacal5,

I am obviously a Randal fan but am willing to consider another take on things. I just don't understand how he can be called a backstabber. He did nothing underhanded or behind her back. He had no obligation to hire her. Trump chose the person he thought was best. If he didn't think she should have been hired, why should Randal? That too, could have been viewed as a total disregard for his new boss' opinion, couldn't it?

If I'm missing a point here, please help me understand.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 00:32 AM
I'll help you out flower2

Backstabber.. he couldn't have possibly been more unprofessional while trying to attack Rebecca. Blabber blabber blabber... Dissapointing. He stooped to Alla's level.. he certainly could have handled himself better.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-17-05 at 11:24 PM
>I'll help you out flower2
>
>Backstabber.. he couldn't have possibly been
>more unprofessional while trying to
>attack Rebecca. Blabber blabber blabber...
>Dissapointing. He stooped to
>Alla's level.. he certainly could
>have handled himself better.

I still don't get it because Randal owed her nothing. If Trump gave Randal the authority to hire Rebecca or not, he also gave him the opportunity to do what he thought was best. Why would he hire her? She lost every task, except the one Randal handed her on a silver platter.

For those that think she was such a great leader--leading her team to what? DEFEAT!!! That's all she accomplished the entire time, including the final task. Trump would have been a fool to allow Randal to hire her. She hosted a charity event that garnered $0.00. Yeah, great leader. I'm sure Trump would love to have her run his casinos and not make any money!

"Entitlement"
Posted by tannl on 12-21-05 at 04:57 AM
I agree. Rebecca did nothing to earn the right to half his title.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by aceintx on 12-16-05 at 01:09 AM
I was a Randal fan as well. I was on board with him and believed he was the obvious choice from week 1. He clearly outclassed all the compitition week in and week out.

I didn't believe Rebecca had a chance until two weeks ago. I wonder how much of America gasped when Rebecca pinned his ears back in front of George & Carolyn when they were negotiating over who would join their teams. She impressed me then and you could tell by the look on Randal's face that she had knocked him off his game. Even Carolyn lost her poker face and seemed pleasantly surprised.

Fast forward to the end of tonight's show. Randal won. He had nothing left to prove. Trump deferred to him in the decision to hire Rebecca. By doing so Trump made it plain that she would be joining them in a subordinate postion. Randal had nothing to lose in bringing her on board since it would be him in essence hiring her. The only way he could lose would be to do what he did.

He made himself small to feed his own ego.


Sad....so very very sad.

"Apprentii???? "
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 01:26 AM
Desperation.. showed Randall's true colors.. but what in the heck is Apprentii... huh?
"RE: Apprentii???? "
Posted by ScorpioRising on 12-16-05 at 10:50 AM
>Desperation.. showed Randall's true colors.. but
>what in the heck is
>Apprentii... huh?

Plural for apprentice.


"RE: Apprentii???? "
Posted by Cate on 12-16-05 at 08:22 PM
>>Desperation.. showed Randall's true colors.. but
>>what in the heck is
>>Apprentii... huh?
>Plural for apprentice.

Actually, the plural of apprentice is apprentices. Just because he has a PhD doesn't mean everything he says is in prefect English. (Or Latin.)

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tarmaq on 12-16-05 at 00:12 AM
Let's look at it this way. You're on a reality show where the reward is a big beautiful house, and you have to persevere at all sorts of house-related tasks in order to win. In the end, it comes down to you and someone else you (profess to) respect and admire. You win the house.

The producers come to you and say, "This other person worked really hard as well. You got along well. What would you think if we gave them a house, too?"

Do you struggle and say, "But NO! If you give them a house people might look at their house along with mine instead of only looking at mine! I'll lose some attention! Don't you dare give them a house!" Or do you say, "That would be so awesome for my friend! They were a really hard worker and I'm so thankful they get a great house too!"

What skin is it off your back? And what a true test of character. When the chance to help someone else comes along, you say "absolutely not."

That's why a lot of us lost respect.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by imaar on 12-16-05 at 00:16 AM
well said...
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tm3fw on 12-16-05 at 00:33 AM
To those of you who say you lost respect I see and understand your point, but I do believe it's a knee-jerk reaction. Lots of victories are decided by very close margins, but this is America and we love to win, love to be the winner and better yet, we love to hate the winner. So I pose the question(s):

In the winner's circle do you ask Jeff Gordon to share his win with Kurt Busch?

On election night, do you ask George Bush to let's say, make John Kerry his VP? Or better yet, Al Gore...after all he did win the popular vote, right?

Serena and Venus are sisters and I don't think they would share the Wimbledon title...you think?

Oscar winners are always saying how they want to thank their fellow actors, etc. how many do you think would really share the spotlight if put on the spot?

All that to say, congrats to Rebecca and Randal, but the better man won. It's pretty arrogant to think that you can judge someone's character from a 30-second spot. At any rate, they'll both go on to great things in life and those of you who are bothered by why/how Randal won will get over it, if not, well...good luck with that.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by kpsack on 12-16-05 at 00:53 AM
My daughter is in competitive gymnastics and is sometimes put into a tie situation with another girl. I can honestly say that she handles it gracefully by shaking the child's hand. Never once does she share her accomplishment without mentioning that it was a tie (even when it has been for first). How is it that an eight year old can share the limelight with such joy but a respected man like Randal cannot? It sounds to me as though Randal needs lessons in humility as well as humanity.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 11:57 AM
This was not remotely a tie situation, so the comparison does not stand. Randal out-distanced Rebecca by $11,000 in the fundraiser.

It may bother some to admit this when it is inconvenient, but playing a game by one set of rules is a touchstone of our American democracy.

If one pays attention to the current state of our country, it provides an object lesson in what happens when rules of merit and fair play do not govern how leaders are chosen.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:47 PM
I think your daughter should be The Apprentice instead of Randal.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by shanana banana on 12-16-05 at 00:16 AM
I am really shocked with how many people think that Randall is the classless one for not wanting to share the Apprentice spotlight!!

It's Trump who has no class! Why didn't he do a double hire if he wanted them both so bad!! No other Apprentice been asked to do this before, yet Randall is a jerk for not wanting to instantly share the spotlight after a long, well-fought season??

It would have been nice if Trump had given him more than 20 freaking seconds to enjoy being the Apprentice. Now Randall has to live down Donald's ball-less performance tonight.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by jacal5 on 12-16-05 at 00:25 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 00:32 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 00:26 AM (EST)

Randall wouldn't have to live down Donald's ball-less performance if he agreed to hire Rebecca. Randall could have rose to the occasion and proven himself to be a better man than Trump, but his ego got in the way.

It seems most of the people on this message board are disappointed in Randall. I wonder how anyone can work for him or with him after viewing this show. I would never trust him as a peer or a boss.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by utopiah on 12-16-05 at 00:46 AM
I think DT did what he was criticizing Randal about. The fact that Randal didn't have a Plan B incase it rained on his event during the final task. I really think DT thought when he posed the question to Randal "Would you also hire Rebecca?" that Randal's answer would be YES. I don't thing DT ever thought he'd say NO.

Randal already WON. Had he'd said YES or NO he was still the winner. Had he'd said YES, who would have critiqued him at all for giving another person a chance? But by saying NO he proved Rebecca's point of him not being able to focus on the "big picture."

I think he screwed up in a bad way. Especially after the other contestant said "He had a big heart." That's not a big heart to me.

I really was hoping both would win because I thought they both deserved it. But now, I'm sorry Randal won.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by aztandem on 12-16-05 at 01:00 AM
I always said Randall would win because he is a man, a tall man, and a black man.

Little Rebecca would have been long gone if she had done a few
of the things Randall did:

l. Put the WRONG RADIO STATION on the client presentation!!
2. Tell her ENTIRE TEAM of four to go shopping in the same store for stuff when there were other jobs to do.
3. Have no Plan B.

Rebecca knew she had to be tougher than Randall because she
is a woman, a small person, and a white person. And she
was tougher.

Trump only picked Randall because he won the popularity contest.
That doesn't give him the common sense he lacks.

And how selfish was he at the end???

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 12:18 PM
>I always said Randall would win
>because he is a man,
>a tall man, and a
>black man.
>
>Little Rebecca would have been long
>gone if she had done
>a few
>of the things Randall did:
>
>l. Put the WRONG RADIO
>STATION on the client presentation!!
>
>2. Tell her ENTIRE TEAM
>of four to go shopping
>in the same store for
>stuff when there were other
>jobs to do.
>3. Have no Plan B.
>
>
>Rebecca knew she had to be
>tougher than Randall because she
>
>is a woman, a small person,
>and a white person.
>And she
>was tougher.
>
>Trump only picked Randall because he
>won the popularity contest.
>That doesn't give him the common
>sense he lacks.
>
>And how selfish was he at
>the end???


There is no evidence to support the unfounded conclusions that you have posited here.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by realityshowgeek on 12-16-05 at 01:14 AM
This is unbelievable. SHE DID NOT WIN!! Plain and simple. Randal was not under any obligation to carry her across the victory line. I guess this winter when the Olympics come around and the second place guy loses by mere seconds, everyone will ask the Gold Medalist how would he feel if they stamped out another Gold Medal, because the second place person tired so darn hard!!

Randal does not lack class. Trump does for sure. I'm sure Randal has heard his entire life it's not enough to be as good as everyone else, you must be better just to get what you deserve. And here we have a second place person who was good in her own right, not superior, but could hold her own and finished an honorable second. We have Randal who has left her in the dust during the entire competition and pervailed in the final challenge being asked to share the glory with someone who, in the end, did not measure up. What kind of message does that send? Still after all of his accomplishment and academic success, he's told she's his equal. I don't balme him one bit. He beat her and deserves to be recognized as the winner of The Apprentice. Hands down.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 12:25 PM
Of course, you're right Realityshowgeek.

It is interesting, but not surprising, that some complaining about Randal's clear win refuse to address his win-loss record. They also have no interest in a rules-oriented process.

Thank goodness for social contracts and constitutions and rules-of-law, or we would all be back in the state of nature fighting each other for scraps of food.

As things stand, we have almost deteriorated to that position in this country precisely because of a propensity by some to ignore or re-write rules when it suits their purposes.

God, I love our constitution.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 01:55 AM
LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05 AT 01:55 AM (EST)

Singer,
I liked both Randall and Rebecca. I knew from the beginning of this season that Randal would win, for the simple fact that no one paralleled his education. Unless, he made some major blunders (which he didnt), I knew he would win. But, inspite of his undefeated track record, Randal did some silly mistakes. Why aren't any of the Randal supporters addressing these mistakes in an objective manner?

1. Randall chose to take his entire team to a party store to buy party supplies. Don't you think this was a poor way to manage his resources, especially when Mark was scheduled to have a meeting with the radio DJ?

2. The groundskeeper questioned Randall about not setting up enough tents just in case it rained. Granted, Randall had checked the weather, but don't you think he should have played it safe? What harm would have done to set up additional tents specially if you have someone advising you to do it?

3. Randall had no plan B in the event of rain. He put all of his eggs in one basket. He showed great creativity by setting up a plan B from scratch. However, not having a plan B from the get-go shows poor planning and poor organizational skills.

I do think that Randal was the most qualified man for the job, based on his education, but he was not flawless. I would really appreciated it if you or any of the other Randall supporters could address the points I've raised about Randall's decisions during the final task.

"I agree"
Posted by tannl on 12-21-05 at 05:11 AM
>This is unbelievable. SHE DID NOT
>WIN!! Plain and simple. Randal
>was not under any obligation
>to carry her across the
>victory line. I guess this
>winter when the Olympics come
>around and the second place
>guy loses by mere seconds,
>everyone will ask the Gold
>Medalist how would he feel
>if they stamped out another
>Gold Medal, because the second
>place person tired so darn
>hard!!
>
>Randal does not lack class. Trump
>does for sure. I'm sure
>Randal has heard his entire
>life it's not enough to
>be as good as everyone
>else, you must be better
>just to get what you
>deserve. And here we have
>a second place person who
>was good in her own
>right, not superior, but could
>hold her own and finished
>an honorable second. We have
>Randal who has left her
>in the dust during the
>entire competition and pervailed in
>the final challenge being asked
>to share the glory with
>someone who, in the end,
>did not measure up. What
>kind of message does that
>send? Still after all of
>his accomplishment and academic success,
>he's told she's his equal.
>I don't balme him one
>bit. He beat her and
>deserves to be recognized as
>the winner of The Apprentice.
>Hands down.


Hands down the sole winner in this competition was Randal.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by BrendaWalshCFM on 12-16-05 at 00:50 AM
I can. He's your typical black man with your typical big chip on his shoulder.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by ReeSha on 12-16-05 at 12:44 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 12:52 PM (EST)

>I can. He's your typical black
>man with your typical big
>chip on his shoulder.


HA, that was the most ignorant statement I've heard all day. What do you know about the typical Black Man? What is that? That was very stereotypical! If he has chips on his shoulder, then thank GOD for them cause like it or not he's the winner. People are acting so hurt, please. Get over it, he lost your respect, he doesn't know you---so who cares! Things happen the way that they are supposed to, and perhaps Rebecca was not meant for that job. Maybe it was meant for her to encounter other opportunities because last nights occurrences. What ever the case she seems quite content with her life now and that is what is important. The real jerk most of you blind people are forgetting to mention is Mr. Trump himself! He chooses to take Randall's very special moment and turn it into a mess. Why would you put Randall in that position. Your run your company you make your own choice. That was gutless and tactless! If the tables were turned I'm not sure that half of you would be singing the same tune.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by DrKegel on 12-16-05 at 01:01 AM

I LOVED IT!!!!

Watchd Felisha and Alla going crazy in the background shaking their heads, "NO, NO, NO!!!!!!"

It was a complete insult to Randal to even suggest hiring that worthless little piece of s!!t Becky. She didn't belong in the finals and was totally useless as a leader. Her team came up with all the ideas and did all the work for her and she still screwed things up. SHE RAISED NO MONEY AT A CHARITY EVENT!!!!

Good for you Randal! You grew a pair and finally stood up to someone who I have no doubt will be Trumps umpteenth wife.

It's unbelievable that Rebecca would stab Randal in the back again after Randal gave her that win. That chick has no class whatsoever, but after looking at her family (they're all ugly as he!! Why do some people breed?), I don't believe she can help it.

It would have been such a better final had Alla been in it. I would have loved to see how she handled that charity event and how much money she would have collected in her g-string ... I mean, raised at the end of the evening!

Good on ya Randal! Ya made me proud not being a doormat. And Alla, what can I say, I love you!


"Wow..."
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 01:09 AM
NOW THAT'S CLASS!!!
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tarmaq on 12-16-05 at 01:30 AM
There's a very interesting article at MSNBC. "Apprentice’ winner refuses to share title." "Randal and Rebecca seemed to respect and appreciate each other during the season, which made Randal's finale selfishness all the more baffling." There are subheadings such as "selfish when he could have been selfless", and "losing respect for Randal".

It doesn't look good for Randal.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10485160/

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by joeblow on 12-16-05 at 01:41 AM
Great article. Hits it on the head.
"The Article says it all"
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 01:53 AM
doesn't it?
"What does Trump say?"
Posted by wubbymom on 12-16-05 at 02:10 AM
At the very end when Trump is shaking Rebecca's hand it sounds like he says "We'll Talk". Am I hearing it wrong? Maybe he is planning to offer her a job in spite of Randall
"Trump says .. we'll talk?"
Posted by roscoma on 12-16-05 at 02:17 AM
Really? Excellent!!!!
"I think not"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 02:19 AM
I think that there could have been another way for him to word it, but the fact is the show was designed for Donald to find AN APPRENTICE (SINGULAR). As many others have said, if he wanted to hire them both, then as the boss, he should have done it.

Having watched the entire season, Randall was the clear winner. It wasn't even close. Rebecca is definitely well-spoken but she couldn't win, until it was just her and Randall on a team together. The editors spent so much time making us think that Randall wasn't focusing enough on his charity when it was Rebecca who didn't focus on the charity at all.

She raised $0 for her charity and THAT was the ENTIRE last task. For him to even consider hiring her after that was a joke especially after they showed the clip of him firing 4 candidates for EXACTLY the same thing.

I would have liked to see Randall phrase things a bit differently but I dont fault him ONE BIT for reminding Trump that it was his concept of a single apprentice.

Trump can still hire Rebecca anytime he wants but after making them prove and fight all night over which ONE of them should be the apprentice, it was simply wrong for him to ask Randall to hire Rebecca also.

That's right , you're fired..get out already

"RE: I think not"
Posted by maxer on 12-16-05 at 02:28 AM
if you think of it as trump asking randal's advice in his first action as the newest apprentice, randal proved himself to place his ego above his business judgment

if rebecca is so good and strong as a leader, as randall consistently attested to, THROUGHOUT, then good business sense would have required randal to advise trump to utilize rebecca's talents

instead, RANDAL'S EGO SUPERCEDED HIS JUDGMENT

let's hope there are no cameras around when randal has to make other judgments which could potentially affect his ego

"RE: I think not"
Posted by summerblue on 12-16-05 at 11:06 PM
tarmaq, Great Post
"RE: I think not"
Posted by summerblue on 12-16-05 at 11:08 PM
>if you think of it as
>trump asking randal's advice in
>his first action as the
>newest apprentice, randal proved himself
>to place his ego above
>his business judgment
>
>if rebecca is so good and
>strong as a leader, as
>randall consistently attested to, THROUGHOUT,
>then good business sense would
>have required randal to advise
>trump to utilize rebecca's talents
>
>
>instead, RANDAL'S EGO SUPERCEDED HIS JUDGMENT
>
>
>let's hope there are no cameras
>around when randal has to
>make other judgments which could
>potentially affect his ego

You hit it right on!

"RE: I think not"
Posted by RGZZ on 12-16-05 at 06:28 AM
>
>She raised $0 for her charity
>and THAT was the ENTIRE
>last task.

Interesting....as I saw it, Rebecca's sponsor (Yahoo) donated 100K...about 10 times the crappy 11K that Randall's event generated...Heck....she generated 5 times as much money for Randall's charity as he did!

"RE: I think not"
Posted by ctechic on 12-16-05 at 12:27 PM
No, Yahoo donated the money and then specified that it be divided among both charities...As I remember correctly, Yahoo was the one who sponsored the fundraiser by Rebecca and only step up when no money was raised because they made the mistake of saying not to ask the attendees for donations straightout...So, technically, Rebecca did not raise money for her charity...It was given at the last moment...And if you add what Yahoo donated the final outcome would be Randall-$61,000 and Rebecca- $50,000...So the winner would be...let me quess...
RANDAL.
"RE: I think not"
Posted by buckeyegirl on 12-16-05 at 01:24 PM
I would have liked to see Randall phrase things a bit differently but I dont fault him ONE BIT for reminding Trump that it was his concept of a single apprentice.
I couldn't have said it better myself CSTL. I don't blame Randal at all for what he did, it was just how he said that made me lost just a little bit of respect for him.


Play Be The Apprentice Next Season!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-16-05 at 12:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 12:33 PM (EST)

"It doesn't look good for Randal."

Tarmaq, Randal's a millionaire, so it doesn't matter what the press says.

Bottom line: Hiring is Trump's responsibility. He made himself look stupid by trying to change the rules of the game at the last minute. Trump clearly had a preference against treating Randal fairly. Figures.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by freedomguy on 12-16-05 at 02:27 AM
Randall embarrassed Rebecca in front of 30 million people. In doing so, he brought shame to himself. If he would have supported Rebecca in being hired, he not only could have been the hero, but he might have gone down as the best apprentice of all time. But he showed a downfall of every great leader......ego and pride. Now we all know it. He will never live this down and he will be remembered for this one big blunder. I lost all respect for him.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 04:05 AM
This wasn't the HERO show and why should he hire someone that he'd already said he didn't think could handle the job.

If Trump wanted her hired, it's his show, he could have hired her. He didn't.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by cew657 on 12-16-05 at 07:48 AM
Randal is jerk!!!! Both Rebecca and Randal were great candidates and were pretty equal. After last night, I would not ever work for Randal. You can't trust him and I think he is too laid back. Hell, every task Randal served as a project manager, you couldn't tell he was the leader. He just sat back and watched and let things happen.

I know this show is finding one Apprentice but I have never seen candidates so equal and both would have been great. DT should never had put Randal on the spot, but Randal stabbed Rebecca in the back, plain and simple. You just don't treat people that way. You can argue business is business, but Randal always stated over and over how impressed he was with Rebecca. It just proves Randal knew Rebecca was better than he was and didn't want the competition.

What a pompous, self centered jerk.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by ARnutz on 12-16-05 at 07:54 AM
Hell, every task Randal served as a project manager, you couldn't tell he was the leader. He just sat back and watched and let things happen.

That's an interesting perspective. I must've been watching a totally different show than you were.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by 90210grrrl on 12-16-05 at 02:24 PM
"I know this show is finding one Apprentice but I have never seen candidates so equal..."

Rebecca had a PM record of 2-1, the one win she did get it was on a 2 person team with RANDALL, so he won it for her.

Then on the final task she fails to raise money for a CHARITY!

On the other hand, Randall is undefeated as PM 3-0, and he won the final task, yet they are "equal" please explain this to me?

Some posters feel like after Randall more than beat Rebecca in the boardroom he should then SHARE the spotlight with her? Why? She didnt earn it, so why do you think she is entitled to the job IN SPITE OF HER LOSSES? That is the question I have for this board.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by DooWahDitty on 12-16-05 at 02:28 PM
Hey, "beverlyhillsbabe" thanks for a brief, clarifying post for those of us who didn't watch this season. Welcome to the boards.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 09:54 AM
Did anyone watch theToday Show? Yahoo offered her a job.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 12-16-05 at 10:07 AM
Randal is a jerk. It was a very bad decision on his part. He was picked as the winner and that was not enough for him.

One thing Randal forgets is that Trump is the boss. Randal should've said...Mr Trump you are the boss and you own all these business's and if you feel you would like Rebecca to work for you that it is your perogative. Instead he made Trump look like a j.ck.##### on national tv....his boss!

Look if Trump wants to hire Rebecca or all 16 contestents it is his business. He picked a winner...Randal. Randal got what he wanted. It was a very selfish and dumb decision by Randal and tells me that he picked the wrong person regardless of track record/experience.

To me, it was obvisious that Randal had more education and experience than Rebecca. His record as a project manager was better too. But Trump saw something he really liked about Rebecca. As a 23 year old she possess's some outstanding qualities. When she is Say Randal's age she will be something truly outstanding.....Trump sees that and although she lost the competition Trump obvisiously really wanted her on his side.

Randal should've been.....a company guy....not a me guy. Seriously if you were Trump would you want a me guy or a company guy? Regardless of whether Randal outperformed Rebecca in the tasks.....to me he made the wrong decision.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 06:35 PM
>Did anyone watch theToday Show? Yahoo
>offered her a job.
>
>
>If that's true, they just want publicity.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 10:37 AM
Those of us who have been watching since season one will recall that the Trumpmeister did say that he might hire more than one person at the end of a season.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 12:27 PM
Well I've been watching since season one also and Trump DIDN'T hire more than one person. He hired one, Randall.

It's not also the first season that there have been multiple firings as some have tried to insinuate.

The call to hire more than one person was Trumps and Trumps alone. If he wanted to hire both, he should have hired both. Instead, he asked Randall for his opinion because he supposedly valued it so much and Randall said he didn't think there should be two apprentices period.

Trump can still do whatever he wishes but if he wanted to hire both, he should have.

That's right , you're fired..get out already

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 01:03 PM
I wasn't talking aboutb firings. Trump did say, at the beginning of season one, that it was possible he'd hire more than one of the contestants at the end of a season.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by syren on 12-16-05 at 02:43 PM
But he did not hire more than one. He hired one. Randall. If he really wanted to hire her, he would have. Trump has proved time and time again that he does what he wants.

This is not season one. While he may have said that then, he did not do it last night. He hired one, the one who won, the one with the best record, the one who did not fail on two projects back to back. He hired the person who won on all accounts. Plain and simple, if he thought that she should be there with Randall, he would have said, you are both hired. But because he didn't, everyone is blaming Randall for being shallow, instead of blaming Trump for doing what they think should have been done.



"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by MitziMM on 12-16-05 at 11:08 AM
I agree with everyone who has said that Randall showed his true colors. So funny that he said Apprenti rather than Apprentices...so much for the Rhodes scholar. I hope he's embarassed. I'm embarassed for him.

And, Trump wasn't asking him to dilute his status as the Apprentice, as the winner, anyway, but only whether or not he thought Rebecca should be thrown a bone, basically. A kind gesture, a gentlemanly gesture. But no! Unlike what Trump said, that to him this is more an interview process than a reality show, Randall had to be small and guard his victory. Mine, mine, mine. I wonder who else he has stepped on on his way up.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by shayshay1 on 12-16-05 at 11:18 AM
Randall,should be careful all the people he steps on while going up the ladder are the ones he's gonna be seeing on the way down back to the bottom
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Elmay on 12-16-05 at 11:26 AM
I wonder if you all would have felt the same way if Clay had won American Idol and they asked him to share with Reuben.

I bet some of you in this post were also upset when Clay didn't win.

My goodnes, the hate comes out in funny ways.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by reality4who on 12-16-05 at 11:25 AM
I was so completely disgusted with Randall's decision, that the whole season has became null and void in my mind! There have been many surprises in this season, including firing of more than one person in the boardroom, so why is there an incredible need to have only one "Apprentice"? Randall was nothing more than an egotistical, selfish individual who didn't want to share. If this is what Donald Trump wants to teach the business school community, I'm glad I'm retired!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 12-16-05 at 11:32 AM
I work in the business world and I am sure many of you do also. To me this just shows how cutthroat the business world really is. I have had some situations similar to this happen to me. Things where I just shook my head in disbelievement. People who you may consider your biggest allies are not. It is a shame but it is the real 'world'. If anything I am glad this show revealed what it really is like in the business world.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Elmay on 12-16-05 at 11:50 AM
I doubt that many here work in the business world.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by FairfaxLadybug on 12-16-05 at 12:17 PM
Randal did the ABSOLUTE correct thing. He won the competition. Trump is the boss - he pointed that out while lecturing Rebecca for not meeting him at his car. He makes the decisions. He didn't consult to fire two and four at a time, so why now should Randal be put in the position of choosing whether or not to hire Rebecca.

As for people being "tired of hearing about Randal's academic success", obviously they don't have very much academic success themselves. He is an intelligent guy and he doesn't just have papers and distinctions, he has common sense and good business sense. Also what's being ignored is his experience. Rebecca is 23 years old. She's probably been working professionally for about 2 years - if that long. Randal has over 10 years of experience. They aren't even on the same level. The better candidate won and to suggest that he somehow is selfish because he has the courage to acknowledge that he won is silly.

No one is stopping Trump from hiring Rebecca. He can hire her whenever he wants to.

Also, it is very naive for people to say "if Trump was a racist he wouldn't have hired Randal". Racisim is not always stupid. (Quite often it is, but not always.) Minorities, specifically blacks, are often put in situations where they can be set up to fail only so a hiring manager or management won't appear racist. I'm not saying Randal is being set up to fail, I think he'll do a great job, but the fact that he was hired doesn't erase Trump's racist behavior.

I'm a 10 year experienced CPA. I would not dream of suggesting that I share my job with someone 2 years out of school. It even sounds silly. It sounds as silly as asking Randal should we also hire Rebecca.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 01:02 PM

> I would not dream
>of suggesting that I share
>my job with someone 2
>years out of school.


Who was asking him to share his job? He had the big job no matter what. This was a test of his humanity.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by FairfaxLadybug on 12-16-05 at 01:07 PM
>
>> I would not dream
>>of suggesting that I share
>>my job with someone 2
>>years out of school.
>
>
>Who was asking him to share
>his job? He had the
>big job no matter what.
>This was a test of
>his humanity.
>
>
>
>

This was not a show about humanity...it's business.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 02:08 PM

>
>This was not a show about
>humanity...it's business.

You're right about that, I suppose.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tarmaq on 12-16-05 at 03:06 PM
The best businessmen/women are those who have their humanity well intact. Otherwise you could say Sadam Hussein was a fabulous businessman. He got his way when he was running Iraq, didn't he? Is that the bottom line?

As far as those stating that Rebecca was too young to even be considered, etc, etc, anyone who was in the running could have been picked. Trump isn't hiring someone to run his company, he's giving someone a chance to learn from him. That's what an apprentice is.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by director on 12-16-05 at 03:36 PM
make no mistake - CEO of huge fortune 500 companies which usually have cut throat mentality (i worked for one) would hire Randall. He's nice but not soft and has a good balance between being professional and friendly.
When you are friendly and too nice in business people might like you, find you likeable and even hang out with you after work (happy hour)but when it comes to promotions and other business related issues, you are in the back burner.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by joedirt on 12-17-05 at 02:14 PM
Has anyone here looked at Randal's resume or his company bctpartners.com website?

He really has 1 year of work experience (Lucent, 97-98, what happened?).
In 1997 he said he founded a company (what happened to it?)
In 2000 he said he co-founded another (what happened to it?)
In 2001 he founded another, bct partners.

What is bct partners? The company profile is chock full of the usual PC buzzwords, e.g. minority-owned, diversity program, minority supplier, disadvantaged business etc. Translation: they feed at the government quota and minority set aside trough.

As far as education, he has 5 degrees, but few if any real employers would consider that a plus. It indicates a lack of focus. With a PHD from MIT comes huge expectations from any potential employer. He appears to have been proceeding toward a carreer as an engineer, but the fact that he left Lucent after 1 year raises questions about his ability to succeed in high tech. Now he has decided to jump once again. This time into Trumps world of real estate development, something that has no relation to his background.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by lrlr1 on 12-16-05 at 12:30 PM
>What. a. jerk.
>


I know what you mean. The Trumpster got trumped! What. a. jerk!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by skitzokitty on 12-16-05 at 01:02 PM
I was surprised at Randall's decision, but that was a bit unfair to put him on the spot like that. Asking him in private after he's had time to come down from the excitement of winning is one thing, but right there in front of the whole audience and on national t.v. wasn't very cool. It was a quick reaction on Randall's part and he may have regretted his decision soon after, but he shouldn't have been put in that position.

Also, I have watched a majority of the shows these 4 seasons and The Donald doesn't always make decisions that make sense. Many appear fairly abitrary. He seems to have gotten better, but his rationales haven't aways been very consistent from week to week. One week the PM gets fired for not being a good leader, the next week some lackey gets fired for not being able to be led. From my perspective it seems hard to figure out what will make the big guy happy. With that said, it would not have surprised me in the least if Randall had said "Yes, you should also hire Rebecca" followed by The Donald saying "You weak kneed ninny, you aren't tough enough for New York or Atlantic City. Randall, you're fired. Rebecca, you're hired." It would be classis Donald.

Trump acts like a little kid with his decisions. Seems prudent to tread lightly.

"RE: The Hair's rationales"
Posted by DooWahDitty on 12-16-05 at 01:34 PM
Thanks for a good first post, Skitzokitty. Welcome to the boards.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 02:07 PM
I wonder if he really was on the spot. After all, there was conjecture here about it... so maybe Randal heard it too, over the past couple of months? Plus this morning on Today he re-iterated using the same words, rather than clean it up. I think that WAS his rehearsed response.
"Swoop"
Posted by bystander on 12-16-05 at 01:12 PM

"RE: Swoop"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-21-05 at 02:17 AM
Yayyy, my msg was swoop-worthy!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by elliecat on 12-16-05 at 01:59 PM
>What. a. jerk.
>
>

I second that EfanTerrible. What a CHICKEN S##T PIECE OF CRAP you are Randal. Absolutely not a spec of class in your entire body. Well you dug your own grave. You embarrass DT on live TV...you are history...mark my words. What is wrong with you?
You showed yourself to the world that YOU HAVE NO CLASS.

Did you hear me Randal...YOU HAVE NO CLASS.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by FairfaxLadybug on 12-16-05 at 02:42 PM
>>What. a. jerk.
>>
>>
>
>I second that EfanTerrible.
>What a CHICKEN S##T PIECE
>OF CRAP you are Randal.
> Absolutely not a spec
>of class in your entire
>body. Well you dug
>your own grave. You
>embarrass DT on live TV...you
>are history...mark my words.
>What is wrong with you?
>
>You showed yourself to the world
>that YOU HAVE NO CLASS.
>
>
>Did you hear me Randal...YOU HAVE
>NO CLASS.

Shup up. You sound stupid.

"WARNING - FairfaxLadybug"
Posted by Bebo on 12-16-05 at 02:44 PM
And what part of the guideline forbidding bashing other posters is so difficult for you to comprehend?

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by sheplu on 12-16-05 at 02:40 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 02:46 PM (EST)

If your child were in a competition and clearly won. He or she worked very hard. The winning prize is 50 bucks. Then it is announced that he has to give half his prize to the runner up and he is not declared as the sole winner. How would you feel? How would your child feel? Would it diminish his or her win?

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by tarmaq on 12-16-05 at 03:13 PM
This is clearly an uneven comparison. To make it more even, perhaps you should state that your child, who won fifty bucks, would retain that fifty bucks. Period. He also had the opportunity to hand fifty or forty or whatever additional bucks of someone else's money over to the next child, who also worked very hard. Your child retains his fifty bucks and the cachet of having won it in the first place.

What will your child do? Try to do unto others has he would have them do unto him? Or begrudge and deny someone he claimed to respect a prize as well?

I pray that my children will look out for others as well as themselves.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by sheplu on 12-16-05 at 05:00 PM
My daughter is in a math competition. She is one of 15 children chosen to compete for a place on the math team. This is her first year and it is unlikely that she will get a spot. She does not have to begrudge anyone their spot on the team. Next year she will be more prepared and she will value what she has accomplished even more. I do not want them to make it easy for her and give her a spot. I want her to earn her spot.

There is a place you can go if you are looking for a place where nobody is supposed to stand out. Its called communism!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by geg6 on 12-16-05 at 02:46 PM
I've never read so much silliness in my life. I wasn't going to say anything at all here, but this is so ridiculous I just have to step in and say something.

I have serious doubts that Trump's stupid little stunt last night was anything other than a stunt. He's desperate to try anything to make this show hot again and he thought putting Randal on the spot would do the trick. Sorry, Donald, that worked about as well as your combover.

I also have serious doubts as to whether anyone here criticizing Randal would do the same in his situation. Real easy to sit in your easy chair and say, yes! let me show you how little I actually understand what it means to work in the cut throat New York real estate business by being a fluffy bunny to my competition instead of the shark that is required in that position. I'm sure you all, after a fierce battle over a series of exhausting weeks and then months of waiting, would in any way, shape, or form basically admit that Trump had made the wrong choice when he chose you. *rolls eyes* Because that is really what you were expecting Randal to do. You wanted Randal to admit that Rebecca was just a good as him. He pointedly iterated why she wasn't as good as he. And he was right.

I certainly would not hire Rebecca after her final task. It was a complete and miserable failure. Not only did she not do what Trump told them to do (make both clients happy), but she even made the one that was originally pleased look like unfeeling idiots. Even months later, not one cent was raised by her event for pediatric AIDS. She was a complete and utter failure.

This was a contest, people, about BUSINESS. The point of the contest is not who is the nicest person. It's who is the best business person. Patently, Randal was.


I'm such a slut for the blues.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by director on 12-16-05 at 03:30 PM
well said. it is so easy to act and sound so noble on the boards. you would think all these people talking are really great, magnificent and classy people in their everyday lifes. This was a business competition. For one winner. It is different if Trump wanted Randall to hire ebecca to work for him but would trump have offered her the other New Jersey project? In that case we would be having two apprentices. That will not even be respectful of the other candidates who were fighting for that one position. Let trump hire her later but don't tell Randall to do it. If so, the final task was useless and the whole game was useless and we might as well not have the apprentice. what is the theme? - people from around the U.S competiting to become 'the apprentice'. Anyone here that would take rebecca because of niceness wouldn't work for me. So what if my competition was nice and sweet and smart, in my opinion you wouldn't give me the confidence that you would be aggressive enough to make the right decisions for my company as you are emotional.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 04:09 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 04:10 PM (EST)

Geg, you are one of my favorite people on the forum. I feel like we are being ridiculed just for being interested in a topic, even if that topic is not of Earth shattering importance.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by geg6 on 12-16-05 at 04:21 PM
I'm sorry that you feel I am ridiculing your interest in this topic. I sincerely didn't mean to do that and I think, since I read and responded to the topic, that it's perfectly reasonable to be interested in this.

However, all the self-righteousness being directed at Randal is over the top and completely overblown considering the nature of this contest. Randal did what any person who wants to be successful at business should do: beat the competition with no qualms about their feelings. That's business. That's why he deserved to win.


I'm such a slut for the blues.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 04:46 PM
Maybe we like being over-the-top. I'm sure I do. What the heck, we all have pressing issues and Lord knows our country does too. I am having fun blowing off steam about this.

So, to continue, shouldn't it have been enough to win? Did he have to crush the opposition too? I see him as no better than Alla for doing that.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by geg6 on 12-16-05 at 04:50 PM
Crushing the competition is what it's all about. And he's much, much better at it than Alla because he didn't need smack talk to do it.


I'm such a slut for the blues.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 06:06 PM
>Crushing the competition is what it's
>all about. And he's
>much, much better at it
>than Alla because he didn't
>need smack talk to do
>it.
>
Hmmm, I think I'd rather face Alla because she wears it on her sleeve. Makes it easy for ya.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by goldie1000 on 12-19-05 at 09:00 PM
>>Crushing the competition is what it's
>>all about. And he's
>>much, much better at it
>>than Alla because he didn't
>>need smack talk to do
>>it.
>>

And that is why I respect Randall !
And your right Geg, that is why he is, and will be,
a good business man. Ruthless and successful. Just like Donald.

>Hmmm, I think I'd rather face
>Alla because she wears it
>on her sleeve. Makes it
>easy for ya.


Alla would be a horrible business woman,
I would never hire her to run one of my companies.
Ever !



Besides the fact that she is a total b!tch

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by halfpintlemon on 12-16-05 at 06:43 PM
Rebecca did a fantastic job.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Chez on 12-16-05 at 07:57 PM
I took 3 years of Latin in high school. If the plural is Apprentici, that means the singular was Apprenticus. Oops. Maybe Mr. Rhodes Scholar Randal isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
"I think..."
Posted by ARnutz on 12-16-05 at 05:00 PM
(because I know you're all just waiting for my opinion)

I think... that perhaps it was the underdog position that Rebecca was in which had some folks rooting so passionately for her to be hired. Who doesn't root for an underdog from time to time?

Isn't it possible that Randal is being treated unfairly because America was waiting with baited breath to find a flaw in him? I think that regardless of what Randal had done or said last night, he would have received this unfair backlash.

Think about it, if he were to say, "Mr. Trump? I think you should hire Rebecca!" than today we would be discussing how weak and soft he was, and how he (who is miles above Rebecca in education, experience and fit for the company, IMO) admitted she was just as good as him.

...and honestly, if it were me? I would have very likely done the same thing as Randal!

"RE: I think..."
Posted by LakerLuv on 12-16-05 at 05:48 PM
I am truly flabbergasted by the negative sentiment thrown Randall's way for accepting a job he rightfully earned and for declining to share the job with the runner-up. I am really shocked that he's being painted as selfish just because Rebecca didn't make the grade. This is mind boggling to me.
"RE: I think..."
Posted by tarmaq on 12-16-05 at 06:02 PM
What's this about sharing? His piece of the pie would have remained the same! If I have a 3 inch piece of pie, and someone wants to give my neighbor a piece of pie also, how am I losing any pie? It's selfish if I don't want my neighbor to have any!
"RE: I think..."
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-16-05 at 06:04 PM
I feel like the argument is becoming, should the winner humiliate the loser. Obviously a lot of people feel he should.
"RE: I think..."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 07:30 PM
I feel like the argument is becoming, should the winner humiliate the loser.

Trump is the one who humiliated Rebecca by putting Randall on the spot about hiring her after announcing him the winner. This is a first time thing, how can you assume that it was Randall's plan to humiliate her?

"RE: I think..."
Posted by monkey1 on 12-16-05 at 07:36 PM
'Share'?? You just don't get it. There was no sharing to it, just the opportunity to add another strong player to the team. He is a pathetic hypocrite.
"RE: I think..."
Posted by Jealousy on 12-16-05 at 08:28 PM
>I am truly flabbergasted by the
>negative sentiment thrown Randall's way
>for accepting a job he
>rightfully earned and for declining
>to share the job with
>the runner-up. I am really
>shocked that he's being painted
>as selfish just because Rebecca
>didn't make the grade. This
>is mind boggling to me.
>


We, or at least I'm not blaming Randal for winning the apprenticeship. He WON. Congratulations. He's the Apprentice.

Now then, he's got the job, he's got the glory and he's Trump's chosen one; Randal now has the opportunity to give another hard working individual a chance to work for the company. If Randal had told Mr. Trump to hire Rebecca, SHE would not be the Apprentice. Ever. But she'd have a job, and you could tell that Donald was eager to hire.

But for some reason, he denied her from having a job. Heck, she could even have worked under Randal or be HIS Apprentice. Instead, he was the glory hound who thought everything was just 'me me me'. Trump wasn't planning on having them both share the glory of being the Apprentice, but gave Randal the opportunity to hire someone who he's worked closely with and who was a great contender for the Apprentice title. I really think that the night should have ended better. It was quite disappointing, coming from someone who I thought was a great guy, like Randal.

"RE: I think..."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 08:34 PM
Trump wasn't planning on having them both share the glory of being the Apprentice, but gave Randal the opportunity to hire someone who he's worked closely with and who was a great contender for the Apprentice title.


So how was dinner with Donald last night? I'm assuming he must have told you this personally because he sure didn't give ANY indication of what he was going to do last night. Unless you've spoken to him since last night, we dont know what Trump would have done if Randall had said yes. From the setup of the show, it certainly would appear that he was going to give them equal positions which certainly doesn't appear fair to me. But again , that's my opinion and my opinion and your's dont have to agree.

"RE: I think..."
Posted by Jealousy on 12-16-05 at 08:56 PM

>So how was dinner with Donald
>last night? I'm assuming he
>must have told you this
>personally because he sure didn't
>give ANY indication of what
>he was going to do
>last night. Unless you've spoken
>to him since last night,
>we dont know what Trump
>would have done if Randall
>had said yes. From the
>setup of the show, it
>certainly would appear that he
>was going to give them
>equal positions which certainly doesn't
>appear fair to me. But
>again , that's my opinion
>and my opinion and your's
>dont have to agree.

Well, dinner was fine though I don't think it's fun to spend the night chatting it up with someone's ego (and hair!).

Aside from that, Trump could have done a double hire himself, but no. He chose Randal as his Apprentice. Randal had already won, though through out the night -- and perhaps through the season -- you could see that Donald Trump felt that Rebecca was a great contestant as well.

And yes, we all see things differently. I wasn't rooting for either contestant, but really thought that Randal deserved the win.

"RE: I think..."
Posted by cambo on 12-16-05 at 10:12 PM
Everyone is getting tv reality confused with "real" reality. The "real" reality is, Donald Trump has the authority to hire who he wants to hire. He's the boss, remember? Once the cameras are off, I'm sure he could very easily hire Rebecca tomorrow if he really wanted to.

It's too bad Randall, who was beloved by all his castmates, is now being depicted as the scum of the earth by some people simply b/c he looked out for his own best interest and not Rebecca's. As far as runner-ups go, Kwame and Jennifer Massey were both more qualified than Rebecca but they weren't given the opportunity to be co-winners.

Asking Randall if he'd like to share the title of the Apprentice is simply and out of line question to ask. Now he's unjustly one of the most hated Apprentice winners ever.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by broncbuster on 12-16-05 at 06:07 PM
What about "diversity" in Randal's workplace? Notice the clip of Randal's "multi-million" dollar corporation. All African American "associates". Not a single Hispanic, Caucasian, Asian or other ethnic group were shown in the clip.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Elmay on 12-16-05 at 06:22 PM
>What about "diversity" in Randal's workplace?
> Notice the clip of
>Randal's "multi-million" dollar corporation.
>All African American "associates".
>Not a single Hispanic, Caucasian,
>Asian or other ethnic group
>were shown in the clip.
>

So what? Maybe they taped a meeting he was having with an African American group.

You all who are bashing Randall are simply amazing. What's even more amazing is tyou can't even see it.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Bebo on 12-16-05 at 06:32 PM
Speaking of seeing something, check out our guidelines - there's a link at the top of the page. The part about not bashing other posters is a fascinating read.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-16-05 at 06:39 PM
>What about "diversity" in Randal's workplace?
> Notice the clip of
>Randal's "multi-million" dollar corporation.
>All African American "associates".
>Not a single Hispanic, Caucasian,
>Asian or other ethnic group
>were shown in the clip.
>

Because that was an executive meeting. the other employees white, etc are most likely not executives.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Realitytvfan27 on 12-16-05 at 08:07 PM
>What about "diversity" in Randal's workplace?
> Notice the clip of
>Randal's "multi-million" dollar corporation.
>All African American "associates".
>Not a single Hispanic, Caucasian,
>Asian or other ethnic group
>were shown in the clip.
>


Funny, but it it were a table of all-white people and Randall was white, no one would think THAT was strange, huh? Funny how that works.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Donald Chump on 12-16-05 at 08:26 PM
You don't know anything about the rest of his employees, or even if the black people shown were employees or not. Some probably were clients.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by bigrock on 12-17-05 at 12:43 PM
must have been the white guys day off?

I AIN'T SKEERED!?!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by LakerLuv on 12-16-05 at 08:27 PM
Perhaps he was meeting with a group or business made up of all black folks. That's possible.
"When did he say..."
Posted by survivorscott on 12-16-05 at 06:21 PM
Don't hire her?

He said " Not tonight"

which means do what you want Mr Trump. But tonight is my night.

By the way did anyone else notice he didn't ask Randal to come sit on the other side of the table with him, like he has with all the other aprenti?

Come in a stranger,leave a little stranger

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by DooWahDitty on 12-16-05 at 06:35 PM
"did anyone else notice he didn't ask Randal to come sit on the other side of the table with him"

Not only that, it made me cringe when he kept calling for Randal like a mother to a 5-yr-old at the park.

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by bball75 on 12-16-05 at 07:18 PM
Randal had stated numerous times during the live board room that he thought Rebecca had not had enough experience to do the job required of the Apprentice. How could he maintain credibility and say "Sure go ahead and hire her too. Forget everything I just said about her not having the experience needed to do the job."

The fire in the belly he showed when responding to Trump is the same kind of intensity in many conversation heard in boardrooms, on the market floor, and certainly the same energy I've ever had in closing a sales deal.

Selfish? Wanting the spotlight? Give me a break. The man showed he had a spine--good for him.

Remember: It's not personal, its just business.

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by rojo on 12-16-05 at 07:54 PM
Let me tell you if Randal were as smart as he thinks and as good a leader as he thinks, he would have recognized the opportunity to add a young, vibrant, sharp energetic member to the Trump team. One whom Trump (and Carolyn) just spent an hour raving about. But it's all about Randal, isn't it? That's pitiful leadership if you ask me.

And from the perspective of his having the ability to reach out and improve another human being's life, to give somebody a hand up, he failed there too.

Randal's a loser.

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by Donald Chump on 12-16-05 at 08:32 PM
>And from the perspective of his having the ability to reach out
>and improve another human being's life, to give somebody a hand up, he failed there too.

Improve whose life? Rebecca's? Ha!

History has shown that The Apprentice second-placers (and even down to the final 7 or 8) go on to make more money than the Apprentice himself. They can take all sorts of endorsements, speaking engagements, TV appearances and high-end consulting gigs that the Apprentice isn't free to take because of the tight contract with Trump and NBC.

Rebecca already has an offer for $150K/year, and more will come. Placing second and having Randal decide against hiring her is the best thing that happened to her.

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by drebaby on 12-16-05 at 07:41 PM
Haven't posted since the end of Big Brother 6, but could not sleep tonight without puttin in my million cents!

Randall won the competition, SO why is everyone so upSet because he didn't share the glory with someone else? This has never happen before, so why should he be the first to diminisH his win by sharing it with the second place candidate. Like someone said earlier, Bush didn't want to sahre his controversial win with Gore or Kerry. Even the Donalds wife indicated that the winner of Ms World contest isn't going to share it with the runner-up even the second place finisher looks better or is smarter.
(I loved the Clay-Ruben comparison)

Trump cause this issue/argument by calling Randall back to the table in the middle of his celebration and literally telling him "Hey Randall you are not really that good, I think Rebecca should be hired too, what do you think about that? What was Randall to say"Yassuh Master Trump yous' right, she is as good as me and you shoud hire huh too."

As someone said, Randall was caught in a lose-lose situation as whatever his response would have been as some would have accused him to being a weakling and bowing down to Trump in his first duty after being hired. If Trump wanted to hire both of them, he should have said it up front "You're both hired" to eliminate this controversy. Now Randall who clearly won and was the overwheling favorite has to hide out in an a nondeserved shame until this blows over.

Rebecca would have got a job in the Trump org later anyway, so why tarnish Randalls victory by setting him up to be hero, jerk or sellout..

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by freakusmaximus on 12-16-05 at 07:52 PM
Randall could have done the diplomatic thing and said, yes I worked with rebecca many times and know she is really good- if you want to hire her I would support your decision. that at least shows that its Trump's decision, not his, keeps good will between him and Trump (since Trump obviously wanted to hire rebecca anyway), makes randall more likable. there is a good chance trump will hire rebecca anyway- or at least try to and now there will be bad blood between her and randall. I think randall was so in the wrong. I actually think Rebecca should have won the entire thing, but Randall's behavior made me think so even more.
"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-16-05 at 08:30 PM
Rebecca was good, as wasn't great. Randall said on many occasion that he didn't think she was ready to be the Apprentice. Trump was basically asking him to just say she was better than she was.

People want to bash his integrity. Integrity is standing by your beliefs in the face of persecution and strife and the way Trump put him on the spot qualifies as strife and extreme pressure. To completely reverse his opinion would have made him a sell-out.

"RE: When did he say..."
Posted by corinthian10 on 12-16-05 at 10:02 PM
I agree with you. There's another major point that I'm not quite sure has been addressed. Rebecca raised zero dollars for her project and Randall raised $11,000. If this scenario had played out during any prior project, the loser of this magnitude would be brought back to the boardroom and be subjected to a barrage of scathing questions and reprimands by "The Donald", George, and Carolyn. This project manager would definitely be in jeopardy of being fired.

Why was Rebecca let off so easily? This last task was NOT close. Randall had an overwhelming victory, if the goal truly was to raise the most money for the charity.

It appears to me that this last project did not really matter. Both Randall and Rebecca were to be offered the "Apprentice" position. It's as if we were being duped.

Randall did the appropriate thing. Throughout the 13 weeks, the premise was that each person was working to be Trump's Apprentice. It was false marketing and deception if the actual reality was to have "apprenti" and not inform the job applicants of this.

Randall, you are competent, tough, and assertive, yet controlled in stressful situations, the kind of person Donald Trump wants and needs in his empire.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by lloyd on 12-16-05 at 10:12 PM
shocking
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by sheplu on 12-16-05 at 10:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 10:38 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-16-05 AT 10:37 PM (EST)

What kind of integrity does Rebecca really have? She had a responsibility to raise money for the AIDs foundation. Because she wanted to win she did not address Yahoo on their ridiculous policy. She came up with no Ideas to go around the policy. During the event there was no information about the AIDs Foundation. There was just a small banner and a envelope for donations. Who reads anything during and event that has Yahooteenies. She went as far as colored ice cubes for Yahoo.

If she had all this integrity or humanity where was it the night of the event? Trying to win that is where!!!!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by corinthian10 on 12-16-05 at 10:50 PM
I feel quite the contrary. Instead of being a jerk, he's a person who entered this job interview in good faith expecting that there would only be ONE Apprentice hired to run one of Trump's businesses.

There is a major point that I'm not quite sure has been addressed. Rebecca raised zero dollars for her project and Randall raised $11,000. If this scenario had played out during any prior project, the loser of this magnitude would be brought back to the boardroom and be subjected to a barrage of scathing questions and reprimands by "The Donald", George, and Carolyn. This project manager would definitely be in jeopardy of being fired.
Why was Rebecca let off so easily? This last task was NOT close. Randall had an overwhelming victory, if the goal truly was to raise the most money for the charity.

It appears to me that this last project did not really matter. Both Randall and Rebecca were to be offered the "Apprentice" position. It's as if we were being duped.

Randall did the appropriate thing. Throughout the 13 weeks, the premise was that each person was working to be Trump's Apprentice. It was false marketing and deception if the actual reality was to have "apprenti" and not inform the job applicants of this.

Randall, you are competent, tough, and assertive, yet controlled in stressful situations, the kind of person Donald Trump wants and needs in his empire.

"A Different Perspective "
Posted by sheplu on 12-16-05 at 11:25 PM
Lets say your kid spends 6 months getting ready for a spelling bee. The runner up can not spell as well as your child. she misses part of the last word. Your kid gets it right. The announcer claims they both won. How would you feel?
"WARNING - sheplu"
Posted by Bebo on 12-16-05 at 11:58 PM
Posting the same message over and over is a violation of our community guidelines. Reposting a message from a locked thread is a violation of our community guidelines.

Stop repeating - there's no need to post if you don't have anything new to add to the discussion.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by DrKegel on 12-17-05 at 08:00 AM

Since Trump said to Alla that she "almost made it," why didn't Trump ask Randal if he should hire Alla also? Why not reconsider his decision in dumping Chris and Marshawn and Josh since they displayed "loyalty" in backing Randal and working their a$$es off in the final challenge? And Felisha also. And Jennifer M. She was loyal and Randal didn't even ask her back to help him so it was altruistic.

Someone please name me one time in the history of this stale stupid program when The Donald and his two flunkies have EVER offered to SHARE a victory amongst two opposing teams when one team made money and the other MADE NO MONEY? Hmmmm? When did this happen? So the scenario with Alla and Josh should have been replayed. When it was found Alla's team boosted sales and Josh's team didn't didn't make any money for the sports store, they should have shared the victory and no one should have been sent home!

And George and Carolyn I'm shocked at. Why did George say there were two stars? Rebecca showed no skills, no managerial expertise and no originality. All she did is display some athletic ability in being able to hop around like a flea. She also showed she possesses no judgement because first she backed Toral, the following week she agreed that Toral should go home for being weak and incompetent, and then at the end she CHOSE an incompetent, weak player to be on the final task. So which is it? Did Toral deserve to go home or didn't she? And if she did, didn't Rebecca display very poor judgement in hiring a friend just because she's a friend and not because she's qualified to hold any position in your organization? The fact that Toral was on the team that ultimately earned NO MONEY for an AIDs foundation is just ridiculous. Reminds me of the hiring of Michael Brown.

This show is sooooo very bogus.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-17-05 at 08:42 AM
great points
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by halfpintlemon on 12-17-05 at 02:38 PM
If it's bogus why do you watch it?

Rebecca was told by the Yahoo executives that they didn't want their clients pressured for donations. Yahoo was Rebecca's sponsor; she needed to do what they said, or else they could pull their sponsorship and then you have no event.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by EnfanTerrible on 12-17-05 at 03:54 PM
I have worked with salespeople who smooched up to the clients like that. Once in a while you get a rare leader who can overcome the objections and show the client how to succeed. It's good for everyone in the long run, because in the real world, there would have been no TV show to point out that they hobbled her, so in the real world, they would have decided that she failed them and not hired her again.

IMO Rebecca did not deserve to win because she didn't overcome her clients' trepidation, but that doesn't excuse Randal's cutthroat attitude.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by D Trump on 12-17-05 at 09:53 PM
"I have worked with salespeople who
>smooched up to the clients
>like that. Once in a
>while you get a rare
>leader who can overcome the
>objections and show the client
>how to succeed. It's good
>for everyone in the long
>run, because in the real
>world, there would have been
>no TV show to point
>out that they hobbled her,
>so in the real world,
>they would have decided that
>she failed them and not
>hired her again.
>
>IMO Rebecca did not deserve to
>win because she didn't overcome
>her clients' trepidation, but that
>doesn't excuse Randal's cutthroat attitude."


What?

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by flower2 on 12-17-05 at 11:53 PM
>I have worked with salespeople who
>smooched up to the clients
>like that. Once in a
>while you get a rare
>leader who can overcome the
>objections and show the client
>how to succeed. It's good
>for everyone in the long
>run, because in the real
>world, there would have been
>no TV show to point
>out that they hobbled her,
>so in the real world,
>they would have decided that
>she failed them and not
>hired her again.
>
>IMO Rebecca did not deserve to
>win because she didn't overcome
>her clients' trepidation, but that
>doesn't excuse Randal's cutthroat attitude.
>
>
>

Good points. I wonder how the Donald would've felt if Rebecca had been hired and managed one of his events as poorly as she did this charity event? IMHO, she lacked initiative and creativity (2 critical skills a good leader must possess) by failing to come up with a way to generate donations for the charity


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by halfpintlemon on 12-18-05 at 08:55 PM
I thought Rebecca was very creative in the actual event. Yahootini's, purple ice cubes; In my opinion, she was extremely creative. The unfortunate thing is that the Yahoo! execs didn't want their VIPs pressed then and there.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Twinkles on 12-18-05 at 11:22 PM
I don't think the decision Randal made had anything to do with deciding not to share honor or glory. Does anyone recall Trump's one reservation about Randal? It was that he might not have the toughness that Gotham City requires. He might be too much Mr Nice Guy. I think Randal's point was all about who won.

Randal won the competition because Trump chose him. I was surprised for a moment at the end - after Randal said "no" to Rebecca also getting a job, but remembered, "It's not personal, it's only business." It's not a Christmas ham, it's not a door to hold open for Rebecca. It's a job - the one job for which they were competing from the time they applied. And, Randal was completing a portion of his apprenticeship for Donald by showing how business-like he could be. He stated what he thought Trump should do, period. He didn't go on and on. Trump was free to argue or think it was stupid.

Yes, we saw the changes throughout the season and that maybe there was room for 2, but he and Rebecca entered as though they were competing for one spot. Thinking Randal stinks for his decision is like deciding it would be "nice" to have 2 gold medals because, well, the guy who ran fastest has always been such a nice guy and if he doesn't decide to give the silver medalist a gold then I hate him now.

I can see the inclination to be disappointed in him, but it's like we already heard the coach say "if I don't hear you toughen up, I don't know if you'll make it on my team".

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 02:30 AM
>
>Since Trump said to Alla that
>she "almost made it," why
>didn't Trump ask Randal if
>he should hire Alla also?
>Why not reconsider his decision
>in dumping Chris and Marshawn
>and Josh since they displayed
>"loyalty" in backing Randal and
>working their a$$es off in
>the final challenge? And Felisha
>also. And Jennifer M. She
>was loyal and Randal didn't
>even ask her back to
>help him so it was
>altruistic.
>
>Someone please name me one time
>in the history of this
>stale stupid program when The
>Donald and his two flunkies
>have EVER offered to SHARE
>a victory amongst two opposing
>teams when one team made
>money and the other MADE
>NO MONEY? Hmmmm? When did
>this happen? So the scenario
>with Alla and Josh should
>have been replayed. When it
>was found Alla's team boosted
>sales and Josh's team didn't
>didn't make any money for
>the sports store, they should
>have shared the victory and
>no one should have been
>sent home!
>
>And George and Carolyn I'm shocked
>at. Why did George say
>there were two stars? Rebecca
>showed no skills, no managerial
>expertise and no originality. All
>she did is display some
>athletic ability in being able
>to hop around like a
>flea. She also showed she
>possesses no judgement because first
>she backed Toral, the following
>week she agreed that Toral
>should go home for being
>weak and incompetent, and then
>at the end she CHOSE
>an incompetent, weak player to
>be on the final task.
>So which is it? Did
>Toral deserve to go home
>or didn't she? And if
>she did, didn't Rebecca display
>very poor judgement in hiring
>a friend just because she's
>a friend and not because
>she's qualified to hold any
>position in your organization? The
>fact that Toral was on
>the team that ultimately earned
>NO MONEY for an AIDs
>foundation is just ridiculous. Reminds
>me of the hiring of
>Michael Brown.
>
>This show is sooooo very bogus.
>

I don't remember Rebecca agreeing that Toral should be fired because she was incompetent. I believe Rebecca's words were "the team cannot function with Toral on it". This was true because the women were more concerned with clashing with Toral than winning the task.

As far as choosing Toral back on her team for the final task, I can understand Rebecca's reasoning (although I dont necessarily agree with it). Who else could she choose? Alla? Felisha? Kristi? The women hated Rebecca from the beginning. Let's look at some of the men. Should Rebecca have requested to have Clay? Markus?? Rebecca had two of the best candidates (which in my opinion were fired unfairly) Chris and James. Toral perhaps was not the best candidate, but at least she was loyal to her in the end.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by sortinghat on 12-18-05 at 04:32 PM
I can't believe you're making such a big deal of this. Why should Randal share the prize? Rebecca raised no money at all. She had a 1-2 record as PM. What's so great about her? Maybe Alla deserved to be hired too, but not Rebecca.

Why is it Randal's fault that Rebecca was not hired? DT can do whatever he wants. If he wanted to hire Rebecca, he could have. He said, "I think I could have been convinced." So Randal could have talked him into hiring Rebecca, if he wanted to. It's not a case of DT wanting to hire two apprentices, but needing Randal's permission. I'm not even sure he was serious. It sounded like he was just being nice; a polite way to fill time and get a crowd reaction. You'll notice the show ended right there; they didn't really have time for another big surprise at that point.

If Rebecca were hired, her first act would be to hire Toral as an assistant. So I can't blame Randal for not wanting Rebecca in the Trump organization.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by halfpintlemon on 12-18-05 at 08:56 PM
Was Toral all that bad in the finale? I couldn't tell because the only thing they ever showed was her looking nervous.
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by RealityRanter on 12-18-05 at 09:25 PM
This whole situation boils down to DT testing Randal.

If I'm about to hire a guy who is going to be in an upper-level position of my company, I want to make sure I'm not going to hire the guy who will be giving a helping hand to his competition. The show is about big business. Big business is cut-throat. Regardless of DT's choice on who to hire, I would hope that both contestants would have answered exactly as Randal did.


Ranting and Raving - That's what I'm craving!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Ricky on 12-19-05 at 00:19 AM
Hi RealityRanter, welcome to the boards.

If I'm about to hire a guy who is going to be in an upper-level position of my company, I want to make sure I'm not going to hire the guy who will be giving a helping hand to his competition.

Maybe, but if DT would have hired both of them, then that would have made the company stronger. Randal may have been thinking of himself more than DT's companies as a whole. Plus they each would chose different projects, so she really wasn't his direct competition.



In the end, those of us that walk away winning, win more than just a loss - Audrey, Apprentice loser

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-19-05 at 07:22 AM
But the press would have promoted the myth that there was a double-win and a double-hire.

That is not fair, especially given the original rules of the game.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by LetsBReel on 12-19-05 at 10:19 AM
LETS BE REAL


None of you would have felt offended, knowing the rules of the show? None of you would have reacted in the same matter?

LETS BE REAL

Why should he share? Why was he put on spot to make the decision?
Why should he lose credibility because he felt HE was the only winner?

This is business folks let's not forget. Trump himself has burnt many to get to where he is now. Does he lose credibility?

hhhmmm.....

Some underlying issuses need to be addressed!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by prosecutor on 12-19-05 at 10:34 AM
What happened this season. Where is Randal's car?
"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-19-05 at 10:54 AM
They haven't always given the winner a car. I think that was just one reward after the first season. Maybe Chrysler didn't sponsor the show after that. I don't know...

Randal probably does not need a car. (smiles)

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by CantStandToLook on 12-19-05 at 12:10 PM
very true, only two that I recall won cars also. Bill and Kendra (and if people weren't talking about her now I still would be a loss for her name).

I dont want to trade on Donalds bias towards race or sex but where the hell has Kendra been all year, Kelly barely gets mentioned and I'm guessing that we may never hear from Randall again.

Makes one wonder????

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by drebaby on 12-19-05 at 01:02 PM
Randall was on "Regis and Kelly" this morning. He was asked about not being prepared when Trump put him on the spot and asked him if he should hire Rebecca too. He gave an honest answer that most us would have said if given time to think it out. "You don't share your your Gold Medal with second place or you don't share the NBA ring or crown with the runner up. He indicated that he and Trump will probably talk later about what Rebecca can do for the organization, (f she dcideds not to hang with Yahoo.)

Randal won this because DT chose him. If Trump wanted both of them, he should have said you are both hired right then, instead of putting Randal on the spot.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by toddE on 12-19-05 at 02:48 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-19-05 AT 02:55 PM (EST)

I loved Kendra, and she certainly is AWOL. Kelly as well, and Randal will be next. Bill is probably the only "real" Apprentice DT will have from this show.

When I saw the episode, I felt Randal wanted to show he could be "hard and tough," because that was always a question about him.

I knew he'd have his image tarnished either way. If he'd had the time to think of a smooth response allowing him to be the Apprentice but throw Rebecca a bone, he would have done so. But he got put on the spot, with no time to think.

It would have been no skin of his @$$, true. But he probably didn't have a chance to think all of that through.

eta: Well, I guess he would have said the same things, now that I see what he said on Regis & Kelly. Which is too bad, since he would still be the only "winner," and he would come off a lot more gracious. But it was his right to choose as he did.

Now, about him and Donald having a conversation about Rebecca? I find that rather doubtful. As said above, I have to wonder how many conversations Kelly and Kendra have with DT.

I've always thought this was the only reality show I'd love to be on, but would not want to win.


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by slw531 on 12-19-05 at 12:55 PM
>LETS BE REAL
>
>
>None of you would have felt
>offended, knowing the rules of
>the show? None of you
>would have reacted in the
>same matter?
>
>LETS BE REAL
>
>Why should he share? Why was
>he put on spot to
>make the decision?
>Why should he lose credibility because
>he felt HE was the
>only winner?
>
>This is business folks let's not
>forget. Trump himself has burnt
>many to get to where
>he is now. Does he
>lose credibility?
>
>hhhmmm.....
>
>Some underlying issuses need to be
>addressed!

ITA !


"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by Sierra1947 on 12-19-05 at 07:15 PM
I am too very annoyed at Randal. He should have been man enough to say "YES", especially when DT said earlier this is not a game, I take it seriously. But then, DT should have said "she's hired too!

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by singer on 12-20-05 at 11:13 AM
Based on the rules and on performance, The Donald could not say that.

That is why he has tried to drag Randal into a bad decision that he was determined to make, in spite of established rules.

--Singer

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by DrKegel on 12-20-05 at 12:25 PM

>I am too very annoyed at Randal. He should have been man enough to say "YES", especially when DT said earlier this is not a game, I take it seriously. But then, DT should have said "she's hired too!

And Becky should have been woman enough to say, "NO," when DT asked if Randal had lost a little of his shine for making a mistake. What skin off her nose would it have been to admit that Randal's mistake was silly and inconsequential and had nothing to do with them losing the task? But she couldn't resist the chance to skewer Randal even though it was his own initiative that drove him to print up the advertisment. Becky hadn't even thought to do so. This was one of several mistakes she made.

The main reasons they lost the task were because our little Becky was:

1. Out of control in choosing a singer whose style of music was not compatible with what the radio station played. What did she say? That she thought she could "push" the channel in a different direction? Idiot!

and

2. Showed her racism when she thought ANY black singer from Africa was Seal! No, Becky, the singer you chose was his own person and had nothing to do with the guy married to Heidi Klum, you stupid @@@@!!!!

I'm sure Heidi wouldn't get them confused.

"RE: I don't believe he did it"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 12-23-05 at 02:37 AM
Could you clarify exactly when Rebecca made the Seal comparison? As far as I can remember, it was Clay who used the Seal reference, not Rebecca. And why is this comparison a form of racism? Am I missing something?