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"10:00-11:00pm"

Posted by flipxcyd on 03-25-09 at 03:10 PM
I thought I'd create this one just to get up to speed. We're missing 5 hours.

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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 03-25-09 at 03:26 PM
so is Jack infetcted or not?


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Jims02 on 03-25-09 at 10:14 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-25-09 AT 10:14 PM (EST)

It reminds me of the hotel nerve gas (or something) outbreak in Season 3 and Michelle's status was in limbo. That was actually a pretty surprising outcome, since TrueDorkTimes predicted she was a goner. I might be wrong about their prediction, but that's what I remember.

The real question is, will the tests on Jack take approximately 50 minutes to do?


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by sica077 on 03-25-09 at 08:40 PM
So, I am all about starting a more recent thread, but I really wanted to comment on the last post on the 4:00 - 5:00 thread, so I will quote AyaK when needed .

We know that Jack Bauer will be back in Season 8, which is set six weeks after the day of Season 7.

This made me smile. On every Monday, sometime before the chime of 24, DH will turn to me and say, "So... do you think Jack will die tonight?" It is certainly a stupid inside joke, seeing as how 24 simply is not 24 without Jack! I cannot bear the thought of being without him and I will probably stop watching if they try to continue without him at some point.

So there is no suicide mission in Season 7 for Jack, but we also know that Jack gets sick (or, at least, that Renee tells Kim that Jack is sick in a later episode during this season).

Wait! Did I miss something? When did Renee talk to Kim?

As far as evil Olivia, leaking the "Jack Bauer murdered Senator Meyer" story was a huge mistake, because not even the FBI believes it any longer. Since Larry Moss only told his staff and Ethan Kanin, and Ethan only told it Allison and Olivia, it pretty much fingers Olivia as the source of the leak, doesn't it?

Yes it certainly does. Hopefully mommy isn't completely blinded by excitement that her daughter is back in her life. Olivia could try to point the finger at some unknown "mole" within the FBI. Lol, clearly I do not like this girl!


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 03-26-09 at 11:32 AM
>I cannot bear the thought of being without him and I
>will probably stop watching if they try to continue without
>him at some point.

According to executive producer Howard Gordon, Season 8 will be the last season. Jack and Renee have both been confirmed as part of the cast.

>Wait! Did I miss something? When did Renee talk to Kim?

She hasn't yet, but one of the scenes in one of the many promos had Renee saying into the phone words to the effect of, "Your father is sick," and it's been presumed for some time that Renee was talking to Kim (who is supposed to return around Episode 18).


"Deleted scenes list -- SPOILERS"
Posted by AyaK on 03-27-09 at 03:01 PM
Sorry, the Renee-Kim call comes from the deleted scenes list that was included in the pre-release promo materials for the Season 7 DVD. I have blanked the list except for that item because of its spoilers, but you can highlight it and see it if you want:

Deleted Scenes with Optional Commentary by Co-Executive Producer Stephen Kronish and Producer Paul Gadd
Ep 702, Sc 7233 Jack talks about his daughter
Ep 702, Sc 7248 Colonel Dubaku sends a message
Ep 706, Sc 7630 Larry confronts Sean
Ep 706, Sc 7635 President Taylor recites her message
Ep 709, Sc 7904 Jack helps Henry until the EMTs arrive
Ep 710, Sc 71048 Chloe disseminates Dubaku’s files

Ep 718, Sc 71834 Agent Walker tells Kim that Jack is sick
Ep 718, Sc 71837 Kim visits her father
Ep 721, Sc 72101 President Taylor and Tim Woods discuss the emergency response protocols
Ep 724, Sc 72403 Tony drags Jack
Ep 724, Sc 72412 President Taylor doubts herself
Ep 724, Sc 72415 The contingency plan is revealed
Ep 724, Sc 72436 Agent Walker orders that the suspect be transported back to FBI
Ep 724, Sc 72437 Tim worries about President Taylor

FWIW, the production halt on the show came after episode 718, so this storyline may have been deleted in part.


"RE: Deleted scenes list -- SPOILERS"
Posted by sica077 on 03-27-09 at 04:48 PM
>FWIW, the production halt on the show came after episode 718,
>so this storyline may have been deleted in part.

I can only cross all of my fingers and toes and hope... I flipping hate Kim.


"RE: Deleted scenes list -- SPOILERS"
Posted by trigirl on 03-29-09 at 03:06 PM
I flipping hate Kim.

You all know I like to jump on the Canadian actor rah rah rah....but I think it would just be wonderful if Elisha Cuthbert would give up her Canadian passport.


"Kim"
Posted by AyaK on 04-06-09 at 02:45 PM
Fox has confirmed that Kim will return in Ep. 18.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by trigirl on 03-29-09 at 03:04 PM
Season 8 will be the last season.

Noooooo.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by sica077 on 03-29-09 at 07:50 PM
Ditto, trigirl. *sniffle*

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by grit on 03-30-09 at 07:29 AM
Well, I finally caught up on my 24 episodes. I'm not much for spoilers because sometimes it gets a little confusing for me, especially when the spoilers turn out to be wrong.

However, I am pretty excited because the previews for tonight's episode show a naked Jack Bauer being hosed down in the middle of the road - the stuff of every middle-aged woman's fantasies . I would be more excited except this is FOX so we're sure to see some well-placed items so that we don't see the really good parts.


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by sica077 on 03-30-09 at 09:12 AM
Good points, Grit! I will keep my eyes peeled for any mistakes the camera crew may have made!

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by PsychoKitty on 04-21-09 at 01:00 PM
Hi there! I'm late to the party - have never posted on this 24 board. . . But that WAS a sweet moment!!! Will have to buy the DVD now so I can pause that scene . . .! I'm also lovin' Jeffrey Nordling in this!


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"11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by sittem on 04-01-09 at 03:03 AM
You just had to know that Greg was too good to be true - still need to fill 8 more hours and finding the weapon this week just wasn't in the cards.

With this failure it's time for Jack to get back in the hunt - maybe he and Renee will take off on their own again?

Chloe and Morris have to get back on track again soon don't they?

Didn't Olivia look a little sick when it was revealed Jack hadn't killed the senator and his aide? I still think it's all about her and some of her own agenda and not Starkwood.

Finally how does Jack's health agenda resolve - since season 8 comes not long after the end of this one does that mean it's going to be a slow moving process that will allow him one more day?

Just wondering...

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"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-01-09 at 09:06 AM

Olivia did look a little sick, but that look was removed when that look of reveling in power took over!!!!

Did she forget that what she said is going to be broadcast? She must have because she didn't run for a phone to cancel what she had said!!!!! Idiot!!!! Hoisted by her own pitard!!! Or whatever!!!

Anyway, can someone help me out here? I only look forward to this show all week, but I was multi-tasking in the middle of it. I saw dot ... dash .... dot .... dash. In other words, I watched intermittently.

What happened when that chick showed Jack his blood work? I thought it was good that the door was opened, but obviously ... not???? That's why he couldn't go on the FBI mission?

And the mission I missed. I saw that Tony went with the guy to his office and got a secure line and they called in and that putz Janice Gold actually asked if he wanted to take a call from Tony Almeida????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What??!!! What's with her character?? She sure isn't wrapped too tight!!! What's he gonna say, "Tony Almeida??? Oh, gee, NAYYYYYY, make up an excuse and tell him I'll call him back later!!!"

But anyways, they get the coordinates and then after that ... er ... missed what happened!!! I guess they attacked Starkwood? Did the Prez mom give permission??? I caught sight of Voight's face. I'm assuming he knew they were attacking? Did he do anything? Move the weapons? So I need to know:

1. Blood work result. Heard the description of what the pathogen was. Jack's toast?

2. What happened after the call to the FBI telling them the weapo position??? Is Tony still with that mystery man? Did they separate as to not cause suspicion???


"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-01-09 at 09:19 AM
>1. Blood work result. Heard the description of what the pathogen
>was. Jack's toast?

Yes, the blood work result indicated that Jack was infected by the pathogen (prion). Supposedly, he has only 1-2 days to live.

>2. What happened after the call to the FBI telling them
>the weapo position??? Is Tony still with that mystery man?
>Did they separate as to not cause suspicion???

Greg Seaton's help for Tony was all part of Hodges' plot. Remember back at the start of the episode, when Hodges said that Almeida wouldn't break and you'd need a different strategy with him? Everything Seaton did was faked to lead the FBI into a trap long enough for Hodges to weaponize the pathogen. The guy leading the Skarkwood troops that ambush the FBI? Stokes, the guy Seaton supposedly shot.


"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-05-09 at 10:19 PM
>>1. Blood work result. Heard the description of what the pathogen
>>was. Jack's toast?
>
>Yes, the blood work result indicated
>that Jack was infected by
>the pathogen (prion). Supposedly,
>he has only 1-2 days
>to live.
>
---------------------------------------------
Aw crap! I knew it though!!

============================================================

>>2. What happened after the call to the FBI telling them
>>the weapo position??? Is Tony still with that mystery man?
>>Did they separate as to not cause suspicion???
>
>Greg Seaton's help for Tony was
>all part of Hodges' plot.
> Remember back at the
>start of the episode, when
>Hodges said that Almeida wouldn't
>break and you'd need a
>different strategy with him?
>Everything Seaton did was faked
>to lead the FBI into
>a trap long enough for
>Hodges to weaponize the pathogen.
> The guy leading the
>Skarkwood troops that ambush the
>FBI? Stokes, the guy
>Seaton supposedly shot.
--------------------------------

NICE TWIST!!! So cool!!! I wouldn't have guessed that one, and didn't!!!!

I'm back to thinking it's going to be a suicide mission for Jack. If the FBI troops are trapped by this bioweapon with this pathogen, who else would dismantle it??? Jack's already toast? What's he gonna do? Get sick? He already is?

Poor Jack!!! But he can't die!!!! They don't have anybody to take his place!!! Everyone watches to see him.

So he does the suicide mission and exposes Jon Voight to the gas and then ... then ... hmmmm ... does Starkwood have an antidote? They did develop the weapon????

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE RECAP!!!!!!!!!




"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-06-09 at 02:48 PM
It would seem as if Starkwood must have some small experimental dose of an antidote, since we know Jack doesn't die in 1-2 days (or he couldn't star in the next season). I don't know how long it will take before we find out about it, though.

Since Jack isn't contagious, they could stretch that out until the end of the season.


"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-01-09 at 09:11 AM
Season 8 is set 6 weeks after the end of Season 7, so Jack won't die in 1-2 days, as CDC predicted last episode. I have to assume that he's put on some type of experimental medication, but the writers may have wanted to go in a different direction.

As far as Olivia's sick look, I think it was more due to the fact that she leaked the story about Jack having killed Senator Mayer and thus had to have it spiked. The trailer for next week's show makes it look as if she has to make amends by "getting physical" with the reporter.

Remember that Chloe was actually pregnant while filming and so she had to miss a bunch of episodes as a result (which is also why she was behind a desk in the episodes prior to her "arrest"). She'll certainly be back at the end of the season, because they took a production break after episode 18.


"RE: 11:00 = 12:00 pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-05-09 at 10:23 PM

Oh, yeah, the sick look definitely cause of the story she leaked. No doubt, but as soon as mama bear started talking about the temporary position.

It wouldn't surprise me if she got physical with the reporter because now it's HER position being threatened!!!!

Can't stand Olivia!!! What a putz!!!


"Fox summaries of upcoming episodes"
Posted by AyaK on 04-06-09 at 03:05 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-06-09 AT 03:22 PM (EST)

Tonight, episode 17:

JACK COPES AS THE MOUNTING TENSION REACHES A CRESCENDO WHEN STARKWOOD TAKES AIM ON "24" MONDAY, APRIL 6, ON FOX

As the day stretches into the middle of the night, Jack and the FBI formulate a plan to prevent further terror attacks. Events take an unexpected turn when the politics surrounding the administration expand beyond the White House in the "Day 7: 12:00 AM-1:00 AM" episode of 24 airing Monday, April 6 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-717) (TV-14 L, S, V)

Cast: Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer, Mary Lynn Rajskub as Chloe O' Brian, James Morrison as Bill Buchanan, Janeane Garofalo as Janis Gold, Cherry Jones as President Allison Taylor, Carlos Bernard as Tony Almeida, Annie Wersching as Renee Walker, Colm Feore as Henry Taylor, Bob Gunton as Ethan Kanin and Jeffrey Nordling as Larry Moss <This list never changes>

Guest Cast: Jon Voight as Jonas Hodges; Michael Rodrick as Stokes; Sprague Grayden as Olivia Taylor; Kevin Fry-Bowers as Cooper; Connor Trinneer as Carl Gadsen; Glenn Morshower as Aaron Pierce; Cameron Daddo as Vice President Hayworth; Rory Cochrane as Greg Seaton and Stephen Jared as Greer

Separate Fox summary:

The nonstop seventh season continues Monday, April 6 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) when the FBI braces for a standoff with Starkwood, a private military firm helmed by mastermind Jonas Hodges (guest star Jon Voight). After Jack's recent exposure to the lethal pathogen, emotions boil over as his health worsens. Meanwhile, conniving First Daughter Olivia Taylor (guest star Sprague Grayden) accepts the desperate measures necessary to prevent further panic within the administration.

Next week, episode 18:

JACK AND TONY ATTEMPT TO THWART THE ESCALATING TERROR ATTACK ON "24" MONDAY, APRIL 13, ON FOX

Kim Bauer (Guest Star Elisha Cuthbert) Returns

Jack Bauer endures the elements and fights on to prevent an attack that could change the country forever. As the catastrophic blow to the nation nears, Tony Almeida operates from the field and Kim Bauer (guest star Elisha Cuthbert), who was last seen in Season Five, returns. Meanwhile, the stakes are raised when the administration is faced with a blackmail scenario in the "1:00 AM-2:00 AM" episode of 24 airing Monday, April 13 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-718) (TV-14 V)

Guest Cast: Jon Voight as Jonas Hodges; Elisha Cuthbert as Kim Bauer; Michael Rodrick as Stokes; Sprague Grayden as Olivia Taylor; Glenn Morshower as Aaron Pierce; Frank John Hughes as Tim Woods; Marci Michelle as Agent Marci; Rory Cochrane as Greg Seaton; Philip Anthony-Rodriguez as Tom Chapman; Gabriel Casseus as Galvez

Two weeks, episode 19, after the second production break:

JACK BAUER'S DAY TAKES A TURN FOR THE WORSE ON "24" MONDAY, APRIL 20, ON FOX

As the nation remains vulnerable, Jack Bauer endures the worsening pathogen pain. The FBI deals with recent deadly developments while matters involving key players takes this day into a unexpected direction in the "Day 7: 2:00 AM-3:00 AM" episode of 24 airing Monday, April 20 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-719) (TV-14 V)

Guest Cast: Jon Voight as Jonas Hodges; Elisha Cuthbert as Kim Bauer; Michael Rodrick as Stokes; Sprague Grayden as Olivia Taylor; Glenn Morshower as Aaron Pierce; Will Patton as Alan Wilson; Karim Price as Med Tech; Gabriel Casseus as Galvez; Kathryn Gordon as Patricia

***************************
Lot of discussion within the "spoiler community" over the mention of "FBI ... recent deadly developments" in Ep. 19. But it's all speculation for now. Does Larry buy the farm? Speculation is YES, which puts Renee in charge for the final 6 episodes ... or does it?

My team choked.


"RE: Fox summaries of upcoming episodes"
Posted by sica077 on 04-06-09 at 07:02 PM

>Kim Bauer (Guest Star Elisha Cuthbert)
>Returns

*all color drains from face*

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


"RE: Fox summaries of upcoming episodes"
Posted by AyaK on 04-07-09 at 06:36 PM
They gave us the excuse last night. Jack needs a sample from a family member for the experimental "antidote." He won't call Kim. So Renee does.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-07-09 at 12:41 PM

Olivia is a ho on top of everything else???!!!!

Oh, jeessshhh!!!

I am confused about one thing though - that story she gave Ken. Is that his name?

Wasn't there a deadline connected with that story and weren't they running with it? The original one where Jack had killed the Senator. Why didn't that run? I don't remember her making a call to him? I remember her face being ashen when she was with momma bear and learned that it wasn't Jack that was responsible.

Also if momma bear knows that Jack wasn't involved, why doesn't she just get back her Sec'y of State and tell Olivia to take a hike? In the original conversation he had with her, he said his resignation would be on her desk in the morning. Now if he exhibited good judgment and not bad judgment in having Jack brought back into things, then ??????

Really, that story about Jack being a blood-thirty killer should have been splattered all over the media. Unless I missed something - and I was multi-tasking last Monday.

Anyone? Is this story fraying? I hope not. I hate loopholes and not having things make sense just to keep a character around. Especially one as scummy as Olivia.

The scumbag we love to hate!!!!


"The Jack story"
Posted by AyaK on 04-07-09 at 06:33 PM
As far as I know, the "Jack story" ran. Olivia even made a comment last night as to how she'd already given the reporter one story that day.

Would Ethan (chief of staff, not Sec. of State) un-resign as a result of the story being false? No. That would be up to the President, and generally you want to have someone in your administration volunteer to be thrown under the bus when you have a day of disasters, as this day would have been for the Taylor White House.

By resigning, Ethan has given outsiders someone to blame for the problems of the day. Of course, Ethan would normally stay around the administration in some fashion since he resigned as a result of something that didn't really happen; he'd just be placed in a different role.

And Allison Taylor wanted to keep her daughter around. She fails to realize that she failed as a parent even more than she has failed as president.


"RE: The Jack story"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-08-09 at 06:28 PM
>As far as I know, the
>"Jack story" ran. Olivia
>even made a comment last
>night as to how she'd
>already given the reporter one
>story that day.

-----------------

Yes, definitely heard her say that, but that begs the question if it ran! If it ran, then the Prez wasn't apprised of that story being leaked? Maybe even Ethan would contact her and tell her! It would mean someone leaked it and I'm sure he has that ax he'd love to grind - right in Olivia's behind!

Or a press secy? Did the press secy get offed in the takeover? This doesn't make any sense that someone wouldn't have told the Prez that a major leak took place within the past hour!!! And it all falls right on Olivia's skanky shoulders!!!!

==================
>
>Would Ethan (chief of staff, not
>Sec. of State) un-resign as
>a result of the story
>being false? No.
>That would be up to
>the President, and generally you
>want to have someone in
>your administration volunteer to be
>thrown under the bus when
>you have a day of
>disasters, as this day would
>have been for the Taylor
>White House.
>
-------------

Thrown under a bus???!!!! I nominate, "OLIVIA!!!"

===================
>By resigning, Ethan has given outsiders
>someone to blame for the
>problems of the day.
>Of course, Ethan would normally
>stay around the administration in
>some fashion since he resigned
>as a result of something
>that didn't really happen; he'd
>just be placed in a
>different role.
>
>And Allison Taylor wanted to keep
>her daughter around. She
>fails to realize that she
>failed as a parent even
>more than she has failed
>as president.

--------------------

Alright, this means I will NEVER vote for another Prez that has kids!!!! They're probably spoiled, ho, skank brats just like Olivia!!!

Not voting for them if they're married either!!!!

Yes, but the fact remains she would realize it was her skank offspring if the story had run and someone had bothered to tell her!!!!

Why isn't Jack watching the news??? He's been moping about, might as well put him to some use!!! What about Chloe and her husband in the conference room? They could watch!!!

I really don't see how this story could have escaped their attention if it ran!!!

And as far as Jack goes, I see him having a showdown with Hodges.



"RE: The Jack story"
Posted by PsychoKitty on 04-21-09 at 01:55 PM
I love it!!! <<Olivia is a ho on top of everything else???!!!! >>

Oh yes she is!!! And a bad one at that! That was the shortest (!) quickest (!) "lvoe scene" ever. That journalist got a little shortchanged there. Poor Aaron having to wait for 10 minutes out in the hallway for the slut Chief of Staff. Bring back Ethan!!!


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-13-09 at 09:02 PM

WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID I JUST SEE WHAT I THOUGHT I SAW?!!!!!!!!!!!

TONY? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by sica077 on 04-13-09 at 09:41 PM
I am so mad at Tony right now. I feel so betrayed.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 04-15-09 at 09:26 AM
BAD Tony Bad!



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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by bondt007 on 04-13-09 at 11:45 PM
...they spent the last 20 minutes of the show tonight whispering. Can't anyone talk?? *ah, drama*


"April 13th"
Posted by Loree on 04-14-09 at 00:04 AM
Tonight's ep was better than last week's. Jack got to be emotional with Kim. We lost Moss. And Tony was a bad boy. But you gotta wonder why and what is Tony really up to? He seemed very interested in Kim visiting Jack.

"RE: April 13th"
Posted by AyaK on 04-14-09 at 11:20 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-14-09 AT 05:52 PM (EST)

Actually, I loved last week's episode. And I was enraptured by tonight's episode until the "Tony twist." Now I know why production was shut down after this episode for script patches; they had to go back and make sure there weren't any blatant inconsistencies in the earlier episodes re Tony, as well as make sure that this all ended up as a pre-planned scheme of Tony's.

That means that everything involving Bill and Chloe was a setup by Tony as well. So why did Tony steal the bioweapon? And for whom? And why was he so interested in Kim seeing Jack (yeah, I noticed that too)?

But look at the pile of implausibilities here. Tony had to be captured by Starkwood so he could be part of the FBI raid so he could be left behind, but he was only left behind because of the call by Jack to Doug -- how could that have been anticipated? For that matter, how could Tony have known any of what happened, including Jack's involvement? Without Jack being hooked into the FBI through Renee, all of the "rump CTU" activities look pretty stupid. Oh well, time to just go with the flow and see how this works out.

*MINI SPOILER* Tony is apparently involved with the blonde lawyer that we saw in the previews talking to Jonah. And Carlos Bernard says that the plan was always for Tony to be duplicitous and evil.


"RE: April 13th"
Posted by trigirl on 04-14-09 at 12:22 PM
At least I didn't see that one coming.

"RE: April 13th"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-14-09 at 01:01 PM
I thought the whole Tony twist was ridiculous and not because I don't want Tony to be a bad guy, but everything that Ayak just said.

That whole plotline is weak.


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"RE: April 13th"
Posted by Bebo on 04-14-09 at 02:51 PM
I thought I was just whining about it because I lost one more piece of eye candy this week. Seriously, we older women lost our Bill, and now we can't gaze into those deep blue eyes of Larry anymore. And with Tony caught in the Improbable Plot Line twist, we can't appreciate his merits.


"RE: April 13th"
Posted by AyaK on 04-14-09 at 06:06 PM
One interesting thing is that the rumors about this season have generally been on the money, although none were confirmed. It was rumored that Jack would be infected. It was rumored that Tony would turn out to be evil. It was rumored that Larry would die. All true.

Someone that actually knows the plot confirmed for me in another forum that Olivia is similar to season 1 Sherry Palmer BUT NOT season 2 Sherry Palmer. In other words, she is unscrupulous about self-advancement but not part of the evil plot. So she isn't part of Tony's hidden cabal.

As you may have noticed in the previews above, we do have a new character coming in played by an important actor: Will Patton as Alan Wilson. I don't figure he's here for a cameo.


"RE: April 13th"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-16-09 at 08:09 AM
Ayak, if you don't start hiding things like your second paragraph I'm going to sick Bebo on you! Quit it.

Bebo - I feel your pain. I'm still in morning over Bill. I know Slice had dibs but a girl can enjoy the view.


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"RE: April 13th"
Posted by PsychoKitty on 04-21-09 at 06:40 PM
I totally agree! Bill dying was horrible - not just from the standpoint of someone who LOVES the show ever since it first aired and really is enmeshed with the characters. . . but what a dreamboat! And I've been trying to contact TVGuide.com for a couple of weeks to somehow do a Cheer! for Jeffrey Nordling - his portrayal of Larry Moss is the best work I've ever seen him do! So conflicted, straight arrow and by the book rigid, but smart and wanting to do the right thing, and so sexy hotttt! A girl does have to enjoy the view! And Tony's killing Larry - I disagree re the plot being weak - that was SUCH a shocker! You cannot go into 24 and analyze it carefully - it doesn't always hold up - but that was a great intense moment - the kind 24 is known for! Whew - and last night was more of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride!!!!

I'm a lovin' it! Tho' the sexy Carlos Bernard is losing me with his evil side. . .

Not that I have an opinion one way or another ;)
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"RE: April 13th"
Posted by sica077 on 04-18-09 at 06:22 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-09 AT 06:23 PM (EST)

>Actually, I loved last week's episode.
> And I was enraptured
>by tonight's episode until the
>"Tony twist." Now I
>know why production was shut
>down after this episode for
>script patches; they had to
>go back and make sure
>there weren't any blatant inconsistencies
>in the earlier episodes re
>Tony, as well as make
>sure that this all ended
>up as a pre-planned scheme
>of Tony's.

Mr. Keifer Sutherland had a DUI and jail time somewhere in this season. I am pretty sure that is one of the main reasons they had to take some time off from production.


"Sorry, but no"
Posted by AyaK on 04-21-09 at 05:20 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-09 AT 05:20 AM (EST)

Kiefer's jail time was served after production shut down for the writer's strike, which happened after episode 9, as we have previously discussed.

The two-week shutdown after episode 18 was entirely connected to the script.


"RE: Sorry, but no"
Posted by sica077 on 04-23-09 at 09:13 AM
Geez. Sorry, my apologies.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-16-09 at 11:40 AM

But look at the pile of implausibilities here. Tony had to be captured by Starkwood so he could be part of the FBI raid so he could be left behind, but he was only left behind because of the call by Jack to Doug -- how could that have been anticipated?

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Why would that have to be anticipated? Maybe he was playing things by ear? Remember we still don't know who he's working for - or what their purpose is. Is it part of the bigger cabal? Remember Hodges mentioning that his operation was the tip of the iceberg? Is Tony part of this overseer group?

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For that matter, how could Tony have known any of what happened, including Jack's involvement? Without Jack being hooked into the FBI through Renee, all of the "rump CTU" activities look pretty stupid.
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Don't understand this. What did Tony know that he shouldn't have known? I don't remember him saying anything about something that he didn't have knowledge of?

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Oh well, time to just go with the flow and see how this works out.
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EXACTLY!!! It has to be determined what group he's aligned with and what he's doing. Remember he's the one with the tip that led to finding out about the attack on the Prez! He said he was in contact with people that said the plane thing wasn't the end of it!!!

Was Hodges out of control? Remember Hodges killed off his "partner" when he got in the way? Did the people over Hodges think he was expendable or had gotten a little too big? We don't know. Or it could be a group is trying to bring down the people over Starkwood. It looks like Hodges gets out so is the bioweapon going to be used against them.

The other possibility is that Tony is a mercenary whose services go to the highest bidder. It could be why he keeps apparently switching sides. Then again, if you're being watched - which he wasn't when he hotwired those Starkwood missiles - he had to follow through and play the part he's pretending to be.

Now if the plot twist doesn't explain his destroying the missiles carrying the bioweapon at Starkwood while keeping a supply for himself - that's going to be a problem!!! As stated, he wasn't being watched at STarkwood and could easily have not done anything and said, Oops, didn't have time - or I was being watched - or there was no opportunity - or any number of things!!! Who would know? No one! But he went out of his way to complete that mission, but part of the mission that the FBI was not aware of was squirreling away that hidden amount of the bio weapon.

Hmmmmm....

I love this series!!! Best thing on TV at the present moment!!!


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-16-09 at 06:01 PM
What did Tony know that he shouldn't have known? I don't remember him saying anything about something that he didn't have knowledge of?

I believe Tony is supposed to have known about the bioweapon all the time. As I noted above, the writers stopped production to rework the scripts for episodes 19 and 20 in an effort to have this sequence make sense. We'll see how well they did shortly.

Is Tony part of this overseer group?

Whenever I see the term "overseer", I think of the short-lived TV show Alien Nation. If you saw the show, you'd understand. If not, I can't explain it adequately.

But I don't think Tony is higher on the "food chain" of the cabal than Emerson was.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-16-09 at 07:05 PM
Well, why wouldn't Tony have known about the bioweapon? Wasn't he with Jack at the site where the bioweapon was unloaded? Wasn't that where Jack decided to not let the security guard get blown away? Jack drove off in the truck and Tony got captured?

So can we agree on this point:

Tony couldn't be a member of Starkwood - or at least Hodge's Starkwood - because he wouldn't have been tortured. And he wouldn't have been set-up to tell Jack about what was going on at Starkwood? So any logical script would have to tell us why Tony would be against Starkwood having the bioweapon, but also have to explain why Tony thought it was fine to steal some for another group? And this group must be either who he works for or who is paying him?

Can we also agree Olivia is a skanky ho?

Just threw that in.

As for the overseer group, it doesn't matter what you call them. I don't know their name because I don't know who Tony is working for. I assume it would make sense since Hodges brought up this William Cooper-size conspiracy in that Starkwood wasn't the key player, but only a cog in the wheel of a larger group. Would hierarchy be better? Ringleaders? I don't see why it would matter and still don't see why the script is not making sense if Tony always knew.

I was multi-tasking that one episode so it may be I missed something, but things are fitting into place.

Oh, except for that news story ... did that run? If it didn't why? If it did why doesn't anyone know?


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 04-16-09 at 07:10 PM

Actually is Moss really dead? Didn't Jack play a trick with Walker pretending to be dead? Did they shoot Moss? I don't think so. Think they just left him for dead. So if he and Alameida had a plan ...?

Maybe Juma had more men in the US that needed to be flushed out and a canister of this crap would do it? Maybe the bioweapon isn't in there .. but that would be unlikely. That would mean someone in starkwood would be helping Tony by emptying the canister and filling it with helium so they can make funny cartoon voices.

But the first point, Walker did fake being dead.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-20-09 at 11:37 PM
Yep, Moss is dead and Tony is bad.


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Loree on 04-20-09 at 11:49 PM
Tony is evil...

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-21-09 at 05:33 AM
>Yep, Moss is dead and Tony is bad.

...and the plot went down just as I feared: Tony was apparently a safeguard by "Mr. Bigbadguy" (Will Patton) against the patriotic but somewhat deranged Jonas Hodges at Starkwood. And the entire line in the preview from Tony about "one more shock pushing America over the edge" seems to indicate that Mr. Bigbadguy wants a political solution to Allison Taylor -- but, if that's the case, then why not just let Zuma kill her?

We'll see the direction of this story line next week, but it still hasn't jelled for me. And the entire cliche of giving Jack a convenient attack just minutes after he'd taken a shot ... and then Tony stealing his medicine so that he couldn't recover ... seemed a little lazy in context.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-21-09 at 08:44 AM
If it had been written well lastnight I would have been saying "I hate Tony". Instead, because of sloppy writing, I was saying "I hate the writers".

Personally, I wish they'd left Tony dead (I'm sure Carlos Bernard is glad to receive a paycheck, but...). They've taken a strong, loved character and made him into a weakly written villian.

Tony will always be the guy from Season 4 that comes in with guns blazing when Jack calls for help.

And dammit, I'm really tired of Jeananne Garafalo's character, blah. Bring back Chloe.



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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Loree on 04-21-09 at 10:57 AM
I found myself wishing Tony was a clone or evil twin. The real Tony died already for me.

I don't like Janeanne either. Chloe needs to come back to react to Bad Tony.

And I was nitpicky lastnight. It bothered me that fake blonde lawyer could walk in and pick up the other woman's glasses and put them on. Then she walked out without so much as squinting. Did they just happen to also use the same prescription?


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-21-09 at 12:16 PM
I agree. And what about the fake fingerprint? When did they develop fingerprint-faking technology that works well enough to defeat the U.S. government's best scanning equipment? And where can I get it? I have a crime spree planned, and it would really come in handy.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by PsychoKitty on 04-21-09 at 09:26 PM
I love it Ayak! I was wondering that too - what carpy security that she could just waltz in there at 3 am with an obvious wig too. Makes you feel great in this post 911 age Only Jack can save us from the terrorists!!!

Man that was cold, Jack having a seizure and Tony walking away. . . I don't know how they are going to explain this plot either, but that was gripping television!!!!

Not that I have an opinion one way or another ;)
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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by true on 04-22-09 at 07:39 AM
When did they develop fingerprint-faking technology that works well enough to defeat the U.S. government's best scanning equipment?

About the same time they figured out how to dig a hole under the White House to enter through the file room.

I used to be able to suspend disbelief while watching 24 because the writing and acting made up for the inconsistant, unbelievable plot. Sadly, this is no longer the case since the writing and the acting (come on Keifer!) have dipped so low, that if it weren't for the occasional fire blast, I wouldn't recognize this show. (I miss the old CTU, Chloe, and that weird telephone chime)

I'll hang in til the end of the day, but unless they really turn it around, it will be my last.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by kingfish on 04-23-09 at 12:25 PM
Yeah, there are a lot of points that one just has to overlook. For example the distances (especially in earlier seasons) that Jack et.al. have to cover each hour.

Isn't Chloe still under arrest somewhere?

I'm waiting for Garafelo's emergence as an embedded villan. There have been little hints of that as a possibility, so it probably won't happen. But the symmetry of her being arrested as Chloe is released seems like something the producers might go for.

24 hours, for me, has been like a heroin habit.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-27-09 at 10:55 AM
I thought Chloe was released when Morris came in to get her and decoded Jack and Renee's scrambled message.

But we'll know tonight, when Mary Lynn (Chloe) returns after her real-life pregnancy. I don't know how much of the baby weight gain she still had at the time; we'll see how they show her on screen.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by kingfish on 04-28-09 at 07:29 AM
You were right. And she seems to be slimmed down from earlier appearances.

What Jack said to Garafalo was what I have been secretly wishing someone would say to her. "Just sit down and shut up" (wildly paraphrased). It isn't much of a reach acting wise for her to play the whiney self-important irrationally idealistic prick.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by flipxcyd on 04-28-09 at 02:19 PM
I was secretly hoping for Jack to waterboard her butt.

"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-30-09 at 08:01 AM
That's some torture I can support! I thought I would like her but she's one of the most irritating 24 characters in a while.


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by AyaK on 04-30-09 at 07:59 PM
I thought Janeane's role here would be more in keeping with her role in Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion, where she got to rip on people (I still remember when the cowboy guy admitted to her that he was a redneck a-- in high school, but he never did it with a sheep or his sister, and she shot back, "Why not? Couldn't catch 'em?").

Instead, Janis has been a waste of space.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by CTgirl on 04-30-09 at 08:21 PM
Dowdy and not funny. I thought her character would be more like Chloe, but all she does is purse her lips.

I had high hopes at the beginning of the season, but now I can hardly remember to watch it. Its on automatic record on the DVR so I'm still following it. I started losing interest around the time Bill died, and really got disillusioned when we met bad Tony.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-04-09 at 01:30 PM
Me too. I thought the Snark Wars between she and Chloe would be great. Anticipated many great one-line zingers coming from both sides. Opportunity lost.


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by kingfish on 05-12-09 at 03:20 PM
Petty jealousy does rear it's head. Cloe's "Don't look to me for validation" (again, paraphrased) was pretty sharp.

Either Garafalo has some talent for her portrayal of a petty #####, or she's really a petty #####. I think she's drawing on her own personality, to be honest.


"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 04-21-09 at 12:47 PM
I said the same thing about the glasses.

And I think we should both use the knowledge that Ayak is planning a crime spree and blackmail him.


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"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by bondt007 on 04-21-09 at 02:11 PM
We're "set" for Jack to be in a place in the last Ep to kill Tony now, fulfilling his words of warning. I have a problem with the writers doing that - has it has already been said (just above here) that Tony has a place of "hero". If they force Jack to kill Tony - I'll feel bad for both and the season will leave a carp-like-taste in my mouth to not bother with it again. I would think that would be the case with most fans.
So - could Tony be a double-double, and knew Larry was bad?

??

There’s just no way out of where they have written this…



"RE: 10:00-11:00pm"
Posted by DrKegel on 05-12-09 at 10:23 AM
>>Yep, Moss is dead and Tony is bad.
>
>...and the plot went down just
>as I feared: Tony was
>apparently a safeguard by "Mr.
>Bigbadguy" (Will Patton) against the
>patriotic but somewhat deranged Jonas
>Hodges at Starkwood. And
>the entire line in the
>preview from Tony about "one
>more shock pushing America over
>the edge" seems to indicate
>that Mr. Bigbadguy wants a
>political solution to Allison Taylor
>-- but, if that's the
>case, then why not just
>let Zuma kill her?
>

Well, I think this episode might have answered your question. If Allison Taylor were dead, she'd be replaced, but by who? Someone equally uncontrollable?

By getting a toehold on the skank Olivia (God, it's so much fun to hate that skank!!! Great character!!), they can now blackmail Olivia into doing things for them. Influencing their mother, passing them secrets, etc. I think it was crucial to force her to send the money. I think up until then it was circumstantial evidence, but now ... ???? In spite of what that guy said, don't think she should have done it. How do you erase a bank transfer from a computer? Isn't it in the bank records? Didn't the FBI do searches on what money had been transferred to whom in tracking down the person that might be aiding this rogue army in its agenda? Not very bright.

As for Tony, I have mixed feelings. I'm LOVING the story, but yeah, I loved Tony and don't like that he's really scummy now. I'll have to see how it goes.

And I knew that couple was bad news!!! What is it with Kim??? Didn't she learn anything from her dad???? Yeah, let me sit with the hired gun couple and even make their job easy by pointing out who my dad asked to watch me....???? Yikes!!!! She needs to be wearing a leash and collar at all times and stay tethered in the backyard because when she goes anywhere ... SHE GETS HERSELF INTO TROUBLE!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I love the writing. Love that Aaron is onto the skank and look forward to see how the heck Jack saves his clueless daughter and exact revenge on his old pal, Tony, who is lookin' mighty smug these days!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!