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"Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by byoffer on 04-30-08 at 09:31 AM
Now that they are down to the final 2 (and boo for eliminating Amanda, although she did sound very juvenile when having her serious discussion with Matt), I thought we should get some discussion going.

I heard on the radio this morning what I will call a mini-spoiler. The radio station goes down to Barbados every spring for their get-away. One of the hosts said that someone had come out of the women's washroom indicating that The Bachelor was filming there, and that one of the bachelorettes was crying unconcolably in the washroom. They figured she must be the loser. The woman described what the bachelorette was wearing, but the DJ didn't pass this info along.

So what does this mean? I guess it could have been Amanda from F3, but we saw her go straight from the rose ceremony to the limo. I assume from there she went to whatever hotel she was staying at, and would have gone to her room (not a public washroom).

If it was after the final rose, who would it be? From the previews I believe Shayne is wearing a yellow dress at the final. Was Chelsea in something white? If so, then I would lean towards Shayne being the crying girl, as her dress was more "memorable". Also, I am not sure that Chelsea is a crier. Would Shayne be a crier?

In listening to Noelle's limo speach after she was booted, she said she saw it coming, especially when Shayne's name was called for the first rose. Why would that be? Only if she felt that the others (Amanda and Chelsea) were stronger competition than Shayne.

I think Shayne has been given a stronger edit than Chelsea, but obviously we aren't seeing everything or there is no way that Matt would have even kept Chelsea to the Final 2.

My gut is moving from Shayne to Chelsea as the winner.

Other opinions??



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"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by mrc on 04-30-08 at 09:54 AM
I can't see Shayne crying in private. No cameras, no acting contracts, no tears.

A Nefarious Dice Creation

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Karchita on 04-30-08 at 11:13 AM
Good point.

I can see her crying big time if she doesn't get her way, though. She is one heck of a DAW and to be discarded in favor of a nobody? Shayne would not take that well at all.


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by mrc on 04-30-08 at 02:00 PM
Good point. I retract my snark.

Sigs by Bob about chalk dust. Pretty exciting stuff

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 04-30-08 at 02:20 PM
I dont think Shayne would take it well either. I could see Chelsea crying, being upset, but not unconsolably (sp?), and certainly not in a public washroom. That doesnt seem like a Chelsea thing to do given how she has been the entire show.
I could see Shayne sobbing in a public washroom though, and throwing a tantrum for that matter... LOL..

I havent read or seen anywhere that the final rose is given in Barbado's though. Has anyone else?

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 04-30-08 at 03:53 PM
I assumed the final rose ceremony is in the Los Angeles area. That's where their rented houses are. They were staying in a hotel in Barbados.

Why would they travel to England, then go back to Barbados?

I don't think the crying woman was one of the bachelorettes.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 04-30-08 at 04:21 PM
Exactly... I dont think the finale is in Barbado's either. But it does seem that they, the finale's, are typically on a location overlooking water though, like they are at the ocean.

I think it was maybe Amanda, maybe her limo stopped for her. Who knows.

Be sure to mark your calendars for the 19th, thats when The Bachelorette starts. And if you like The Mole, another fun show, that starts the 26th.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 04-30-08 at 01:59 PM
When Shayne talks about how she feels about Matt, and when she talks to Matt, she doesn't sound sincere. She's not a very good actress.

But, I read that in the screencaps, the woman in the yellow dress, Shayne, gets the proposal.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by byoffer on 05-01-08 at 01:52 PM
What are the screencaps? Do you have a link?


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-01-08 at 03:36 PM
I've never seen the screencaps and I don't have a link. I've read a few posts by people who claim they have seen the screencaps.

The woman in the yellow, or yellow-green dress, who is supposed to be Shayne, supposedly gets the proposal.

I noticed that predictions of who the winner is, are usually, but not always, true.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by yankeeg on 05-02-08 at 12:41 PM
They are going to keep us guessing until the end. I've watched all the bachelors and I hate it when they leave us with guess who the woman is by her hands and clothes. I like both Shayne and Chelsey but Shayne isn't really Matt's type but then Chelsea is great too. Which one do you think will be able to live in England and really share a life with Matt?
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-02-08 at 03:39 PM
I don't think either woman would move to London. I don't think Matt's in love with either woman. He has to go through with the show because he signed a contract. I think they have already broken up.
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by byoffer on 05-06-08 at 09:52 AM
They confirmed last night that the final rose will be done in Barbados.

After last night's show, DW is more convinced that Chelsea wins, and I wm now leaning towards Shayne.

Anyone get any clues?

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by mrc on 05-06-08 at 11:15 AM
The preview shows Matt down on one knee facing left and proposing. Prior to that, Chelsea is shown as standing in that direction, Shayne is shown as standing on the right.

I don't know if the editors of the Bachelor care that much about editing to prevent spoilers, but those previews seem to suggest that Matt proposes to Chelsea.


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-06-08 at 12:58 PM
They must have had the proposal in Barbados, to help keep people from finding out who got the proposa.

I read on another board that Matt preferred Amanda, but the producer, Fleiss, "guided" Matt toward Shayne.

If Shayne didn't get the proposal, I can't imagine her crying hysterically. She doesn't even seem interested in Matt.

And, about the direction the women are facing, I read that the film edidors could have reversed the direction of the film.

I also read that Shayne is a bi*ch, but that was carefully ediited out. Only about one percent of what they taped is shown... so they took out all the negative tape of Shayne and gave her a good edit.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 05-06-08 at 02:13 PM
Hey Obs, can you send the link to the "board that matt preferred Amanda, but the producer, Fleiss, "guided" Matt toward Shayne.."??? I'd love to read it.... Thx
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-06-08 at 03:48 PM
I posted on the board a couple of times about a year ago, then I deleted the board from my favorites folder. Many posters on the board taped the show and watched each episode over and over. Then they posted in detail about what they saw.

Last night I did a search, looking for spoilers, and ended up back at the board that I had deleted from my folder! I read a few posts on that board.

Since you asked for the link, I've done some searching for that board again, but I haven't found it.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by 2thDr on 05-06-08 at 11:12 PM
I totally noticed the same thing. Unless the camera man decided to go to the other side (which has never happened) I think it is Chelsea.
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by blindlady on 05-06-08 at 05:53 PM
After researching the screencaps of body parts, jewelry, photo flipping, etc.....Shayne's dress, jewelry, thumb, shoulder and the giveaway was the abcmedianet.com photos showing the photo counter making Shayne the Final Rose recepient! Hooray for Shayne and Matt and I hope the last a few days past the finale!! LOL
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by NAVAJO on 05-06-08 at 08:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-06-08 AT 09:04 PM (EST)

Sorry double post

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by NAVAJO on 05-06-08 at 09:00 PM
>fter researching the screencaps of body
>parts, jewelry, photo flipping, etc.....Shayne's
>dress, jewelry, thumb, shoulder and
>the giveaway was the abcmedianet.com
>photos showing the photo counter

We would have to completely disagree with Shayne being the one
engaged. If anyone really... took notice of her attire, etc.

It is a dead giveaway.

The nails.
Shayne's nails are have a French manicure polish and have a
bit of length to them.

It is Chelsa nails that are short, manicured and plain, no
color polish.

If you watch the end of the Bachelor when he is putting the ring on the finger of the hands of he bride to be, you will notice that the nails have no length, no color polish.

As Shayne is getting ready in her yellow dress, and reaches up to attach her one of her earrings, you can plainly see... her nails.

Therefore, in retrospect, the facts have it that Chelsa is the
bride to be.


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-06-08 at 09:43 PM
I recorded part of the preview. Chelsea's spray-on tan looks darker than Shayne's. In the little bit that I recorded, their nails look the same... short and colorless.

I recorded the segment at the end of the "after the rose" show. Shayne's fingers are fairly long, but Chelsea's are a little bit longer.

At the end of the preview, they show Matt holding a darkly tanned hand. The shade of the skin looks like Chelsea's dark tan... but the length of the fingers look like the length of Shayne's fingers.

They could have used less artificial light to make a hand appear darker than it really is. Or, they could have shown Chelsea's hand to help prevent people from figuring out that Shayne gets the proposal.

I still say that when Shayne talked about Matt, her tone of voice always sounded bored. Chelsea looked infatuated once when she looked at Matt.

I can't imagine Shayne crying uncontrollably after being rejected by Matt.

I read that they have already broken up.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by registerednurse on 05-07-08 at 00:11 AM
I really don't like either of them. The only reason he would pick Shayne is because she is young, pretty, and has a famous dad. After the date with Chelsea, I can't believe he even picked her on the last show. Anyways here is a good link to see spoiler pictures.
http://www.#####.com/forums/bachelor-spoilers-speculation/74431-part-3-spoilers-screencap-analysis-only-spoilers-bachelor-12-a-43.html
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 05-07-08 at 01:05 AM
Your link wont work with the front part, (after the http) pounded out.
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by byoffer on 05-07-08 at 09:12 AM
I'm not sure why that link got cencored, but I think this one will work...

http://tinyurl.com/6zongp

Scroll way down to see the pics.


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by registerednurse on 05-07-08 at 12:05 PM
Thanks, I'm not real good at linking things, but your link worked!
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-07-08 at 01:12 AM
When I clicked on the link, I got a page that said, "publisher unknown."
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-07-08 at 12:13 PM
observer - You're driving me crazy with your "I read" posts, with no links.

It's almost as bad as saying you have an uncle that's a cameraman for Survivor.

"Observer & His Links"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 05-07-08 at 12:36 PM
Ha ha haaaaaaa!! DITTO Ahtumbreez!! I wanted to say something yesterday but decided maybe it was just me that noticed Obs see's and reads anything and everything thus making him the know all, tell all, expert on the show - And yet Obs cant produce the links.

I could go on and insinuate that maybe Obs doesnt know how to cut and paste, or maybe he doesnt know what a link is. But alas, I dont think thats the case. I think its just one more nut in the big world of fruit out there!

IMHO of course : )

"WARNING"
Posted by Bebo on 05-07-08 at 03:33 PM
Bashing other posters is not permitted here. Please get back to talking about the show instead of putting down other posters.
"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Flowerpower on 05-12-08 at 08:23 AM
Well, I have been watching this season and I was also shocked at the Amanda boot. But, ce la vie. I think the only clear choice for him to make is Shayne. Shayne and Matt have real fun together. She is giggling the entire time they are together and I think she really is smitten with him and vice versa. Chelsea is a cold fish, unable to share her feelings or show them, especially with a severe lack of PDA, even cuddling. Come on, she has minimal feelings for him at best, but used herself physically to get him.

I hope Matt sees right through Chelsea. He really can only make one good choice, who knows which one it will be, however. This show is really getting bad. The couples are really doomed, as it seems that the producers really don't care about their choices and their longevity at all.


"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by crf9 on 05-12-08 at 03:06 PM
I made a little Ecard for how I feel about the winner:

http://www.mushygushy.com/view.aspx?gid=103BC65C2E644CA8B8779F73548535E0

I read on a different forum that Shayne was the fall back girl from the beginning and that they knew eachother already. Don't know if it's true but there is some evidence.. such as why she was so jealous at the casino. They had just met!

What do you guys think?

By the way, the Ecard I posted was from mushygushy.com. It's such an awesome site! You can add your pictures into the cards.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by observer on 05-13-08 at 02:37 AM
"The woman who wasn't chosen was seen crying uncontrollably..." I can't imagine Shayne crying uncontrollably, so I thought Matt would probably choose Shayne.

Matt has a mean tone of voice when he rejects women. He sounds unconcerned, uncaring.

Both of Shayne's parents were married several times... it's time for Shayne to start on her first marriage.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by TxMom2011 on 05-13-08 at 11:10 AM
I started out not liking Shayne... but by the end I was smitten by her too.

As far as a harsh tone when rejecting Chelsea... I didnt get that from him. What I heard was that he was in love with someone else and if Chelsea was so sure of the kinda guy Matt was then she should also understand that he wouldn't pick a "fake" girl.

I think Shayne is high maintenance for sure... but I think she is genuine and was true to herself the whole time.

I wish them well.

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by MKitty on 05-13-08 at 03:36 PM
I agree..i too was smitten by Shayne by the end. The choice of gifts for Matt from Shayne and Chelsea spoke volumes. And, I think Matt was taken aback by Chelsea berating him for picking a "fake girl" and appropriately put her in her place by correcting her..that was a low blow to say that to him...

I wish Shayne and Matt the best...


*Viced by Agman*

"RE: Speculation / mini-spoiler"
Posted by Loree on 05-13-08 at 07:10 PM
It is not often we see the rejected woman at the end insult the other woman. Usually they are just upset and wondering why not them. But Chelsea lashed out at Shayne as well as Matt. I think that made it easier for Matt. He knew then he had picked the right one. I hope they do make it work. Shayne did win over his family.