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"Deborah and Kurt"

Posted by Sahara on 01-24-06 at 08:41 PM
I thought it would be nice to make a thread for Deborah and Kurt. (Okay, I needed a place to put my comment, and Kurt doesn't seem to want to show up on the game thread, the coward.)

Words were spoken last night that Kurt has probably not heard in a LOOOONNNGGG time..."I want Kurt's hair. I want Kurt's hair!"


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"RE: Deborah and Kurt"
Posted by DooWahDitty on 01-24-06 at 09:22 PM
*gigglesnark*


boy, was that way over the top. Like Estee, I couldn't really focus on anything else.


"RE: Deborah and Kurt"
Posted by Angelfood on 01-25-06 at 10:41 AM
Thank you! I didn't want to do them all.

I know this is bad, but when they started skating and I saw the wig, I actually couldn't remember who her partner was. He looked so amazingly different. I mean, I love their theme, and I love it that they dressed up correctly. But couldn't they find a more... tactful... wig??

I was gonna suggest he spray his hair, then I remembered that he has so much less than from how I remember him, in the mid-90's.

But I like them overall.


"RE: Deborah and Kurt"
Posted by CattyChat on 01-25-06 at 11:07 AM
Kurt is one of my favorite skaters. I've always enjoyed watching him perform.

With that said, I think the judges were overly harsh & critical of Deborah & Kurt, more than any of the other skaters. It seems as though they expect Deborah to be as good as Jillian. You could tell she is trying really, really hard & for the judges to all cut her down the way they did was kinda surprising. I'm glad she "reminded" them that she NEVER skated before being on this show. IMO, she's doing pretty good for someone with no skating experience.


Kind Creation of ARNutz


"yeah, "
Posted by Angelfood on 01-25-06 at 11:53 AM
I forgot about that too. that's a HUGE difference.


For Sahara:

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"RE: yeah, "
Posted by DooWahDitty on 01-25-06 at 12:08 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-25-06 AT 12:09 PM (EST)

Amen, sistahs!


Wait! What am I doing?!


"RE: yeah, "
Posted by Angelfood on 01-25-06 at 12:19 PM
Uh, I think you're trying to be fair. Despite your new alter-ego.


"RE: Deborah and Kurt"
Posted by WaterDrop on 01-25-06 at 01:23 PM
I love Kurt, but I actually thought the judges were pretty easy on them last night (at least on the technical merit).

Their technical marks were:
John Nicks: 7.8
Dorothy Hamill: 8.2
Mark Lund: 8.0
Average: 8.0

Now, the 7.8 I can see because that's about the lowest mark they'll give anyone. The 8.2 is beyond any of my comprehension. Here's my reasoning:

Dave and Nancy's technical marks were:
John Nicks: 7.9
Dorothy Hamill: 8.0
Mark Lund: 7.8
Average: 7.9

Dave/Nancy and Kurt/Deborah's programs were about equal in difficulty, and actually, their techniques are about the same. Their technical marks are only .1 off.

Bruce and Tai's technical marks:
John Nicks: 7.9
Dorothy Hamill: 8.3
Mark Lund: 8.1
Average: 8.1

Bruce and Tai skated a far more difficult program, and Bruce's technique is better even though he looks awkward on the ice (I address this in the summary, which I promise will go up later today). There's still only .1 difference between the pairs.

Jenni and Todd's technical marks:
John Nicks: 7.9
Dorothy Hamill: 7.9
Mark Lund: 7.9
Average: 7.9

I'm assuming the 7.9s are because of Todd's fall because other than that, Jenni/Todd's program was a little more difficult. His technique is bad, but so is Deborah's. Regardless, they're within .1 of each other.

I think that the judges were actually hardest on Jillian/John. Here are their technical scores:
Kristy and Lloyd's technical marks:
John Nicks: 8.5
Dorothy Hamill: 8.4
Mark Lund: 8.3
Average: 8.4

Jillian and John's technical marks:
John Nicks: 8.4
Dorothy Hamill: 8.6
Mark Lund: 8.2
Average: 8.4

I agree with Kristy/Lloyd's marks, but Jillian/John had harder footwork and a harder spin. Neither of them have great technique, so I can't fully understand Mark Lund's mark for Jillian/John since he gave Kristy/Lloyd .1 higher. (And this is coming from someone who doesn't really like watching Jillian skate because she looks so nice at first glance, but if you look closer you can see all her technique issues.)

It's hard for me to get used to having a minimum score (7.8) that's so close to the maximum score (8.6) with such a wide range of difficulty, which is why I harp on the actual technique more than the difficulty of the element. If I had to rate the pairs on difficult of programs, I'd put them (easiest to hardest):

Kurt/Deborah
Dave/Nancy
Jenni/Todd (it was only this hard because of the lifts)
Bruce/Tai (the waltz jumps and footwork makes it harder)
Kristy/Lloyd
Jillian/John

In order of actual technique alone (worst to best):
Jenni/Todd
Kurt/Deborah
Dave/Nancy
Bruce/Tai - Kristy/Lloyd - Jillian/John (Bruce's posture is worse than the girls, but his feet are really technically quite good. Kristy's on and off...sometimes she hits good positions, sometimes she doesn't. Jillian needs to have a meter stick taped to her shoulder blades so she freaking learns to check. Her free leg has improved, which is the only reason I put her here.)

Sorry, that got a little off the topic of Deborah and Kurt, but I wanted to justify my feelings about the judging.


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I'll put the summary up as soon as I get home from the lab.


"RE: Deborah and Kurt"
Posted by Shazbot on 01-25-06 at 08:46 PM
Words were spoken last night that
>Kurt has probably not heard
>in a LOOOONNNGGG time..."I want
>Kurt's hair. I want
>Kurt's hair!"


And did you hear Scott Hamilton remenising about "bad hair" in the 70s... I'm guessing he'd take any hair today!