I really wanted to like these two.

I liked them in their pre-game video; they were regular, normal people. I even liked them well enough after the first leg, whining about Sarah notwithstanding.

However. I can admit when I've made a mistake. For all the reasons you mentioned, I just can't root for them anymore. Eh. They shouldn't last too much longer.

To be fair,

I think most of the problem is Karlyn. Lyn seems pretty nice to me, but she doesn't speak up when Karlyn is being vile. Karlyn is the more dominant and vocal personality, so that's why they come across so badly.

Say now, honeychile, you gots to work the system! Don't go blamin' the single moms for the system they gots to work! Word!

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Estee and Dabo seem racist to me. Estee's comments about their children ripping of innocent people and recieving handouts tax free seems to be implying that because they are black they and their children are criminals and that they don't mind recieving welfare and do not want to work.

Dabo trying to speak in what I guess he believes is a black dialect is also racist and offensive.

I agree that they are mean and nasty. I also couldn't believe that they recieved help but didn't give any back. That's bad gamesmanship regardless of who is doing it.

But none of that equates to not working hard in your real life, taking "tax-free" handouts or raising your children to be criminal.

If you don't like the way they play the game fine. But your racist world views are totally irrelevant. I really used to enjoy your posts Estee but this is over and way above the line and it's clear to me that you are a racist in the truest sense of the word.

LiveUR, one quick question:

What color is my skin?

Go ahead. Take your time about answering. I'll wait.

I was talking about con artists: everything exists for me to use, I'll take what I want from other people without worrying about their consequences, and if they were big enough suckers to fall for it, then they deserved it. I can see the seeds of that in Lyn & Karlyn's actions, and could see them passing on that lesson to their daughters.

If you choose to believe I was making a racist statement, than that was your choice to make and I'll never be able to convince you otherwise. I won't even waste the effort. As I've said before in other forums, those looking for offense will always find it -- whether it's there or not.

Should you look at my post using the viewpoint I just stated and realize where I was coming from, fine. Good. Crisis averted. But I'm far too much of a realist to believe it can happen that way.

If not, we have nothing left to say to each other.

So it goes.

The color of you skin is irrelevant. I never come here looking to be offended. I enjoy reading the comments of others who enjoy reality tv as much as myself.

But you must be living under a rock if you don't see how your comments wouldn't be percieved in a highly offensive way. If con artist is what you meant then con artist is what you should have said instead referencing tax free handouts and raising your kids to be criminals.

I don't see where taking help but not giving any is considered conning. The kind of behavior Lyn and Karlyn display is selfishness. Con artist tend to manipulate others for their own gain. They haven't manipulated they just haven't given any help to their competition.

Also, they weren't the only team that didn't stop to help Tyler and James. They also weren't the only team that complained about the plane situation. Once the cheerleaders got their car started they didn't stop to help Lyn and Karlyn get their car started. I don't see you accusing anyone else of taking tax free help and raising criminals.

But your right you can't change me and I can't change you. It is what it is.

When I think 'tax-free' in connection with reality contestants, I think Richard. I never said welfare. (For that matter, is welfare income taxable? I honestly don't know. I've never thought about it before now. Possibly I'll never think about it again.) I said single moms because that's the card L&K have been playing in some of their confessionals: we're single moms setting an example for our kids. And they came to mind before the others who didn't stop because they've received help -- the water, the native guide -- without giving any, while some of the other teams have been on their own.

I don't live under a rock. I have always understood that anything I say can and will be found offensive in the wrong light. Somehow, it hasn't kept me from talking.

You're offended. I believe it's for insufficient -- or no -- reason. We're at an impasse. You've decided I'm a racist. I'll have to live with that, because there is exactly nothing I can do about it.

But this thread wasn't meant for discussing that. As such, I'll wait a while to see if we get back on an L&K bashing track -- and if not, I'll ask for it to be locked.

And for what it's worth, I do divide the people of the world into two cateorgies. Those who listen, and those who don't...

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I listened and I heard you loud and clear. To me it sounded like you were making comments based on racial stereotypes. You have intelligently explained that that was not your intent. I can respect that.

End of discussion.

... please make sure that you press the alert button on things that you find offensive. Please do not attempt to address the issue directly with the poster.

Thank you.

Arrrrrrr, boot et gets tryin' alwus parlayin' piratty!

ARRRRRRR!!!!

Sorry you were offended, there was no racist intent in what I posted.

Nice apology.
Pope Benidict would be proud!

Tribephylanthropy!
Intent or not, any newbie posting that "dialog" would have been jumped on and rightfully so. Being here for a long time doesn't justify it. As they say IMO.

Well, okay, if you say so. I don't recall trying to "justify" anything, actually. It wasn't racist.

Still, it was black dialect, however poorly done, and offense was taken where none was intended; so yes, you're correct, it was nice of me to apologize. I'm really a swell guy that way.

SMILES ARE FREE

Well okay, I guess you're a bit defensive. Rightly so.
So let's take a look at what I said and didn't say.

I never said that you were trying to "justify" anything.
I said that being here a long time (13,000+ posts) did not "justify" being offensive.

I am more than willing to admit that what I view as racially offensive and what other people on these boards view as offensive are not the same. That is why I usually do not get involved in these discussions.
However, I did not call you a racist, nor did I call your post racist.

I did point out that making the offence someone elses problem, is really not an apology.

Tribephylanthropy!
Space For Rent.

>I did not call you a racist, nor did I call your post racist.

But then what is the "it" in this sentence:

>Being here for a long time doesn't justify it.

I interpreted "it" being Dabs' behaviour, actions, etc., and because of the direction of the thresd, I could see Dabs thinking that you're saying "it" is racism. It's more logical than, say, calling someone racist because they insulted some characteristics of a person who just happens to be black, like what happened here with Estee.

Rolly made this.
Of course, it all depends on what your definition of the word "it" is.