Julie did mention fast forward so we'll have the vote, play for HOH, nominations, play for veto, veto ceremony and another vote all in one hour.

*long whistle*

That'll get the hamster wheels spinning!

What michel said is how they'll most likely do it. The second HoH may start on the live show, but will probably finish on the feeds or on BB After Dark.

Yeah, I checked into the spoiler sites and ED's twitter Q&A's and the consensus is what you said. Also the HG seem to be aware of the double eviction, but I'm not clear on how they found that out as the Chenbot did not announce it to them on Thursday night.

They've been running the numbers. They know when the show is slated to end...mid September and if Brendan had not returned they didn't need a DE. But return he did, so they know it is coming. What they are wondering is ...does someone have a special power?

(I wonder if Jeff gets Pandora's box this week.)

From what I've been reading in the feed reports, the HG have been expecting a double elim at some point, and some of them were guessing that it was this week. Which makes sense, since most BB seasons have had "fast forward" weeks and these HG know their BB history pretty well.

Seems like Jeff should nom Dani. That way she can't save both herself and an ally. She could only play for herself. Plus if Dani, Porch and Kalia all play, plus Jeff, less chance for Shelly and Jordan to get a slot.

Absolutely. Porsche and Kalia aren't dangerous. Dani is.

Does anyone know the terms of it? Is it only for this week, or would it be good for the next one?

If he puts Dani up, the Veto Ticket is moot. Dani plays, along with 5 other people. There's the possibility that Kalia & Porsche also both play, so then there are only 6 playing for the Veto, and it's 50/50. If he doesn't put Dani up, she plays anyway, but he would have at worst 4 playing on his side.

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If it's the same as Ragan's pointless prize, it means she has to play in the next Veto competition: no picking and choosing her spot. I think you're right about the nomination closing out any and all benefit from it: it wouldn't hold over until next week -- where hurry-up would give it a tiny touch of value in letting her play to avoid a backdoor.

Typical BB reward: excuse to stuff one envelope.

>Does anyone know the terms of
>it? Is it only
>for this week, or would
>it be good for the
>next one?
>
>If he puts Dani up, the
>Veto Ticket is moot.
>Dani plays, along with 5
>other people. There's the
>possibility that Kalia & Porsche
>also both play, so then
>there are only 6 playing
>for the Veto, and it's
>50/50. If he doesn't
>put Dani up, she plays
>anyway, but he would have
>at worst 4 playing on
>his side.
>
>
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You guys are way overcomplicating this. Any way you look at it one of these three go home: Kalia, Porsche or Dani.

^^ This.

Dani makes a play for Adam and Rach this week to shore up her alliance. Rach is alone and Adam has been part of the late night game crew. Dani stepped up her social game this last week...starting to work the jury votes.

I can't see Dani making a play for Rachel, because it would mess up her attempts to recruit Adam and Shelly.

Jeff won't take Dani on this week, though. I have little doubt that he appreciates how dangerous she is, but Dani didn't put Jeff up and I don't think Jeff feels confident enough in his alliance (especially Shelly) to take her on right now. He'll settle for booting one of Kalia or Porsche (my money is on Kalia, depending on POV) and then hope for good luck in next week's FF eviction.

As of right now, Jeff has Jordan and three unreliable allies in Adam, Shelly and Rachel -- but Rachel and Shelly hate each other, and one will have to go sson. Dani has two totally loyal allies in Kalia and Porsche.

I'm betting Porsche being ousted. Last night was her chance to step up. She didn't and besides making cakes, etc., there isn't much she has done on BB but sleep and hide the booze from the others.

Quick scene: Last night just before they went to sleep, Dani/Kalia/Porsche lay in the candy room, each in a double bed, talking about how much booze they would or would not have in the jury house. Somehow they think they get just one bottle of wine for the whole week. Kalia wants to get drunk for the rest of the summer if she is in jury. Porsche was very worried about the lack of alcohol in the jury house. Talking about BB budget cutting, etc.

Jeff would have to believe Dani wouldn't nominate him in order to keep her off the block. With Rachel still present, he does have the option of keeping Dani because she'd target the bimbo first.

But, the way I see it, Jeff must be nervous that he won't be playing in the next HOH competition. Jordan, Shelley and Rachel would make good HOH in his mind but Dani has proven to be the best at challenges. Take her out and he only has to worry about Kalia and Porsche winning HOH.

In addition, if he is thinking of jury votes, Brendon would consider him weak if he were to go after the two floaters. Then again, Jeff is pretty much assured of Brendon's vote if he is in the F2 and Rachel isn't.

...which is why Jeff's dream scenario, in his discussions with Jordan, is that one of the original nominees wins POV, and he puts up Dani as the replacement nominee. He's told Dani that she's safe, and he's definitely not going to nominate her. But he's not above trying to backdoor her if the opportunity presents itself.

If it doesn't happen, as you say, he expects that Rachel will act as his shield for one eviction: Dani will target Rachel instead of him.

He's also aware of how squirrelly Rachel is, but (as Jeff put it) she has no one else to side with but us.

Did he tell Dani that she was safe after winning HOH or are you talking about their conversation during Thursday's show?

I still think it would be dumb to nominate the 2 floaters because Dani could win veto and remove one, say Kalia. You are then left with Jeff having to nominate one of Adam, Shelley or Rachel. There are 5 voters and Dani + Kalia control two votes, needing only to convince one to keep Porsche. Dani's alliance could enter the Fast Forward intact. And even if Porsche leaves, the replacement nominee is now against Jeff.

The net result is that Dani retains two loyal followers, while Jordeff are stuck with 2 of Shelley, Adam and Rachel. As you said, a very shaky alliance.

Cut Dani and the other side doesn't have any glu to stick together. Jeff solidifies his alliance while he weakens the opponents.

So? THat's what we do.

One "should" go home.

Porsche and Kalia are on the block. Dani plays and wins. She pulls Kalia off. Jeff has to put up Adam, Shelly or Rachel. He's not going to put up Jordan.

Jeff & Jordan know Shelly's been lying to the house, but they're pretty sure she's with them. Rachel is a true wild card. I can see Dani flipping Rachel or Shelly if one of other of those two goes up.

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As part of Jeff's lengthy DR session last night, he got to pick three "Have Nots" effective today. Guess who?

Dani, Porsche, Kalia.

According to JeJo, Dani was "pissed" to find out, especially because there wasn't any kind of competition -- it was just Jeff's choice. Of the three HNs, the only one who seems to be taking it relatively OK is Porsche.

Have any of the three of them even been HNs yet?

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I'll check another board but from memory neither Porsche nor Dani have been have nots at all this year (Golden key protected them well into the game) and Kalia was much earlier this year.

Wonder what the snackers will snack on this week?

What did America choose? Beets? Jalepenos? LOL!

LAST EDITED ON 08-20-11 AT 03:12 AM (EST)

Dani has every right to be pissed. Her birthday is this week, and putting her on slop for her birthday was too rude for words. Yeah, I'm sure Jeff didn't want to pi$$ off his alliance, but $hitting on somebody on their birthday is something you just don't do. Jeff should be hung for doing that, and Grodner should be hung for allowing it.

Wow! I totally disagree. Big deal that it is her bday! She saved wine from her HOH basket and BB will probably allow her a cake.

Not all the hamsters have bdays in the house so why should it be special for her?

She cackled when others were on slop; now it is her turn to feel the misery of slop.

(Plus, this may be the last week of have nots, if not now, then Dani would not be on at all this season of BB.)

Dani got a cake yesterday, and BB is going to allow some type of celebration on Sunday.

Agree.

Dani knew the risks when she agreed to do the show.

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I miss Cassi already!

Postings at Jokers say Porsche and Kalia - based on Jordan's comment that 7 people will play for Veto.

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No surprise there. There probably won't be any surprises until POV is decided, and maybe not even then.

After the noms:

Once Jeff settled in to his HoH room he pulled together Jordan, Rachel, and Shelly for a quick “we’re all together” talk.

... raises the obvious concern that Daniele wins the Veto since she’ll definitely play (remember her Veto ticket), could win the Veto, and then take off Kalia which would force Jeff to nominate one of his own.

Depending on PoV winner, it looks like the worst case scenario is Jeff putting Adam up as the replacement pawn who's not really "one of his own". Seems like Adam is never involved in any of the pivotal powwows. Best case scenario is the back-door on Dani.

LAST EDITED ON 08-20-11 AT 01:34 PM (EST)

There's an interesting side to the mathematical odds when deciding nominations and doing PoV back doors.

If Jeff really wants to get rid of Dani, is the best strategy to nominate her first or wait to nominate her after the PoV?

ED in his twitters thinks the first strategy of nominating Dani first before the PoV was the best strategy.

This Buddy TV guy demonstrates why the math supports the second strategy of waiting to nominate Dani after the PoV. There are some assumptions built in that, but it looks sound.

ED is right. Absolutely. Why? Because he factors in the game and its players. Crunching numbers isn't how players operate so, even if that guy's numbers are right, the slight statistical advantage of waiting for the backdoor is lost when you consider how players think and react.

By not nominating Dani, Jeff just put a doubt in Rachel and Shelley's mind: Does he have a deal with Danielle? Also, Jeff presented himself as an honest player but now he showed his sneaky side. Adam will doubt Jeff's words much more now.

But, besides that, the guy makes huge assumptions and forgets some factors:
-The biggest assumption is that Adam would use the veto if he wins it. Danielle could make him envision F3 with her and whoever remains. Hell, even Porsche and Kalia could be convinced they don't need the veto because the other one is going.

- Next, the guy makes the additional assumption that all players have equal chances of winning the veto. In any consideration, Dani has to have better odds than Kalia, Adam, Jordan, Shelley and Porsche.

- But the biggest mistake that guy makes is that he completely neglects the downfall of Dani not being nominated but still winning the veto and saving one of her allies. If you nominate her, she can only save herself.

LAST EDITED ON 08-20-11 AT 02:43 PM (EST)

Good analysis and you raised some points that I had thought about when I posed the question, especially the 'human' side to the game in the way players react.

While the math is sound based on certain assumptions, these assumptions, as you clearly showed, are anything but certain. A simple example is whether anyone would 'throw' the PoV (purely human factor) and also who has the best chances of winning it (this could statistically be based on past performances, but there's a too small sample to be reliable).

Let's take the most extreme example and say Dani is so good she has a 100% chance of winning PoV (which obviates any 'throws' too). Let's say players A & B are her allies and player C is a floater.

If initially nominated with player A, she removes herself and then player B gets the replacement nom. She is safe, but will lose one of her allies A & B. Good for HoH, bad for Dani. Dani loses two supporting votes.

If players A & B originally nommed, then she can get her choice of which A or B is saved, and then the HoH has to resort to nomming Player C. Not good for HoH, good for Dani. Dani only loses one supporting vote and has the supporting vote of A or B who she saved.

By this logic, then, it is clear that HoH should have initially nominated Dani, with the assumption that Dani has a very high percentage chance of winning PoV.

The flip side to that is that Jeff thinks Dani has a high chance of winning the next HoH. His justification for nominating Kalia was that she nominated him. He'll be able to say that he didn't nominate Dani in arguing why she shouldn't nominate him.

Dani understands, BTW, that if she doesn't win veto, she might go on the block. She told Kalia that she thinks only one person would vote to save her if she was nominated, so she'd be gone.

Anyway, the feeds have been blacked out for POV for the last 90 minutes, so we'll know shortly how well Jeff's strategy worked.

Rachel is hosting and thus not playing. JeJo were sorry about that.

Jeff tells Jordan that if he wins veto, he'll take off Porsche and replace her with Dani. Jordan tells him (incorrectly) that he doesn't have to get rid of Dani now. He insists that he does.

Jeff.

Bye-bye Dani.

LAST EDITED ON 08-20-11 AT 07:21 PM (EST)

Apparently the POV competition was to build a mate for the Zingbot. Jordan was dead last and apparently didn't get one piece assembled. During the competition, the Zingbot said to her: "Do you know why Jeff hasn't asked you to marry him? He knows you're not good with questions."

Jeff told Adam and Shelly that the first couple to be eliminated will be D!ck and Dani. They agreed that, if Kalia wins HoH, she'd probably nominate Jeff and Rachel. Adam told Jeff that they have the votes to save him in that scenario, but Adam then told Shelly that this is the week they have to win something.

Jordan has been telling Rachel to behave after the veto ceremony. Whether she will is an open question.

Dani, perceptive as usual, told Porsche that the other side is "plotting my demise." Both sides seem to agree that there will be fireworks after the veto ceremony.

It's a no-brainer to get rid of Dani. Even Jeff can't mess that up, right?

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Unfortunately for Dani, it is a no-brainer to get rid of her! It doesn't help her cause any that there are no Nata-LIEs or Kevins to mislead Jeff.

Unfortunately, Jeff's specialty is operating sans brain. And given Grodner's open interview-endorsement of Danielle as her favorite to win, I'm expecting some extra-blatant DR scripting this week.

Honestly, I'm shocked the Veto competition wasn't 'Who can be the most insulting in confessional'.

Jeff only screwed up last time because he was so leery about making a deal with a woman Ph.D. While it mattered, he couldn't believe she was being straight with him.

Grodner would have the same difficulty manipulating Jeff that Michele did in convincing him of the truth. And that's why Jeff wants to keep Porsche -- she's not challenging.

His current plan, according to his discussions with Adam, is to tell Porsche that he'll take her off the block if she promises not to come after him next time. Adam told him that he'll have the votes to get Dani, because he'll vote with Jordan and Rachel to evict her, which means that Shelly's vote won't matter. (Of course, Jeff already discussed this plan with Shelly, but he didn't tell Adam that.)

There's no question that JeJo are targeting Kalia after Dani. But I wouldn't be surprised if they then boot Adam before Shelly or Porsche, provided they're still getting to call the shots. Jeff is convinced that he has Rachel's vote solidly in his bloc, and Jordan is worried that Adam will emerge as a challenge threat once D&K are gone.

In other words, they are giving the game to Porsche.

I'm envisioning Dani and Brendon in the jury house alone together.

The fast forward will quickly change the dynamic, but if Dani doesn't know about it, there'll be an hour or so when she thinks it's going to be a week with the zombie.

So where is Rachel on JeJo's hit list now?

Doesn't anyone see that it's dumb for the HOH to veto his own nominations?

I think it's only dumb if HOH makes another enemy.

If by not nominating someone the first time he can honor a deal, but bets are off in case of the POV coming into play, that seems to be the way they're thinking.

In this case, Jeff doesn't make a new enemy as Dani and he were already against each other, and he has a chance to bargain with Porsche and get points with her.

What would be stupid for Jeff to do would be to leave Dani in the house to win the next HOH. Jeff isn't that bright, but he should get that.

There's nothing dumb about backdooring Dani. As Jeff said, what if this is our only chance to get rid of her? She's wanted Jeff out since week 2.

But Estee is right: production is riding Jeff hard to try to keep Dani in the game. Jeff told Jordan that production told him he should talk to Dani (followed immediately by the feed going off), that he made the same move last time and then a floater took him out (followed immediately by the feed going off), etc. -- but Jeff said he's taking her out no matter what production says (followed immediately by the feed going off). . . .

Gee, think they didn't want us to know how hard they'd been pushing Jeff to save Dani?

Jeff tells Jordan that he hasn't told Shelly yet that this is a definite plan to take Dani out. He wants to be sure that she doesn't vote to save Dani (even though her vote won't matter, as long as he has Adam's).

BTW, Jeff recognizes that Dani knows the game better than JeJo do.

OFG, he's already made that extra enemy by nominating Porsche. Any deal he makes with her now is worthless. He should have made the deal with her as soon as he became HOH and nominated Dani right away.

And Ayak, backdooring Dani wasn't his only chance to get rid of her. He simply should have "frontdoored" her. There was absolutely no need to do it this way, especially with Dani having the veto card. Jeff just lost any claim to honesty and that's important in this game.

As far as production pushing for Dani's safety, that's nothing new. We saw it with Eric and with Dick and we saw it on Survivor. Reality works so much better when the players follow directions.

Dani has no leg to stand on here. She was pushing to backdoor Jeff in Week 2. It didn't work. Too bad for her.

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Dani is a renom and not a backdoor. She got to play in the POV. Brendan's nom was a backdoor.

I am glad Jeff is (so far) sticking to his guns.

So, does the DR/production go to plan "B" with a Pandora's box or an activation of the Fortune Teller? With some special power that, *ooo---ahh*, Dani just happens to find?

I read on another board that they used the Fortune Teller in the UK... and when it spoke, giving messages to various houseguests, it spoke in the voices of the players, using words/lines the other houseguests had spoken in the DR.

Now that's manipulation.

Thanks AyaK and all of you for reporting what is going on. I'm not following the feeds reports or any other sites. My interest in this season is pretty marginal, but I've watched every season from BB2 on, so I can't quite let it go.

I can see why production would want to keep Dani, given the caliber of player that she will leave behind, but TS, Jeff has to play to win.

Not since Daniele was already after him anyway. Porsche was more-or-less already on the other side and there's a chance that Jeff can recruit her over to his side (unlikely but possible). Besides, Porsche is less of a threat than Daniele.

>Not since Daniele was already after
>him anyway.

That's why you nominate her right away.

Porsche was
>more-or-less already on the other
>side and there's a chance
>that Jeff can recruit her
>over to his side (unlikely
>but possible).

The chances of that decreased by nominating her for nothing.

I agree that he should have nom'd Dani at the get-go if he was going to do it, as it made no difference if it was his intent. The only reason I can see not to is that if she won the veto, he would be able to say that he didn't go after her and kept whatever kind of deal he made, but if she didn't win, he could nom her.

Whereas if he nommed her and she won veto, that left Jeff with nothing but a failed attempt. I imagine that was Dani's thinking with Brendon. He could have lucked out and played veto and won, and then she could have said she was honoring their deal.

Obviously none of these guys feel bound by their word or promises, so it's almost a joke to see them talking deals about future performance in return for protection in the week at hand.

Re Porsche -- I did catch a little of Showtime Thursday, tuning in to see who won HOH, and Porsche and Kalia seemed 100% they were going to be on the block, as soon as Jeff won HOH. They seemed to know it would not be Dani up there. Porsche was saying she didn't want to leave without winning a single competition.

It couldn't have helped her that she (and Rachel) came in second.
I think that with Dani gone, Porsche will do whatever she can to float back to the other side. Kalia and Porsche are not a force to be reckoned with. They are more the annoying mess on the floor that gets swept out when you clean up after the showdown with the real player (Dani) is over.

As you said, I don't believe it would have made the slightest difference for Dani if she had won the veto. She would have to be incredibly stupid to believe that deal.

No, Jeff had one thing and one thing only to save him if Dani had won veto and that was Rachel's presence. If Dani had won veto and the subsequent HOH, Jeff and Rachel would have been nominated. Therefore, Jeff needed votes to save himself.

Making a deal with Porsche, especially if she was convinced he'd nominate her, would have secured a vote against Rachel. And what if Dani had won the veto and saved one of her allies? Jeff would have been forced to nominate Adam thus endangering a second vote in a potential showdown against Rachel.

I believe that Jeff would have been voted out if he had faced Rachel in a vote under these circumstances while he would have easily won that vote if he had nominated Danielle first.

michel, you may be right, but I have a lower opinion of Porsche than you do.

I don't think Porsche will stick together with Kalia once Dani's gone. I think Porsche will float, like the floater she is at heart, over to Jeff's side. I noticed that Porsche did agree that she'd like to not have to pack this week, and so she wouldn't target JeJo if she they take her off and she then won HoH (she says she'd nominate Rachel and Adam or maybe Shelly. Not optimum, but best they can hope for.)

JeJo's strategy this week is to keep Jeff close to Porsche. They say that they noticed that Kalia was always the one chasing Dani for friendship, but Dani opted for Porsche. They figure that, as long as they can keep Kalia from winning HOH, they can get rid of Kalia easily next, even though Adam and Shelly would like to take out Rachel next. And they think that, in that circumstance, they could get Porsche to their side, as a potential counter to the Adam-Shelly alliance (which makes them nervous, but they can't do anything about it).

Basically, here's how they see the game, and for once, I think they see it clearly:

Rachel: on their side, period. No real game.
Dani and Kalia: against them, period. Kalia has no game but might put them both up. Dani has game but will be gone.
Porsche: against them for now, but influenceable. May be a future ally.
Shelly: with them, but DANGEROUS. Will be looking to double-cross them if they give her a chance.
Adam: with them, but a floater at heart. Potentially influenceable. Potentially a challenge threat, especially as numbers shrink. Will follow Shelly to an unpredictable extent.

Jeff's choice of next three to go: Dani, Kalia, probably Shelly.
Jordan's choice: Dani, Kalia, Adam.
Both Rachel and Jordan seem to think that they can "turn" Porsche. We'll see.

Zingbot: Porsche is a 23-year-old car with dual front airbags.

But see, our opinion of Porsche doesn't matter. We don't know what she will do so we can't base strategy on best-case scenario. It's better not to assume someone you put on the block will forgive and forget. Anyway, if they think Porsche is influenceable then treat her right.

Another thing they should consider is Shelley's position. With Jeff and Jordan reuniting the 4, Shelley should see the writing on the wall. A Final 3 of Jeff, Jordan and Rachel is the ideal situation for the couple, money in the bank for one of them no matter the F2 combination. Therefore, Shelley has to go goat-hunting and final 4 will be too late because she'd be in a position to win out in order to have a shot at facing the jury.

With Danielle on the block against Kalia, Shelley could look at things and figure that she needs Danielle to eliminate Rachel. With Porsche and Adam, Shelley could boot the useless Kalia and save Danielle.

That, right there, is another reason why Jeff needed to secure Porsche's vote now, not next week.

LAST EDITED ON 08-22-11 AT 00:32 AM (EST)

But, see, when looking at Dani's boot, our opinion of Porsche after this week doesn't matter. What matters is what we know about her to date. The idea that Jeff could have secured her vote this week by not nominating her is little more than a pipe dream. BB doesn't give the hamsters enough hallucinogens to induce those kinds of dreams.

As far as Shelly goes, Jeff is well aware of the dangers that she presents. That's why he and Jordan worked Adam so hard to secure Adam's vote to boot Dani before they presented it to Shelly as a finished plan. This way, if they lose Shelly's vote, they still get rid of Dani -- and they know not to count on Shelly.

In your scenario, if JeJo lose both Adam and Shelly, they're dead, and I don't care what other scenario comes up. They'd always be dead if they lost both Adam and Shelly while Dani was still in the game. That's why Jeff was so focused on getting Dani out. I continue to think that Jeff's way was the better way to do it, since a veto-wielding Dani would have been the next HOH.

From Shelly's perspective, I think it makes more sense to boot Dani and then try to make a deal with the new HOH (which might even be yourself) to go after JJR. Saving Dani would be an incredibly short-sighted move on her part, because she can't be better than 3rd in that alliance behind Dani and Porsche, and she has to expect to be 3rd in JeJo's alliance (since everyone but Rachel knows she's the next target for anyone winning HOH except JeJo).

LAST EDITED ON 08-22-11 AT 08:19 AM (EST)

A pipe dream? All Jeff needed from Porsche is that she vote against Rachel instead of him. That, to me was a very realistic plan. Unfortunately, nominating her made that less likely.

The show hasn't shown Jeff being onto Shelley and approaching Adam so I can't comment on that except to say Shelley and Dani (and the DR!) could also work on the floater.

There's nothing that Jeff did that prevented Dani from wielding that veto because she had a veto card. You plan on backdooring people to prevent them from even playing veto, leaving them totally defenseless like Brendon was. Not nominating Dani did nothing for Jeff but hurt him.

For Shelley, being 3rd in as loose an alliance as Porsche-Dani instead of 4th (not 3rd, no way) with JeJo-Rachel, I don't think she should hesitate one second. Especially since Dani and she could consider each other their perfect goat, having made many more enemies than Porsche who just bored everyone.

It's obvious we're not going to agree on this. I think the idea that Porsche would ever side with Jeff over Dani while Dani's still in the game is ludicrous; you seem to believe it was not only possible but likely had Jeff played the veto differently. I'm afraid we'll have to leave it at that.

Not side with Jeff over Dani, side with him over Rachel. If Dani had won veto and HOH she would have nominated Rachel and Jeff with very little preference between the two. Posche would then be one of the key votes because Jeff would have Jordan and Shelley while Adam and Posche could be swayed. That's the move that Jeff missed.

Dani's the replacement. Kalia has taken Rachel's place flooding the house with tears.

I still don't trust Adam or Shelly, but we'll see Thursday night.

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LAST EDITED ON 08-22-11 AT 02:59 PM (EST)

In case anyone wasn't clear on Kalia's flood of tears, it means she's still on the block. Meanwhile, the Porsche cruises through the wreckage for a few more days, possbily hitting the wall at the Double S Eviction Turn.

With only 5 votes to be casted, Dani's milquetoast.

Should be. We can count on Jordan & Rachel. I just feel like Shelly & Adam are still cozying up to Dani, and I hate it. I won't believe it until the votes are cast Thursday night.

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Working the jury vote, perhaps?

Found this interesting--from jokers:

"Proof that BB has helped Dani...
08/22/11 12:03

This is like the 10th time she's mentioned her friends in production...shame on BB for this manipulation...and I'm glad it hasn't worked unless they press Shelly and Adam hard to change their vote...this is sickening.

Dani just said that she told Kalia: "if I go home, both Jeff and Natlie have to quit and production don't (sic) want that." (ed: This was after Shelly asked Dani if her "friends" were in the DR today, so apparently Jeff and Natalie are on the staff.)"

So not Jeff as in Jeff in the house, but Jeff on the staff. Why would they have to quit if Dani's evicted? Are they her handlers? Would they have to go to the jury house with her?

I just saw that on Jokers and couldn't figure it out. I don't trust Shelly & Adam. If they vote to evict Kalia, they can keep Dani and join up with Porsche and Dani and be up 4-3 on J/J/R.

The only lock would have been if Jeff had Rachel & Jordan and was the tiebreaker. There is too much time between now and Thursday.

Maybe they will think Porsche & Kalia will be weak this week due to being on Slop. I don't know.

J/J are STUPID to not be with Shelly all the time.

LAST EDITED ON 08-22-11 AT 03:52 PM (EST)

J/J should be with Shelly and Adam both as much as possible, in case one defects to D/P. They only need one of S/A to be sure Dani goes. R should let J/J run things and stay out of it, as she and S don't get along in the least.

If Dani can convince S/A that their only chance of winning lies in going with D/P, they might fall for it. Nobody's going to respect a K/P alliance for its lack of leadership and A doesn't have what it takes to lead, either. S is probably better off going with J/J/R than to try to lead K/P/A.

Like I wrote somewhere above, Shelley can't go to the F4 with JeJo and Rachel It's suicide for her because Rachel is too much of a goat. Dani is the best tool for Shelley to get rid of Rachel.

Actually, Shelly wants to keep Dani, let her win next HOH and have her put up JeJo. But Adam isn't buying any of it, showing that all the focus that Jeff put on telling him the plan with regard to Dani prior to nominating her was time well spent. Adam told Shelly that he didn't trust Dani and didn't want her in the house. He also told Shelly that he's staying with his alliance until the house gets down to 6.

We'll see if Dani's "friends in production" that she was boasting about today will help Shelly influence Adam to save Dani. And if they don't, we'll see if Shelly will vote for Dani anyway and out herself as a snake.

My money is that Dani will get to join Brendon in the jury house.

>Actually, Shelly wants to keep Dani,
>let her win next HOH
>and have her put up
> JeJo. But Adam isn't
>buying any of it, showing
>that all the focus that
>Jeff put on telling him
>the plan with regard to
>Dani prior to nominating her
>was time well spent.
>Adam told Shelly that he
>didn't trust Dani and didn't
>want her in the house.
> He also told Shelly
>that he's staying with his
>alliance until the house gets
>down to 6.

So, Rachel has already crossed the frontier between: "I can't stand Rachel, I want her gone as soon as possible" to "I can't stand Rachel, I need to keep her with me until the end." Usually that doesn't happen until pagonging is over. Shelley doesn't have enough control to play that game as evidenced by her inability to convince Adam.

Adam thinks he has an alliance? Now that' funny! I also see that Adam is too dumb to realize that Jeff's backdoor plan put him in danger so, if the guy is such a fool, then Jeff really didn't need to spend that much time with him.

Jeff just thinks of Adam as a floater, but he learned the risk posed by floaters thanks to Kevin in BB11. So he isn't taking any chances with Adam.

And you may be right about Porsche. Jeff talked with Jordan last night about a final 5 with JeJoRa and Adam/Shelly. He also asked Jordan to spend less time with Rachel, because he knows how much the rest of the house dislikes Rachel and he doesn't want Jordan "tainted" by her. He's convinced that he can't make the final two, but he wants Jordan there again.

JeJoRa

Sounds like the Egyptian god of homophobia.

Does Shelly think Dani will take her to Final 2?

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No. What she thinks is that keeping Dani in the game would allow the floaters -- herself and Adam -- to float on, without having to be accountable for their actions, because both sides need them.

She really wants to get Rachel, but she has to pretend to be nice to Rachel because JeJo are protecting Rachel. She thinks that, as long as the two sides target each other, she and Adam are safe. But Adam's buying into Jeff's "pick a side" mantra, at least for now.

In a measure of her growing desperation, Shelly actually asked Rachel whether she'd be willing to save Dani -- the person that booted Brendon twice. Uh, no.

Dani told Kalia and Shelly to nominate Jeff and Rachel next, with Jordan as replacement if needed. Kalia and Shelly said they're desperate to get Rachel out with the FF. We shall see.

LAST EDITED ON 08-24-11 AT 11:44 AM (EST)

Just from a reading of the latest spoiler sites...

Shelly seems to have Porsche firmly on the Dani side with Kalia out. She is working Adam to the bone, trying to convince him he's toast under JJR. So Adam is aware of the attempts to flip the vote and knows that's he's the pivot point. Notably, he doesn't go and blab to JJR of Shelly's latest attempts to sway him. He's telling both sides that he "doesn't trust Dani" after she put him up.

It's looking like Adam's still going to vote to evict Dani, but given how easily influenced he is and how convoluted his logical thinking is -- and with time left just before the vote to catch him in a moment when his virtual quantum light bulb lights up -- Dani being outed is still not a sure thing, although it looks highly likely. Online polls still have fans expecting Dani to go out by a landslide.

This has felt like the longest period between the Veto meeting and the Eviction ever.

Based on what I've seen, Adam does still look to be a lock vote against Dani, but you're correct - Who knows.

I think Shelly has gone from playing the best game to playing the worst. Honestly, I can't really stand to watch her anymore. Especially all of her preaching about lying.

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>J/J should be with Shelly and Adam both as much as
>possible, in case one defects to D/P. They only need
>one of S/A to be sure Dani goes.

And that's why Jeff has focused on Adam so much this week. He can count too. He's spent as much time talking game with Adam in the past few days as he's spent talking game from the start of BB13 until this week.

It's been clear all week that Jeff doesn't trust Shelly. Even Helen Keller would have noticed. As I posted above, Jeff's choice would be for Shelly to go after Kalia, keeping Porsche.

Normally, if you have two close female allies, you'd use them to break up the Dani-Shelly conversations. But Jeff mostly needs Rachel to stay away from Shelly, and he's had to use Jordan to keep Rachel under control instead of schmooze Shelly (or even Porsche).

Really, the only way JeJoRa can be sure of all surviving the Fast Forward on Thursday is if Jordan or Rachel win HOH, in which case either Kalia or Shelly will go.

Dani is working Adam hard, and it doesn't seem to be working. She's basically telling him no one will respect him if he doesn't make a big move, blah, blah, blah. And that ED will love him for keeping her.

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I suspect ED cares more about the quality of the game than whether his daughter gets through it playing what he has so far considered to be a lousy effort saved more through luck and producer intervention than skill. He'd respect Adam for standing up to Danielle and getting rid of a threat -- and superfan Adam should know it.

Getting rid of Danielle is a big move. She's desperate to keep the others from figuring that out.

Agree.

Sounds like from what I'm reading that he's calling her on her BS. She would annoy me. I think he could easily move up in the JJRS alliance because JJ no longer trust Shelly. If he keeps Dani, he's still in a four-person alliance with DPS, and Dani is the only one who has won anything.

I think I would take my chances with JJR.

I wouldn't. JJR would be unbreakable at F4 so Adam would need to win out from there and he hasn't proven he could do it, especially against Jeff.

With DPS, there are no unbreakable bonds and irresistable goat. Much better alliance to manuever.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-11 AT 02:03 AM (EST)

Agree. No way JJR would let Adam get past F4 and break into the F3. JJ are inseparable, R is the train passenger and whoever else is with them will be tossed overboard by then.

While Dani is the ringleader of DPS, there's a good shot Adam could get into an F3 or even F2 with this motley crew.

Wednesday recap. It's funny how far behind this episode is relative to the actual time of events on the live feeds.

It's interesting how much gameplay won't be shown on CBS this week due to the DE. Dani and Kalia crying ... Porsche telling Dani that the two of them should do Amazing Race ... and especially Shelly's all-out attempts to save Dani.

JeJo are afraid that if KPS win HOH, they're going up, because they figure that's what Dani told KPS (they're right, although it seems that KPS still want Rachel out first).

It's interesting how much gameplay won't be shown on CBS this week due to the DE. Dani and Kalia crying ... Porsche telling Dani that the two of them should do Amazing Race ... and especially Shelly's all-out attempts to save Dani.
JeJo are afraid that if KPS win HOH, they're going up, because they figure that's what Dani told KPS (they're right, although it seems that KPS still want Rachel out first).

Hi, I'm a lurker in this thread, but I wanted to pose a question. I have not seen any of the live feeds but have watched this season since the first eviction. Shelly appears locked with Jordan and Jeff. Even after last nights episode she still appeared that way to me. In confessional before the POV competition she said she was just going to stay out of the way and trust Jeff, she wasn't going to try and win. If she was really pro-Dani, she would have tried to win that, no?

Could Shelly just be attempting to save Dani to win her jury vote? I think she's convinced she'll make F3...maybe she figures that Rachel is doomed by anyone in the house besides Jeff or Jordan. I think she's banking on an eviction for Rachel. Just my take on it so far, but I don't know. It appears to me that Shelly would not put Jeff/Jordan on the block....??

Things are changing...the tv edit is always behind until Thursday.

See post 96 below.

I think at this point Dani & Porsche are unbreakable. No one has really needed Adam until now. J/J are solid. I think D/P are now solid - which should show Adam that Dani really can't be trusted.

Adam could keep Kalia and then A/K/P/S could be in control.

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Cameras caught Danielle eating something which wasn't a visible Have-Not approved item in the small hours of last night. She was trying to sneak it and succeeded well enough that the food couldn't be IDed, but she may have broken that rule. (The 'may' is because there's a chance it was cough drops, which seem to be legal.) I doubt we'll see a penalty vote out of it due to lack of cage witnesses and the whole production favoritism issue (plus see 'cough drops'), but the act itself shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

If it was a cough drop, she shouldn't have needed to sneak it.

We're talking about Danielle. Pointless sneaking is in her blood.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-11 AT 00:33 AM (EST)

Over at TVClubhouse, someone said that was her retainer. I don't know if this is the same instance, but it happened about 2 a.m. I'll go back and see if I can find where they were talking about this and bring it over here.

Here it is; they read it elsewhere (I don't know where)-

"I read somewhere it was her retainer.

...I read on another board that someone thought it looked like the retainer that she sometimes wears."
http://www.tvclubhouse.com/forum/messages/10972/9307642.html?1314200394

Danielle HAS been accused of eating in the DR, however. I wouln't doubt that, seeing that she is Grodner's favorite to win.

Well if Dani is Grodner's favorite to win, she sure doesn't seem to be having much luck persuading the HG to keep her. She's probably gonna have to threaten some pretty bad punishment to get them to keep Dani.

Got to do this quickly...only had time to read part of what was transpiring, so I hope someone else can fill in the parts I miss.

--Dani worked on Adam relentlessly yesterday.

--BBers received a new game in the backyard that is likely a practice game for a future comp. It's a large (10 ft long?) wooden S shaped snake curved path that is around 4 feet off the ground, balanced on some tripod type stands. They have to roll a bocce ball sized ball down the path and try to get it to the hole at one end. They have to hold this thing up and tilt it back and forth to get the ball to twist and turn on the path. Looks like arm and core strength helps with this one.

From what I have read, Jordan and Porsche are the two who are good at it.

--Shelly thinks she is flipping the house by aligning with Rachel to vote out Kalia and have a pact with Dani.

--Shelly outed Jeff's throwing the cornhole comp to woo Rachel.

--Rachel spilled to Jeff what Shelly was telling her.

--Jeff says screw Shelly, he's done with her (paraphrasing), and agrees to an F4 deal with JeJo, Adam and Rachel.

--Kalia is oblivious to all that is going on.

--posters on Jokers are saying it was some of the best feeds in years the past few hours. Wish I had time to watch it right now!

--Jeff wants to wait for Dani to get voted out and then expose Shelly for her double dealing.

--Porsche was still working on Adam at 4 in the morning and Adam points out that he was never needed in an alliance with Dani before this (good for you, Adam!).

I've probably missed something or a lot, but that's what I can tell is going on at the moment.

It seems like it is coming down to Rachel as to whether Dani stays or not.

Dani has Jeff on throwing the Veto, although Jeff can probably worm his way out of it by saying he needed to win to keep he and Jordan safe. It was a physical contest, so he didn't have complete control over throwing it unless he threw the bag and completely missed. So yes, he threw it, but it wasn't obvious. Dani still put Brendon up. Twice.

It may be a very intense and interesting lockdown today.

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Check out the transcripts after 4:00 a.m., after Dani's already given up on Adam. Adam had already told her that he won't vote in her favor.

Dani, Shelly and Rachel are talking and seem to have struck a deal on the unholy alliance of D/S/R/P. Porsche and Adam don't know about this deal yet. Adam will never find out, Porsche might be kept in the dark on a "need to know" basis until after the fact.

Rachel has since seen Jeff, but it's not clear if she spilled the beans for the backstab, but warns him there is turmoil ahead.

See below.

Ironically, this really does make Rachel into Daniele's ideal F2 partner. Count Rachel's votes into this scenario. She automatically gets Brendon, but Jeff & Jordan play the betrayal card, Kalia and Porsche would rather strangle themselves with hair extensions than vote for Rachel, and the rest aren't going to matter.

Of course, there's a chance Rachel is just making Daniele think she's on her side so Buki's Revenge can be enacted at the vote. (Cue turmoil.) But Rachel may also be exactly this dumb, or have convinced herself that ultimate vengeance is taking out Daniele at F2 -- which I don't think she can do.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-11 AT 12:32 PM (EST)

See below.

Yeah, I had the new post window already up as I was perusing the spoiler transcripts (probably about the same time as you were) and hit 'post' before returning back to the thread.

Of course, there's a chance Rachel is just making Daniele think she's on her side so Buki's Revenge can be enacted at the vote.

That was my thought. Get Dani to think she'll flip and then the vote becomes a final twist of the knife in Dani's back. And, in the mirror, she's already practicing that evil grin she'll throw Dani's way when the vote is revealed. Of course, she can recycle that grin and throw it JJ's way if she really does go through with the deal with Dani.

The most fun type of alliance!
They would certainly challenge Survivor's Casaya as the craziest ever but they would still need to go all the way to the end to match them.

It looked like something was out of place or missing. She saw Jeff, and then Jeff thanked her for coming to him. I don't know.

That's the part the live feed transcripts aren't clear on. Just what did she say to Jeff?

Everything. Jeff now knows about KPS. He and Rachel talked about Shelly going next if their side wins HOH.

Rachel had a meeting with Dani and Shelly to "confirm" her participation in their foursome. But it's not happening, unless I misread Rachel. In one move, she's going to get revenge on Dani and "out" Shelly.

But it's not happening, unless I misread Rachel.

Yes, no doubt he'd know about KPS, but that's already history. The question, really, is does Jeff know about the R/D/S/P deal? Even if Rachel kept quiet to Jeff about it and he doesn't know about it, Rachel can still play her backstab on Dani and expose Shelly.

I agree Rachel very likely won't go into the unholy alliance and exact some sweet revenge by pretending to D/S that she will.

But, who knows. It would be a wicked and perhaps fatal blindside on JJA if she decided to.

Well, well, well. I don't know if Rachel will go through with the whole thing or not. I think Rachel has a slightly better chance to go to the Final 3 with Daniele and Porsche than she does with Jeff & Jordan -- but Daniele & Porsche may be about as unbreakable as Jeff & Jordan. Either way, I think Rachel's not going to win.

There is a chance -- just a small one -- that Danielle has successfully talked Rachel around into a Kalia ouster vote, giving Danielle the crucial three she needs to stay in the cage. If so, two things need to be done immediately.

1. Revise your estimate of Rachel's IQ down by another five points.

2. Put some boards over your windows, because Hurricane Jeff is on the way.

Ok to #1. If IQ points can actually go negative.

The trade-off: Sacrifice some IQ points and gain some ebilness points. Either way, Rachel is going to have that wicked witch's grin on her face when the back stab vote is revealed. I'm convinced that's half of what she plays the game for.

Honestly, I think it's a good move for Rachel to flip to Dani's side. She can't win against Jeff or Jordan at the end. They can argue they 100% carried her there. If she makes this move with Dani and ends up at the end, she can at least argue she got game. Will it be enough? Probably not, but going the other route is guaranteeing she can't win. Unless she somehow ends up next to Adam or something.

This is the time to get out Dani. Dani is too good at competitions. They may never have another shot. I agree that Rachel has no chance of winning against JJ but she's got to see that Dani is the bigger threat. I'll be flabergasted if Kalia is evicted.

What's best for Rachel and what's best for Ratings may be two different things. LOL. I do not think CBS wants Dani out.

RJR, check your pm's.

And I agree, this is the shot to take Dani out.

But it's also the shot to take JJ out, although that would depend on who wins the FF HoH.

The problem with that pla, as we've learned this week, is that DP is as close as JJ. Turns out that DK wasn't the real alliance on Dani's side; DP was. Kalia doesn't even appear to know it. Rachel tells Shelly that there's no way she'l be better off dealing with DP than with JJ.l

Jordan, living up to her reputation, tells Shelly that she knows she (Jordan) has to win HOH to keep Jeff safe. This is a direct violation of the JJR deal to not say anything to Shelly about her duplicity until after Dani's gone. Jordan then tried to gloss it over, and Shelly didn't appear to catch on.

So, you are telling us that Dani and Porsche are about to get married?

No way are DaPo as close as JeJo. Even Rob doubted Amber until the very end of @ss. Stephen would have dumped JT if he had won F3. Any alliance formed in the house is breakable. JeJo have a bond that goes beyond the game and they have a $500 000 interest in keeping Rachel with them. Shelley is much better off dealing with DaPo.

I saw R go in to talk to D last night and it looked like it was maybe to keep D awake all night trying to figure out how to make that alliance viable. And right now? Everyone asleep in the HOH room? Slumber party? What did I miss here?

They are on lockdown as preps are made for the live show.

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And FF isn't just for "Fast Forward" any more. It'll be "Fuming Furious".

Whenever I see "you," I want to say, "Zing."

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Zing!

LOL
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