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"I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Toban on 07-13-11 at 11:33 AM
Note: I don't think this is should be in spoilers even though there's a video link to the live feeds that haven't aired yet. The video doesn't show anything spoilerish in terms of competitions/strategy etc. If I'm wrong in posting in here, please move it to spoilers.

For those who don't care to watch the video, here's the partial transcript, which is a discussion mainly between Jeff and Kalia over the Harry Potter character, "Dumbledore":

Jeff says "Who's Dumbledorf.. who is that, the big guy?".. Rachel then says "why would she want a gay character?" while Jeff in the background says "That would be perverted!" Kalia explains that she made the character so that her kids and other kids would understand homosexuality.

Jeff says "how is he meant to be gay? he doesn't have any gay tendencies..." Kalia interrupts and says "maybe that's the point! so that people like you don't stereotype gay people".

Jeff says "WHAT DO YOU mean stereotypes around gay people? He's in a school with little kids, you can't make THAT GUY GAY!"

Kalia squeeled "WHYYYY? Gay men can't work with little kids!?"

Jeff says "it isn't right to have it in a little kids book, and have the head master locked away in this magical land, be gay. That isn't the right kind of writing to do."

Kalia doesn't see anything wrong with it. "I don't see why not!"

Jeff says "Oh I can see your PC view of it, but it's not the right thing to do..." she asks him "WHY is it PC?"

Jeff says to her "Listen, you know what I'm talking about and don't make it seem like your doing the right thing by saying it's not! You are going to let your kids read a story book where little kids go to fantasy camp without their parents and the guy is GAY?"

Kalia: "Just because he is gay, doesn't mean there is a thing wrong with him!"

Jeff: "GTFO! Don't start with that f'in *****!" While Kalia is trying to defend herself, Jeff is yelling louder "Don't tell me the right answer for f'n T.V.!..."

Here's the link which includes the actual video.
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/bbdumbledore.html

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"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by vince3 on 07-13-11 at 11:46 AM
Alerted: Until it airs, it is a spoiler.
"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Toban on 07-13-11 at 12:48 PM
Is there some way I can move this to spoilers or does one of the moderators have to do that?

Also, what if (as is likely), this bit never airs but has occurred in time before, say, tonight's episode airs? Does it always remain a spoiler or can it go here?

"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Snidget on 07-13-11 at 01:37 PM
Usually once CBS has plenty of activity to air it and hasn't you can bring it up.

However most of these things do get discussed on the spoiler forum, but we all love a good bashing thread. The mods should be able to move it, I think, try alerting your post so they know to take a look at it with your request.

"Temp Move from Bashers"
Posted by IceCat on 07-13-11 at 04:49 PM
Will move it back to Bashers once the subject events are aired.
"RE: Temp Move from Bashers"
Posted by Toban on 07-13-11 at 05:21 PM
Thanks. The internet (and especially my facebook page) is all up in arms over this mess. While they may not air this on the live show, the world now knows what kind of guy he is.
"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Belle Book on 07-13-11 at 04:58 PM
Jeff. Is. An. Idiot. And that's all I have to say on him!


"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Estee on 07-13-11 at 05:45 PM
I brought it up on this week's Live Feeds thread. Sadly, I don't think it'll ever make the air. Jeff was the king of the casual gay slur in his original season (with Jordan as willing queen) and none of it ever got airtime. CBS and Endemol have too much of a vested interest in protecting him.
"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by zazzy on 07-13-11 at 07:29 PM
I'm wondering if Jeff had a brain out and confused pedophiles and gay, meaning when she said Dumbled. was gay, he heard pedophile.

Someone on another board posted tweets from one of Jeff's cousins who is gay and said Jeff was always supportive, not a hater, etc.

Kevin was in the cast Jeff's season--and he got along with Kevin didn't he? I think if someone had said, like Kevin being a teacher, Jeff may have realized he was having a brain out.

"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by Toban on 07-15-11 at 04:41 PM
That'd be quite the stretch given the context of the conversation and what Jeff actually said. For example, he attacks Kalia for being "PC" or politically correct. I've never heard anyone defending pedophiles being called "politically correct" or any form of correct.

"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by cahaya on 07-18-11 at 03:00 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-18-11 AT 03:08 PM (EST)

I checked it out and it's fairly clear he meant 'gay' instead of 'pedophile' in context of the whole conversation.

Of course, there are those folks who think the two are one and the same.

(eta) And J.K. Rowling did confirm that Dumbledore is gay in an announcement she made.

JKR: My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay. ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent? But, he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him.

"RE: I now officially hate Jeff (even more)"
Posted by zazzy on 07-13-11 at 09:49 PM
Read on another board that Kalia told Lawon that Jeff had apologized to her.

"CBS says..."
Posted by Estee on 07-14-11 at 07:35 AM
...about what you'd expect. (Keep in mind that this is no way their fault. If they had any say over Endemol's casting, you'd have to think the Jailbird Society would be a lot smaller.)

"Big Brother is a reality show about watching a group of people who have no privacy 24/7 - and seeing every moment of their lives. At times, the Houseguests make comments, reveal prejudices and other beliefs that we do not condone. Any views or opinions expressed in personal commentary by a Houseguest appearing on BIG BROTHER, either on any live feed from the House or the broadcast, are those of the individual(s) speaking and do not represent the views or opinions of CBS or the producers of the program."

The key question now becomes 'Will Jeff be made available for interviews after his ouster?' Remember Amber? Don't.

"RE: CBS says..."
Posted by michel on 07-14-11 at 05:02 PM
Was this done in direct reply to a complaint about Jeff or was it a general statement of non-responsibility?
"RE: CBS says..."
Posted by Estee on 07-14-11 at 07:15 PM
Direct response. But feel free to see it as a blanket statement for the rest of the season.
"A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by michel on 07-15-11 at 05:08 PM
Would your feelings for Jeff be different if you learned that he had been molested, say by a teacher, as a child?
"RE: A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by Estee on 07-15-11 at 05:31 PM
Should I assume more than fifty million Americans have had the same experience?

"RE: A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by Toban on 07-15-11 at 07:26 PM
Not really, although I'd perhaps at least have an understanding where his hateful beliefs came from.

If a female was molested by a male teacher as a child, would it be excusable if she suggested that no adult heterosexual males ought to be able to teach children? Would anyone take her opinion as anything but utterly ridiculous?

"RE: A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by michel on 07-15-11 at 08:01 PM
>Not really, although I'd perhaps at
>least have an understanding where
>his hateful beliefs came from.

I'm not trying to say it could ever make sense but I find Hate threads unsettling. Call him an idiot and I'll agree but I won't go all the way to hate.


>If a female was molested by
>a male teacher as a
>child, would it be excusable
>if she suggested that no
>adult heterosexual males ought to
>be able to teach children?
> Would anyone take her
>opinion as anything but utterly
>ridiculous?


I've often seen eyebrows raised when a man is teaching very young kids. So, no, I don't think everyone would find it utterly ridiculous. Unfortunately, many could embark on her crusade.

"RE: A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by Corvis on 07-18-11 at 12:21 PM
Nope.

Not that I hate the man - just strongly dislike. But then I don't hate anyone.

And are you suggesting this was the case with Jeff?

"RE: A Question to anyone who cares"
Posted by cahaya on 07-18-11 at 03:10 PM
Not that I have any feelings for Jeff (I don't), but no. The issue he seems to have is not with a male pedophile, but a gay man teaching children.