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"This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."

Posted by LibraRising on 06-21-05 at 12:37 PM
Has anyone heard of this new ABC show called "Welcome to the Neighborhood?" Basically, seven "diverse" families are competing for a home in Austin, and the neighbors get to choose which ones get the house.

A description of the families competing for the home:
The diverse group includes African-American, Caucasian, Korean, Latino and gay families, plus one family in which husband and wife are heavily tattooed, and another in which mom and dad are devoted to the practice of Wicca, sometimes known as witchcraft or paganism.

One of the neighbors has already said he doesn't want a gay family moving in.

Am I the only one who has a problem with a show giving some snobby, rich asshats the power to choose which type of minority they'll allow to move into their pristine little neighborhood? How about this: These prissy little neighbors who are so selective about who they live next to go live in East St. Louis for three months. I'd watch that.


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Table of contents
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,ladro, 01:43 PM, 06-21-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,AZ_Leo, 02:10 PM, 06-21-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,LibraRising, 02:34 PM, 06-21-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Tahj, 02:45 PM, 06-21-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,AZ_Leo, 02:50 PM, 06-21-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,missygirl3, 02:36 PM, 06-21-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Tahj, 02:42 PM, 06-21-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,LibraRising, 02:46 PM, 06-21-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Tahj, 02:49 PM, 06-21-05
        • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,LibraRising, 03:01 PM, 06-21-05
          • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Tahj, 03:19 PM, 06-21-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Cygnus X1, 11:53 AM, 06-22-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,zipperhead, 02:45 PM, 06-21-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,uglier than sarah w, 01:19 PM, 06-22-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Tahj, 01:42 PM, 06-22-05
        • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,DonnaLynn, 01:34 PM, 06-24-05
          • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,LibraRising, 02:50 PM, 06-24-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,pmspml5, 05:12 PM, 06-24-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,DRONES, 07:50 AM, 06-28-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,bystander, 09:56 AM, 06-28-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Fox41, 10:36 AM, 07-05-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,Spidey, 02:38 PM, 06-28-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,foonermints, 08:25 PM, 06-29-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,volsfan, 09:03 PM, 06-29-05
      • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,iloverob, 10:03 AM, 07-05-05
        • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,volsfan, 10:46 AM, 07-05-05
          • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,iloverob, 04:23 PM, 07-05-05
            • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,volsfan, 06:31 PM, 07-05-05
  • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,cambo, 00:30 AM, 06-30-05
    • RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show...,nitebloomer, 01:27 AM, 09-13-05
  • Canceled,Breezy, 10:15 AM, 06-30-05
    • RE: Canceled,ladro, 11:24 AM, 06-30-05
    • RE: Canceled,foonermints, 11:31 AM, 06-30-05
    • RE: Canceled,volsfan, 11:51 AM, 06-30-05
      • RE: Canceled,LibraRising, 02:54 PM, 07-05-05
        • RE: Canceled,volsfan, 03:22 PM, 07-05-05
          • RE: Canceled,uglier than sarah w, 12:11 PM, 07-06-05
            • RE: Canceled,volsfan, 02:24 PM, 07-06-05
        • RE: Canceled,cahaya, 02:42 PM, 07-06-05
          • RE: Canceled,DonnaLynn, 03:07 PM, 07-06-05
            • RE: Canceled,LibraRising, 04:19 PM, 07-06-05
          • RE: Canceled,Bebo, 03:30 PM, 07-06-05

Messages in this discussion
"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by ladro on 06-21-05 at 01:43 PM
yes, I have seen the previews. The main problem I have with the show is that the Deck is stacked, and that the neighbors will quickly realize that the Deck is stacked to make them look bigoted, and hence they will clam up and the show will become dull. This type of show would be good for one or two episodes, but not any more. My guess is the Wicans win.

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by AZ_Leo on 06-21-05 at 02:10 PM
ABC seems to be trying to be the network with the uplifting, warm and fuzzy reality shows because of it's success with Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. My guess is it will be edited to show how these snobs all learned to be more tolerant and "love thy neighbor" no matter how bizarre.

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by LibraRising on 06-21-05 at 02:34 PM
LAST EDITED ON 06-21-05 AT 02:35 PM (EST)

Well, after they get rid of the gay people, at least...

"I will not tolerate a homosexual couple coming into this neighborhood," one of the neighbors, Jim Stewart, says on the show about one of the candidate families — a gay couple with an adopted baby. "I want a family similar to what we are," asserts another neighbor, John Bellamy, in a statement that would seem to dismiss at least six out of the seven candidate families.


ETA: I'm reminded of that "Trading Spouses" with that awful, awful woman who was so hateful to the lesbian.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Tahj on 06-21-05 at 02:45 PM
If this follows most reality TV show formats, that's just hype to get people to watch--the potential for conflict. They WANT us to think it will be really, really controversial. That's the hook.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by AZ_Leo on 06-21-05 at 02:50 PM
There's also the preview of the neighbors sitting down and discussing the lifestyle. I'm sure ABC will edit in a precious Kumbayah (or should I say Disney) moment somewhere in there.

From the website:

But with every encounter with these families, the opinionated neighbors' pre-conceived assumptions and prejudices are also chipped away, and they learn that, while on the outside we may appear different, deep inside we share many common bonds. The judges find themselves learning to see people, not stereotypes.

About the Show

Doesn't that just make you want to hug someone


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by missygirl3 on 06-21-05 at 02:36 PM
I saw the previews for the show too and I sitting this one out. This is a sad reminder of how snobby and materialistic alot of people(including my mother-in-law) are. libra, I agree with your idea on the East St. Louis. Time to E-mail FOX

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Tahj on 06-21-05 at 02:42 PM
Am I the only one who has a problem with a show giving some snobby, rich asshats the power to choose which type of minority they'll allow to move into their pristine little neighborhood? How about this: These prissy little neighbors who are so selective about who they live next to go live in East St. Louis for three months. I'd watch that.

On the surface, yes. According to the website, it's more than that. It could potentially be very beneficial to those who watch it, by exposing the preconceptions and predjudices that many Americans share and seeing how they are overcome. It could be very thought-provoking.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/neighborhood/show.html

We'll only know for sure if we watch it. It sounds interesting and I probably will.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by LibraRising on 06-21-05 at 02:46 PM
I will try to watch it. I'm just worried that this will have the potential to make me very, very mad...the same reason I've erased all AM stations off my radio.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Tahj on 06-21-05 at 02:49 PM
The network is hoping for strong reactions, I'm sure.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by LibraRising on 06-21-05 at 03:01 PM
Well, I can take comfort if these people have the cultural sensitivity of Donna Bevins, I can come back here to vent about it.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Tahj on 06-21-05 at 03:19 PM
Oh yes! I'm counting on it. It should make for lots of juicy postings.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Cygnus X1 on 06-22-05 at 11:53 AM
That's funny, I ONLY listen to AM stations



"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by zipperhead on 06-21-05 at 02:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 06-21-05 AT 02:47 PM (EST)

A description of the families competing for the home: The diverse group includes African-American, Caucasian,
Too mainstream, neither of these will win

Korean,
Finalists, but not the winner. Definitely can see some King of the Hill moments here.

Latino and gay families,
I would bet on one of these.

plus one family in which husband and wife are heavily tattooed, and another in which mom and dad are devoted to the practice of Wicca.
Included merely to draw in an audience. Now, if one of these families were Korean and heavily-tatooed Wiccans, we would have our winners right there.

One of the neighbors has already said he doesn't want a gay family moving in.
This fella will have the lion's share of sound bites.

How about this: These prissy little neighbors who are so selective about who they live next to go live in East St. Louis for three months. I'd watch that.
Now, try to imagine a "Wife Swap" situation included and you would really have something there. Petrified white folk in every camera frame. I've actually visited East St. Louis a few times and I've only had rocks thrown at my car once. The casino on the river isn't too bad, either. So long as one of your idiot friends doesn't decide to relieve herself in a bush next to a bus stop. Those old people getting off the bus couldn't quite figure out what she was doing in there.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by uglier than sarah w on 06-22-05 at 01:19 PM
Why don't they have the diverse people live in the neighborhood and have to judge and pick one of the middle class white families? Now THAT would be groundbreaking!

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Tahj on 06-22-05 at 01:42 PM
Because you would NEVER find a middle class white family willing to do that.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by DonnaLynn on 06-24-05 at 01:34 PM
When I saw the previews for this show, all I could think of is how un-welcome my husband and I have always felt in our neighborhood and why anyone would want to go through that is crazy.

We don't do drugs, have loud parties, (no kids yet), and we keep our place neat and clean and our 2 little doggies are very well behaved. (When they are in the back yard, we don't allow them to bark at the neighbors and I'm not joking when I tell you that they are very well trained.)

There are only 2 neighbors who don't act like we have the plague. The guy to the left of us is older and is super nice, always waving and saying hi when we are outside. The other is an older, retired couple who live kiddy-corner across the street from us. Only problem is they are snow-birds and are only here in the winter.

The people to the right of us are insensitive, are always letting their dogs run loose and who all seem to scream at each other and take off squealing their tires at all hours of the night. The people behind us are just as bad. They sit in their back porch smoking pot at all hours of the day and night, let their 2 great danes run all over the place with no leash and their yard isn't fenced in, meanwhile they are loud and are very unpleasant whenever we try to relax in our pool.

Now, we've lived there for 4 years and every day is hell. We can't wait until my husband finishes college so we can afford to move to a better place. It's not that we are in a bad neighborhood with crime and such, it's just that we have a bunch of insensitive people around us. (I haven't even mentioned the idiot who drives a black bronco that ALWAYS blares his radio so loud that you can hear him coming a mile away. This man passes our house at least 3 times a day, one of them being at around 3am every day.)

This rant leads me to the following:
If these people want to live in a "dream home in a dream neighborhood" it isn't all it's cracked up to be and I only hope they can handle living in a bowl for the rest of their lives, because these neighbors are very superficial and seem to be snobby. I don't care how much they say they might have "changed" by being on the show. Most people with predjicies (sp?) don't change them overnight. Most aren't able to change them at all! So these people who won't accept the gay couple and the black couple may get all nice and fuzzy for the cameras, but within a few years, something will happen that will land all of them in the People's Court!!!

--Donna :~)


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by LibraRising on 06-24-05 at 02:50 PM
My sister lived in a similar neighborhood (one of those freaky every-home-looks-alike neighborhoods where association regulations required every home to have an oak tree in the yard). Her experiences were similar.

Give me an apartment in the city any day.


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by pmspml5 on 06-24-05 at 05:12 PM
I have TIVO and taped the scholar - when is shown in the previews is the gentleman who bashes the gays - giving the gay man a hug and both are crying - ie we have learned to accept them. You have to really watch it but I'm 100% sure that this ends ups with the pre-conceived notions blown all to crap


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by DRONES on 06-28-05 at 07:50 AM
I don't have a problem with it at all. I guess that makes me a minority. If I had the power to choose my neighbors, you bet I'd put them through the ringer.

DRONES


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by bystander on 06-28-05 at 09:56 AM
LAST EDITED ON 06-28-05 AT 10:05 AM (EST)

I wouldn't take the show too seriously. After all, they're trying to get as much hype around it cuz that is what will draw the viewers. My guess is the conflicts will be few and far between and the show will be a disappointment at best.

And yes, c'mon now, who wouldn't want to be able to choose their neighbors. You don't have to be the minority in the neighborhood (whether black/white/gay/straight/jehovah's witness/redneck/CFO/etc.)to be the bad neighbor. Just like litterbugs, they come in all shapes and sizes.

Btw, when is this show going to air? Also, are Rob and Amber one of the neighbors trying to move into the neighborhood????

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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Fox41 on 07-05-05 at 10:36 AM
"I don't have a problem with
it at all. I guess
that makes me a minority.
If I had the power
to choose my neighbors, you
bet I'd put them through
the ringer."


That makes two of us. You never know
what you're going to get until they
move in. And it can turn out to be a
big ol' mess. Trust me on that.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by Spidey on 06-28-05 at 02:38 PM
I think it could go wither way. I agree with ? (sorry, poor short-term memory) that if done right, it could be a real eyeopener for lots of people.

Or it could be your standard garbage exploitative carp.




"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by foonermints on 06-29-05 at 08:25 PM
I vote for the:


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by volsfan on 06-29-05 at 09:03 PM
I agree Spidey. I think because ABC is doing I have higher hopes than if it were on FOX or a channel like that. ABC has seen how popular their makeover shows are and they are all feel goody type...I am still hoping.

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by iloverob on 07-05-05 at 10:03 AM
I don't have any respect for ABC. ABC yanks shows off the air and jerks fans around all the time. Even with their hit shows - Desperate Housewives and Lost, they air repeats or pull the show for some other stupid show...

Then they have those reality shows that they pulled off the air and those that invested their time didn't even get to see who won.

I have more respect for FOX even though they air some shows I don't really care for....I just don't watch them. But when their scheduling interfered with the showing of 24, they fixed the problem the next year by not starting 24 until January and then showing it consecutively each week until conclusion. At least they have a little more respect for their fans .....boy was that a loaded statement; I bet there of plenty of you that have examples where they haven't showed respect for their fans
So far they haven't screwed me, so my feelings for ABC/FOX are just IMHO.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by volsfan on 07-05-05 at 10:46 AM
Have we been watching the same networks?

First off, FOX is the worst channel out there when it comes to reality shows. They have no respect for their viewers what so freakin ever! FOX has pulled 3-4 shows that I started watching just because they wanted to and they changed nights and times for the shows before pulling them off the air (without much if any notice to viewers).

ABC was very vocal about when and where their new shows would air. FOX doesn't do the same.

I am not counting putting reruns in place of new shows because all networks do this to some extent at some point in time. But, pulling shows off air at a whim has to go to FOX hands down and they do it with no explanation.

I totally disagree with you on this one.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by iloverob on 07-05-05 at 04:23 PM
Yeah, I kinda figured when I was typing that message that others would have a different experience than me. I sympathize with you. I still haven't gotten over ABC pulling that win a house show - can't remember the name. Ever since then, I've been bitter towards them.

"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by volsfan on 07-05-05 at 06:31 PM
I am still pist at FOX for pulling Playing It Straight in the middle of the run and then make everyone wait months just to get to read what happened.

Also, Forever Eden...you know the one...the reality show that would never end. Guess what? It did!


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"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by cambo on 06-30-05 at 00:30 AM

>Am I the only one who
>has a problem with a
>show giving some snobby, rich
>asshats the power to choose
>which type of minority they'll
>allow to move into their
>pristine little neighborhood? How about
>this: These prissy little neighbors
>who are so selective about
>who they live next to
>go live in East St.
>Louis for three months. I'd
>watch that.

LOL. I love how you put that. I'm gonna pass on this series. Having one family choose who is 'deserving' enough to live next to them is a bit odd to me.


"RE: This has the makings of a vile, vile show..."
Posted by nitebloomer on 09-13-05 at 01:27 AM
I gotta agree with you on this one. I have the best house possible......it's on wheels if the neighbors suck I hook up and move. Wanting to get a house doesn't mean that much to me I have had three of them and only one place had good neighbors for a few years. Having someone "consider me good enough to live near them" just doesn't top my list of things to do.

"Canceled"
Posted by Breezy on 06-30-05 at 10:15 AM
Story here.

"RE: Canceled"
Posted by ladro on 06-30-05 at 11:24 AM
you beat me to it.
Even though I was not going to watch it, I want to know who won.

"RE: Canceled"
Posted by foonermints on 06-30-05 at 11:31 AM
Does this mean we finally get to see Forever Eden: The lost episodes?

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"RE: Canceled"
Posted by volsfan on 06-30-05 at 11:51 AM
LAST EDITED ON 06-30-05 AT 11:52 AM (EST)

This may be for Off Topic but I don't understand people complaining and protesting something they never see.

"Our intention with 'Welcome to the Neighborhood' was to show the transformative process that takes place when people are forced to confront preconceived notions of what makes a good neighbor, and we believe the series delivers exactly that," Walt Disney Co. -owned ABC said in a statement carried by Daily Variety and the Hollywood Reporter.

Maybe the show was a learning process and by the end there were changes made in peoples lives/perceptions.

GLAAD was concerned that the gay couple might get grilled by the neighbors, while the Family Research Council was worried that the conservative neighbors might be ridiculed for their Christian beliefs.

Again, showing they are protesting something they have no idea the content. Just because there is the potential doesn't mean it would be so!


"RE: Canceled"
Posted by LibraRising on 07-05-05 at 02:54 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-05-05 AT 02:55 PM (EST)

It happens all the time. From both sides. Ask Linda Ellerbe, Buster the Bunny or Dr. Laura. FTR, I wasn't a fan of the protests on Dr. Laura even though I saw GLAAD and the other's point, but in the marketplace, her show would have cratered with or without their protests because it sucked. And if the person is too vile, they'll implode (like Michael Savage on MSNBC).

While I was squeamish about the show's premise, I would have liked to have seen it and judged for myself.

eft: the spelling of Linda Ellerbe's name


My East St. Louis idea, BTW, is still up for sale. I'm waiting for your call, Fox!


"RE: Canceled"
Posted by volsfan on 07-05-05 at 03:22 PM
Oh I know it happens on both sides all the time and that is in part why I posted. I don't understand it. As you said in the title for this thresd...potential. It has the potential to be something not good but it also has potential to do some good. If one family can be taught something out of all this maybe that isn't such a bad thing.


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"RE: Canceled"
Posted by uglier than sarah w on 07-06-05 at 12:11 PM
Probably a smart decision on Disney's part...those poor people who went through all that crap though! Man, I hope they were rewarded handsomely...

We can make fun of stupid people wanting to be rich or famous or travel around the world on reality shows, but I just don't think it's nice to make fun of people who already have disadvantages and are prejudiced against anyway.


"RE: Canceled"
Posted by volsfan on 07-06-05 at 02:24 PM
The show that comes to mind is the Wife Swap/Trading Spouses (can't remember which) episode where the conservative woman was sent to live with a lesbian. That show prompted more conversation than most on that forum. There was some very good conversation going on about what happened.

Yes, the lesbian took some bad mouthing from the conservative but in the end the lesbian couple came out looking like a far more "normal" family than most on the show. The lesbians carried themselve with dignity and grace and the conservatives were just mean.

The show had potential to do something good and now we won't know if it could have or not.

Funny thing, there is a two page article on the show in TV Guide with a preview and everything. I guess ABC pulled the plug after TV Guide had gone to press.


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"RE: Canceled"
Posted by cahaya on 07-06-05 at 02:42 PM
While I was squeamish about the show's premise, I would have liked to have seen it and judged for myself.

Same here.

And I do wonder, who actually won the house?


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"RE: Canceled"
Posted by DonnaLynn on 07-06-05 at 03:07 PM
I agree that it was dumb to cancel this show after such heavy promotion. Now, I probably would not have watched this show, but the network lost some points in my book for pulling it. I'm tired of every single group in the world getting upset everytime "their group" isn't portrayed correctly or something. Hmmm, I thought we had FREE SPEECH here in America! So what if the show showed homosexuals in a negative light? What about all the blacks that get shown negatively? How about the whites that are shown that way??? I don't see the "Society for the preservation of white people" out there trying to get "Black" and "gay" programming off the air. Give me a break! If a few advocate groups are able to do this so easily, it's the end of our free society as we know it!

--Donna :~)


"RE: Canceled"
Posted by LibraRising on 07-06-05 at 04:19 PM
It wasn't just GLAAD. The Family Research Council (an organization, BTW, whose leader was caught buying mailing lists from David Duke, not too far off from the "society for the preservation of white people") was also speaking out against it, saying it would paint conservative Christians in a bad light.


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"RE: Canceled"
Posted by Bebo on 07-06-05 at 03:30 PM
We'll probably find out in August, when the new residents move in, who won. They do get to keep the house even though the show isn't airing.