LOL, good one! As a holder of a few shares of Apple's stock, I can assure you that greens are Apple, or better, AAPL is greens! (mostly ;) ).

It would be nice to have AG explain the photo on mediafriends for Wednesday on page 3, is it accurate or did a viewer misunderstand the rules. It is titled Cheaters and shows that Natalie only has one hand on the key. Were the rules that both hands had to be on the key and that you had to face forward

http://www.mediafiends.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6622&Itemid=38

I think it was one hand. I know at the start Kevin was doing it one handed. You were supposed to be forward and some people have pictures of Kevin being sideways.

Most of the gNat cheated photos I've seen are more about her hand being on the rope, not the key, or what looks like her using her hairband to attach her hand to the key.

From what I understand from the Chenbot on Tuesday night (and is the usual tradition for this segment of the Final HoH......) at least one hand must be on the key at all times..........

As Snidget states, one of the main controversies from that competition is a picture captured during Showtime 2 that had Nat's hand above the key and mainly holding the rope instead of the key. Her finger might've been brushing against the key, at best.........

LAST EDITED ON 09-10-09 AT 02:48 PM (EST)

That would be interesting if they decided that she was disqualified. It would mean that Kevin still won however.

Relying only on memory here, but I think Julie said that their hand had to be touching the key at all times, and although Gnat is holding onto the string, it appears she is still touching the key.

LAST EDITED ON 09-10-09 AT 10:34 AM (EST)

Last night they got some kind of skeeball-ish device that is suspected to be a practice device for Part 2.

Because of that, Kevin barely practiced on it, since he wouldn't be playing in that part........

They were also told that there was going to be two comps today, and that all of them should pack.......

Here are some pics of the practice thing:

http://twitpic.com/h5ziv
http://twitpic.com/h5zjg

Oh, and a giant moth at one point scared NataLIE away from practice and inside to play solitaire safely inside........

how about a competition inside a cage filled with butterflies

... Natalie to practice.

Maybe he thinks he can beat her with the jury.

In a major way, Kevin is even more pitiful than Jeff. Jeff was genuinely fooled (the moron), but Kevin understands that Gnat is what she is, and that the odds are that she has the votes to win against him.

And he STILL follows her plan.

I think "Moron" needs to be a verb. To out "Moron" the other houseguests seems to be the goal from week to week.

They've been out for over an hour, and I have a feeling they won't be up until after tonight's show.........

Check out the beginning of the HOH comp, part 1--Nat, between 1:00 and 1:08 puts a rubber band around the key and her hand. It was one she already had ready to use. Makes the comp meaningless if Nat has a reminder that she's taking her hand off of the key--remember Janie lost with lifting her hand off for a second to turn to look when Boogey jumped down from the comp ala Richard Hatch style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWWnd6dlyJU&feature=channel_page\

That's brilliant. She should have been called on it instantly and told to remove it or face disqualification from the competition, but just having thought of it is a moment of low genius.

Which doesn't change the fact that Natalie needs to be the subject of the world's first six-billion-participant shun. But it's still a great move.

I can understand why you say it is a moment of low genius, but I think it's sh!tty and I try not to use that language on the boards. She's a freakin' cheat and I hope BB shows this at the finale (yeah, I know, they show this after the jury votes, but I hope it is shown).

How much are they told about the challenge before they see it?
What did she know that would give her the idea to put the rubber band on her wrist in the first place?
I thought they just told them what clothing to wear; then sent them outside and started the challenge.

BB's done the hold onto the key in the part 1 HOH comp before--so it was reasonable to expect it this time.

They've borrowed a lot from Evel D's season and in that one they were on individual stumps and had to hold onto a key over their head as a bar went around by their ankles and they had to jump over the bar as it came around ... and it rained on them and so forth. That one lasted a longgggg time.

It's still cheating and BB may not have caught it at the time. We also had the pic of Nat holding onto the rope and not the key...BB was lax with *sigh* her.

When it comes to competitions, I believe in 'Whatever isn't forbidden is allowed'. It's the job of the design team and supervisors to make sure they forbid things -- on the spot if necessary. Until someone told her it was out of bounds, she was fine. (And she might have been told during one of the feed downtimes, triggering the blackout.)

And looked at another way: if Jordan had somehow come up with it...

...and I just went too far.

LAST EDITED ON 09-11-09 AT 08:50 AM (EST)

Very reluctantly I have to agree.

You have to give props to Gnat for her opportunistic game play too. According to what we see, there isn't a moment where she isn't trying to further her game, even on the log she was trying to influence Jordan "in case Jordan wins, maybe she'll vote to keep me".

And seeking out gray areas in the rule book is what competition is all about.

Gnat is such an appropriate name for her. Little weasel would work too.

I don't want her to win, and I hope Kevin suddenly gets a stiffy in his spine.

ETA: I hope he gets a stiffy in his ear if he wins and takes Gnat to F2.

LAST EDITED ON 09-10-09 AT 07:17 PM (EST)

and the feeds are back up again!

Indoor Lockdown.

All 4 feeds are on Kevin, who's in a Black vest, red shirt with black tie, and black pants. He appears to be packing his stuff for the live show. (Took you long enough...... if that's the case.)

No sign of either of the girls........

Just heard Jordan, who asked about when the last day is, and Kevin did say Tuesday.......

Natalie just appeared in the Red Room, and she's putting the pressure on Kevin about picking her....... Natalie's in a dark brown shirt, and tan pants........

Is it possible that they've already had Part 2, and Jordan won it?

Jordan has on a similar outfit to Natalie's although Jordan's is dark blue/blue jeans........

Jordan's worried about walking out of the house, looking like a bum........

Kevin just had a whisper conversation with Jordan about him taking her if he's the Final HoH..... and he promised on his boyf, etc..............

Is it possible that Kevin now doesn't want to win Final HoH, so that he doesn't have to stab someone?

Vince, that wouldn't surprise me a bit. Kevin has been handed a great opportunity to delete gnat and come out smelling like a rose. If he can (in his paranoia) believe that Jordan would choose him to go to F2 then I think he's going to hand it to her. I think he thinks he can beat Jordan in jury votes. Will he be able to throw it without being obvious?

Coolest Siggie Ever thx Tribe! 2008

And if Jordon promises him she'd take him, can he trust her to do so?
After all, he promised Jeff he would not put him on the block.
He promised!

Will he be able to throw it without being obvious?

Kevin wasn't allowed to watch Round 2 so, one assumes, Natalie probably won't be allowed to watch round 3.

Kevin and Nat could discuss things quite openly during the challenge and not have to worry about making anything 'look good' for Natalie.

No. If it plays out like the past couple of years, Natalie will be sitting at the table facing away from both of them. Also, there will be a dividing partition between Kevin and Jordan, so if they try to converse during the challenge, even the Chenbot should be able to pick it up, and she'd probably comment on it, probably to put a stop to it.........

... kept in the house during Round 2?

I think they had everyone sequestered into different rooms during that thing...... other than that, dunno.

Last night on the live feeds Nat was talking about the OTEV comp and how she was shouting for Kevin to look in a certain place for Laura's name and how "Mike" was yelling at her to "stop it, Nat". From the way she imitated him, it sounded like he was really angry with her. She was worried that she would get Kevin ousted from the game. Then she puts on the innocent act and said she tried to say how she was just making noises.

I'm guessing that production is as tired of Nat as we are and did not want Kevin in any way, shape, or form to help her in the part 2 comp. That's after we saw her holding onto the rope and not the key in part 1, of course.

Feeds have been down since practically the end of the show, and a brief glimpse finally shows us why: They've received a celebration dinner........ probably to get some stuff for the clip show......

And from what other feed sights are saying, very prompted stuff for the clip show and finale flashbacks.

Natch. They seem to do that for the celebration dinner......

gNat still ragging on Michele.

Fri 6:20 PM BBT Nat badmouthing Mich again, in front of Jordan. Kevin tells her to stop it. NT - cindytexas

Does it count as a DOR if they toss you through the front door.

Why does she thinking ragging on Michele will get either of them to take her to the final 2?

>gNat still ragging on Michele.
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>Fri 6:20 PM BBT Nat badmouthing
>Mich again, in front of
>Jordan. Kevin tells her to
>stop it. NT - cindytexas
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>Does it count as a DOR
>if they toss you through
>the front door.
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>Why does she thinking ragging on
>Michele will get either of
>them to take her to
>the final 2?

The dumbest thing is Nat has kissed any cahase of getting Michelle's vote in the finale. IF Nat does win and that's a big IF....it would be close and needs all the votes she can get.

Fri 10:14 PM BBT N says she remembers seeing April & says UGH that biotch got picked over me. NT - MMNW1

Maybe she'll get so turned around her her lies she'll be like Jordan trying to tell time.

Asking someone who can't tell time to figure out how old another person is supposed to be sounds like a lost cause. Jordan's the last one who doesn't suspect -- and the last one incapable of suspecting.

Natalie vs. April in a beyotch-off? The funeral homes win.

Last night Nat/Kev/Jordan were talking about flying on airplanes and Nat talked about how "two years ago she and her boyfriend flew to Boston" and from the look on Jordan's face you could tell she was thinking that was quite a bit that Nat was flying to Boston at age 16 w/her BF. But Jordan didn't say anything. I think one of Jordan's strengths is to keep her thoughts to (mostly) herself vis a vis the other players, until they are gone, that is. Mostly because she did discuss people with her alliance.

Because watching three hamsters sleep for days on end because there is nothing to do is going to get so many more people watching the feeds than just two hamsters sleeping for days on end.

At least with the old format there was the fun of seeing just how upset/devestated they were by the jury questions and trying to guess who took the double shot of bitter potion over at the jury house.

Yes, they botched some things with this new arrangement--like the pleasure of seeing Nat not make the F2 and then the other two wondering what she's doing to them in the jury house;

or Jordan going to the jury house and seeing Jeff (or would she just have been sequestered in a hotel? This year's jury house is so close that she could have gone to the house).

I think we're going to get short shrift on the jury questions because are they now going to question all 3 or will they do the part 3 HOH first, then eliminate one person and then have the jury q's for just the F2? In any event, not a lot of time. I was hoping BB would finally show all the good stuff from the season and make people answer to it! Like Nat not taking showers, even when she was a Have.

If Jordan had been gone at F3, we know the jury all knows about Nat being 24 so someone (probably Lydia) would have roasted Nat about the age lie...and then Jordan would have known, too. Kevin would learn from that that the jury does not like Nat.

So, if the jury questions all 3, Kevin will learn that Nat is disliked by the jury and if he gets to choose who to take to F2 then he'll chose to take Nat--so Jordan could get screwed by this new arrangement.

As it is, Kevin is paranoid that Nat has a lot of friends and votes on the jury and thinks he would be better going F2 with Jordan.

They've got 2 hours on Tuesday, so they'll have some more time for the new Finale Night stuff........

As I understand it from Chenbot's mouth on Thursday:

Final HoH, Part 3
Final Eviction Ceremony
Evicted meets Chenbot, then joins the Jury
Jury Grilling F2
Jury Votes
Vote Reveal, including America/Chima's
Hamster winning $500k

Somewhere in between will be Chenbot talking to the Non-Jury and Chenbot talking to the Jury (With or without Juror #6....)

What Vince said, definitely not going to jury questions until after last eviction.

Somewhere (would have to be before the eviction) they should show Michelle's arrival at the jury house with the last tape, and the jury response. At least I hope they show it. They usually show the jury talking at the end, and this'll be the last chance.

Sometimes they bring back the early evictees to tell the jury what they didn't know, after the vote and before the reveal.

We never saw Jeff's goodbye messages.

Wonder if we'll see the goodbye messages to the one who is evicted on Tuesday.

If it is Jordan, wonder if the jury will blurt out immediately as Jordan takes her seat "Natalie is 24!".

It would be more fun if someone in the live audience tells her.

"gNat lies! She's 24!"

Wrong place.

Wrong time.

Wrong rules.

Missed the target.

Will now lie about having pulled it off anyway.

Just because you have a special bracelet that let's you swoop in any RTVW forum you choose without any questions...

...about how the fans have felt about this season:

LAST EDITED ON 09-16-09 AT 05:37 AM (EST)

Just an update from the HGs:

Nat had claimed ownership of Kevin's hoodie given to him by his boyfriend. He has asked for it back since last night and she has refused. About 1:30 p.m. PST today, he reclaimed it and put it in his suitcase. However, Nat stole it back around 2, and now Kevin is looking for it again. Some posters at TVC have vowed to follow this last -gate to its bitter end.

ETA: The bitter end is that Kevin finally gave in to Nat and let her keep the hoodie. I'm so disappointed in him. Thus ends the debacle that was BB11.