LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 09:08 AM (EST)

I didn't. I thought he seemed genuinely impressed. And I thought it was nice of the editors to include that, and that it makes Michele seem like a good guy, and maybe their choice for F2 material.

Except for the hilariously ignorant things she says, Jordan is getting good edit also. But as cute and sweetly chaste (poor Jeff) a southern belle as she is, Jordan has to go. I can't envision a scenario (maybe Gnat and/or Kevin do a little damage before they are both booted?) for that right now, but it has to happen.

gNat and Kevin know that Jordumb is no threat. They want her as the third in their final three. Their plan is to get Russell this week (or, instead, to have Jeff get him), boot Jeff next week and, with luck, boot Michelle the week after that. Then they'll have their dream final 3 ... and there's really no chance that Jordumb will win HoH over them in the final 3.

As far as Jeff and Michele, all he's focused on is that she doesn't make much money, so in his view she can't be that smart. He'll get another view of that when he walks into the jury house next week without even making final 4, having blown the best position of power that any houseguest ever has blown.

With 5 left (next week) Gnat and Kevin very well might nom JJ if they get HoH (and aren't booted this week).

They could see the two vote bloc of JJ as being the biggest threat to either of them getting to F2. Putting them both up at the same time would mean they couldn't vote, and with four remaining the following week, this could scare them into looking at booting J or J.

Michele could see Jeff as the better F2 partner and vote to boot Jordan. And if there is one/one tie, it would depend on the whim of the HoH. And who knows?

Basically I agree though, it seems unlikely at this point that they would focus on Jordan. especially if Russell's in the house. And Gnat would just dearly love to boot Jeff if she could.

Actually, gNat and Kevin have the whole plan worked out. If either of them win HoH, they'll nominate Michele and Jeff and tell Jeff that they really want to get Michele. All their focus will be on getting Michele ... until the vote. If Jeff wins veto, they'll nominate Jordan as a replacement and boot Michele. Otherwise, they'll boot Jeff. They have also discussed trying to talk Jeff out of using the veto (if he wins it) so that Jordan doesn't get nervous by being nominated.

Kevin doesn't think Jeff is that dumb. But gNat says she can see Jeff doing it to keep Jordan in a good mood.

Neither has any interest in nominating Jordan. The whole point is to mislead Jeff into thinking that they are on his side, and nominating Jordan doesn't help that.

If Jeff wins veto, they'll nominate Jordan as a replacement and boot Michele.

Unless it is Jordan that wins veto and removes Jeff. Then it becomes gNat or Kevin on the block with Michelle and J/J controlling the vote.

AKA 'The Last Hope Of The Stupid'.

And since this move hasn't raised their collective IQ of 2 any, JeJo would immediately try to vote out Michelle.

Unfortunately, I think you may be right. If they did that, they would retire the prize for the stupidest ever to play BB. Marcellas would be pleased, at least.

Jordin? Chaste? She keeps discussing her sex life with her former BF with other house guests in front of Jeff, discussing BJ's and asking Kevin about gay sex. I'm surprised the guys on this board haven't been calling her a ----- tease.

... to letting her towel slip in front of the cameras.

There's full frontal vid-caps of her out there and she should sue her plastic surgeon cuz her bolt-ons look like... bolt-ons.

I hadn’t heard that (don’t get the feeds). I just saw the part where she wouldn't do any more than kiss a little and maybe cuddle with Jeff if he took her to Hawaii, yet she acted upset that he wouldn’t take her on those terms. If I were Jeff I’d rather go alone than go with someone who drew that kind of line in the sand. I mean, going with someone to explore a relationship doesn’t mean there have to be any promises of sex, but there doesn’t have to be a promise of no sex, either.

I get the impression that she is just very naïve (her having implants has shaken that view a little). She doesn't seem to have much exposure to cultures outside her Charlotte environs.

Prick tease, thy name is Jordan.

Let's just say that from her conversations with other house guests...she is not sexually naive.

Worldly, though, is a descriptor that does not apply to Jordan.

Tell me guys, if you were crushed out on a girl, and were sleeping with her/cuddling with her every night, with no sex and barely a kiss, would it be sexually frustrating to hear her talk about her sexual escapades with her first boyfriend?

BB is painting the "good girl" picture for Jordan...and in some ways she is being a "good girl". I just thought it was a lot for a "family show" on at 8 pm to have Jordan saying "I'm not a ho" and "men think with their penises". I can just imagine one of my young nephews asking my sister-in-law -- mommy, what does that mean?

BTW, even if you don't get feeds, you can get pretty good recaps with pics at BBdish (they even recount some conversations) and detailed info at Jokers updates.

What time do they usually do the POV Ceremony?

It's usually in the afternoon BB time, so that means after 3 PM EDT today.

The actual time can vary, though.

Jeff's plan is to pull off Kevin, because he thinks Kevin is more likely to win next HoH and so will more likely be loyal if he's not nominated. Dumb, but about the best we're going to get out of Jeff.

Russell, however, has no illusions. He knows that if Jeff pulls off either of his noms, that he's being backdoored. Since Michele can't afford to vote against Jeff, it will be 3-0.

I am a Jeff/ Jordan fan, I want them to go to the F2 but if they go through with this I seriously hope that he goes up and is evicted next week.

LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 01:49 PM (EST)

... Russell getting the backdoor treatment.

J/J were in the HoH discussing how Kevin was coming off the block and they were even fabricating some sort of story about randomly picking playing cards to choose between Natalie and Kevin to come off.

They're working on some pretty fine details for this just to idle discussion of possible options.

Looks like Great Festival of Dumb is about to commence.

Edited to add (from Jokers) the following private convo currently underway between Nat and Kevin:

10:41 AM BBT Nat saying, "If I win HoH next week, under no circumstances is Jeff safe."
10:41 AM BBT Kevin says (to himself) "Please Jeff, don't think this one through."

I agree that Jeff is dumb for not thinking jury votes, but at this point, everyone but Jordan would put Jeff up next week, so he really needs to be thinking jury and who would be easier to beat in the competitions going forward.

It doesn't really matter what Jeff does at this point, he is the target of both sides.

... Jeff isn't using the same logic.

Jeff actually trusts Nat and Kev and that's the core element of the stupidity.

Even if Mich and Russell are targeting Jeff, there is one thing that moderates that desire: the need to give priority to removing the two people that none of J/J/R/M can beat.

There is a logical reason to keep Russ and Mich so trust shouldn't even be a consideration at this point.

LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 10:12 PM (EST)

Jeff doesn't have any solution that's 100% safe. His danger week is next week, and Russell could win HoH and backdoor him. But he's just guaranteed that he has no possible way of winning the $500,000. Under only one scenario does he win from here in, because he has to face a jury with potential votes from Jessie, Lydia, gNat, Kevin, Russell and Michele. The only scenario under which he wins is in a matchup with Michele, where she wins last HoH. He'd get all the votes except for Russell in that case.

Other than that, he has no chance of winning. In fact, unless Michele or Jordan win next HoH, he's gone, and he'll get to have his jury house face-off with Russell from a position of abject stupidity.

If Michele wins HoH, she'll nominate gNat and Kevin and Jeff is safe for a week; Lord only knows who Jordan will nominate (not Jeff, though), but it's not very likely that she'll win.

Edited to add: If gNat wins HoH, remember that she would not have been there except that Jeff himself chose to keep her over Lydia and made voting for Lydia's exit a test of loyalty within his group (loyalty that he didn't reciprocate). To quote another old saying, what goes around comes around.

If he had voted out gNat last week and Kevin this week, he would indeed have to worry about being backdoored by Russell next week if Russell didn't stick to the plan to boot Lydia. But his actions have now created an almost CERTAIN exit for Jeff should gNat or Kevin win HoH.

Seriously, Jeff is really that dense that he can't see Jessie- Lydia already in the jury house won't vote for him or Jordan over Nat- Kevin.

If he breaks his word to Russ that's 3 votes against him. Does he really think Nat or Kevin would support him over each other.

Michelle or Russ need to gather the dense pair set them down and walk through what happens should he backdoor Russ.

Even if he really does believe and maybe even likes Kevin and Nat more than Russ/Michelle. Kevin and Nat have to go PERIOD.... He nor Jordan,Russ or Michelle would stand a chance against Nat/Kevin of winning a vote at the jury house....

Come on he has to see it. It's not that hard to see. Right?

I don't think Jeff is thinking about the jury votes...I think he is just trying to get to F2.

He has fallen into the thinking:

--Nat and Kevin won't win HOH or that he can beat them at the POV, even tho Kevin has won a POV b4 and has come very close at winning HOH's numerous times.

--Nat isn't any good at comps instead of that she has been throwing them

--that Nat and Kev wouldn't lie to him and Jordin. This last one is the most laughable!

Well, Natalie hasn't won any HOH or POV competitions! If you were in the Big Brother house, it might be easy to think that she wasn't that good! I hope that Jeff doesn't really believe that Natalie & Kevin would lie to him & Jordan -- though I could believe Jordan would think such a thing! As for Kevin, I believe Jeff's thinking that either Jordan or Michele could beat Kevin in the next HOH competition. He might be right.

Michele was collateral damage in the backstab at the POV Ceremony Corral........ if Russell's gone, she lost her F2 partner......

She's now an angry swing vote........ and the venom's aimed at Jeff, probably.

If she wins HoH, she might put up one of each pair, and tell them: You fight it out! The only then that there might be both halves of a pair then is if the non-nomineed half vetoed their pair-mate...... then she's forced to nominate the last possible choice......

I doubt that Michele is a swing vote. She knows that Kevin and gNat want to get her, so she'll focus on getting them were she to win HoH next week.

She doesn't know about Jeff, and so (unlike Jeff) she'll make the smart play. Her deal with Jeff was final three with Jeff and Jordan, and she'll stick to it (even though she thinks Jeff just made a mistake).

For now, at least.

From BBdish: "Russell is still coaching Natalie. Natalie pretty much says she has not really been trying at comps. She tried on the POVs when she was up."

Anyone who's watched BB just knows that not everyone tries hard on those comps! Jeff should not have assumed.

Worse Big Brother Ever

Jeff WAS playing smart, with America giving him the coupe to put up jessie, but this. How many steps back did this put you. What were you thinking. Makes me not want to watch anymore. I hope the producers step in and do something.

>I hope the producers step in
>and do something.

Other than brain transplants for Dumb and Dumber, I don't know what the producers could do.

And the ratings aren't necessarily shot. I think a lot of people would like to see Jeff get booted next week. I know I would.

Given the loving care with which he's attached the giant KICK ME! sign to his own back, it would be a shame not to honor his request.

LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 06:44 PM (EST)

... to the next few episodes.

I want Natalie to win next HoH and send Jeff to the...

Big Brother Main Event...

Russell "The Love Muscle" Kairouz
vs
Jeff "The Tactician" Schroeder

It's Fury in the Jury!

Russell should dust off Muhammed Ali's famous 'Rope a Dope' for this one... with a slight modification - use real rope.

Hang 'im high.

>Worse Big Brother Ever
>
>Jeff WAS playing smart, with America
>giving him the coupe to
>put up jessie, but this.
>How many steps back did
>this put you. What were
>you thinking. Makes me not
>want to watch anymore. I
>hope the producers step in
>and do something.

Jeff has blown his chances of the biggest prize unless he could make it to the F2 with Michelle. Otherwise, he can't beat anyone else with the Jury. It was still better for him to remove Jesse inspite of what he has done lately. America wanted Jesse out and Jeff to succeed. However, Jeff is now self-destructing and Jordan probably doesn't have enough on the ball to survive on her own. Don't be surprised to see Kevin or Natilie win it all or end up in the F2.

Welcome to the boards, No Reality!

Thanks Zazzy.

>Jordan probably doesn't have enough on the ball
>to survive on her own.

It amazes me that she hasn't been eaten by a hungry animal already. She's prey, pure and simple.

>Don't be surprised to see Kevin or Natalie win it
>all or end up in the F2.

Honestly, it all depends on the next HoH. gNat thinks she's going to win it. If she does, I wouldn't be surprised to see both Kevin and gNat in the F2.

The new CBS promo is trying to prepare the audience for that, making Kevin and Gnat the underdogs facing a powerful alliance of 4.

I just want to throw up!

This is a forest.

This is a very large group of trees that just happen to be really close to each other.

And Jeff? Sees a place to carve his name right next to Jordan's inside a heart -- then doesn't understand why the park ranger is arresting him.

Jeff bloody did it.

Jeff used the POV on Kevin and put Russell on the backdoor express.

Needless to say, once the feeds returned, Hamster War whatever # is next was ON! This one included threats of violence in the jury house between the two of them, because Russell's sure that Jeff won't be too long behind him (and he's probably right...)

Jeff now has only one (possibly guaranteed) chance to be safe next week: Jordan winning HoH.

Unless Michele can somehow convince either Kevin/Jordan that Russell would be a better choice to stick around, especially against Jeff's gameplay insanity, Russell's probably gone 3-0...... With Michele seething for revenge......

take a deep breath
prepare for the worst
the stupidest man
in the un-i-verse

Whatever happens from this point on, he brought it upon himself -- and I will have no bloody sympathy whatsoever. Idiot.

Anyone who's that bad at counting jury votes doesn't even deserve to be on the thing. Let him quit in frustration before his inevitable eviction: I'd love to see what happens when America controls two keys...

Bad move Jeff. You rather believe and keep those other 2. He is so stupid. He just lost the game. Unless Jordan votes Nat out Russell is gone.

He should of waited another week. Hw beleived the QUIET one.

Hip-Hip-Hooray!! I'm so glad he used it. Russell is a jerk and michelle is so squirrely she makes me nervous. Despite all the needless lies and being drunk with lite-beer power, I hope Natalie or Kevin wins. At least they played the game and if Jeff and Jordan or to stupid to see beyond their noses all I can say is ...BWAHHHHHHH!!! You know what they say, "stupid people die in stupid ways"...that applies to BB too. If you're stupid, you will be evicted based on something stupid.

"America, you just saw that the LML (Last Minute Lie) was a success!"

Well, I liked it better. gNat to Kevin:

"You need to thank God.. If <Jeff> had a brain, he'd've let you win POV. This will be HUGE for you and I... Probably game saving for you and I, and game ending for Jeff."

She's right. The dumbest thing is that Jeff thinks he's safe from gNat and Kevin.

Stupid is as stupid does. Jeff is stupid.

LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 06:45 PM (EST)

... Hey, this don't taste like no chocolate!

Mama says they was magic shoes. They could take me anywhere. Like straight to the jury house.

If Gnat/Kevin do win HoH and nominate Jeff I can see his sad reaction going along the lines of, "You talked about honor and you stabbed me in the back/threw me under the bus."

But somehow Gnat will spin it so she never lied, I think she's that icky

Michele realizes (accurately) that Jeff has set her up as gNat and Kevin's target next week. Now the coldness from Jordumb and Jordumb's buddy-buddy with gNat finally makes sense to her. She realizes that, if she doesn't win HoH, it's Jeff's intent that she's gone (but little does she know about the impending double-cross by gN/K).

Russell asks her if she thinks it will do any good for him to talk to Kevin and see if they can flip him. She tells him (correctly) no.

I think we can safely say that Jeff has lost Michele's vote in the jury house as well as Russell's. He's got to be a contender for "Dumbest BB Move Ever."

Russell needs to remain calm talk with Michelle and then approach Jeff-Jordan and lead them step by step through why this is such a bad move for them.

Use crayons if needed. Trust should be a NON ISSUE at this point in the game. It's a game of numbers and who you can beat in the jury house period.

Once Jessie- Lydia went to the jury house the whole backdoor Russ-Michelle-Jordan or Jeff train had left the station.

I just hope Michelle/Russ can compose themselves enough to lead the dimwits back to the correct path.

Actually, both Russell & Michele's only hope is back up a few posts: they need to sit Dumb & Dumber (not even sure at this point which is which, but leaning towards Jeff being dumber) down and rationally explain to them that neither have a snowballs chance in he** of winning unless one of them wins either HOH or POV every week from here out and they take each other to the final two. Because they would never get Jessie's and Lydia's jury votes over Kevin or Natalie and they have just thrown away their (Russell's & Michele's) two jury votes by not honoring the F4 agreement. Then all that's needed is Dumb and Michele to vote to evict Natalie. It probably would never work though because it requires Dumb & Dumber to have rational thought. <Sigh> Guess I'll be rooting for Kevin now, or not watching at all.

It probably would never work though because it requires Dumb & Dumber to have rational thought.

Right: never count on any BB plan which requires someone to have one firing neuron. At this point, I don't know what Jeff's running on, but brainpower isn't it. I'd love to see him sit down in front of the camera and seriously discuss his plans for the endgame -- somewhere in his mostly-empty head are the made-up reasons why the jury's going to vote for him over anyone else, and that footage could be the funniest segment in series history. 'Russell will respect my mad fighting skillz!'

Welcome to the boards, Cinderella, and Curt!

Having figured out where she stands, Michele joins Dumb and Dumber in Russell-bashing. Jeff tells her that he couldn't trust Russell and she agrees.

Jeff says to her that he's sure this week will be endurance and that Jordan/Michele need to outlast Kevin/gNat.

No mention of Jeff's rant to Jordumb from earlier when, after Jordumb told him that Michele was lobbying to take out Kevin, Jeff decided to take Kevin off the block because he didn't trust Michele -- so we have no idea how sincere he is.

gNat tells Kevin that Michelle must be stupid for sticking with Jeff/Jordan as the third person in that group.

Stupid move? Yeah, but honestly do people really think Jeff had a real chance of making it to the end had he stuck to the plan?

Had he booted K/N this week as planned, he still would have been the target next week, and most likely been the target til the end. But, with this move, even if he did win every challenge from here to the end he killed his chances with the jury. His chances were always slim, now they're really slim.

So?

Moving on.

Russell goes this week, and Jeff goes next. (most likely) However, I disagree that GNat and Kevin should want each other in the final 2. They need to go against one of the dumbos, Michelle included, to seal the victory. If they face each other, it could go either way. GNat will soon realize that Kevin is now her biggest threat, but how will she dump him and keep his jury vote? Or, will Kevin step up and throw GNat under the BB Bus?

Jeff's dumbass move makes the game much more interesting from here on out. Way to go Jeff!

I hadn't wanted to speculate on this, because I hope it doesn't come to pass. But...

If the final four are gNat, Kevin, Michele and Jordan (as appears likely), ratings will plummet. But the gameplay will be 2-against-2. If gN/K win HoH, Michele is gone unless she gets POV. If J/M win HoH, Kevin is probably gone unless he gets POV.

In the final 2 scenarios:
1) gN/K/M or J -- gN or K votes out his or her partner, under the logic that all of his or her alliance will vote for him or her for the sure victory (and the partner will undersatand, having been planning to do the same thing). Neither has any reason to want to face the other one in the final 2. M or J votes out one or the other of gN or K but still loses in the exact same scenario. At least M has a chance of getting Russell's vote and forcing a 3-3 tie to America's vote, but J does not. However, just to get here, M needs to win F4 POV followed by F3 HoH.

2)M/J/K or gN --Michele and Jordan will carry each other to the final two, knowing that neither could beat K or gN. K or gN will carry J, for the reason that she has no chance of getting Russell's vote and thus must lose.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-09 AT 08:59 AM (EST)

Do you see any Jordan victory scenarios here? So far, the only one I've got is partially Rattie's fault: enough long-term hate seeds planted for at least three people to vote against Michelle, followed by the South voting in self-repeating droves.

As reality wins go, that would stand a chance at being the literal all-time no-brainer.

Jordan can only win in a Jordan/Michele F2, She'll get gNat's and Lydia's votes, because gNat and Lydia hate Michele as much as they hate Jeff. She'll probably get Jeff's vote (because I think, after the fashion of the truly stupid, that he'll blame Michele for making him susceptible to the LML, not himself for believing it). Thus, she needs a fourth from Jessie or Kevin or from America.

Those votes depend on how HoH plays out.

Note, BTW, that Lydia has no reason not to talk about the LML at the jury house. And, since we're talking about Lydia, I have little doubt that Russell will know all about it within 24 hours of arrival there, and Jeff will find out from Russell as soon as he gets there. Russell may even find out about the Green Room lie while there.

I have a feeling that we could have a very interesting jury session as a result, no matter what happens with the F2.

If Jordan wins next HoH (admittedly a very long shot), and/or Jeff wins next week's POV (he is becoming a challenge favorite), and if by then Jeff get's the real picture courtesy of Kevin/Gnat overplaying their hand (not impossible for a BB genius to do), then a boot (straight nom, or backdoor) of Kevin or Gnat could happen. That might set the stage (with a couple more improbable wins) for an F2 of JJ.

Jordan would win that. At least 1/2 of America's Choice votes (thanks to the bath scenes) would go her way.

You wanted a scenario...you didn't say it had to be a good one.

Ratings will plummet? Are Jeff/Russell really that popular? I don't think either of them were going to make it much further either way, and the feeds always get really dull as the numbers dwindle.

At least with Russell gone, the pick-off stops and some game actually takes place. Are the remaining players likeable? No, but I don't think Jeff or Russell are all that great, in fact, this whole cast was just.plain.dull. Personally, I find Kevin more entertaining/amusing than I find stoopid Jeff, or dumb Jordan. They're cute, but good gawd, they're dense. The others aren't much smarter. Russell and Michell couldn't charm/talk their way out of a paper bag. Did Russell really tell Jeff to his face that he wants him out at final 4? What an idiot. Michelle has proven to be socially stunted from the beginning. She may be a brain, but Jessie had more social skills, and that's not saying much.

Kevin seems to be the only one who is thinking clearly, and while GNat is devious, she is just too annoying to root for.

>Ratings will plummet? Are Jeff/Russell really that popular?

I think it's more that the showmance of J/J was that popular, and nobody wants to see gNat win. Except gNat, of course.

> I don't think either of them were going to make it
>much further either way

Russell certainly wasn't. But Jeff's popularity was through the roof when his side turned the tables and started winning; My pick for final 4 was J/J/M and Kevin. I personally thought Jeff was the likely winner, before his poor game play diminished his chances to their current subterranean level.

>and the feeds always get really dull as the numbers dwindle.

They didn't in BBAS. Remember all the scheming in the final four of Dr. Will, Mike Boogie, Janelle and Erika, especially when Janelle realized that she was getting played by Will?

I don't think there will ever be a season that can live up to BBAS final four. *sigh

At this point, I'll settle for this season not living down to BB6's final one.

Patiently waiting for the moment when Natalie admits to killing someone.

They will start showing the jury house at some point and make it more of the show if the rest of the show is getting boring. That will keep the viewer's attention.

Yeah, I actually like the idea of watching Russell and Lydia telling Jeff about the LML in the jury house.

'That never happened! You're just trying to trick me into voting for Natalie! She would have told me if she'd had to lie to me to save her own skin! Because she's just that honest!'

You're probably right.

But gNat says that Jessie told her that you weren't allowed to talk game in the jury house. If that's right, then Dumb and Dumber won't find out about the LML until after they vote.

They'll probably vote for gNat to win.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-09 AT 08:56 AM (EST)

Kevin set up Dumb and Dumber by telling them nasty Michele stories last night, and Dumb and Dumber took the bait hook, line and sinker.

Back in the HoH room, Jeff went on a HUGE psycho rampage about Michele and basically said that he hates everything about her. He basically turned on her completely during his rant and said that he'd like her to go home ASAP after Russell, telling Jordan that they need to be nice to her this week so she could protect them if she wins HoH, and then they'd send her home next week. He went on and on trashing Michele and Russell long into the night, with Jordumb's help. Jordumb told him that all of Michele's quirks are nervous tics because she's always lying.

Now that he has power, Jeff is turning into one of the least likable houseguests ever. Maybe he can hang out with Evel Dick when this is over, because I can't imagine that many other people will want to be around this living bundle of misplaced paranoia.

If anyone out there is still on Team Jeff or thinks that Jeff and Jordan are a cute couple, please come to your senses. It's not that they're booting Russell, because at some point they needed to do that before Russell did it to them. Instead, it's that they are every bit as nasty and spiteful as Chima and Ronnie -- and they're doing it at the end of the game. Like I said yesterday, it will be fun to watch Jeff march out the front door with gNat and Kevin's knives in his back.

Basically it comes down to this, from when they had the wake for Jessie: pot ------> kettle

For me, it breaks down like this:

I hate both Jeff and Jordan because they're not only dumb, they're willfully ignorant -- and Jordan's proud of it. (It's not cheating, it's confirming her answers.) They're also low-scale bigots who happily throw around slurs and don't understand why anyone would ever be offended: bonus points!

I hate Kevin because I've hated Kevin since Day One and since nothing about him has changed in any way, I'm hardly going to stop now.

I hate Natalie because -- well, see Post #50. But at least she's playing the best only way she knows how.

I dislike Russell because his lack of gameplay coupled with the emergence of his temper has made it difficult to accept him as a viable player. Plus he stopped changing his facial hair every five minutes.

I can tolerate Michele.

Michele has no chance to win.

I do think there has been a strong shift in favor of Michele in public opinion since Dumb and Dumber revealed their true colors. Telling the truth an sticking to your alliance seems to be bad BB strategy, but it's certainly led to a rehabilitation of her public image, despite all of the trashing that Ronnie tried to do to it.

The first thing that happened in this show that made me think it might not be awful was when Ronnie got booted. And it was pretty interesting until J/J turned into Chima/gNat Mark II.

You know, when Michele talked about her brother's death, I had no idea that it was so recent:

http://obits.nj.com/obituaries/starledger/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=125631505

I can understand that she needs the money, but it's a real shame that someone suffering through personal tragedy was put into a house with professional liars like gNat and Ronnie.

Note
If Jordan is to be Jordumb,
then Jeff is to be Jeffoon.

okay ~~~~ back to enjoying the speculations

Done. (I wish we had rep points just so I could give you two for that.) And if Russell's visible IQ drops any lower, let's start calling him Russet!

Its funny how so many posters talk about how dumb this one or that one is, but think about it. We all have FAAAAAAAAAAR more info to judge things on than the players in the house do. Everyone lies in there, it all depends who you think you can trust the most, and who you can't. I think Jeff made a smart move putting Russel up, he's easily one of the 2 biggest threats in there, Michelle being the other. He had to take one of them out before they did it to him. And as far as who will get which vote from the jury, I think past jury members have surprised me with how they vote, and even if they personally do not like someone, they have voted on gameplay on occasion. Jessie was pissed to have been booted the way he was, but he did admit it was a smart move on Jeff's part.

Jeff is stupid because he is even considering trust at this point in the game. There is a trust-independent logic-based argument to keep Russell that Jeff chose to ignore over his 'trust' argument for Nat and Kevin.

Jeff operated on trust instead of considering everyone an enemy and acting based upon the logical motivations of those enemies.

LAST EDITED ON 08-25-09 AT 01:59 PM (EST)

One of the things I found to be hilarious was that Jeff was trashing Russell to Kevin because Russell said to Jeff's face that he had other plans. Kevin, of course, just sat there silently, being thankful that Jeff prefers to be stabbed in the back without warning.

Edited to add: I also want to make sure that I agree with IceCat's point. Once you get down to final 8, trust can't be a factor. IN BBAS, Chilltown threw James and Danielle under the bus and sided with Janelle because George wouldn't backdoor her like Will wanted. But Jeff doesn't believe that two people who were his sworn enemies at the start of the game would do the same to him, even though he did it to Jessie.

For Jeff to believe that he and Jordan can trust gNat and Kevin earns him all of the brickbats he's been getting.

There have in fact been BB jury members who have (to varying degrees) put aside their petty hatreds and voted based on gameplay.

I will now start collecting bets on this jury having more than two.

Because I really want your money.

A Jeff vs Natalie final two with Jeff losing unanimously not even getting America's vote which Chenbot gleefully reads out. Even though it's not necessary she does it only for the pure grind-the-boot-heel-in-his-dopey-face satisfaction of doing it.

Deleted and reposted because the title was truncated and I really wanted to use the word 'schadenfreudgasmic'.