That would be worse for Jessie, but I feel for anyone that gets eliminated next week with either gNat or Lydia.

Whoever is in the house with Jessie and one of his girls is going to be hounded to death when the other one gets to the jury house.

I know they set up "restraining orders" in the BB house, do you think they can enforce them in the jury house?

LOL! I would love it if Lydia went to the house first so that Nat tries to get herself booted because she can't stand the idea of Lydia being with Jesse! (and if Nat goes first you know that Lydia will sacrifice herself, lol)

From Hooked at Jokers:

"Lydias new strategy - become a have not, take hot showers and sleep in the RR so she gets a penalty nom

She said last night she wouldn't sleep in the have-not room, let the producers put her up. She also said money is not an object for her so she should go up and be voted out. She really wants a week alone with Jessie."

I don't get the Jessie attraction - he is not good looking, he disrespects women and he is not intellegent.

And is it just me, but I think Jesse is gay. Not saying that as an insult, but he doesn't seem to be "into" women. All the talk about a showmance seems to come from the women hovering over him, and he doesn't reciprocate the attention or affection. He'll take a "hand out" from the girls, but not much else.

SOOOO agree on the Jessie being gay thing. I've said that to my wife since last season as well. As stated he just seems not to be into women at all. He is into himself more than anything.

I'm pretty certain he's been into Lydia this season.

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*hands over job application*

Fill that out when you get the chance.

Does that job application come with baby oil?

ROFL!

>I'm pretty certain he's been into
>Lydia this season.
>

I'm sure he's be INto both Lydia & Nat.

Maybe it's just me, but Jesse was much more endearing this season than last. I liked him, I thought his little Casey POV poem was quite cute (for a guy who sucks down protein 24/7), and I kinda think he's cute (and no, I'm def. not into muscle head d-bags). I'm surprised everyone bashes him more than Jordan's brillant self. I'm pretty sad that he's gone instead of the 3 others (Lydia, Russell, Nat). I mean honestly, if I see Lydia dry hump Michelle this week, I'm going to vomit.

Ok back to just reading...you guys crack me up

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Un i think your confused with Russell. I can't recall when Jesse was disrespected to women. At least this season.

using women to be at your beck and call, having thenm do your dirty work and fight your battles disrespects women. I grant you they allowed it (low self esteem) but that does not excuse him.

I think at this point, we have to start seriously questioning why Lydia went for hamster status in the first place. There are easier ways to make yourself into a quasi-national joke, and most of them pay better.

Lydia should ask her idol Heather Mills how to get into the big-money-hooker business. The British papers said that Ms. Mills was well-paid for such services by the international arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi.

Original story
Khashoggi confirms it

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Ultimate betrayal!

From Jokers live feeds updates--just a few min ago:

"Jeff walks in the RR to get a shirt and Chima goes, "I guess America likes voting for assholes. Its been proven time and time again." NT (1 min. ago) "

---then---

"Chima to Natalie in the RR "I can't believe that m'fer left his rosary in here. He's not even Catholic he's some extremist Muslim terrorist"

Bitter, much, Chima?

You beat me to it! She's awful. Just awful. And if Chima's grandmother wasn't exactly thrilled with her behavior before...

At this point, I think Chima's displaced. She's a VH1 romance contestant who wound up on the wrong network.

Hmm. So if we send her to Charm School, Jessie to the Tool Academy...

...Kevin on 1000 Ways To Die...

Chima's rant? Or will BB suppress it, in the interest of making her appear less evil?

Here's some of the dialogue, from another site:

http://bbdish.blogspot.com/2009/08/friday-afternoon-before-comp.html

Chima and Gnat in the Haves Room, as Lydia is in the bathroom:

Chima: I can't believe that motherf-cker <Russell> going on about his rosary... He's not even Catholic... He's some f-cking extremist Muslim terrorist.

Chima: By the way, Jeff was being a complete a-hole to you the past week... That's how I know he's a complete mysogenist.

Natalie: I've already got my speech all ready.

Chima: How bout you stop thinking about your eviction speech and start thinking about your nomination speech, for when you win HoH?

Natalie: I've got all of them ready.

Chima: I hope Michele remembers how much of an a-hole he is... and that he called her crazy over and over and over again. You know if I get one of my name tags, I'll go ahead and put it next to one of Jessie's....

Natalie: You know he's right there... He's waiting...

Chima: I know! I'm just enjoying myself in the meantime... I think America loves voting for a-holes... It's been proven time and time again... It's kinda like when Bush won twice in a row.

Natalie: You can hear them whispering...

Chima: Oh, I know... She just called me an a--hole.. She just called me a motherf-cker... You know what, Jeff? It's all true. People just don't like to be called out on their sh-t. I had a dream that Russell's leaving this week, and Jeff's leaving next week. I hope it's more of a premonition... If it comes down to me n you, I'm letting you have it.

Natalie: I gotta get through this weeek first.

Chima: You will.

And she probably will, as long as you don't.

At this point in the season, the question of anyone's edit starts to ask 'Do the producers think this person has a real chance to win?' Endemol loves to soften the perception of anyone with decent odds of taking the prize -- witness the dichotomy of Maggie-feeds vs. Maggie-network, or the slow, semi-subtle boosting of Adam as he advanced into the game.

Chima has been at least quasi-trashed on up regularly during the CBS broadcasts: the storylines have not been kind to her, and the DR may be worse. If she starts moving towards the upslope, it means someone in the control room is pushing/rigging her to stick around for a few weeks.

That's not a comforting theory.

LAST EDITED ON 08-14-09 AT 07:45 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 08-14-09 AT 07:34 PM (EST)

Jeff and Russell were discussing last night that people in the DR (especially a couple of them, whose names I do not remember) seem to hate Chima, but then the feed moved from them (that'll teach them for talking about production!) , so I'm not sure that her edit will improve -- but I'll still be surprised if they show just how bitter she is.

Today, Michele told Gnat that she was going to put Gnat up, but Gnat wasn't her real target. Gnat wanted to know if her target was Russell, Kevin or Lydia. Apparently Gnat's tiny brain couldn't grasp that it might be Chima. Then Michele told Chima that she and Gnat were the noms. Chima wanted to know why not Russell. Michele answered that she needed Russell's vote to not go home next week at the hands of the Bitter Trio.

Chima started on about how Russell could win Evel ##### fashion (no, because Jeff isn't burdened with being America's Player the way Eric was). Blah blah blah. Meanwhile Lydia did something to earn the wrath of the producers....

Michele answered that she needed Russell's vote to not go home next week at the hands of the Bitter Trio.

And let me guess: the logic immediately escaped Chima (by gnawing its own leg off) and she promptly went on a rant concerning how just because she hated Michele for putting her up and had every intention of seeking revenge didn't mean she hated Michele for putting her up and had every intention of seeking revenge.

That's pretty much correct.

Meanwhile, Gnat got a copy of the rule book, because she wanted to see if Michele broke a rule by telling her that she was going to be nominated prior to the ceremony.

You know, considering the headaches being caused by Gnat and Chima, it wouldn't surprise me if the HoH for the week-in-an-hour was "randomly" directed toward Jeff or Jordan winning.

Earlier, Kevin was trying to tell Gnat and Lydia that the other HGs -- and probably most of America -- didn't love Jessie the way that the Bitter Three did, and so they should keep that in mind and act accordingly. Unfortunately, none of the Bitter Three believed him.

I don't think she told Chima she was putting her up because Chima came away from the convo telling the witches that the other nom would be Kevin, Lydia or Russell. She did not fathom that the other nom would be her. Wonder when feeds will come back on? LOL. Scorched earth time?

Plus, Michelle told Nat that Nat was not the target and that she (Michelle) needed someone else to go home and she had the votes to do it this week.

POV will be more interesting than usual. If Nat wins, then she can take herself off but Lydia would probably go up because Michelle told Kev he wasn;t being nommed this week and Michelle made an F2 pact with Russell...and needs J/J to get there. So Chima still goes.

If Chima wins POV, then Nat goes - yeah!

The funny thing will be if Kev plays in the POV and wins again. Chima will want him to use it. LOL! That would mean that Lydia would go up! LOL again!

To be precise, Michele never actually told Gnat or Chima that she was putting either of them up. So when Gnat and Lydiot ran to the producers to complain about Michele's rules violation, they were told that Michele hadn't broken the rules.

Waaaah! Waaaah! Chima keeps talking about how tough she is, but all her group can do is pi$$ and moan about how they don't deserve to be down, because they're so tough.

No, Chima, tough people try to figure out a way to get even in the game. Like maybe being likeable instead of psychotic?

But Gnat and Lydiot are continuing to comb through the rules book hoping that they can find some other sneaky way to save their psycho a$$es. In fact, the three of them have internalized the High School clique model of the show, because the Bitter Trio (aka the Widows Godderz) are behaving like the Snobby B--ch Clique.

...your table is waiting.

You'd think Jessie was dead, from the reaction of his in-house fan club.

OMG...you are not kidding! I was watching the late night feeds and the three of them crying their eyes out about how ANYONE could boot someone so wonderful and has never done anything wrong in their life.

I just about threw up.

>"Jeff walks in the RR to get a shirt and Chima
>goes, "I guess America likes voting for assholes. Its been
>proven time and time again." NT (1 min. ago) "

I didn't know that Chima thought Barack Obama was an a$$hole. Guess you learn something every day.

Chima = Omarosa

Omarosa looks sane by comparison. Talk about playing into a stereotype.

Even though Michele said to Jordan last night that she knows she can't trust Russell, she realizes that she has to focus on getting rid of the Bitter Three.

Today, after the Have/Have Not competition, Russell said that he thinks the Bitter Three are trying to be deliberately offensive, hoping that Jeff or Russell will retaliate and get thrown out. After looking at Chima's speech from before the Have/Have Not, I'm sure he's right.

Russell tells Michelle why he voted against JJM at last night's evicition: he gave Jessie his word that he wouldn't vote to boot Jessie.

As if Jessie wouldn't have voted to boot him in a millisecond.

But then, Russell was never a member of the Brains clique.

was apparently day by day this week, and they are all on slop for a day, it sounds like.

Also they had a chance at 3 different luxuries, they won 2 of them, 1 of which was the grill!

They also got the medium-sized table today.

The Bitter 3 are planning are wearing some of Jessie's shirts for nominations.....

1 of which was the grill!

And now I wish Jessie was still in the cage.

You know the grill could take him.

Can we vote for the grill to win BB?

If it were America's Choice between the grill and the Bitter Trio, the grill would win in a walk.

What's the food situation in the kitchen like for slop-only days? Do the producers take out everything that isn't slop and then lock the pantry? If so, it'll make it just a little bit harder for Lydia to find a penalty-nomination-only action to take.

Michele might want to consider locking down her snacks. Or at least eating them in a hurry.

SUNDAY NIGHT - EATING- JUST CURIOUS

AFTER JESSIE LEFT AND EVERYONE WAS EATING , JORDAN AND RUSSELL WAS OUTSIDE WITH THEIR PLATES, DID JEFF SAID HE COULDN'T EAT? WAS HE STILL ON SLOP OR WAS HE SICK? WHY WAS HE NOT EATING CHINESE.

A day or two ago, Jeff was busted by Lydia drinking Gatorade while being a Have Not. As such, he was assessed an extra penalty day of being a Have Not Thursday night.........

Jeff wasn't allowed to eat until 9 o'clock today. He had planned to grill a steak on the new grill, because he's lost 20 pounds so far during the game and wanted a filling meal. But when 9 o'clock came, the house was in lockdown, and so he had to settle for eating leftover Chinese and leftover pizza (with Gnat and Lydiot watching him like hawks hoping that he'd start early and incur another penalty day).

Michele came down about 25 minutes later, but they were still in lockdown. Finally, after eating two plates of Chinese and two leftover pieces of pizza, Jeff said he was full. Almost as if by design, BB announced that the lockdown was now over.

When Kevin, Gnat, Lydiot and Michele went outside, they saw a giant miniature golf hole, with instructions to putt around the snail and hit the bowl placed behind it. No idea if this is the POV game.

It kinda has to be, unless they're going to have an extra contest this week.......

And sure enough, Lydia and Natalie had a discussion about the feasibility of stealing Michele's food.

Chima and Natalie. Let the reading of the rulebook continue apace. And apparently the third of the Widows Godderz ((c) AyaK) was horribly disappointed over getting her key.

Since the internal vote began, we've never had three nominees on the block. Lydia has a little under a week to change that.

Friday Night-Russel is grilling for J/J/M amd himself. Jeff can't eat. Not sure if his is mad/stomach or ?
C/L/N and Kevin watching the girls practice for tomorrows veto comp. Some kind of puttputt (sorry-typo). There was some kind of incident with hot sauce and their belongings, because the group J/J/R was saying to bring their stuff up to the HOH room. Not sure what the feeds are showing since I don't have it. I just turned on the TV and this is what I am seeing and hearing.

Hoq important were Ronnie and Jessie to the cohesion of their groupies? Now that both of them are gone, the answer is obvious: critical. Without them, Lydiot, Gnat and Chimad have reverted to ... something subhuman.

1 mike in the Hot Tub.......

Basically blocking everyone from using the Washer/Dryer other than herself........

Also, it sounds like the first attempts to grill came off without a problem, courtesy of Russell......

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-09 AT 06:19 AM (EST)

Couldn't handle being on the block, I guess. Fishes between 2-3 am BB time. When they came back, Chima was gone.

ETA: Oh, yeah. And it sounds like several producers, even Grodner herself, had to drag their arses out of bed at 2:30 am and drive to the BB house for a meeting. LOL

HG's aren't really talking about it (when they do, it cuts to fishes). The four (J/J, Russ, Mich) are living it up in the kitchen. Someone mentioned "legal department" and they cut to fishes.

Jeff said "And then there were seven."

I think Gnat and Lydia are licking their wounds in the hottub.

and by the (current) sounds of things, however she left also means that she's not on the Jury! They will have to have a replacement juror, and I get the feeling that Ronnie might be that one, since he has been out the least amount of time.......

The chill in the kitchen when one of the nerd herd walks through is wafting from the live feeds.

*puts on sweater*

Although they aren't really talking about it, it doesn't appear that she left well, i.e. voluntarily. The mic in the hot tub probably did it. Jokers ppl say that the mics are worth $5K according to former HG's.

Chima's epitaph: She proved that the measure of a "strong woman" is not how loud one shouts or how close one gets to one's enemies face or how vocally one shuts down ones opponent during an argument. It takes a lot more strength to practice self-control and restraint under hostile conditions than it does to go all batsh*t crazy on your opponent.
-- Frisky

Not to mention the strength to not call someone a terrorist and constantly accuse them of faking their beliefs -- because if Jokers is right, one of the last things she did on her way out was steal Russell's rosary.

...I'd say your odds just went way down.

The only person they can afford to twist back into the house (to keep the fake drama of week-in-an-hour intact) is Jessie: everyone else has had way too much exposure to the outside. Bringing anyone in for the jury is a risk, but this is a game like the WWE is a sport and ultimately, the producers won't care.

So much for my calling her as potentially being the toughest in the house based on her real survival experience. If you can't handle a stupid twist on BB, don't go into the cage. (Any chances of it being more than that have pretty much hit zero.) And this should make Lydia happy: Michele will have to name a replacement nominee, and guess who's the only viable candidate to play non-pawn?

I wish we had a play-by-play on what happened, but I'm guessing the feeds were blacked out for just about all of this -- and the last thing we can do is count on the Tuesday show. Plus Chima's access to the media may wind up at less than zero -- she's gone Nick: the producers won't give her any access to a public forum if they can possibly avoid it. In this case, they can.

Searching a couple of sites -- she threw her microphone in the hot tub, sequestered herself in the laundry room...

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-09 AT 07:47 AM (EST)

I knew the crazy was strong with that one, but dang.

I mean I figured with her background they made sure she wasn't PTSDing or any other major issues...oh wait.

This is BB I'm thinking of, they cast for mentally ill.

ET put the acronym in the right order

Calling JBug, Calling JBug

So who is out this week then Gnat? or will they take out Lydiot?

Post
Traumatic
Stress
Disorder

It isn't gender specific and I'd worry anyone that needed a couple of reconstructive surgeries after a run in with a serial killer should be screened for PTSD before being cast on a show designed to be stressful.

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-09 AT 08:04 AM (EST)

Jeff was speculating this morning that she seemed bipolar.

I don't think there's anything pathological going on. I think she just has a warped idea of what it means to be a Strong Woman. Of course, this could be compounded by her traumatic experience. She did make it clear when she told the HG's about the rape that she is NOT a victim, she is a survivor.

The house itself is a major stressor. Past hampsters have said that every emotion is amplified. Chima's friend said that she is very suspicious of men thinking they are superior to her. But she may not have ever exploded IRL before -- it seemed to be a whole different Chima to Gramma.

She also said she's on some meds that she's not supposed to have drinks with and that's why she got so drunk on the wine the night before last.

As for mental illness, don't forget that Nicole from BB2 spent the last three weeks of the season almost thoroughly sedated - thanks to Will.

I'd like to see Chima be interviewed by the rogue reporter who first interviewed Ronnie.

I think he/she would insist on doing it from inside a Bradley Armed Personnel carrier, but....

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-09 AT 11:44 AM (EST)

I'm with Snidget with regard to the possible PTSD and Chima. It's clear why production pre-recorded the twist eviction -- she really was capable of being that crazy.

When she was sitting on top of the dryer not moving last night around 11 BBT, BB told her to get a replacement mike. Kevin finally got it for her, and her first words into it were an obscene message for the producers. But they didn't show us what happened to the original mike.

She was in the bathroom around 10:45 BBT, just before going outside, so that must have been when she dunked her mike, and it just took until 1:45 or so to make sure that Legal and the producers approved her immediate removal.

Edited to add: Apparently the mike throwing was on camera 2 of the live feed but not on BBAD. Boo!

Edited again to add: Nope, it was on BBAD; I just didn't grasp what was happening. Little did I know it would be a game-changing event by breaking up the Widows Godderz.

>I'm with Snidget with regard to
>the possible PTSD and Chima.
> It's clear why production
>pre-recorded the twist eviction --
>she really was capable of
>being that crazy.
>
>When she was sitting on top
>of the dryer not moving
>last night around 11 BBT,
>BB told her to get
>a replacement mike. Kevin
>finally got it for her,
>and her first words into
>it were an obscene message
>for the producers. But
>they didn't show us what
>happened to the original mike.
>
>
>She was in the bathroom around
>10:45 BBT, just before going
>outside, so that must have
>been when she dunked her
>mike, and it just took
>until 1:45 or so to
>make sure that Legal and
>the producers approved her immediate
>removal.

Yeah that's not PTSD...that's Borderline.

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You may well be right. But I thought a personality meltdown after a traumatic event was also consistent with PTSD.

Anyway, I agree that she's clearly not bipolar. We never saw any signs of either hypomania or depression from her.

I'm not clear which particular issues are PTSD vs other disorders, but I thought that the kind of trauma we know she had would tend to cause problems worse than whatever underlying conditions they might have if life had always been easy and fine.

It may not be PTSD but I would be the rape and reconstructive surgery and the whole finding out he was a serial killer and the trial didn't make anything she had better. Trauma never seems to make anything better.

>I'm not clear which particular issues
>are PTSD vs other disorders,
>but I thought that the
>kind of trauma we know
>she had would tend to
>cause problems worse than whatever
>underlying conditions they might have
>if life had always been
>easy and fine.
>
>It may not be PTSD but
>I would be the rape
>and reconstructive surgery and the
>whole finding out he was
>a serial killer and the
>trial didn't make anything she
>had better. Trauma never
>seems to make anything better.
>

I agree. I can't imagine that she didn't have some underlying "crazy" previous to that!

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>Jeff was speculating this morning that
>she seemed bipolar.

UGH! Forgive my annoyance at the psychologically uneducated that think that someone who is affectively unstable automatically = bipolar disorder. Too many self diagnoses w/o knowing anything about psychology going on there.

If Chima's anything, she has features of Borderline Personality Disorder, which can manifest itself due to trauma. Like others said though, it's probably more PTSD.

Y'all said they screen them for psychological disorders? Are you sure? Because Jordan is d*mn near MR, Lydia has Dependent Personality Disorder, and Ronnie is Borderline...Not a very good screening if you ask me.

Resident Psychology Graduate Student OUT....

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Yep, there are a lot of mental disorders and it is hard enough for the professionals to sort it out. I do think most armchair psychologists (me included) tend to use one or two things we know about and dump everyone in that box.

Even if we can't pick which thing a person really has, I do think most people eventually pick up on when something is just way too off with someone.

I think bipolar does get the blame for a bunch of disorders, but that sense that "somethings not quite right" can be pretty good for some of the untrained.

At least for me on reality TV some of it boils down to is the person in control of the crazy (like various people who can go in and out of insane bully--or other crazy--mode and they know when they are in that mode and can chose to be out of it whenever they want) or if it really seems they don't know when they are being crazy and/or can't turn it off when it is in their own self interest. Now some people never are playing the game to win (they are there for the experience or to prove a point or some thing other than getting the cash) but that shows up more as not making the move that would get them farther in the game and not something like this where the producers have to show up and legal has to be called.

They screen for personality types that are likely to turn violent, ever since the knife incident. But I think BPD would actually be something that the producers would accept, because it increases the drama in the house. Look at all the attention that Ronnie and Chima have drawn from viewers for their antics.

>They screen for personality types that
>are likely to turn violent,
>ever since the knife incident.
> But I think BPD
>would actually be something that
>the producers would accept, because
>it increases the drama in
>the house. Look at
>all the attention that Ronnie
>and Chima have drawn from
>viewers for their antics.

That makes sense. Pretty sad though because Borderlines are often violent to themselves or others.

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I was trying to lighten the mood.

However whilst it would be quite understandable if Chima has PSTD, I would have hoped that she would have had a lot of counselling afterwards, although I know that doesn't help everyone.

I would also have hoped that BB were aware of what had happened to her and would have called in someone to talk with her when she started to get unhinged.

I'm sure that she signed a legal waiver with them, but I am also sure that there is something in the contract about not letting her come to harm, if they aren't offering her some damned good support now then they may be in trouble later.

Well if I can have a brief moment to unlighten the mood.

Given the recent suicides by a couple of reality TV show peeps I think there is reason to suspect people may not be screened as well as they should and may not get as much counseling as they really need afterward.

As was mentioned elsewhere there was one season with slop where they didn't really bother to make sure it was peanut free or wouldn't screw over someone with known issues with blood sugar. I know they have to take a certain amount of care of people, but it seems like it may be the bare minimum to cover their butts. I believe when it has been talked about most shows do have therapists on hand both for during the show and for at least one I got booted session. I don't know how much of that is a "do whatever you have to so they stay or don't sue us" vs good care of the people. I can imagine there is some pressure to make sure the show goes OK on the people providing mental health care to the participants.

All that being said, I can see why they cast her. The tragic victim rises to the occasion and triumphs over the men who would keep her down story line had to have them rubbing their hands in glee if she could have pulled that off. I also believe she is smart enough and probably had enough post trauma counseling that she'd know what to say to get on the show if that is what she wanted. After all I got the feeling that being a bit strong-headed get what I want is a trait she's had a long time and if you know the right answers it shouldn't be that hard to pass a superficial psyche evaluation.

I do suspect Chima underestimated the pressure of being on the show and how things might effect her, and if the producers got a whiff of she'll be all drama if things don't go her way they might have overlooked a few warning signs she might be more drama than they want.

In any case, I hope she gets any and all therapy she wants/needs after this and can have a sense of perspective and humor about herself.

I think the lack of screening (or ignoring the results) is all part of the ratings game.

Look at what they did to Dicque and Danielle. A strained father/daughter relationship, brought together on television with neither knowing in advance. They didn't care about whether or not the relationship was fixed as the show went on. In fact, all the better if it wasn't because that means more drama. It was pure exploitation of a difficult relationship, no matter how you feel about D&D. (I mean, it was soooooooooooo unfffffffairrrrrrrr!)

Same with Dustin and whatshispuss - they even outted the whole STD thing on national TV. BB happy. Cowboy/Nakomis, Erika/Robert...BB loves this stuff! The more volatile the personalities, the better.

Can you imagine what the contracts and waivers must look like?

(I mean, it was soooooooooooo unfffffffairrrrrrrr!)

*presses heels of hands against temples*

I thought we agreed on a five-second warning before you did that.

A poster on Jokers who appears to be trusted and who has an "in" - Ziroc is the name - posted during BBAD that "Be warned, at 3am the feeds will be down for a good while." He was right. (I guess this means the times I gave in my post above are wrong -- it's that pesquey EST vs. PST conundrum).

So anyway, dude was right. And then, a short time ago, he posted the following information (reminder - everything in italics is a post from Jokers by Ziroc):

Ok... I gotta share this.. Here's "What may have" happened.

This could have 'happened'..

----
Mike: Hey Guys, can you all come into the Livingroom please? We need to have a house meeting.

.... ... they speak .... ....

AG: You will be paying for the mic pack Chima, this will come out your Stipend.

Chima: You know what? ***** this *****. I'm outta here. love you, nat--you too Lydia. *throws something* (her mic?)

She presses the diary room button, it doesn't go green, she tries to pull the door open (EVERYONE is in the living room sitting down btw) and Chima says "don't ***** with me, open this damn door. NOW!"

Then Nat and Lydia want to leave with her, but production asks them to remain a moment..

AG: Everyone, PLEASE calm down!

Lydia gets up and tries to open the DR door, bangs on it, crying.

Chima was SCREAMING at AG! The entire control room was told to record everything in case something happened. Security may have been there too.

Result?

1.Chima is the first BB USA contestant to ever QUIT.
2.For the first time ever. No eviction week. (since BB2?)
3.America will be voting as the seventh vote at jury.
4.Chima has forfeited ALL stipend, and will not be at the Finale night.
5.They will be showing this on TV Tuesday. (Probably edited to hell--removing all the good stuff)

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-09 AT 07:54 AM (EST)

Any word on what Chima's grandmother thinks?

Okay. Assuming this is accurate (which feels halfway safe for the moment), the producers have decided to preserve the faux drama of week-in-an-hour for the next go-round: a single quit can keep them on schedule. Chima's contract presumably says 'no media conversations without our supervision or we take your children', but she may be at the point where she doesn't care. ('No rules apply to me' has been in effect for a while now.) She may seek out any attention she can get while wrapped in the secure delusion which says a quitter is no longer under contract. Actually, someone check the new registrant list...

Keeping her out of the finale and jury really puts her in Nick's status: she's a non-hamster. It wouldn't surprise me to see her picture edited out of the opening credits.

America has voted on the jury once before this, acting through Eric. The only question here is who gets to turn America's key. (We could ask how rigged that vote will be, but why ask something we already know the answer to?)

Lydia and Natalie could destroy the show here & now: all they have to do is walk out behind her -- and it looks like they gave it no some thought for a few seconds. If that idea recurs, the producers are in major trouble as far as the timeline goes: bring up the fall schedule early, because we just lost a lot of cage time. Should either one think of that, today is going to make the last few hours look like a thumb wrestling match.

The first explosion may be over, but I think it's going to take the rest of the week for the fallout to finish settling. Minimum.

Watch them use this as an excuse to re-re-introduce Mr. s-PEC-tacular to the house.

Gag me with a steroid filled syringe.

The Joker's rumor mill seems to be settling on this scenario, and I've filled in a few things of how I think they will time it.

1) Chima's leaving basically overthrows Michele ala a Coup d'etat.

2) No eviction this week (so I'd guess Sunday's show goes through the post-HOH stuff (get the room, food comp) and nominations. We may see the nominations a little early rather than right at the end of the show with some preview of things to come to bump the ratings for Tues night.

3) Tues night spends most of the show on the leaving of Chima and the aftermath reactions of the hamsters. Highly edited to cover as much of BB's legal azz they have to. Tease the week in an hour as they still need a double elimination week to stay on schedule.

4) Thursday night everyone plays HOH (the if your noms are overthrown you get to play rule that they made for Chima--not sure if they would have done that for previous use of the CDE) they have noms, POV, Eviction and set up for a endurance HOH.

I agree that gNat or Lydiot quitting or otherwise being yanked out of the house would really screw up the schedule. I assume production will convince them that better to be evicted legitimately soon and get to spend time with Jessie rather than get sent to exile land and they'll have to track Jessie down themselves if they want to stalk him after the wrap party.

I doubt they'd toss Ronnie or one of the previous hamsters in the jury house to replace Chima, as that could have one juror with too much outside knowledge (unless they've been sequestering them just in case, but then they'd have to probably pay them). I think an "America's Vote" for the missing juror would work. Heck, make it a contest to be the person casting America's vote and you have to text in something or other to enter and that ups the texting revenue CBS gets (they do get a cut of all the "99 cents per text extra fee" thing right?

I'm sure there are plenty of BB fans who would love to be brought on stage at the finale to put the key in the box for us.

Marcellus has got to be having a *facepalm* moment this morning!

BB won't be needing any more recommendations from him in future, thankyouverymuch.

What makes you think Marjealous didn't set this up on purpose?

His Twitter, according to Jokers:

Chima what an unbelievable waste of an amazing opportunity. What were you thinking? M*

Yeah, she's screwed herself out of a lot of post BB appearance work...and M knows that it pays to be a memorable hamster, so too bad she couldn't see the big picture and tough it out.

Thinking about this in the shower: further quits don't have to affect the jury, even if they make things start to look very weird. All the show has to do is divide up the country into voting regions. Lydia quits, and it's East casting one vote and West with another. Natalie follows her out, make it East, Central, and West.

But as far as keeping the show on schedule -- one more quit turns a double-elimination week into a single: that's manageable. Two more, and we either get a lot of extra (boring) hamster activities or CBS has three open hours they hadn't planned on filling. Natalie & Lydia have the power to make a lot of trouble -- if they think of it. And thinking of ways to make trouble is just about all they ever do.

I highly doubt that Nat would quit because it seems she needs the $ from the stipend.

I doubt Lydia would quit because she wants time with Jesse.

Kevin's not going to quit over Chima.

And R/M/J/J aren't going to quit....so the game can just resume on schedule. Take out one double elim and insert one Chima DOR.

Drama replaces drama.

And America voting for the winner? Blame Chima, lol.

I wonder what their psychs have to say about this because Chima had to have been screened to be on the show and they all knew about her traumatic experience. I wondered how she would do in the BB pressure cooker. Now we know. Her expectations about a game were really skewed.

P.S. We've had unstable hamsters in the past...and they had a counselor/shrink on hand to talk with them.

All of the net watchers could tell that Chima would have a rough time with the noms...look at how she was handling the Coup D'Etat. Why didn't they have her go to the DR and keep her there with a counselor? Or did it unfold too quickly?

She was sleeping and Kevin woke her up so she could practice for the POV. Seems like she threw her mic in the jacuzzi shortly after that.

The question of physical/mental medical screenings arose with the double ambulance emergency a couple of seasons back, and I think we just got the same answer for the second time: 'What screenings?'

I didn't watch that season...did someone break down or was it a physical thing?

Two physical emergencies within minutes of each other: a faint/seizure due to low blood sugar from a combination of slop and a pre-existing medical condition, taking place outside the DR -- which was occupied due to an allergic reaction to peanuts, already in progress. Both would have shown up on any decent medical screening or through a basic questioning process.

Amanda was hypo(or was it hyper?)glycemic and after a couple of days on slop, she fainted and had a seizure.

Allison had a throat-swelling allergic reaction to something. She blamed it on the slop.

It happened simultaneously. It was very bizarre.

They could turn the POV comp into a luxury comp...

oooo I just thought of something.

Wouldn't it be sweet if Russell ended up in the final 2 and America, voting in Chima's spot, voted for him to win the money, thereby making her vote for Russell indirectly? Muuaahahahahahahahahaaa!!

Since Jeff using the CDE seems to be the trigger for the Ultimate Chima Bomb, what about if the Final 2 happens to end up being Jeff vs. Russell? That way, no matter which way the America Vote is replacing Chima's vote, it's for one of her mortal enemies?

Or even better would be if it were Nat and Chima didn't get to vote for Nat to win.

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There's a vid on youtube showing Braden's reaction to Jesse's getting Coup D'Etat'd. It shows him watching the show and then celebrating when Jesse is booted.

Wonder if he'll put one out with the Chima thing. Recall, here's some of what he said in his exit interview with E:

"Chima's polluted in the mind..."

"She's a gold digger..."

"Russell...very immature"

"People who are loudmouths...it comes back to them tenfold" (LOL!)

Would pick Casey and Jeff for F2.

"Jeff is very strong and stronger than/could take out any of the muscle heads."

"I'm pretty well associated with the world..." (Huh?)

Also wonder if Casey, Laura and Ronnie weigh in on this. It's a way to extend the 15 min of fame...

link plz?

This might be it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot9BqZe6fKI

^^ that's part 3

Here's part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdVQz77sYKk&feature=related

Here's part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tA6R0Xpxdk&feature=related

Oofa.

Ya think he's still bitter? Nah......

Dear AyaK,

Re: your question of whether Chima's meltdown rants would be shown.

Yes.

Sincerely,

the rats in the walls.

She didn't really leave them a choice, did she?

Chima did have major issues with the idea of anyone making choices she hadn't previously dictated -- to the point where I'm wondering if some small part of her didn't quit as a way of controlling the edit. 'If I leave, that means I'm the star of the week! After the stupid people made Jeff rob me of my queendom... I can just go out and take the crown with me!'

The producers can still work a Nick with her if they want to: one more down, no questions tolerated. But this late in the season, non-feed viewers will have a few inquiries. You can ignore all of the people all of the time -- for a while. And then some of them will return the favor.

So at this point, it might be a question of how bad they can make Chima look without giving her what she wants -- to be the focus of everyone's attention. It's a nasty editing line to walk, and any slip will wind up tilting to her desires...

Well, they could hit her where it hurts.

She does not want to be a "victim."

After she left, Jordan was saying to Jeff that she hoped that Chima was going to be alright, and that she's worried about her. Cue a little sad, sappy music in there, and follow up with Jeff's armchair psychology while the music weeps.

I don't think she cares if she's shown screaming and yelling at everybody; in fact, she thinks that's the mark of a strong woman. But put her in that victim context along with the ugly behaviour, and you've got Chima's worst nightmare.

Ouch. Have the other hamsters reprising her past trauma, play up every sympathetic word (even if you have to cut out of sequence for Lydia & Natalie)... the producers could pull that off without any real effort. They just have to be calm enough to think of it, and it's not as if they're going to read the coverage sites and pick up on your suggestion.

(Insert canned laughter here.)

Have the producers coach some sympathy soundbites in the DR as well, with a side of sappy music. Have lots of armchair psyching, a little speculating on how deeply damaged she must still be, and how utterly sad it is that she has deluded herself into thinking she is strong when her weaknesses are so visible and raw.

It's not like it isn't the truth.

Does anyone have the main number for Endemol? I think Frisky just submitted her job application.

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http://www.endemolusa.tv/

They run it with flash so you don't get the direct link each time.

You can fill out the online form or they have an address and contact phone number.

I assume the non scripted/reality genre would be the appropriate part of the company to apply to.

ETA

(and replace with a smaller version, I think it made the thread too wide)

... would be to give her a mere 10 seconds of time in the form of a voice over on black screen stating that she was removed from the game for the willful destruction of CBS property.

Then proceed on schedule, with Mich putting up a replacement nom and proceeding with show as scheduled with ZERO deviation.

Make her actions utterly... stupidly... meaningless.

Ha! The irony about the destruction of property...last night (I think it was last night) she joked that Russell is a terrorist with a paper airplane and she's the twin towers.

That really bugged me. There are some things you can make light of and some things are just bad taste. No way her situation was anywhere near Twin Towers.

Come on. The world basically stopped for nearly a week and digested that horror. Regular programming on tv stopped, there weren't advertisements for a few days...how many times in our lifetimes has it been like that? She was an adult when it happened, too, not just a kid, so she should have some perspective on it.

That was just one of the signals that something was going really bad with Chima.

How did Chima add up the Russell=terrorist equation anyway? I missed the start of that.

Russell is of Lebanese heritage, therefore he's from the Middle East, therefore he must be a terrorist.{/Chima logic}

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I think a combination of the fact he is Lebanese (so must be Muslim, even if a lot of the population of the country is not, which is why she thought his rosary was a crock) and he can be a bully.

Apparently the main Christian sect in Lebanon, Maronite, is closely associated with the Roman Catholic Church and does the Rosary thing. There are Roman Catholics in Lebanon as well. The rest tend to be various versions of Orthodox.

... with a cross on it?

Or is it the prayer beads (subhah) that Muslims use?

I don't know if the feeds got a good shot of it.

I know it is wiki, but they usually aren't that wrong and you can check the footnotes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Lebanon

"But official records confirm that in 1926 when the state of Lebanon was officially announced and recognised by the allies the Christians formed 84% of the population.

So it isn't unfathomable to think he's Christian

The Maronite Church, a church in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest and politically most active and influential denomination of Lebanon's Christians

Probably easier to say Catholic than anything else as that some lesser known sect.

I do remember learning in grade school that Lebanon had a lot of Christians for being in the Middle East. We didn't have prayer in school then but they hadn't removed all religious words from the text books.

However I could believe lots of people assume everyone who is from the Middle Ease is a Muslim and all Muslims must be terrorists. It really isn't that uncommon of a belief. Heck a lot of people who got attacked after 9/11 for being "one of them" were Sikhs which aren't even Arabs and definitely are NOT Muslim. But they do wear turbans, so they are "other" and thus must be the same as the bad guys.

That would be the 'One more down: no more questions' approach. I just thought it was a lot harder to justify with the broadcast viewership after this long on the air than it was with Nick and his one-episode stay. Y'know -- people actually have some vague idea who Chima is. Somebody would want details, and it has to get a little annoying when you keep repeating 'No' for a whole five minutes. And setting up the audio loop? Means less time for skimming money off the text votes.

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I dunno, Estee. I think Julie could be pre-programmed for that audio loop. It wouldn't be the first time.

You know, that might be the thing. Nick's departure could not be spoken of because he slandered the good name of Chenbot. The circumstances weren't shown, of course, to protect Chenbot. Look at how she sliced and diced Braden in his interview after Chima told the audience what he said about her?

Chima did nothing but hurt herself, so there's really nothing to hide and nobody to protect. Certainly not Chima herself, because she's just a HG and they don't protect HG's. (Well, except the chosen ones.)

I think they'll roast her Sunday night.

(Edited to add the point of my post.)

But if they go too far into the roast, we'll get a flood of people treating it as 'How dare they abuse the survivor/victim!' (And we may get one or two no matter what happens.) They do have a line to walk here -- if they care about public reaction. They might not.

... the ten second nod then movin' on approach.

Chima is gone, which is 1.

They could end Michelle's HOH early, hold the next HOH, etc. and do the BB FF and have two new noms by Thursday. Then America could still have her vote.

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Well, there are two possibilities.

Possibility one is that they don't do the week-in-an-hour and just let Michele make a new nomination: Lydiot. Then Lydiot and Gnat can compete to see which one gets to go spend a week with Jessie, but eliminating one of them means the show will have to settle down. Heck, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if J/J/M backdoored Russell once that happened.

The other possibility is that we don't have a boot and still have the week-in-an-hour.

Frankly, if I'm a producer, the first seems more appealing. But I don't know which option Alison would pick.

I tend to agree, which really is what they should do. But they were already going to FF it - this way they might be able to calm Nat/Lydia by giving them a chance.

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They have to explain Chima's being gone.

Here's how to do that. This show probably won't even address it. Focus it on the noms, which went on for a long time and probably included a good Chima rant. There's plenty of footage of the Bitter Trio coven trashing Jeff & Russell's stuff, calling Russell a terrorist, etc. In the meantime, we can have Michele talk about how sorry she is and how this is the worst thing she'd done on the show. So end this show with the noms, while making Chima look like a nut.

Then start the next episode out with the mike toss into the Jacuzzi and Chima's quit. You don't need to show Alison, but you'd show Jeff explaining to Jordan about Chima's rape, with Jordan's sympathetic reaction, etc. That all takes up about half of the next episode.

They spent some time showing Ollie's rant last year...so I think they'll show Chima's behavior. Especially where she has to get bleeped bleeped bleeped for telling production they should "go -bleep- a -bleep-".

No -- they don't. They'll have a little more trouble from the viewership if they don't, but they have no obligation to show or explain anything they don't feel like distorting. 'Who's Chima?' is on the table until swept under it.

So where do we rank Chima on the all-time list of reality quitters? I think she needs at least a few bonus points for being the first to take hostages. 'Get me a producer or no one sees the washing machine again!'

Well, like just about everyone else, I found out about Chima's leaving the show. Here's my two cents on it:

Chima's mentally ill. That's obvious. She may have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, thanks to being raped and nearly killed by a serial killer. That would traumatize anyone so I wouldn't be surprised if she had it. She may also have Borderline Personality Disorder, although I'm not sure if she had it before the rape or if the rape triggered that as well. This may have given her some issues with men (although Jessie seems to have been an exception). But the key is that she was in the Big Brother house. She may have been able to handle stuff in the real world, but inside that house, as time passed, she began to succumb to her inner demons. In the end, she couldn't take it anymore. She was weak mentally and that may be a cause for pity -- but at the same time, she behaved so badly that most of the pity I feel is diluted. I see an induction into the Reality TV Hall of Shame on Reality News Online in her future.

Chelsia (Real Pass's Twitter person, co-host of a talk show, BB9 alum) put up a Tweet that peeps should use the Flashback starting at 10pm PST - 4:30am PST.....

At the start of the 10pm hour...... Chima's on the top of the putting (POV?) apparatus, and is sending balls all over the place! (It's easiest to keep track of her in Quad-mode, probably...... she's currently on 1 and 2)

And if anyone knows crazed vengeful behavior, it's Chelsia.

This is the throw as it appeared on BBAD. Now you know why I didn't think I saw it. (It's a GIF file.)

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=BBMedia&Number=12289179

Turns out it's near the beginning of the Flashback at 10pm. I was wondering what in the world that first Natalie and then Lydia was trying to fish out of the hot tub that was causing them so much problems..... a mic battery pack definitely would be harder to get out than a golf ball......

No one's telling them what's going on. Michele keeps waiting to pick POV players or be told there won't be one. No one's asked her to name a replacement nominee. Chima's Memory Wall picture, for whatever this is worth, is still in color. No word on Thursday on back. And they don't know how to deal with it, what to expect, etc.

However, Russell's rosary has turned up: it was sitting in a pile of Chima's belongings. So at least she didn't go out the door with it.

Very confused female hamsters:

The behaviour of Chima, Nat and Lydia after Jessie's eviction just shows how much of a puppet master Jessie was over these three girls. They were not playing the game of Big Brother going for the money - they were playing the Jessie Game (nat and lydia) and the Control Game (Chima).

Chima kept saying she wanted a female to win and they needed to get all the males out of the house. Nat and Lydia agreed and possibly Michele. If this was their strategy at some point they were going to have to turn on Jessie. If they were playing the game, they would have realized Jeff just got Jessie out for them and their hands were clean and maintained their friendship with him and secured his vote for one of them. They than could than pick off Russell (aligning with Jeff temporarily), than Jeff and than Kevin.

BUT NO THESE CHILDISH LITTLE GIRLS WENT ON THIS SELF DESTRUCT RAMPAGE, Chima because someone told her NO and Nat and Lydia because they thought more of Jessie than they did winning the money.... POOR CHOICES.....

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Chima's picture has not "gone grey" yet. It's still in color.

And BB got them up instead of letting them snooze...POV still happening today? Or will it turn into a lux comp?

ETA: No ? now--here's an article from EW that confirms Chima's outtathere, as in kicked off:

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/08/15/big-brother-contestant-chima-kicked-off-the-show/

"CBS confirmed today that Big Brother 11 contestant Chima, the freelance journalist from West Hollywood, was booted off the show this morning. Chima’s surprise departure capped off a particularly volatile 24 hours in the Big Brother house...."

Michelle just came out of the DR holding a laminated piece of paper and -- insta-fish. Either they're about to get an Official Producer Word (or three), or we're proceeding with the competition come hell, high water, or Amber.

Sounds like they will be playing for HOH and Michele will not be playing.

Sounds like Production got bored waiting for Thursday to do a week in a day.

In other news, those saying Chima can't be gone because the picture is still in color....it is in B&W now.

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Sounds like Chima's blow up will play on Sunday, that may be why they are going to go ahead and do the "week in a day" second nom over the course of a few days.

They'd need something for Tuesday.

Since the Chima thing is getting some press they may have decided better to show it quick so they get people while they are still curious.

ETA link to jokers that mentions this

link

The comments indicate a new HoH competition.

Michele is ticked since she only got to be HoH for two days, but they're going to have a new HoH competition, and Michele won't get to play (unlike Chima when Jeff overturned her nominations). She has to depend on Jeff and Russell (since the odds on Jordan winning a competition are only slightly shorter than the odds of the Kansas City Royals winning this year's World Series). The producers will thus build up the drama by the HoH switch and by ditching the FF week-in-an-hour.

It should actually be fun. Gnat told Lydiot that she'd put up Russell and Jeff if she won. I'd expect Kevin to do something similar. Since Lydiot's chances of winning are similar to Jordan's, it's a 2-2 battle for control.

She has every right to be ticked. So am I. So what we are to pretend that Chima and Nat were not nominated. There is going to be no VOTE?? What about that? Nat got a free pass too? OMG Jessie is controlling from the Jury house. Well everyone wanted Chima Gone......

What is going on Sun... food comp and Tues is HOH

Sunday from what they say the ad on the PGA tourney was like sounds like Food comp through Chima ejection.

Then Tuesday would likely be the second HOH, Nominations, and probably POV.

It is debatable if Michele should get to play. I would think yes since they didn't have a vote, but it was one of her nominations that went home.

I could see them drawing the line, one of your nominations goes, you got your way and used your power and it would be unfair to get 2 eviction/ejections in a row. If someone leaves because of something other than you nominated them then you get to be HOH as you didn't get any power to evict.

Natalie will be playing for HoH while wearing some of Jessie's clothing. (Considering the size difference between the two, this would be a perfect time for the producers to pull out something involving high dexterity and coordination.)

Let's use a new thread for the remainder of the week, and leave Chima here on this thread, shall we?

Part 2: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID34/1299.shtml

Still on Trivia

Apparently someone hasn't been keeping up (copied as it will disappear quick, I think)

What is up with you updaters? - #######
I mean seriously?
Right now it says the houseguests are playing HOH#7
No there not,do you not watch enough big brother to know it's POV comp??
Where do the admins find these people?

name blocked to protect the clueless.