Agree

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Knowing Jeff he wants as little trouble as possible. Unless Jordan or himself are on the block after the veto, he will not use it in my opinion.

The reason for one is that he can`t play for HOH that thursday if he wins.

The CdE is to replace the HOH and nominate 2 other people, and then they go straight to voting one of the 2 new nominees out.

Which to means that Chima is no longer HOH and could be put up she would have no priveledges at all, it works like a fast forward almost. The HOH and Veto holder are turned over, a new "week" starts if Jeff uses CdE. Even if it is only for that 30 min till the next HOH competion.

Why would he use it if Jordan or himself is not on the block and make enemies. If it would be me, I would rather play for HOH for week 6.

Why can't he play for HOH? Did they say that? The Coup doesn't make him HOH. It simply lets him overrule the HOH.

I think he uses it. It would nice to use it to put up Jesse & Nat. Then one of them goes home. And further Chima can;t play in HOH.

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LAST EDITED ON 08-07-09 AT 06:24 PM (EST)

I think you're right. Jeff doesn't become the HOH, he just replaces the HOH's nominees. So he could conceivably win the next HoH Comp, and Chima will be ineligible.

This could really put the nail in the Chima/Nat/Jessie alliance if it weren’t already done for, because only the Nat/Jessie survivor would be left to compete for HoH. Even if he/she won, they'd not be long for the house.

In either case though, he'd be a fool not to use it if Chima puts up his alliance members, it's his power and the worst thing he could do would be to waste it because he wouldn't want to make anyone mad at him. They are way past the point of not making enemies.

I heard it in the in both live shows, that the 'power' is that he will be a "short timed' HOH, and then replace the nominees. Maybe I am misunderstanding, as anybody DVR`d the thursday show? I already erased mine. Maybe somebody can listen to when Jeff is in the DR room when he reads his card. Plus I heard the HOST , what is her name, explain it last week thursday when the voting began. She said "replace the HOH"

OK so... I went back to the CBS website and checked on the Show and replayed the show.

The CdE is revealed on min 22:00 with Jeff in the DR.

It says:

....once in a lifetime .... Overthrow the HOH and even make your own nominations....

So I like that much better.... glad I was wrong....

he can overthrow the HOH nominations and put his own 2 people up he wants out of the house......... Yeeehaaa. I am sooo happy now.

Yeah, that's good.

I really hope you are correct, I wish that would be true, but as I said I heard it differently. Lets hope your version is correct, that would make me feel better.

Apparently she's figured out Jeff has the Coup because just a few hours ago, she started trying to crawl into bed with him.

As soon as I read the feeds at Jokers, I thought the same. LOL about Nat wondering why Jesse wants to hang out with Lydia.

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Imagine how dangerous she'd be if she was even remotely appealing.

Yes, I know how subjective it is: her personality makes her ugly.

LAST EDITED ON 08-07-09 AT 12:20 PM (EST)

I can't even get that far.

I would like to see Nat's head explode when she finds out L & J did the deed.

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OK. In a perfect scenario, Jeff would replace Chima's nom.s with Nat and Jessie just as Nat was given proof of Lydia’s boinking of Jeff.

After all, two exploding heads (Nat's and Chima's) are better than one.

I’m wondering if we might have another BB first in store for us. Lydia did say that she would do anyone, including a woman if she needed to win. And since she’s been true to her word so far, and now Chima is HOH…..

First post this season, yay! Do more lurking than anything.

Lydia is a total ho, no doubt about it!

IMO Jess or Nat are gone this week. Even if one wins the POV, the other goes up and then goes home. Lets just pray that Jeff actually has the balls to use it!

that Jeff actually has the balls to use it!

I think I found the flaw in your theory.

Oh, I think he has them.

Nat spent last night trying to persuade J&J that Michelle is their enemy. Didn't seem to work. But it indicated to me that Nat's dream this week would be to have Lydia and Michelle go up. I can't imagine Jeff sitting that out.

But I'd guess that Chima's noms will be Lydia and Russell, based on the HoH room chat so far.

Have/have not competition is apparently underway...... the trivia's back up.

No, that was Jeremy Piven's visit. The have/have not competition is apparently going now.

Well, that's the second movie getting a plug this season......

*facepalm*

NOW might be the Have/Have Not competition.........

You wanna know why they had fishies/trivia earlier? They had a visitor....... Jeremy Piven from Entourage, and more recently The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard

Just what that banana bunch needed, a non past Hamster guest..... *sigh*

LAST EDITED ON 08-07-09 AT 08:10 PM (EST)

Have/Have not competition is over, and the feeds are back.....

Jeff, Michele, Kevin and Lydia are all have nots, and the bonus items are.......LIVER AND LIMES!!!!!!!!!

LAST EDITED ON 08-07-09 AT 08:17 PM (EST)

Jordan, Jeff, Natalie, Jordan (and possibly Chima, as well...)won the right to watch a movie...... with Jeremy Piven. Why do I have a feeling that it's The Goods?

Sounds like Russell might've also won something: $10K!

He's asking Russell hypothetically if Natalie/Jessie were up, who'd he evict? Russell chose Jesse (even though Russell thinks he's an odd-on favorite to get nominated)

Jeff then said something along the lines of "hope for a change" and "it's not official until it's official....."

>He's asking Russell hypothetically if Natalie/Jessie
>were up, who'd he evict?
> Russell chose Jesse (even
>though Russell thinks he's an
>odd-on favorite to get nominated)
>
>
>Jeff then said something along the
>lines of "hope for a
>change" and "it's not official
>until it's official....."

First, thank you to those who were kind enough to welcome to the boards, it was appreciated. I'm pulling for Michelle so far. Although I do like Jeff and believe Jordan is a sweetheart.

This is only the second season of watching BB the first being season 7. I don't know about anyone else but the first night I tried to pick people whom I thought I would bond with. Those people were Michelle-Casey & Jeff. Enough about that on to the matter at hand.

So far so good step one is done. Chima has done the expected in nominating Lydia and Russell. The next step is for JEFF to shut his mouth about game play. When speaking to Russ assure him he has his vote but nothing else.

Jeff's biggest dilema would be if he plays in the POV does he make it look good or go all out to win the thing. By going all out and winning POV you assure yourself of Jesse's demise. On the negative side of things you have a HUGE target on your back for a day or two regardless of if you choose use it or not.

If you don't go all out and Jesse wins POV then you have left a dangerous player in the game.

Lastly, if Jesse does not win POV, then on Thursday night. Jeff should take Russ down proving to Russ his word is/was good. He should also leave Lydia up also assuring Kevin's vote will be for Jesse. Nat gets the pass this week under this version.

If Jesse were to win POV same version only with Nat taking the place of Jesse.

Welcome Curt, nice theorizing.

But whoever wins POV, even if it is Jessie, there will still be a target that the Michele/Jeff/Kevin/Jordan alliance can agree on. Either Jessie or Nat will be available no matter what, so Jeff will (unless he pulls some weird stunt, and he's been pretty predictable so far) have to use the CdeE power regardless of who wins the POV, or how they use it.

This week, either Jessie or Nat will go. I would think that for his sanity he'd try and get Nat out first, the prospect of living in the house with both Chima and Nat screaming at everyone would be a daunting one. For myself, I hope Jessie goes because I would enjoy watching that chaos.

Russell and Lydia are your nominees........

LAST EDITED ON 08-08-09 AT 08:05 AM (EST)

Which makes it look like Chima is trying to lure out the Coup and make its holder do the work for her. Russell is a target, but he's not her target just yet -- while Lydia's a known quantity: lock down your bed, sterilize the sheets, and plug your ears.

Remove all sharp objects and hide all the belts.

I heard Jessie talking to Russell last night while they were playing pool that "she" ( I don`t know if he ment Chima or Natalie) are planning on backdooring Jeff. And Jeff is the target this week. Then he stopped talking about it.

LAST EDITED ON 08-08-09 AT 11:15 AM (EST)

Well, that certainly is convenient. If Chima wasn't trying to draw out the Coup before, she's almost guaranteed its use if this comes to fruition....... and if Jeff doesn't use the Coup and he leaves? That will top Marcellas's lack of POV usage in Season 3!

I would certainly think he would use it if he's backdoored. He couldn't be that stupid, could he?

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*looks at what show we're talking about*

*looks at his showmance partner*

*looks at remaining hamsters in cage*

*gigglefit*

I actually thought that as soon as I posted.

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That sounds really -- scripted.

We've had plenty of hints that the DR is essentially trying to dictate the season (or at least even more than usual) -- but if this is the master plan they're trying to feed the hamsters, we've officially entered WWE territory.

Jessie really should have spotted that.

Chima suspects the power can be used to save a nom, BUT she thinks she will be the one to decide the replacement? I really want Jeff to put up Nat & Jessie. I would actually like for Russell to win POV so that Jeff really doesn't have to make a decision about Russell.

Last night on BBAD Chima stated that IF the Wizard Power is used on HER nominations; she will FLIP out and ask Julie "why am I here"? She plans to get loud about it if the Wizard Power allows the replacement of her nominees. If it happens and is used that way she will demand to know WHY she was HOH at all. The HOH is power; and it will be meaningless for HER power.

The HOH position of "power" has definitely gone to her head; she was running her mouth non stop last night. And that laugh; UGH, it is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

HOH is a nice bedroom for a week, some snacks and a touch of home...and the responsibility to nom two people, potentially alienating both of them and making future enemies who want revenge.

Power? Risk.

'HOH: the power to go on the block next week.'

Definition valid through F5 inclusive.

*nods head*

Hi I am new at this so forgive me if I do something wrong.
On the Power Coup D'etat, didn't Julie state the holder may use it to replace either nominations with his/her choice. We are only assuming he can not choose(HOH) Chima. Wouldn't that blow if he put her and Nat/jessie up. But are we sure he cannot? Jessie/Nat would be a great choice. Getting rid of Natalie will break down Jessie some, getting rid of Jessie now may be your only chance considering the way that side of the house keeps getting HOH. Russell is also a threat. Chima just gets on my nerves, so much yelling and drama. If Jessie really had Russell's back he wouldn't of been lying down during the Chima/Russell yelling match. The only partnership there is Natalie/Jessie.

Per earlier notification about the Coup, the HoH and POV winners are safe from getting hit by the Coup.

The Coup will yank the power of the HoH out of Chima, but not the safety of the HoH......

Chima, Russel, and Lydia are playing (HoH and the nominees)

Natalie and Jeff are playing..... (and I think Jeff is Russell's Houseguest Choice....)

Jesse is.....not playing!

Unknown who the 6th player and host is, currently. Kevin might be playing but not sure.

Jokers says it is Kevin. And they saw a quick glimpse of chicken suits in the storage room. Time for Chicken George?

There's also a lot of talk about Russell going off on Michelle last night and Jeff sitting by not saying a word....which ticked off Michelle so she goes and unloads to Nat and Chima, throwing Jeff under the bus. Sigh. Michelle is really getting the emotional roller coaster treatment.

Not sure if the Jeff and Jordin + Michelle alliance is gone...but certainly at risk of Nat and Chima tell J or J what Michelle said. And they have two of the three biggest mouths in the house.

LAST EDITED ON 08-08-09 AT 05:34 PM (EST)

Looks like Kevin won the POV.

He and Lydia were dancing in the bathroom saying "we're both safe!".

So Kev takes Lyd off the block and Chima noms....Jeff?

LOL!

That's if Queen Chima will permit it's use....... she kinda doesn't want Kevin to use the POV...... or at least that's what she told him.......

Lydia thinks that Jessie has the wizard power, and Kevin wants to talk to Chima/Gnat/Jessie about if he doesn't use the POV to save Lydia, that they will be the final 5 to the end after getting rid of Russell this week.

....about the Coup blowing things up in her face.

Her earlier thought of backdooring Jeff have evaporated, and she's petrified that if Kevin takes Lydia off of the block and then put up either Jeff or Jordan, that whatever that Power is will come out and wreck everything...... like then putting Jeff/Natalie up instead!

So Kevin takes Lydia off and Chima puts somebody up... Jeff?
Thursday, Jeff uses the coup for himself or both nominations? To bad Chima can't go up.

Hopefully Jeff will replace both nominees with Jessie and Nat, getting rid of at least one (hopefully Jessie) and by taking Russell off the blcok - should show Russell who has been playing him.

I CANNOT WAIT TILL 11 PM TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON. I WONDER WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON SHOW TIME AND HOW MUCH IS BIG BROTHER ALLOWING US TO SEE. I KNOW AFTER, WAS IT LAST YEAR WITH ALL THE NUDITY AND SEX NOTHING SURPRISES ME.
I CANNOT BELIEVE LYDIA THINKS JESSIE HAS THE POWER. WOULDN'T HE HAVE USED IT LAST WEEK TO SAVE RONNIE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP HIM IN THE HOUSE. So Sunday night is nominations and Tuesday is Veto. We have to wait till Thursday for all the excitement. Chima is going to FREAK!!!

Chisma/Nat/Jessie and Kevin in HOH talking about not using the Veto and voting Russel out. Jessie is hot from drinking 2 glasses of wine. Chisma said she will cause a scene if power is used on Thurday) It is ashame that she cannot go. I woulf love to see he butt go up on Thurdsay against Russell/Nat. At lease with Jessie he is funny. Yes is the one pulling the string but we all know where he is coming from.
Outside is Jeff/Russell/Lydia

Lydia and Kevin talking saying that Russell does not have the power. Lydia thinks Jessie has the power and Kevin is telling her he does not because he is freaking out now. Michelle is having a hard time keeping her stories straight.
Jessie told Jeff and Jordan that Russell said that they are coming after he and Natalie. The same with them. It just shows that Russel is trying to cause a fight between them. But if I recall Jeff was planning on shaking up the house. So is Russell playing both sides? Is he really loyal to Jessie? It doesn't seem like it. Jeff/Jordan and Nat/Jess seem like the only ones that are teams.

Jessie is not loyal to Nat - he wants to take her to the final two because he knows the house dislikes her as much if not more than him and therefore he has a better chance of wining against her. I venture to guess the second person he would want to be in the finals with is Lydia for the same reason

That's a good theory. And I might get on board if I could see any semblance of rational planning by Jessie.

His idea of planning is "how many reps today, and how many tomorrow".

As far as the game goes, I would be very surprised if the idea of who will sit next to him at F2 has ever even occurred to him.

LAST EDITED ON 08-09-09 AT 07:32 AM (EST)

Has anyone called Nat on this?

Have any other sub-21 year olds in the house partook of the alcohol?

http://twitpic.com/d8quw Now she didn't like the red wine, but she can't make a face if she doesn't take a drink.

ETA: I did see something where apparently she only did it in front of people who know about the lie, but still why risk it?

More fake fights ahead?

http://twitpic.com/d7c45

OK, I keep reading about Chima threatening to go gonzo if the CDT is used on Thursday, no one should mess with her power, etc.

Then I read/see on Hamsterwatch that Chima is smiling in the middle of another Chima/Russ argument. There's a pic of it.

Is this whole thing super staged? Did the DR tell Chima to stir the pot with Russell this week because her noms would get overthrown...and she and Russ really have a partnership...and she knew that he would be safe even if she put him up?

And the whole stir the pot on Thursday threat is more manufactured drama?

If she winked at him in the their last fight (the one by the stairs) then either it didn't mean anything because she does want him out...or it did mean we know this is fake but keep it up.

I am confused about the whole Russ/Chima interaction/relationship. We know Russell goes around lieing...so which is it? Who is he really with or is he the consummate floater?

I wonder how much the DR is telling them to go out and earn their $$ and create some drama for TV.

I find it interesting that Russell's playing the exact same game that Ronnie was playing, only ramped up, and, unlike Ronnie, he's getting away with it practically scott-free!

Is it the muscles? The way he's playing all sides? The execution of his plans/staging fights/etc.? How's he pulling this trick off?

I think it's because Ronnie was always "on."

Also, when Russell is "off," he actually comes across as a nice guy. He's also intelligent without having to tell everyone how intelligent he is.

Gawd I hate Ronnie.

Then go read about an interviewer evicerating him in the interview thread on Bashers......

I think Russell is simply smarter that "Mr. Brains". When you look at how he (Ronnie) played the game, the early heavyhanded-ness and sense of entitlement, and you read the interview which basically underlines what we've seen as to his lack of clear vision in the game, one can see what cost him any chance of winning. IMO.

I think Ronnie used the worst strategy I've ever seen, either on BB or Survivor. (meaning I include Shane, Dreamz and Jean RoBear!) I'm slightly impressed with Russell's strategy. That must mean that there is a difference between the two and I think it's a question of approach and personality.

Ronnie approached two groups: Jesse's possee on one side and the Populars on the other. He pitted them against each other, making enemies in both camps. It was much too heavy-handed. I immediately thought he had absolutely no chance to pull it off.

Russell approached individuals and made one-on-one deals. He still has a long way to go but I think he has a chance to go far.

Look at Russell's deal with Jeff to see the enormous difference between his game and Ronnie's. Between Russell and Jeff, there was respect between the two competitors, each knowing that the other wants to win but able to come to terms on an immediate goal. Ronnie never respected his opponents and it showed.

As far as personality goes, Russell comes across as a confident man who understands the difference between the game and real life. His explanation to Chyma reflected that even if she couldn't look passed it. Ronnie came across as having a Napoleon complex where he'd do anything to win and it was only about the win.

"Ronnie never respected his opponents and it showed. "

Great comment! Ronnie showed arrogance (which probably was covering low self esteem) and not respect.

Couldn't agree more.

Ronnie's game was played with so much bile and condensation towards others.

Russell is at least able to approach others on a level Ronnie never understood or at the very least chose not to use. Outside of the house Russell is probably someone you could hang with and have a good time.

Ronnie however strikes me as someone who's people skills are lacking both inside and outside of the house. Had he been able to incorporate some social skills with his game knowledge Ronnie could have really advanced deep into the game.

Has the veto meeting happened?

hamsterwatch has the results up, so I guess it did.

Veto not used.

0°Kelvin didn't use the veto and left Lydiot on the block? What made him do that?

Decree/Request from Queen Chima who's paranoid about the Wizard Power (Coup D'Etat).......... She's afraid that if Lydia came down and she put up, say..... Jeff or Jordan? that would guarantee the activation of the power! Now, she's hoping that these nominations won't be worth a rocking of the boat and the Coup upsetting the whole game.......

Especially since this is the secnod and final chance to use the Coup, I doubt she's gonna get her wish......

I doubt she will either ... and I'm going to love seeing the expression on her face when it's used!

These special power things never work out, yes I am that cynical.

I might believe it will be used when I see it actually used, and maybe not even then.

That's how I feel as well. Obviously Jeff SHOULD use the power to put up Jessie and Gnat. But who knows if he will?

>Decree/Request from Queen Chima who's paranoid
>about the Wizard Power (Coup
>D'Etat).......... She's afraid that
>if Lydia came down and
>she put up, say..... Jeff
>or Jordan? that would
>guarantee the activation of the
>power!

just another sign that these people have no clue as to the strategy behind this game.

Let's see:

-They think that Jeff may have the power
-They think that the power can be used to save a nominee and that Chima can choose a replacement
-They suspect that Jeff may have a deal with Russel
-They KNOW that Jeff and Jordan are close
-They KNOW that Kevin and Lydia are friends

Wouldn't the smart move be to have Kevin use the POV and remove Lydia, and Chima put up Jordan. That way, if their suspicions are right, Jeff would have to use the power to remove Jordan, and they could put Lydia back up (or Michelle). If their suspicions were wrong about the power, they would be forcing Jeff to vote to evict Russell. That would guarantee a tie in the votes, at the worst, and Chima could evict Russell.

I probably misunderstood but doesn/t Jeff have the power to replace both nominees?

The hamsters don't know what exactly the power is, so making a plan if they can only replace one person might make some sense.

Although doing something you know would anger a person you think has the power may not be the best plan. The one instigating something may get put up.

>0°Kelvin didn't use the veto and left Lydiot on the block?
>What made him do that?

Kevin made a deal with Chima to vote out Russell. Chima and Nat don't believe Jeff has the "wizard power".

Russell knows he's in trouble and is looking for salvation. We still don't know whether Jeff will give it to him.

LAST EDITED ON 08-11-09 AT 00:41 AM (EST)

I'm getting mixed signals. I read today that he asked Michelle who she'd vote out between Jessie and Natalie, and I'm pretty sure he's asked Jordan before. But he's also told Jordan once (if I remember correctly) that he doesn't think the power will be played this week, speaking broadly.

I'm leaning toward him using it, though, since that quote is a couple days old now. Game-wise, he definitely should, because it's not like Lydia will run to Natalie/Chima if Jessie's evicted. Then again, the hamsters often don't make the logical move.

I think he'll use it because the producers will tell him he has to. They don't want the power to be a complete bust.

If Kelvin and Lydiot have a deal with Gnat, Chima and Jesse then Jeff has to use the power to break them up. If not, he'll wind up on the short end of a 5-3 split.

LAST EDITED ON 08-11-09 AT 10:16 AM (EST)

I think Kevin has narrowed down the list of “who has the power” suspects. Jeff should be his main suspect, if for no other reason than Jeff is (per editing) shown as the least agitated about that situation. Iceman. But there are other less subjective reasons.

It should be obvious, even to them, that the Chima/Jessie/Nat alliance doesn't have the power, or else it would have been used last week. Oddly, they are guessing (or at least they are shown to be) it to be Jordan?

I think everyone has a pretty good gauge of Lydia and her inability to hide her emotions, so it's pretty obvious that she doesn't have it. She’s not capable of faking not having the power, and after living with her for a few weeks, everyone should know this. And being her best girlfriend in the house, Kevin surely has discounted her being the power holder.

The same applies to Jordan, she's less demonstrative, but as we've seen in her convo.s with Jeff, she's really worried. If she's acted that worried in front of alliance mate Kevin too, he has probably discounted her as having the power. So far, she hasn't been anything but open emotionally, and it's probably because she (unfortunately for her chances in the game) doesn't have a low down lying personality, and it should be obvious to the others. Again, I think Kevin is perceptive enough to pick up on this.

Leaving Michele, Kevin and Jeff, all/either of whom could be successfully holding a big secret, and Kevin knows it isn't him.

So part of the reason for Kevin not using the Veto on his BGFFL apart from his gaming (mentioned in the other posts, and are also probably very valid theories) is that he strongly suspects that either Michele or Jeff have the power, and that they will use it to replace Chima's nom.s with their own. And Jeff's noms and Michele's noms would likely be the same, (Russell might also be a possible alternate), and would agree with Kevin's preferences. So why show his hand?

Jeff's editing has shown him to be a pretty consistent guy, making level headed decisions. One might question the decision to let Russell have the HoH, but he didn't get burned, so it turned out to be a good decision afterall. He made a good judgement of Russell in spite of the audience's (and undoubtedly Kayser's) collective gasp at that point. Whew! So I'm thinking he will make the wise decision and use it to put up Nat and Jessie, as Kevin suspects that he will.

Michele has been pretty predictable as to her team loyalty (in spite of Ronnie's idiotic opinion), so even if she has the power (in Kevin's estimation), he may be guessing that she'll also use it to name Jessie and Nat (or maybe Russell) and overturn Chima's noms.

And I'm hoping he/she will too, and that Jessie goes home. Because the uproar in the house what with the volatile Chima and Nat facing the reality of being powerless, and the equally volatile Lydia and Russell being their verbal opponents, it should make for quite a week.

If DR has any influence over events in the house, I would suspect taht they would be trying to engineer this also, becasue a dull boring house is not a ratings maker.

Especially since the last time the house was decently exciting after a live eviction was when Chima went ballistic after surviving the first eviction.............

Jeff should use the Coup because if he does he will win over friends for the rest of the game in Russell and Lydia. I am sure Kevin will enjoy it also. Jessie and Nat were going to be on the other side of the house anyways. Same with Chima and she can not win HOH next week, so only one parson could put him on the block next week. These friendships would not only help in keeping himself from not being nominated, but also may be future votes in the finals.
My other point, is what makes you all think that if Nat and Jessie are the two nominees that Jessie would be the one going home? Lydia wants Nat out. Kevin will go along with that. That is two votes. Who knows how Jeff, Jordan and Michelle would vote.?

Minor correction: There are no friends in this game, only temporary allies and enemies. Even showmance couples will turn on each other.

And assuming Nat, Chima, and Jessie are picked off one by one (in any order) in the next few weeks as seems likely at the moment, the real drama will come when these "friends" start plotting for end game, and how to stab each other in the back without alienating the jury.

And will pure luck upset the best laid of plans? It is possible, and it has happened in the past, that minority hamsters have staved off elimination by going on HoH and POV runs. Of the three in danger at the moment, I would guess that Chima has the best chance of doing this, but who knows? And it’s a long shot.

LAST EDITED ON 08-11-09 AT 02:23 PM (EST)

I agree that all you have are temporary alliances if you're playing the game well. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a long-term strategy consistent with your tactics.

I made the point in another thread that Michelle had been absolutely loyal to J&J in voting. But her discussions with Chima last night, as well as her earlier discussions to which the arrogant Ronnie alluded, make it clear that she wants to appear to be close friends with everyone while following her specific game strategy. So far, it's been a nice bit of UTR gaming, even if Ronnie fails to appreciate it.

Really, I haven't seen anyone successfully pull off a strategy like that since Danielle did in BB3. Danielle was burned by the nonsequestered jury (which is why BB has never done a nonsequestered jury since then), but she would have won unanimously with a sequestered jury. We'll see how Michelle does.

I don't think Jeff can vote. But I did hear him feeling others out. Russell implied that he'd vote out Jessie, and so did Michelle. That's two. And I'm sure Jordan would vote out Jessie, so that would be the third.

As for other reasons why we think (or at least hope) that Jessie will be the one going home, Jessie's a bigger threat than Natalie. Natalie is overly emotional, and Jessie isn't -- at least, not this season.

I'm reluctant to back any theory which requires Kevin to have a functional brain cell.

I thought that there was general agreement that Kevin did have one functional brain cell?

One lonely, forsaken, badly under-utilized, lost in the wilderness, yearning to be free, brain cell?

Or was that Jordan?

Jordan borrowed it.

LAST EDITED ON 08-12-09 AT 10:02 AM (EST)

Ok. After watching tonight's show, I agree, Kevin really doesn't have a brain cell. His thinking had nothing at all to do with the Power. Jordan's been hogging the cell, I suppose. Hard to tell there.

My attempt at an intellectual dissection of his thinking was pure foolishness, and I should be made to eat post #92. What could I have been thinking?

I'm also beginning to really suspect that Snidget is right too, Jeff will screw up the CDE.

Lydia's sense of entitlement was pretty predictable.

Lydia's sense of entitlement was pretty predictable.

*unh*
Oh. my. gawd.
*unh*
I was totally going to say that.
Why didn't you let me say that first?

You're no longer my wittle cuttlefish.
*storms off*

Aw, come on, storm back in. It's a compliment to be channeled.

LAST EDITED ON 08-11-09 AT 04:48 PM (EST)

Last night Chima was selling an all girls alliance to the girls "I want a woman to win" and Russell was selling against it to Jeff and Jesse "you get two feminists together and...". So Chima is planning for when Jesse is gone, lol.

Don't know if it will hold. Lydia has been so hung up on Jesse that even his voting against her didn't put her off of him. I think Michelle agrees to be agreeable but isn't showing what she really wants.

Jeff should be using the CDT. It was a big signal from America to do *something* and J/N/C is a bigger cohesive group than any other in the house. Otherwise there are just twosomes and alliances of convenience.

But then Chima spent all morning with Jesse in the HoH room discussing their plans for after Russell leaves. I'm not sure that Chima wasn't just rying to see who was feeding information to whom, because she spent last night in the HoH room telling Michelle that Michelle was the one person that she could feel confident wasn't spilling Chima's secrets to the other side (hah!).

As I've said elsewhere, I think Michelle will be completely loyal to her alliance in voting, just not in discussion with the other hamsters. Secret alliances: we've missed them.

Jeff was spied drinking Gatorade (and possibly chewing on something in the Supply Room that probably wasn't a pill/vitamin/liver/lime....), so he's now earned an extra night in the Have Not room..... (Thursday night, basically.......

Once again BB isn't even handed in its application of punishments...Kevin got warnings for transgressing on the Have Not diet but Jeff gets an instant slapdown.

Maybe they figured that the extra day for Kevin last week was enough warnings for Jeff and the rest of the house?

Yes, that was last week, and yes, Kevin was eventually punished but that was after he did it three times! Jeff took a sip of Gatorade as he was taking the drink to Jordan--perhaps a mindless slip like Kevin's early slips?

Jeff got punished because Lydia raised a stink about his taking a drink of the Gatorade but then Lydia didn't think Jeff would get an extra day (maybe because Kevin had gotten away with similar stuff at first). IIRC, she was bummed Jeff got punished.

She's gonna feel even worse if Jeff uses the Coup and saves her a$$.......

LAST EDITED ON 08-12-09 AT 09:58 AM (EST)

After all these seasons...I found a site that gives a great summary of the BBers days and nights...and here is THE summary of last night with Jeff/Jordan/Michelle:

http://bbdish.blogspot.com/2009/08/overnight-report_12.html

To boil it down...Michelle is finally playing the game and pledges allegiance to Jeff and Jordan!

Jeff says that J/J/M are f'd anyway so why wouldn't he use the magic power if he had it?

They all agree they want Jesse gone if he could get "wizzed out of here" (lol).

Thursday night....going to be so good!

ETA: Jun, BBB4 winner, even has a blog on this site. She certainly tells it like it is.

Again, I'll believe Jeff is going to do something smart when I see it.

I watched some of the conversation last night. It seems to me that Jeff has dropped every hint possible that he's going to put Jessie up and everyone should vote Jessie out, because the other alliance will break down without him. But I'll still believe it only when I see it.

And If He does use it there will also be hell to pay. Chima, Lydia, Nat, Russell, and Kevin dont love Jeff and hate Jesse the way the people on these boards seem to...

You've gone too far when you include Russell in that group. Russell won't mind one bit that Jessie gets booted if it means that he stays.

My point in the other thread was that Kevin and Lydia are floaters. They'll side wherever they think the power lies, as long as it keeps them in the game. Right now the power lies with Jessie. But it won't bother them if Jessie goes, if they think that the power has shifted to Jeff's group and they aren't being targeted. Of course, Jeff's group (or Russell) needs to win HoH as well to give the floaters time to float the other way.

Jeff clearly doesn't care for Lydia, but I think his group will nominate Chima and Nat if they win HoH after using the Coup, to take out the opposing alliance. Russell will certainly want Chima to go. And Lydia will probably float over to that vote.

You're right about Nat and Chima, though. If Nat were to win the next HoH after Jessie were booted through the Coup, Jeff and Russell could count on being nominated. But that's a risk that can't be avoided.

You're right about Nat and Chima, though. If Nat were to win the next HoH after Jessie were booted through the Coup, Jeff and Russell could count on being nominated. But that's a risk that can't be avoided.

It's not really that much of a risk when you figure that Nat would be putting up Jeff anyway (Chima obviously can't play this week). And, eliminating Jesse with the Coup is a bonus, since that's one less HOH competitor gunning for Jeff next week who surely will be targeting him if he wimps out and doesn't use the power.

The years have told me, *waves to Marcellas* that these people lose any brains they may have had a soon as the game starts, so like you, AyaK, I'll believe Jeff will use the power when I see it. (though I am hopeful since the producers have decided to tape the evictions. I'm sure they get an early commitment from Jeff so they know what to expect, and the taping makes me think they expect it to be used)

If the Coup didn't exist and Russell were booted this week, I agree that the sides would be 5 (Jessie/Chima/Nat/Kevin/Lydia) against 3, and so Jeff and Michelle would probably be the two nominees unless one of their 3 won HoH.

Jessie has been trying to convince Jeff that he wants rid of K&L first. And he may. But his whole alliance + hangers-on doesn't.

Today, Nat told Jessie that they should name the Chima/Nat/Jessie alliance. Jessie demurred, saying that the alliance would be toast if he were gone tomorrow. Nat was upset with him for being so negative. But I hope they do agree to name it, because I'm tired of just referring to it as the Dumba$$ Alliance.

and the taping makes me think they expect it to be used

And that they expect/fear Chima's outburst when it is used.

FWIW, the hamsters have speculated the same thing. Chima told her alliance that she'd be good, no matter what happens. But after Russell and Lydia were packing this morning, I realized that Jessie and Natalie (if they are Jeff's noms) will need to pack prior to the vote.

The eviction show's gonna be pre-taped!!!!!!! The start time has been moved up to 11:30am PDT! I think they're moving it up so that they can get the show to end on time after Jeff uses the Coup and then Chima explodes! (that and have extra time for the button/blurs.....)

Also, it looks like Hamsterwatch has determined that Lydia is the current nanny for Heather Mills McCartney's kiddo Beatrice, and had originally started working for her earlier as more of either Heather's personal assistant, or the nanny's assistant......

I guess they want Chima to bring the drama. I'm sure she'll oblige.

Hopefully this isn't all a ploy to get ratings for a boring show.

All they've done is asked the live studio audience to show up 3 hours earlier. Normally, the live audience is supposed to arrive at 2:30 PM PDT. But for tomorrow, they've asked the live audience to show up at 11:30 AM PDT. That seems to relate to an anticipated need for extra time, which seems like it can only be related to Chima.

The discussion about the earlier time showed up right after Jeff went to the DR this morning, so it's hard to think that the events are unrelated. I would expect that Jeff told the control room that he was going to use the Coup with the intent of booting Jessie, and the producers decided that they might need some extra time to get the show pulled together.

I just don't want to get my hopes up. Afraid something will spook him at the last minute and he won't use it and Chima gets her way and everything is just boring.

LAST EDITED ON 08-12-09 AT 09:56 PM (EST)

I understand -- I don't want to get my hopes up too high, but I've been thinking Jeff will use the Coup d'Etat and I'm so looking forward to it -- and to seeing Chima explode when Jessie is sent packing!

LAST EDITED ON 08-13-09 AT 09:09 AM (EST)

Nat's reaction if/when she is nominated will be worth watching (with the sound off) too. Jessie might also have an entertaining response.

I wonder how they handle taped farewells in this situation. I assume that normally they just have the hamsters make one recording for each person on the block sometime between POV ceremony and eviction. But with the Power creating doubt as to who the nom's will eventually be, they might need extra time to get more farewell recording done for the replacements. Especially if Jeff has indicated in the DR that he will make the switch, because the extra farewells will have to be made after Jeff makes the switch during the eviction ceremony.

Yeah, I was thinking about the need for extra farewells last night when Nat was bragging about her farewell message to Russell ... although Chima thinks that it's because of her threats, or at least that's what she told Kevin.

The hamsters had a jury party where the have-nots were permitted to eat for the two-hour duration of the party. Jeff ate and then said he was tired from all the food and went to bed.

The hamsters were all (except for Jeff and Russell) in the HoH room and took turns saying "I have the mystery power" to show that they don't have it (as saying you have it supposedly negates it). They conclude that Jeff must have it, if anyone does. Jeff spends the whole night downstairs in bed without going up to HoH.

<P.S. I would expect that Big Brother must have anticipated this contingency; it wouldn't surprise me if the holder of the power is permitted to say "I have the power" in a situation like that without penalty.>

Russell spent the night mumbling to the camera about how hot he thinks one of the production crew is. Ironically, she is also named Michelle, and he then had to clarify which Michelle he was talking about. Basically, it seemed like he'd given up. Little does he realize....

Nat kept trying to spy on J&J. The hamsters still think she's 18. Dumb hamsters.

Its very possible there will be no extra farewells, just as when they have a fast forward week. They could also just have Jeff make a nice NA NA NANANA farewell to the 2 he plans to put up, that would be kinda cool.

But they still do need to give them time to pack.

And with the really entertaining farewells they've been giving this year, and the venom that might be expected tonight, I would expect the producers to try their best to get them in. They can control what is aired with the editing, so they have nothing to fear and a lot to gain.

From the feed transcripts (before feeds were shut down) it seemd like they might have asked everyone to pack, just in case.

In the past when they have had FastForward week they have sometimes had to leave the house without packing. At this time they have the HGs pack for the person. They would probably get Natalie to pack up Jessie's things if he does get evicted.

Now I'm ticked off.

This was probably done because of Chima's threats to blow up. If it were to make room for the Coup, the audience would have been notified sooner than a day or two beforehand. Rather than show her blow up, they will cut out all or most of it, because of their fear of the FCC.

We will not be witnessing any Chima tantrums.

Since the feeds will be blocked, we won't see it. In fact, the feeds will be blocked all day and all night until around 9:30 eastern, which means that we won't get to see the immediate HoH aftermath. We might hear snippets of what really happened during the coup and subsequent vote, but the HG's initial excitement and chit-chat will be more subdued by the time the feeds come back up six hours after-the-fact. So we'll get some obscure references and no detail because by then it will have been hashed and re-hashed.

So, what we'll get, is BB editing. Kind of like POV ceremonies, when HG's supposedly make speeches that incite anger, but we only hear about it after the fact and never get the real story because it's been edited out.

Tonight's show would have been epic. *sigh*

*moment of silence for what might have been*

*sigh*

The cat speaks truth -- but I'm going one step further: if it's a truly epic eruption, then the feeds will be blacked out whenever a surviving hamster tries to talk about it.

Wakeup call was about half an hour ago, 6:15 BBT.

They're now all mostly re-zonked out in the HoH room, while they prepare the habitat for taping.....

RealPass is having an Express Lunch marathon with Chelsia (BB9) and Melissa..........

The natives are restless calling into the show, but it's not Real Network's fault........

They're also suspecting that there might be more than just the Coup and Chima's explosion during the time that the feeds will be off.....

Lame. Some how I had been expecting all of this to happen live, not taped to edit everything! I wanted to see people's real reactions and conduct. Not just what CBS deems I should see tonight! Bummer.

Hope the feeds come back before the show tonight, so we can figure out if Jeff uses his power...and see how much chaos will ensue if he does!!! Come on Jeff...please don't let America down, we are counting on you for some fireworks.

Regardless of any editing though...it will still be priceless to see Jessie and Natalie's reaction if Jesse ends up going home tonight!!! Priceless!!!

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