You say annoying, I say (temporarily) magnificent.

And in the case of Jeff & Jordan, accurate.

Well, that's different: There's a "we'll be right back" now on the feeds with a shot at the control room.......

I think this HoH will make or break Ronnie: He told the Jeff/Jordan/Laura group that he was thinking of putting up something like Russel/Lydia with Jesse as replacement, but there was also talk of Kevin vs. someone as a pawn......

Now he's with Chima/Russell/Jesse shooting the breeze.......

LAST EDITED ON 07-16-09 AT 11:23 PM (EST)

Ronnie is the last person that needed to win HOH this week. IMHO...no matter who he picks? The other half will be urinated off. Can Chima pet please oh please go home this week? She is so freakin annoying.

ETA: Ronnie being the player he is doesn't need to show his cards so early.

The group that was trying to save Braden (Jeff, Jordan, Laura) were trying to figure out who backstabbed them and made the tying vote to evict Braden........ It took them a while of comparing notes to figure out that Ronnie was the one, even though he was telling them he voted to evict Chima and Michele voted to evict Braden.......... Also, Jeff's finally figured out that they can use the "you voted for the bigot" against them....

Casey's on the outs with his fellow Outcasts, especially because he voted to evict Chima, while the other two voted to evict Braden.....

Here's how the habitat is divided (right now...)

Friends/Allies of Ronnie: Jessie, Natalie, Russell, Kevin, Lydia, Chima

Currently Hosed: Jeff, Casey, Laura, Michele (even if she's safe this week....), Jordan

Well, there's a new thing that the fish are coming out for: mentioning Chima's bombshell speech.... which Chima was told got edited.

So Ronnie voted against Braden, which was (I guess) part of whatever alliance deals he was making with Jessie/Russell etc. This, in spite of his conniving against them, and of Russell giving him a hard time.

OK. I guess I get that. (OK, not really, it seems to me that he is just plotting to be plotting, and not with any real overall strategy in mind. But for the sake of argument lets just say that makes sense.)

But now he tells the bigots that he wants to put up Russell/Jessie/Lydia?

Except for the fact that these guys are morons, why would anyone believe him now? Oh wait, they are morons.

The odd thing is that with his weird scheming mentality, it might make sense (to him only) to turn 180 degrees (yes Jordan, that means change direction completely) , and actually do that.

I don't get Ronnie's gameplay at all. I get the fact that he's going for the "honest Iago" school of gameplay where he stirs the pot and makes other people knock themselves out. But he's certainly not being very subtle about it. What's the point of telling Braden beforehand, especially if you want him to not try to change the outcome? There's no point. It's just stirring the pot for no good reason, and it'll get you found out by people like Russell.

I guess it's arrogance. He thinks he can force a tie and then lie about the vote, and then expect to get away with it. Which is extremely stupid, because all the people do in BB is sit around thinking about the game. The hamsters are stupid, but even an idiot can put things together if you give them 48 hours to do so.

but even an idiot can put things together if you give them 48 hours to do so

*gives Jordan the puzzle pieces*

*waits*

Jordan has the best line I've seen so far. Wish I could find it on youtube ...

Ronnie has to tell her his big secret, that he's really a Superhero because he is a Master Debater. She's been drinking (like it mattered) and gives him a look somewhere between blank and inquisitive.
He continues: "You know, I can persuade people. I can use their arguments against them."

A light bulb goes on and Jordan responds, "Oh, so you're the bad guy!"

Truer words were never spoken ... even when she didn't know what she was talking about.

Ronnie is the biggest overplayer I've ever seen. He's got heck to pay after this week.
But I'm sure he's going to play it like "this is how I planned it all along." He may challenge Jessie for the Ego Award before it's over.
Well, he could be the runner-up to Mr. Ego, anyway.
Not a team player in any way. I guess he could go a long way, but by alienating himself so early, he will become the one guy the entire house can agree on when they boot him.
The longer he stays, though, the more value he has to one side or the other.

And Russell does have game, doesn't he?
I mean, he sussed Ronnie right out for informing Braden that Braden would be going up. He's got good senses. Not your average Jessie-like "beefcake."

"Currently Hosed: Jeff, Casey, Laura, Michele (even if she's safe this week....), Jordan "

Agree. So why wouldn't Ronnie nom someone from this group? Get rid of Jeff or Casey if he feels threatened by them...why go for Russell and Jesse now? Who will protect Ronnie next week?

I agree with Kingfish...Ronnie seems to be plotting for the sake of plotting instead of being strategic.

Or is he trying to become the "most hated person" in the house so therefore no one would want to see him win and so they'll decide to keep him so they can win against him? Isn't it too early for that to emerge as a strat?

Ronnie seems to also be obsessed with being on AllStars 2. What is he doing? Playing for the future? He seems to want to show off his BB knowledge at the expense of his present game. Will he have anyone on his side by next week?

(At least according to the DR, who's memory can be sketchy at best.....)

That was the first ever time that someone who was backdoored had to be sent out via the HoH tiebreaker......

LAST EDITED ON 07-17-09 AT 11:10 AM (EST)

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For some reason the second one won't load for me, but thought I'd put the link up, maybe it's just busy.

Thanks for the links, Snidget. This first link has a short interview that I think is just lifted from the longer interview. The longer one is over 15 minutes! I don't recall Julie doing such a long post boot interview.

Julie was ready for him. The "whore" comment may have gotten to her so she was ready to put him on the spot, yet in a cool journalistic manner.

She was really trying to get him to own up to his comments...and that was some of the most double speak I have heard in a long time.

She hinted to things for the audience by asking Brandon what woman in his life he most respects.

Yet at the end he showed he can answer the true false questions. I wonder what part of his answers was an act and what part is just how he is.

I think they do a fairly long interview that night right out of the house then cut that down to the Early Show clips.

Working my way through this EW recap by Josh Wolk...and this had me lol:

"And what of Lydia? For the first couple of days after being nominated with pawn Chima, she played the Offbeat martyr role well: Targeted by a cocky brute, she could weep into her tattoos about how nobody accepted her, and it made sense. She sucked up to the Athletes to save her, at first without much enthusiasm: When Jessie asked her for a massage, she said, ''Dude, let me just go get the lotion, we'll make a party out of it'' with the kind of sad, resigned tone that a prostitute who really needs the money might use when a kinky client asks her to change his diaper. "

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20291873,00.html

Ronnie's probable nominees (at least those told to his alliance): Laura and Casey with Casey being told that he's the pawn........

Sounds like he finally assessed the situation of who helped him, who can't be nominated, and who didn't vote for Chima.

Who does he want to back door?

No mention. Maybe he's waiting until the reactions to the nominations and then possibly who's gonna be in the POV game?

Feeds are on trivia. First it said something to the effect of Nomination time, but then it said the message for a game being played, which would be the Have/Have Not Competition.......

is finally over, and Dan was the Host

Popular appears to be the Have Nots, since they're in the "Jail Room" (Have Not Room), Jeff has come in to comfort them.......

So basically we're looking at a week of whine-cry-cry-complain-beyotch-whine-cry-cry-cry-dehydrate. And if either or both get nominated, there's a chance of ending that with 'quit'.

Wonder which one will try to showmance Ronnie just to get a nap in his HoH bed.

In the pool room of Casey/Jesse (the ones who met at a bikini contest outside the house?)

By the little that I was able to hear, I think Jesse has vowed to protect Casey, provided he survives this week........

Chima might be trying to get Jeff kicked out due to some act of violence supposedly perpetrated.........

Random acts of violence against a hamster? After the Knife Boy incident, what could have he done where the producers wouldn't call him on it in mid-action?

No clue. Maybe they crashed together during Have/Have Not competition?

Found this at Jokers:

Chima, Jeff, Nat in HOH room. Chima said that Jeff had said something about 'a bunch of people I want to stab in the heart.'

Ronnie wants to get rid of Russell, because he fears him trying to get rid of the Brains if he doesn't beat him to the punch. Chima is trying to get him to keep the Brain/Brawn alliance together.....

Nominations still to come tonight, and Chima's desire is Laura/Jeff, but I think Ronnie would prefer to keep Jeff around.....

It sounds like Casey might have won some kind of bonus during the Have/Have Not competition, but he's not completely happy about it.......

Per discussions with Casey, he's tipped his hands that the nominations are probably going to be Laura/Jeff with Russell as the replacement............

LAST EDITED ON 07-17-09 AT 08:21 PM (EST)

Well, I've finally seen where the spyscreen is this year: Looks like they've put it in the wall, and are using a widescreen monitor for it. It is across from the bed, as per usual, it looks like.

Sounds like at least Ronnie and Michele have mended fences, and he will be using her to try to mend the fences with Jeff, more likely than not, after the nomination ceremony is over........

Glad about it. I like Michelle.

Nominations are officially in, and Jeff and Laura are on the block.

Interestingly enough, Russell was the last key in the wheel...... Ronnie tried to play it like he didn't want to reveal the alliance so much but he failed.......

Russell might've added fuel to the "Let's backdoor Russell" fire...... he's mended fences with Jeff........ and has been seen talking to Laura and Jordan, which has sent Natalie into snitch mode......

It also didn't help that when Russell asked a question to stop talking game, when Lydia answered him, he verbally snapped at her..........

Also, Ronnie is claiming that he wants to somehow take Jeff and Jordan far in this game...... (probably as his bodyguards/human shields once this week is over......)

Russell, Natalie, and Casey will join Ronnie, Jeff and Laura in the POV competition.

Lydia will be the host.

Let's hope either Russell or Natalie -- or maybe even Casey -- don't win the Power of Veto. I'd like to see Russell go on the chopping block, so if Ronnie wins it he can just use it on either Jeff or Laura (more likely Jeff) and put Russell up.

After another 4 hour feed blackout, we learn that Jeff won the POV. As of right now, it seems Jordan will be his replacement, and Laura will be going home. I really don't want any of that group going home, but I'm glad that at least Jeff is safe.

Comp had something to do with counting money.

Well, no wonder it took four hours. This group can't get to twenty-one or higher without undressing.

Counting money? Highest total wins, but that total is taken off the grand prize if you win? The show's exactly that cheap...

The feeds just came back after a four-hour blackout, and first reports are making it look like Jeff took The Bling Of One-Week Safety. I don't think there's any way he can be talked into not using it on himself, much less waste it with a save of Laura -- so the question now becomes 'Who's Ronnie going to mistalk himself into backdooring?'

Sure, it might look like Russell now, but that was really so five minutes ago.

I'd just like to say that the bathroom feedmaster needs to be fired. Usually they mute their mics when someone enters the toilet, but I have heard more people peeing in this past week than I did through all of last years feeds. Thankfully I haven't yet been treated to the sound of a deuce, but I'm sure it's coming.

I know you all wanted to know that. You're welcome.

Sounds like there were a couple other winners in the POV:

Someone won $5000, which Chima complained should be upped to $10K.......
Natalie won a slop pass (only good for slop, must still stay in the Jail/Doom/Have Not room and take cold showers.....) Natalie complained that it should be converted into a Have pass, basically, for this season's twist........

Ugh! Natalie's slop pass is apparently a SEASON LONG pass, when it's usually only for a week, and she's effing complaining that it doesn't exempt her from the jail room and cold showers. Ungrateful little *bleeeeeeeeeep*

Jessie will probably make Natalie give it to him. Then he will get evicted and she will still have to eat slop. *hope*

LAST EDITED ON 07-19-09 AT 00:45 AM (EST)

Lots of interesting conversations tonight.

Ronnie was originally going to put Jordan up on the block after Jeff took himself down. The plan was to get rid of Laura. He brought Jeff and Jordan up to the HOH room and tried to weasel his way out of admitting it, but Jeff basically called him on all his crap and told him that he knows Ronnie is a liar, has been lying to him all week and he is not going to talk about game with him anymore because he knows Ronnie can't be trusted. It was pretty much awesome. Ronnie FINALLY admitted to Jeff/Jordan that he did lie about his vote to evict Chima, but of course he tried to spin it and say that he did it in their best interest. God, this guy. I can't even handle him. So, J/J were also trying to get him to say whether he was going to backdoor Russell (which Ronnie has stated was the plan all along) and he wouldn't. He was saying that he wanted Laura out, and didn't think they'd be able to get out Russell, and gee shucks guys I'm sorry my plan didn't work.

Meanwhile, in the recycle room, Chima/Lydia/Kevin were all talking about how it would be a great idea to get Russell out this week. (They all turned on him last night because he dared to talk to the "other side" and he also shouted a little at Lydia which of course she blew up into thinking that he was actually going to physically harm her. I can't handle her, either.) So then Lydia goes up to HOH they propose the BD Russell plan to her and she's all for it and tells them that Chima and Kevin are, too. Of course now Ronnie the Rat changes his whole tune and is all "yeah, let's do it! It'll be the biggest move ever! But you guys have to protect me next week." He's such a pansy.

A little while later, Ronnie/Chima/Kevin/Lydia pull Jordan up to HOH and tell her that they're going to BD Russell, but she has to promise that next week if she wins HOH she won't put any of them up (like, why does she really owe them anything?) and they also don't want her to tell Laura that she will be saved because they want her to "grovel" and be grateful that THEY saved her. But Lydia still hates her and wants her out next week. Then they all gang up on Jordan and tell her that she must start playing the game! Jordan's all "huh? I thought I was" but of course to them laying low and not being an idiot bully isn't "playing the game." Lydia said she was just playing summer beach party and tanning all the time. I can't believe these people. They are such a-holes! Oh, and somehow I guess this whole plan depends on Jessie's ok and safety, but I'm not sure how or why. These people are so in awe of him, they're playing his game for him! And earlier Natalie set aside a plate of pizza for him, like he can't serve himself. They wait on him hand and foot and it's weird and confusing.

OH! and one more thing (I'm really on a Lydia hating streak tonight). She said that she hates it when females act weak and don't stand up for themselves and act like victims and that's why she hates Laura. I can't even wrap my mind around this statement because that is exactly what Lydia does. She was so frightened last night that big bad Russ was going to hurt her, and she hates Jeff because he didn't defend her (why is that his job, again?) Seriously, haaaaaaaaaate.

ETA- Sorry if any of this is confusing. I'm not so good at doing detailed reports because these people talk so damn much and I can't remember everything that was said. And of course I have my biases against people I do and don't like.

Lydia and Chima need to learn these words to tell the DR: "I would like ________ thrown out on a rules violation, any physical attack being grounds for instant eviction...." and then just see if Russell will be dumb enough to actually follow through his words with physical violence.......

As far as the Jessie worship? Yeesh. I just have to hope he annoys them enough for the gang eviction.......

SS, I know exactly how you feel. The house talk is sooo frustrating because each little outburst by anyone is talked about, rehashed, recounted, explained, talked about again, rehashed and the recounted again. After that? The cycle starts all over again. This is exactly why I can't/won't do the live feeds ever again.

As for Lydia, can someone just put her out of my misery? Watching the Big Brother After Dark feeds just about put me over the edge last night. When I see her on the screen I just want to flip the channel. She is sooooooooo playing the victim role and then she has the b*lls to call someone else out on it? WTF?

I too don't get the whole Jesse worship sh*t. AND AND Jesse eats it up! URGH!

I am starting to hope Jessie does outlast his followers because they deserve it. Then Jessie can be booted and someone that doesn't bow down to him can win.

The constant game talk and rehashing everything is what sent Russell to talk to the other side. Even he needed some fresh air. It finally became obvious to Russell that there were people in the house that were having other conversations and having fun. Instead of his little group that holed up in a room to ##### about everyone and the game over and over and over again. But wanting to associate with anyone else is considered unacceptable to Jessie's little minions.

King Jessie has spoken and the backdoor Russell plan is nullified. Talk now is to put Casey up and sent Laura out the door.

I'm so frustrated with these people. Frickin' spineless worms. Chima is the only one still really pushing for Russell, so hopefully she'll be able to sway Ronnie back. Not that I really want Russell to go, but I'd rather keep Laura because she's on the side of the house that I like.

I appreciate the updates, Thanks, Silverstar! Thanks, Vince!

I don't understand why Jesse was able to scuttle getting Russell out. Surely if so many were on the dump Russell bandwagon, then one person-Jesse would not be enough to stamp out that possibility?

Are they all afraid of last season weasel-Jesse coming out and they want to keep him appeased? I don't get it. People, come on, he is not a celeb. He came back in the gorilla suit for Pete's sake!

Well, I still have like 45 minutes of the late night show and Ronnie Rat talked to Jesse and he (Jesse) discussed reasons to keep Russell. However, in the end, Jesse left it by telling Ronnie to do whatever he thought was the best thing for him (Ronnie). He then told them that he would do whatever Ronnie Rat wanted him to do. But hail...that was over 8 hours ago. They prolly already have a plan in place to noot Casey by now.

At this point I would love to see Russell win HOH next week. Then have him put Ronnie up. I would laugh and laugh.

BB has a way to make stuff like that happen...anything to keep the viewers.

In a move that surprised no one, Jeff took himself off the block and Ronnie replaced him with Jordan. It was going to be Casey going up, but Jordan told Ronnie off yesterday and called him on his BS, so of course the weasel used that as the reason to put her up. How dare anyone tell the truth in Ronnie's presence!

Which guarantees that the Popular clique will be down to only one member after Thursday's live eviction.......

4 Athletes
1 Popular
3 Brains
3 Offbeats

Well, we all knew Jordan was exactly that stupid...

So who is the pawn? Or are they happy with either one going? Ronnie was shown on the show talking about Laura being bright enough to figure him out so he wants her over Jordan, right?

Why wouldn't Ronnie put up Russell? Did he extract a promise to not get nommed or voted out if nommed from Russell and others?

>So who is the pawn?

As of right now, Jordan is the pawn and everyone wants Laura out.

>Why wouldn't Ronnie put up Russell?

Because he's a coward. And King Jessie told him not to.
If he had put Russell up, he had promises from Jeff, Jordan, Lydia, Chima and Kevin to vote Russell out (Casey and Michelle probably would have voted him out as well, but they weren't approached with the plan) and keep Ronnie safe next week. But King Jessie didn't like it (duh! Russell is in his clique, of course he wants to keep him!) so the plan died right there.

LAST EDITED ON 07-21-09 AT 04:47 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 07-21-09 AT 04:13 AM (EST)

...and will begin soon in BB viewer land. Ronnie's been outed. And not in a good way. For him. I, on the other hand, am going to savor it for awhile.

It all started when Laura went up to HOH to talk to Ron, fed him some BS, then he gets riled, and tries to convince Lydia, Nat, and chima to evict Jordan. They disagree, Ron sulks, Russ gets involved and calls Ron out.

From TVClubhouse: http://www.tvclubhouse.com/forum/messages/10972/6692644.html?1248162920

Jeff/Jordan/Nat/Casey in backyard wondering why Ronnie called Laura upstairs. Nat says Laura wanted to talk to him earlier and he didn't have time, then told her he had time then so come on up. Laura comes out and they ask her. Ask her if she told him Russ was getting votes for her? She said no.

Haha, Laura is going to get Russ/Ronnie together and talk to everyone about it!

Ronnie says something to Russell privately as they walk out the door, I didn't hear it.

Laura is questioning Ronnie about it. He says he's not being put on the spot. Laura calls Nat over and Nat repeats what was told.

Laura repeats she didn't ask anyone for votes, didn't tell him this stuff.

Russ asks him directly, Ronnie says he's not being put on the spot like that. Russ says fishy looking...he'll leave it like it looks (Ronnie says.)

Russ says he never said that to me, she never told you that....

Jordan wants everyone to see this, how the lies start. Russ says it looks like ROnnie is covering his tracks. (Laura was upset during this convo, crying about being thrown under the bus when no one likes her already.)

In the end, Russ tells Laura thanks for telling the truth.

Casey says they were the dumb 5 but he won't be dumb 5 again. I tried to switch feeds to follow russell, missed some and he's back outside with Casey and then telling them about the conversation he had with Ronnie.

Ronnie calls Chima up and tells her he wants to go home next week.
(he can't take his medicine he's been soooooooo busted and I only wish someone who knows how to record the events in the past two hours will YouTube it - its spinning out of control - everyone in the house is in uproar)

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ETA: An idea once floated by Chicken George has resurfaced. Talk in the BB house is a revolt to get Ronnie out this week! "We all go or HE goes!" Don't know where they're going to end up, but that's the most recent talk. One memorable evening in BB history!

And from the look of things on the review sites, Ronnie may have given some thought to quitting. (I guess he thinks he can't win Veto every week and then masterly debate the jury. Wonder why?)

This may be the most solid alliance in series history: Everyone vs. Dork Helmet. If it holds up beyond the usual duration for MSAISHs (twelve minutes), then no matter who wins HoH Thursday, Ronnie's either up, backdoored, or wins the Veto and gets strangled in his sleep...

LAST EDITED ON 07-21-09 AT 08:29 AM (EST)

We will see how long it takes the ADD to kick in. You gotta wonder if that much waffle shows up on a brain scan or something the way they can pick casts that change who is going home every 15 minutes.

Instaprediction. If the Everyone.V.Ronnie holds up until Thursday's broadcast you'll see the brains do the stupidest things to insta-tank the HOH competition.

ETA: a y that escaped.

LAST EDITED ON 07-21-09 AT 09:34 AM (EST)

Thursday we will see the "National Champion Persuader" go to work.

Or not.

You gotta wonder if that much waffle shows up on a brain scan

Y'did see the waffle image at Hamsterwatch, right? The universe likes a little light irony.

Yes I did.

Wonder if the DR helped stir the pot. The show needed some drama since Braden left.

Actually, the whole thing rolled out quite nicely without the aid of the DR. Except that just before the waffle hit the iron, Jesse was called to the DR. Then the fight began, and Jesse STAYED in the DR for probably a lot longer than he would have otherwise.

Besides, Ronnie didn't need any help from the DR. He fanned his own flames.

Gnat was the one who got the ball rolling, by telling Jesse what Ronnie said Laura said. Then Jesse and Gnat told Russ, who confronted Laura, and after much discussion, it was determined that Ronnie the Rat was indeed a Rat. Then they decided to call him out. The problem for Ronnie was that he left his super-duper, extra-superdoscious powers of persuasion up in the HoH bathroom.

Many a campfire story was told in the backyard after that, by all the HG's, while Ronnie sat in the HoH thinking about his next debate championship.

As far as I can tell, the only HG's I can see not being totally against Ronnie this morning are Jessie (was on the fence after being told what went down while he was in the DR), Kevin (who was quiet, although when he spoke, it was with great disdain against Ronnie and he said he didn't like all the yelling), and Lydiot.

Perpetual *headbutt* compliments of Rolly.