LAST EDITED ON 09-09-08 AT 09:15 PM (EST)

Now I hope Jerry wins #2 and #3 and boots that traitor Memphis out on his lying A$$!!!

Memphis pulls out the win for part 2 of HOH. Dan & Memphis goin' for the golden power of school yard pick 'em. Will Memphis win, take Jerry or Dan OR will Dan prevail and who will he choose. Or will there be another earthquake and the BB house fall into the ocean? Stay tuned.......

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Memphis won part 2 of the Final HoH trilogy.

Dan and Memphis will face off live tomorrow (Thursday) for the Final HoH. The 3rd part usually involves questions from the jury members........

If the winner of part 3 doesn't evict Jerry, he deserves to lose. Unfortunately, it might be Memphis's best chance to win......

I'm guessing that Memphis throws part 3 to Dan. Memphis can't evict Jerry or he'll lose Jerry's vote, and he already lost Keesha's vote, so he'll make Dan be the bad guy. I thought all the acting for Jerry was unnecessary, but really, it was brilliant.

Not long ago, I'd have said that Dan didn't have a snowball's chance in heck to win this game. Now, he's sitting dang pretty. I'm not sure that Ollie, April, or Jerry will be over their bitterness toward him, but the rest of them should vote Dan's way.

Keesha, Renny, Michelle, Libra for Dan

Ollie, Jerry, April possible spite votes against Dan, or if they vote on game play respect, they'll vote for Dan.

Its a good thing! I agree...if Jerry makes the final two the other one doesn't deserve anything.

Memphis wants Dan to swear on his cross that if Memphis throws Pt 3 to Dan that Dan will evict Jerry.

I don't think Dan is dumb or stupid and I have questioned Memphis' game play at times but if either one of them don't take the other...it has to be the dumbest move in BB history. Including Marcy not using the POV on himself. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

Doesn't the jury get to see all HOH comps and POVs? If so, wouldn't Keesha see that Dan totally threw the last POV? To me, the plan was obvious because we had Dan's commentary admitting that he was throwing the challenge, but will the jury see this?

I ask because if Keesha sees Dan throwing it, then she would have to realize that Dan and Memphis are working together and her boot was not totally Memphis.

If asked Dan could explain it to Keesha that he expected Memphis to boot Jerry not Keesha. Dan was going with the "Memphis double crossed me by booting Keesha" theme.

Dan and Memphis are taking each other to the Final 2. They both think they can win it on the jury questions. It will be interesting to see them both try to throw each other under the bus. I expect Dan will tell Memphis about the beach date with Michelle once Jerry leaves. Otherwise that could backfire when it is brought up during jury questions.

I believe the jury sees the comps but not the DR confessions.

From TVGrapevine, Dan wins final HO. Dan keeps Memphis and votes out Jerry.

Dan is just slicker than Owl snot. Best player of all time if he wins. Maybe even if he doesn't. Will was good, but Dan's machinations were supreme.

Final votes based on indications from tonight:
Keesha = Dan
Jerry = Memphis
Michele = Dan
Renny = Dan
Ollie = ? (Memphis, one would think?)
April = ? (Memphis, Ollie and April vote together?)
Libra = ? (Dan. Swing vote. Pure guess, but my money would be on Dan)

If Keesha, Michele, and Renny are voting for Dan, all he needs is one of the others. It is hard to see Ollie voting for Dan, so he probably also loses (ugh)April's vote too.

I think his fourth vote could be Libra, or even Jerry.

April ends up as the ugliest personality in the jury house, and Ollie is the most self-deluded, the bar for which (for both, actually) has been set mighty high. They do kind of complement each other.

I'm not sure how slick owl snot is...but have to agree with your assessment....Dan is THE MAN!!!WOO HOO!!!

You never know...Ollie just might vote for Dan. Emotions ran high when he got evicted. Spending time in the jury house just might have made him think about it more. But hey, that's just me. April's the vindictive one. She's definitely voting for anyone BUT Dan.

I predict Dan wins 5-2 with Jerry and April voting for Memphis.

As for the $25K, I predict Keesha winning it with Renny a close second.

My predictions:

Ollie: Memphis
April: Memphis
Michelle: Dan
Keesha: Dan
Jerry: Memphis
Libra: Dan
Renny: Memphis

The swing vote in my opinion is Renny. Renny knew all along Memphis needed to go. She knew he was her biggest threat. In the end it was Memphis who got her out. I just don't see how Renny votes for Dan.

Michelle can also take Dan's island get away as an insult that Dan thinks she is so gullable that because of this little twist she will vote for him. You gotta remember the Jury is basically in a vacation home anyways. Lunch on some beach with Dan for the afternoon is no where close to a vacation for a week in Hawaii. I think Michelle could go either Memphis or Dan.

The more I think about it I predict Memphis. Jury members vote more with their heart than brains.

I think Renny votes for Dan because of what Memphis did to Keesha.

Renny already didn't like Memphis and once Keesha gets to the jury house, Renny will have a real reason to dislike him.

Dan wins

I'm not discounting your argument at all. Plus, Renny was mad at the way Dan went about "Replacement Nominee Roulette." And Reny might be the one who could turn Keesha's vote to Memphis. Reny has and still does realize that Dan and Memphis have been together.

If Memphis can convince the jury that everything that happened was the two of them (Dan & Memphis) working together, he could win. Memphis didn't win any HOHs, Memphis was able to keep his hands clean through a lot of it. If Memhpis can convince the jury that he didn't have to do anythig because of Dan, he could win.

"The swing vote in my opinion is Renny. Renny knew all along Memphis needed to go. She knew he was her biggest threat. In the end it was Memphis who got her out. I just don't see how Renny votes for Dan."

?????

Was that a typo?

Or do you really think that because Renny hates Memphis and blames him for her boot, she will vote for him to win?

Nonsense. If Renny blames Memphis, and bases her vote on her anger toward Memphis, she will vote for Dan to win.

>Was that a typo?
>
>Or do you really think that
>because Renny hates Memphis and
>blames him for her boot,
>she will vote for him
>to win?
>
>Nonsense. If Renny blames Memphis, and
>bases her vote on her
>anger toward Memphis, she will
>vote for Dan to win.
>

Sometimes People actually, believe it our not, give credit to the one that got them booted. Memphis was responsible for Renny's boot and not Dan. Memphis is the one that got blood on his hands not Dan. Renny had stated many times that Memphis was playing Keesha and that it was Memphis that would break the two of them up....she said if 'we' don't watch it Memphis is going to take us down. I believe in Renny's eyes that Memphis was the real player in the game and not Dan. Many here want Dan to win, I think you gotta look at this more objectively....Renny could be more likely to vote for Memphis and not Dan. Believe me Renny is not going to vote for Dan because Memphis was meaner to her friend....this is Renny and Keesha we are talking about not Ollie and April....as far as I know I don't think Renny and Keesha slept together.

LAST EDITED ON 09-12-08 AT 02:56 PM (EST)

AFAIK they didn't, but they did have a really close friendship. I don't think you need to have sex to feel protective of someone.

For a long time Renny was going on about Memphis being a snake or sneaky or whatever exact words she used to describe him when it was about getting him out of the house sooner rather than later because he would backstab Keesha if he got the chance.. I'm not sure she saw that as good game play or not. It came across as she thought it was a dirty way to play the game. I think she believed it could be effective, but it didn't seem to be game play she respected.

But I wonder how Reny feels about Dan taking Michelle on the reward and then telling Keesha on her way out the door.

I think Renny is a sure vote for Dan. They were very close in the house, and Renny had never liked Memphis. The only way she could vote Memphis is if she thought he played a better game, and I don't think there is any way she can think Memphis played better than her friend Dan.

Yes, many of the jury were very upset with Dan, but was Dan worse to any of them than Evel Dick was in his season? Even those bitter jurors gave it up to the best player, and the best player this season is clearly Dan.

Ollie's response in the HOH pt 3 makes me think he just might vote for Dan to win. He didn't call trusting Dan as his biggest mistake. He talked about getting romantic with April. Ollie just might be thinking that Dan was the smart player and he himself was not playing the game.

If the jury members want to be remembered as fair and good players they will vote for Dan to win. They were all talking about what a player he was. Even April called Memphis a floater which is almost a dirty word to alot of reality contestants. Will the jury members want to be remembered as fair or bitter?

And Jerry will feel like a fool if he votes for Memphis over Dan. Memphis really hates Jerry. Dan at least tried to be nice to him even when Jerry was so mean to Dan. Memphis was having trouble keeping the disgust from his voice when talking with Jerry. If Jerry is the huge fan he claims. He should give the win to the best player and not who he mistakenly thinks wants to be friends with him after the show.

>Ollie's response in the HOH pt
>3 makes me think he
>just might vote for Dan
>to win. He didn't
>call trusting Dan as his
>biggest mistake. He talked
>about getting romantic with April.
> Ollie just might be
>thinking that Dan was the
>smart player and he himself
>was not playing the game.
>
>
>If the jury members want to
>be remembered as fair and
>good players they will vote
>for Dan to win.
>They were all talking about
>what a player he was.
> Even April called Memphis
>a floater which is almost
>a dirty word to alot
>of reality contestants. Will
>the jury members want to
>be remembered as fair or
>bitter?
>
>And Jerry will feel like a
>fool if he votes for
>Memphis over Dan. Memphis
>really hates Jerry. Dan
>at least tried to be
>nice to him even when
>Jerry was so mean to
>Dan. Memphis was having
>trouble keeping the disgust from
>his voice when talking with
>Jerry. If Jerry is
>the huge fan he claims.
> He should give the
>win to the best player
>and not who he mistakenly
>thinks wants to be friends
>with him after the show.
>

Have you seen previous seasons? Even last season, was Adam the best player?

As for Jerry and Memphis. First off Jerry doesn't have a clue as to Memphis actually disliking Jerry. He still thinks it is a possibilty that Memphis would've kept him over Dan.

Also, do not forget Jerry called Dan Judas. If you want to throw emotion out there as an excuse for Jerry to vote for Dan....you can not forget the emotion Jerry voted towards Dan. he even said he would NEVER vote for Dan.

Let's just think about it Jerry found out that Memphis was playing him all along.......he would probably still vote Memphis because it was Memphis that played him and not Dan.

We will see, but from past experience people tend to vote with their hearts over their brains. I think both Memphis and Dan were smart players. I think Dan was slightly better....probably because Dan's style was unique. Memphis was a great player who stole his plan from past players. Much of Memphis's style was the same as Ryan from last year......so who knows? Maybe Memphis loses like Ryan did last season.

>Have you seen previous seasons?
>Even last season, was Adam
>the best player?

I quit watching last season long before the end. So I was lucky enough not to see Adam win. I didn't think anyone last season deserved to win.

For Ollie's question, blaming Dan may be an obvious answer given his eviction scene, it probably was written by a BB staffer and not an answer Ollie gave.

I think once the glow of showmance dimmed and the world of semi reality started seeping through his hormone soaked brain Ollie did realize that he didn't play (the game) at all. Once April left he played a desperate beginners game of catch-up and invariably crashed and burned. April on the other hand is going to rant & rave about this injustice for years and Ollie may be beginning to realize and be horrified at his behavior in this once in a life time shot at big money.

It's my guess that he's fairly level headed generally and may chalk up Dan's antics as exactly what he (Ollie) deserved for his game performance. He could vote for Dan and wonder what in the world he was thinking for a long long time.

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>For Ollie's question, blaming Dan may
>be an obvious answer given
>his eviction scene, it probably
>was written by a BB
>staffer and not an answer
>Ollie gave.
>
>I think once the glow of
>showmance dimmed and the world
>of semi reality started seeping
>through his hormone soaked brain
>Ollie did realize that he
>didn't play (the game) at
>all. Once April left he
>played a desperate beginners game
>of catch-up and invariably crashed
>and burned. April on the
>other hand is going to
>rant & rave about this
>injustice for years and Ollie
>may be beginning to realize
>and be horrified at his
>behavior in this once in
>a life time shot at
>big money.
>
>It's my guess that he's fairly
>level headed generally and may
>chalk up Dan's antics as
>exactly what he (Ollie) deserved
>for his game performance. He
>could vote for Dan and
>wonder what in the world
>he was thinking for a
>long long time.
>

Again, I don't understand the Ollie didn't play the game...thoughts of people on this site. At the beginning Ollie was working everyone. he had two alliances and they were exposed. He was fortunate that April, Libra, and Keesha let him work his way out of it because brian never was given that chance. Ollie determined to betray his boys alliance for the girls alliance. At that point Ollie was in a powerful alliance. He was also position well in that alliance as the other three people in his alliance were more explosive then himself. So he likely was the least targeted in his alliance. ollie was positioned very nicely. The problem was that the others in his alliance combusted. So when you say he started to play the game I don't think he started to play the game at that point......he was in desperation at that point.

I guess I feel that he let his hormones rather than anything else dictate any strategy he had and once he was tied to April he seemed willing to let her and the rest of the alliance tell him what to do so he wouldn't mess up getting his nookie time.

Unfortunately in the position he was in there wasn't much room to have a plan B if anything disrupted plan A.

Sure being the quiet one in the alliance got him further than the loud fighting ones, but if you align with obvious targets likely to get booted sooner rather than later about the best you can hope for is to the the last one of your group standing. Especially if you don't have any other options. I don't think he bothered to make much connection with other people in the house and hoped he could just sit pretty until the end being the least obnoxious one of the group he'd get the money if they didn't implode mid game which I thought seemed likely early in the game.

If he could have done something to hold them together and keep the volatility under control he might have been able to get that group to the end and win compared to the rest of them. Letting them go off and destroy themselves just so you won't be the target this week doesn't get you to the end. If you intend to get to the end with someone no one can vote for you have to still make friends with people other than the hated ones and make sure the hated one is protected enough to make it to the end game. Using them as a human shield and not doing much else just gets them booted too soon and you shortly after them.

I don't believe those are the people he would have gone with had he not been more interested in keeping up his sexual relationship with April than winning the money. Maybe she's his soul mate and what he will have won in the game is a life long marriage that will be worth more to him than any money. However, I doubt it.

I understand in those pressure situations you may develop feelings for someone. I think the wise course is to wait until the show is over to act on them. Just because something feels real in a very artificial situation you can't get out of doesn't mean that it is anything that will survive in the real world when you have real choices. Letting your sex drive determine who you chose to align with may not be the best way to pick people that will both stick with you and will help you get to the end.

I don't believe exposing Brian and joining with April was any great game plan. I think it was all about Ollie thinking below the belt. He wanted in April's bed and was willing to go along with whatever her and her allies said. He babbled like a little boy to April about his talks with Dan, etc. Libra and April took over and planned the big boot of Brian. Ollie then hid behind them. Instead of working the game for later he hid out in bed with April. Even the other HGs laughed how you could always find Ollie following April around. Becoming an obvious couple in the house has never been a great game plan. It is more likely to put a bullseye on your back. Even Ollie finally agreed he screwed up gamewise. He got distracted by April. It was a summer of sex and swim club for Ollie.

LAST EDITED ON 09-12-08 AT 04:22 PM (EST)

My feeling on the Final 2.

Before the questions tonight, here's where I think they're leaning.......

April, Ollie, Jerry, Michelle are leaning toward Memphis over Dan and Keesha, Renny, and Libra are leaning toward Dan over Memphis.

Now, tonight is the grilling by the jury. As we saw last year, on both Big Brother and on Survivor, an eloquent speech to the jury can sway even your enemies into voting for you.........

More likely than not, Dan will be able to convey his message better to the jury than Memphis, plus those late season competition wins will be helpful to his cause.........

Can Memphis win? Yes. Will he win? Dunno.

But so far, no clues as to what they were. Dan mumbled something about having 2 votes, and Memphis needing something but "didn't even speak to them".

I'll come back with more if I can.

Dan said Ollie and April didn't even speak to Memphis. And the guys think whoever gets April's vote gets both of April/Ollie votes.

Dan thinks he needs Renny's vote to win. Jerry was mad at Memphis and said they had no remorse.

Memphis knows about Michelle going on the trip with Dan and he thinks Dan will get Michelle's vote because of that.

Neither guy seems too confident and figure it is a toss up who wins.

Dan and Memphis talked earlier in the day that they were told the jury would be sequestered separately after jury questions. Sounded like the jurors would each go to a separate hotel room after the questions/speeches and make their decision alone without influence from each other. Also then the jury members don't know who wins either. So much for Jerry's threats of influencing the jury.

Sunday's show was a waste of the Space/Time continuium.

I think I understood something that I missed before, when Renny was having the fit on the first night about the bedroom door being locked shut. Which was that she thought it was locked because she was pushing instead of pulling?

And of course, the time zone discussion. She was getting mad because Dan questioned her knowledge of time zones, about which she was completely wrong.

The editor's painted her as a not-too-smart broad anyway, but it turns out that they were actually being kind.

That is what it looked like to me both originally and in the repeat of that incident.

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