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"Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"

Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 05:03 PM
Please keep all sigpic-free discussion of tonight's 'a week in an hour, live' double-elimination speed round on this thread until midnight EDT, by which time the West Coast will have seen just howb badly Julie's mistakes screwed everything up. We're supposed to expect someone who can't remember who she's supposed to be barely interviewing can get two HoH competitions, one Veto run, and two evictions right? In a row? WIth no real time for breaks, barely any time for the production staff to try and correct her, and a margin for error that approaches zero? Good luck. Zach may win HoH tonight. The first HoH. And then he may win the one after that. Win the Veto Blingie, and you may be automatically evicted. Sit down on the nomination seat, fall through a hole into Kid Nation, which should finally give Daniele a place where she and her maturity level feel right at home. In fact, the only thing almost guaranteed to not happen tonight is a look at Sequesterville, and even that could come up if one of Julie's viruses manages to reach the control panel.

So remember: this is a week in an hour, live. All the horrible mistakes that normally take seven days to accomplish, complete in sixty minutes, or heads will roll. Zach's first, since we know it isn't completely attached.

Stay tuned. If we're very lucky, Mark Cuban will try to send the entire network to instant replay.


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"Previously on Big Brother -- "
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 07:39 PM
-- eight people were evicted from the house.

Julie has no idea who any of them were.


"*snerk*"
Posted by vince3 on 09-06-07 at 07:42 PM
It's day 69 in the house!

and there's gonna be a cell-phone live vote for Eric!


"Bacstab complete"
Posted by vince3 on 09-06-07 at 07:54 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-07 AT 07:54 PM (EST)

Backstab...........

Votes to evict:

Eric: Jameka
Dick: Jessica
Daniele: Jessica

*sigh*

Jessica's gone 2-1 and Eric's not happy about it........

The person that Julie calls to lead the hamsters back into the house after one of the comps is Eric's target to evict (if he can vote that is.....)


"First segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 07:57 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-07-07 AT 06:48 AM (EST)

Julie can pronounce 'tumultous'! The speech synthesizer is hot tonight!

Oh, great -- so much for Eric's one day of relative freedom. Julie just told everyone to get their cell phones out: we're going to be calling in with our instant-message votes. Wonder how they're going to get away with putting Eric in the DR during a live hour?

Recap of house events that seem to be leading up to Jessica's eviction -- right now, they have to be very careful about how much time they use, and every second spent in looking back can't be used for the live events. Dick is DRing about making Jameka feel that she's going home all week, then pulling her aside ten minutes before showtime and offering her a deal -- one he's sure she'll take. Jameka, who's crying about all the people she's playing for, probably will take it. But it's not because she's selfish -- right, Amber?

Jameka tells Jessica what Dick let her in on: she's going home. The chain of information then links to Eric. Jessica's dubious -- don't trust the results until it happens, although Eric's reassurance makes her feel a little better. Eric is absolutely DR confident that D&D are following through on this. Silly Eric.

AP's vote is in -- America has voted for Jameka to go out. Eric is very relieved not to have been screwed over on that front.

Eric goes up to Daniele and asks her directly if Jessica's going. Daniele lies. 'Chill out, you freak.' That's Daniele's idea of reassurance.

Into the living room we go -- live! And Julie starts with the announcement of the week in the hour. Daniele, who's been denying this all week, can't be taking this well.

Jameka gets to make her speech. Enjoyed her time here, hopes it isn't ending tonight, good decisions, bad decisions, her word is good, strategy first, conversations later, hopes she's still here.

Jessica's turn. Thought Carol's presence would be the hardest week in the house, but it's being next to Jameka that's been hardest. If she stays, she stays, may the best person win.

Votes:

Eric: Jameka. Julie instructs him on his next task: whoever she asks to lead the pack back into the house after the competition is America's target for eviction.

Dick: Jessica. Wants to get this show on the road, seems pumped about the live twist.

Daniele: Jessica. (What a shock.) Whines about being really nervous, nothing's sunk in. Claims to have had an idea that this was possible. Liar.

2-1: Jessica's out. We are about to see Nuclear Eric try to detonate all over the cage. Wonder if he brought the fuses.

Announcement. Jessica hugs Jameka, hugs and kisses Eric. Dicl lies about being really sorry. Eric whisper-vows that he's going to do it for Jessica now. Double-hug with Jameka & Eric. Out the door.

Jessica's crying a little as she comes out to Julie.

Eric is not surprised by the results, but tells the others he understands. He would have just appreciated being told, so he could have two days with her knowing they were the last days. He's offended by this. Daniele starts to claim that she did tell Eric -- and we cut out to the interview.

Can we ignore the interview? Of course we can. Except that Jessica admits to loving Eric in some fashion, and they'll see if anything happens outside the house.

Goodbye messages. Dick claims to be sorry.
Zach claims to be sorry.
Daniele hopes it's not taken personally -- and she's sorry.
Jameka isn't sure why she's recording this because it's supposed to be her.
Eric is going to be a maniac as long as he stays, fighting for Jessica's honor. And BTW? He loves her.

Interview ends. HoH competition starts now. Everyone into the backyard. Reminder: this is Jameka's last sit-out competition. If she survives the next vote, she can play again.

Text your votes to control Eric's target now. If Eric gets HoH, he must nominate the highest vote-getter. If that person is HoH, Eric must target the person in second place.

Commercials.



"RE: First segment."
Posted by bdemoney on 09-06-07 at 08:07 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-07 AT 10:02 PM (EST)


Not a good spot for Eric to be in right now.

On one hand if he gets HOH he might be told to nominate Jameka and Zach instead of ##### and Daniele.

(Edited to ask: Does America control only one of his nominations or both?)

Yet if he doesn't win he stands a good chance of being put up and voted out.

Kind of sucks either way for him right now...


"RE: First segment."
Posted by AyaK on 09-06-07 at 08:07 PM
D!ck wins HoH, as Eric pulls out a come-from-ahead loss.

"RE: First segment."
Posted by AZ_Leo on 09-06-07 at 08:17 PM
Text your votes to control Eric's target now.

So do you think they will put up some message for the rest of the country that this doesn't apply? Or will they just let the idiots who don't realize that this is not a live show go ahead and spend their money?



A smokeysmom original


"Second segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:07 PM
There's been a fair amount of waste time so far -- we've got to be looking at two very fast competitions. The second HoH can always run overtime, but the first one and Veto have to be wrapped up in twenty-five minutes or less.

And we're back.

More waste time -- wait, that's just Julie speaking. Automatic, I know...

Isolation booths again, combined with the stairs. Game is 'before or after'. Step back from the center for before, forward for after. Eight questions.

Jen cried over picture before or after Amber cried over nomination? Before. All right.

Amber handcuffed b/a Joe had the pie? After. All right.

Jameka say during veto that her actions should align with her words b/a Nick shaved his head? After. Only Daniele got it right.

Julie asked Dustin about his shirt b/a Julie asked Jameka to rethink giving up HoH plays? After. Daniele got it wrong, others got it right. Tied.

Jen's negative vibes speech b/a unitard? After. Eric & Daniele in lead.

Lobster tails b/a streaking incident? Before. Eric & Dick get it right: Eric in lead.

Jen win 2nd POV b/a the banner plane? After. D&D got it right. Eric & Dick are tied.

During veto meeting, Daniele journey speech b/a no one wants to be in this chair? Before. Dick is the only one to get it right.

Dick wins HoH.

Daniele is America's choice for nomination. Good luck with that, Eric. Daniele is asked to lead the others back into the house. Nominations in a few minutes.

Dick as HoH -- gee, wonder who's going up.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 09-06-07 at 08:10 PM
Is it just me or did they increase Julie's speech rate for this show?

"Third segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:12 PM
Can we solve the mystery of Dick's nominations before they occur? Let's see -- what did I predict over on the other thread? Is there any chance that my 'if Jessica is out' scenario will come through here? If so, we're looking at Eric & Jameka. Daniele has exactly one commercial breaks' worth of time to whine her father into doing something else.

Kid Nation commercial. Y'know, I still really like that song...

And we're back.

Nominations are -- not instant. Last-minute strategy talk going on. Eric whispering to Jameka: can't make it out. Something about five minutes. Dick admits to guessing on the last question to Eric. Eric thought himself out of the race.

Eric proposes Daniele & Zach while he still has time. Dick tries to take it about as seriously as you'd think.

And here's the nominations -- Eric & Jameka.

Gee.

Apparently this is the only thing in reality television I can actually predict.

Veto competition after the break.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by J Slice on 09-06-07 at 08:20 PM
::lightbulb!::

If Zach uses veto, and they can't put him up, then Dani goes up automatically. Which would make a 2-0 vote to get her out.


"Fourth segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:21 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-07 AT 08:26 PM (EST)

Eric is having one miserable hour. Let's see if it has any chance to improve. Right now, his only possible personal partial victory is to take Veto: hoping Zach wins, takes him off, and forces Daniele onto the block is way too much to ask for.

Backyard switch should be just about over -- there, we're back.

Julie wastes some more seconds on recapping the previous segments. Competition is called Niagra Falls. (Amber's involved?) Several thousand rubber balls are about to fall on the hamsters. Collect only green ones, place eight in your tube first, win veto. And here come the balls! There's balls everwhere! The houseguests are wearing helmets to protect them from the ball falls, but Daniele is still complaining about how much the impact hurts.

Jameka's got three. No real updates on the others -- there, D&D have one each. Eric has two.

I'm counting on Julie's updates. How much does this svck?

Sound keeps cutting out...

Zach ties with Jameka: three each. Balls continue to fall. Daniele keeps whining. Zach goes to four. Eric to three. Jameka to five. Still more endless Daniele whining.

Someone gets disqualified -- sounded like Daniele or Jameka. Daniele, I think -- she put a blue ball in the tube -- no, it's Jameka: she's out. Getting this on audio right now.

Zach gets to seven.

Zach wins veto.

Okay -- Zach can disrupt the nominations with absolute safety, and he can play for HoH in a few minutes with Dick supremely vulnerable. Will he take the chance? Stay tuned...



"RE: Fourth segment."
Posted by Bebo on 09-06-07 at 08:22 PM
Jameka DQed for blue ball.

Eric was frantically trying to explain to Zach why he had to use POV to force ED to put up Dani. They could guarantee her eviction if he gets through to him.



"RE: Fourth segment."
Posted by Bebo on 09-06-07 at 08:24 PM
POV not used. Zach decides to settle for third place.


"RE: Fourth segment."
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-06-07 at 09:50 PM
UGH!!! I knew I had stopped watching this show for a reason. Zach is a f*cking moron!! Is this stooge really content with just being the Donato's sidekick?? I hate these people.

"RE: Fourth segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:45 PM
Thanks. When you're working audio and Daniele does nothing but whine, first instinct is that she's probably the one who's out. (Oh, if only -- if Zach had shown Testicle #1, then Daniele would have been voted out 2-0...)

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by J Slice on 09-06-07 at 08:24 PM
Zach, you effing moron.

"Fifth segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:25 PM
And we're back! Will Zach force Daniele onto the block? If so, he and a choice of Eric or Jameka will control the vote... this is the big chance to break up the Donatos...

Dick talking to/about someone named Rich -- production person, probably.

Veto speeches: Jameka, out of breath, repeats herself.

Eric: No expectations you're going to use this, but vote smart, give me a fair chance to play, the jury hates me.

Zach: Stall, stall -- not going to use it. So much for the one great chance to destroy the family pairing.

Zach? Is an idiot. This was the golden chance to take Daniele out with a grand total of nothing Dick could do about it -- and he passed it up. Exactly what is Zach's goal in this game? How is he trying to advance his chances? Does he really think he can avoid being a target?


"RE: Fifth segment."
Posted by vince3 on 09-06-07 at 08:28 PM
Why do I have a feeling that America's couple is gonna both be on the Early Show?

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by AugustGirl on 09-06-07 at 08:31 PM
Zach is a first class moron. He deserves fourth place.

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 09-06-07 at 08:34 PM
I hope Jameka wins the next 2 HoHs and she wins the whole thing now! That'll teach them to not get rid of her during the HoH strike!

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by AugustGirl on 09-06-07 at 08:44 PM
In my twisted world, the best scenario would be a final two of Jameka and Zach, with Jameka winning.

The worst is a Donato final with Dani winning. *vomit*


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 09-06-07 at 09:54 PM
Augie,
The producers should just give the money to Danorexia already so the rest of us can move on with our lives. That's what the producers have been aiming for the entire season anyway. Give the money to the little whinny b!tch and wrap up this dreck once and for all.

"Sixth segment."
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:37 PM
So we come back from Zach's Folly, and it's time for the vote. Shall we go for the threepeat and have Jameka make the same speech yet again?

Eric tried. He tried to talk Zach into using the veto, but -- Eric's had very little time to work here, and he's not Will, is he?

Julie wastes more time on recap. Presumably she's trying not to forget what just happened. Vote starts after the pleading. Julie mentions the jury house. We still have one?

Jameka: not fun to be on the block this many times, but it's how the game works. Vote for not just advancing yourself, but -- she keeps her word!

Eric: he's disappointed, surprised to be in this position, the power is in their hands, he's been good to the voters, he's kept his own word, he could have knocked any of the voters out and didn't, they breached that trust earlier but -- he was good to them, be good to him, give him a fair chance.

Dick will break any ties. Like there's going to be any ties.

Votes:

Zach: votes to evict Eric.
Daniele: votes to evict Eric.

America just lost another war.

Eric gets the news. Hugs for Jameka. Eric tells the others to keep in mind that they sent the Philly lawyer to the jury -- but he's not leaving with sour grapes, best regards and luck. Daniele sends a message to Jen. Eric hopes to catch her in a shark attack. (Jen, not Daniele. So far.)

Well, at least Eric & Jessica get some time together, right?

Julie greets America's player.

Good Jobs all around in the house. Audio cuts out for a second again. Jameka is wondering if the blue ball was put in her tube or bounced in. Dick not wanting to hear it.

Back to the interview. Eric, megafan, feels he played the best game he could under the circustances, and the people who voted him out would have been out if he'd been able to make his own decisions. Okay, he's a little bitter here, but he's sort of entitled. Julie doesn't seem to understand this concept: Eric could have done better on his own? In fact, who's Eric?

Oh, he's the one who was showmancing Jessica -- wrong. Eric says he found something wonderful and real. Something which did not get in the way the game. He's just sad that his AP role may have undercut her game.

Eric's AP cash total: $40,000.

Eric is told that he will join Jessica in the jury house. The rumors of individual sequester get a little bit squelched.

And -- sure enough -- those recap bits took up essential time. As with the first time they tried this, we don't have time for the second HoH competition. Come back on Sunday to see who wins.

Stupid Chenbot.

Dick complains about getting another Nick question wrong -- and we're out.




"America's Player"
Posted by cahaya on 09-06-07 at 08:45 PM
Eric handled that interview nicely, expressing himself very well.

He really did consider it to be an honor to be America's Player, and kudos to him for doing it! I think he was right in that it adversely affected his own game by taking away his options.


"RE: America's Player"
Posted by MarkP on 09-06-07 at 09:44 PM
>Eric handled that interview nicely, expressing
>himself very well.
>
>He really did consider it to
>be an honor to be
>America's Player, and kudos to
>him for doing it! I
>think he was right in
>that it adversely affected his
>own game by taking away
>his options.
>
>

I think Eric took it to an extreme when he did not have to. He was told to get Amber nominated and he did. When he won power of veto he could have used it to have Jess put Daniel up. All America told him was who to get nominated (accomplished) and who to vote out. He could have voted for Amber to leave and Dani still could have left. He had plenty of wiggle room to shake things up but his fear of ED had as much say with his decision as America did. Every step of the way he told America "I agree with you" so either he was lying then or now. I think his speech was a bit of a copout.


"Disagree"
Posted by AyaK on 09-06-07 at 11:08 PM
If he had used veto to take Zach off the block, Jess would have nominated Dani. But how would that have helped -- how would he have explained to Jess his vote to oust Amber under those circumstances, which in fact would have led to Amber's ousting by a 3-1 vote (Eric, D!ck, Zach v. Jameka)?

I'm sorry, but Eric knows what he's talking about.

It's easy to blame Eric, but I think he played a great game considering the limitations inherent in being "America's Player." Thanks to America, the evil Donatos will win -- and that's a shame, but maybe there are some fools out there (like Queen of Fools Janelle) who will be pleased by that outcome.


"RE: Disagree"
Posted by MarkP on 09-06-07 at 11:42 PM
>If he had used veto to
>take Zach off the block,
>Jess would have nominated Dani.
> But how would that
>have helped -- how would
>he have explained to Jess
>his vote to oust Amber
>under those circumstances, which in
>fact would have led to
>Amber's ousting by a 3-1
>vote (Eric, D!ck, Zach v.
>Jameka)?
>
>

Couldn't Eric have then saved Amber and kept Zach on the block? He mission was to get her nominated which he did - where was it written he couldn't then use the POV to save her? Doesn't America vote after the POV ceremony for who Eric should get out? Then America may have told Eric to oust Dani and Eric would have accomplished his 2 tasks - get Amber nominated and vote out Dani by a 3-1 vote (Amber, Jam, Eric vs. #####). Eric proclaimed he wanted ED/Dani gone but he could not do it because of America. I say he could have done it easily while still accomplishing his tasks. Am I missing something here?


"RE: Disagree"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 00:01 AM
We don't know what the exact terms of Eric's deal with the producers was, but I thought that he wasn't allowed to use the veto to take off someone that America nominated.

I could be wrong, but I thought he had to leave Amber on the block.


"RE: Disagree"
Posted by MarkP on 09-07-07 at 01:00 PM
>We don't know what the exact
>terms of Eric's deal with
>the producers was, but I
>thought that he wasn't allowed
>to use the veto to
>take off someone that America
>nominated.
>
>I could be wrong, but I
>thought he had to leave
>Amber on the block

Thats the 1st I have heard of that. My bet is he could have taken Amber off the block but he made that non-move on his own. He boasted of getting Amber booted in his dr session ("thats who America wanted, that was the right choice, thats who I wanted")but if he truly wanted the Donatos gone as he said last night then he could have said as much to America as opposed to lying (did the terms in his deal with the producers also state that he had to lie to America in his dr sessions?) It sure seems to me that Eric is blaming America for his lousy decision in that case. Eric is as phoney as they come and he proved that by trashing ED to no end (even went as far as to say Dani was having ED's baby when he was hiding in the HOH room for a week) but kissing his butt the entire time he was face to face with him - even after ED betrayed him. Now he blames America for the Donatos being there. This guy is a gem.



"RE: Disagree"
Posted by Glass on 09-07-07 at 03:13 PM
Don't forget that still doesn't solve the Zach problem. Under that scenario, Zach is still nominated by Jessica and presumably nominates her on his following HOH next to Jameka or Amber.

During the fast forward, Jess still goes, ##### still wins HOH, Zach still wins veto and Eric is still gone because Amber and Jameka won't vote against each other.

Eric's problems began when America forced him to evict Dustin. America forced him into an alliance he didn't want. And he might have STILL gotten away with it if not for four disastrous competitions in a row.

Eric had to take a risk. Zach wasn't supposed to win HOH. If he hadn't, things might have been better. Eric's position would have been a million times better if he'd been allowed to position himself with people who were trying to evict the Donatos. I completely agree that America's Player screwed up his game. Being forced to the end with an unbreakable alliance? How are you supposed to get over that?



"RE: America's Player"
Posted by drebaby on 09-07-07 at 00:06 AM
Maybe this was discussed weeks ago, but did Eric have to honor America's choice on the eviction votes? It seems like the first couple of weeks he had the option and he agreed, but it appears in the last 4-5 weeks that Jules automatically gave the answer without him even objecting to it.

I mean if America had voted to get rid of Jessica would he have complied and voted that away or did he have the option to say no? I know it was all about collecting some extra cash of his own but if he could of ignored some of those Americafoolish choices, one or both of the Donatos could be sitting in the jury house.......


"RE: America's Player"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 11:58 AM
Executive producer Allison Grodner said Eric didn't have the option of rejecting America's choice for eviction; America's vote was automatically his vote.

I'd love to see the DR when Eric was informed that he had to vote for Dustin to be booted instead of D!ck, after Dustin had gone out of his way to save Eric the week before.


"Timeline for the remining shows:"
Posted by vince3 on 09-06-07 at 08:39 PM
Sunday: F4 HoH and nominations
Tuesday: POV, live Veto and eviction meeting. Phase 1 of Final HoH begins.
Thursday: Phase 2 shown and live Phase 3 of the Final HoH who determines the Final 2
Sunday 9/16: no mention, but they gotta show Jury footage sometime, right?
Tuesday 9/18: Big Brother 8 Finale, Reunion and also Eric's revelation to the hamsters his role as AmERICa's Player, I imagine.

"RE: Timeline for the remining shows:"
Posted by MarkP on 09-06-07 at 09:35 PM
Is ED allowed to play for the HOH Sunday? Everyone plays in the final one right?

"Right"
Posted by AyaK on 09-06-07 at 11:10 PM

"Wait, wait..."
Posted by Glass on 09-07-07 at 03:17 PM
Actually, doesn't everybody play in part one of the Final Three? I thought the final HOH was the first one where the previous HOH can play.



"RE: Wait, wait..."
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 03:22 PM
Yes, I thought that was the question above. The final 3 HoH will apparently take place on Tuesday, and Zach plus the other 2 remaining contestants (Jameka? Donatos?) will be able to compete in it.

"Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Estee on 09-06-07 at 08:39 PM
-- in the Live Chat area, sidebar, enable Java, head for AyaK's and start drinking.

Please understand if I slow down a lot from this thread.



"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by MarkP on 09-06-07 at 09:31 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-07 AT 09:33 PM (EST)

Is there any chance that Eric got himself evicted when he practically bent over bowing to the Donatos for such a great strategic move betraying him and getting Jess out? If he was so impressed with that move than the Donatos must have figured he would be doing cartwheels when he got sent home next. A little bitterness may have given him another week for so that any hard feelings could be ironed out and they could have secured his vote (which we know is actually two votes). I'm not so sure ED would have been so pleasant if the tables were turned and Dani got the sucker punch?


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by maryellennaco on 09-06-07 at 11:11 PM
Oh Lawdy,Miss Claudy.....
I can't BELIEVE I'm saying this but here goes: ANYBODY BUT DANIELE wins, and I'll be all right with it.

She's SUCH a whining little baby, that even if ED wins; it would OK.

Jameka? Fine. The only part I think is sucky is her "It's all been PRE-ORDAINED" Jeez!!! Now her winning would be a bona-fide MIRACLE and we've all witnessed it on our own televisions!
Sainthood can't be far behind! (wait, does her religion believe in SAINTS?)

Zach? The message would be: EVEN NUMBNUTS can win!
(Oh, that already happened! last year!)

ED? Fine, he's been okay when he hasn't been on the ropes. Personally, since he's the only one OVER 40,it would be GREAT if he won. Maybe then,they'd cast a FEW folks over 25-30 years old. That's all I've got.

Daniele? OK, does anyone remember when she was telling ED Waaayyy back when, at the first of the game, that she LIED about how OLD she was? That she'd told "them" that she was already 21, when she was really 20??
Think that makes a difference to SeeBS?

Or am I just grasping at straws here?


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by observer on 09-07-07 at 00:10 AM
Zach wins F4 HOH.

"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by maryellennaco on 09-07-07 at 00:16 AM
NOW,we'll get to see if the old brain cell is working!

"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by MarkP on 09-07-07 at 00:17 AM
>Zach wins F4 HOH.

Dani is back to whining - what a shocker. Zach now has to put on one Donato - his head must be exploding. It doesn't really matter since the only way one of them go home is if Jam wins POV...I have as much chance of winning that as she does (and Zach is very content coming in 3rd so Donatos are safe from him).


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by maryellennaco on 09-07-07 at 00:27 AM
Question is: Can Zach put up the "right' Donato???

"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 12:01 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-07-07 AT 12:05 PM (EST)

He's going to nominate D!ck and Dani both. So the right one has to be in there somewhere....


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Estee on 09-07-07 at 12:10 PM
I think we may be on the verge of answering a really fun question; just how selfish is Daniele? Because with both Donatos on the block and still able to compete for Veto -- well, I can see Dick winning it and saving Daniele, trusting that she'll vote to keep him as the only person eligible to vote at all. But if Daniele wins, she'll take herself off -- and from there, there's no guarantees as to how she'll vote. Is she stupid & bratty enough to dump her father at this stage, getting rid of the only person in the house who's guaranteed to support her and going for his jury vote instead? You'd think (or at least hope) that no one would be that dumb --

-- but we are talking about Daniele.



"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Glass on 09-07-07 at 03:22 PM
Remember, this HOH means nothing more than immunity. The nominations means nothing.

The veto winner is the only person who votes this week.



"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Estee on 09-07-07 at 03:26 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-07-07 AT 03:32 PM (EST)

The question on the board is basically 'If Danielle is the only one voting, is she stupid, arrogant, and bratty enough to vote her father off?'

And I'm pretty sure she's got those last two factors wrapped up.


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 03:30 PM
Naah. She told her dad last night (in between whines) that if either of the Donatos won veto, it would be bye-bye, Jameka.

"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Estee on 09-07-07 at 03:33 PM
At this point in the game, I'm just amazed that Daniele has an in-between for her whines. I thought we went continuous around Day Fifteen.

"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book"
Posted by AyaK on 09-07-07 at 03:28 PM
Not quite -- if Zach wins veto, he still doesn't get to vote -- only Jameka does.

But you're right about the importance of the Final Four veto. Even a complete dumba$$ can stay in the game for a few more days if she wins it. Right, Janelle?


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 09-07-07 at 04:17 PM
>Remember, this HOH means nothing more
>than immunity. The nominations means
>nothing.
>
>The veto winner is the only
>person who votes this week.
>
>
>
>

Not totally correct. The Veto Winner could be Zach. Then he could chose who he wants to vote.



"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by sencnes on 09-07-07 at 04:52 PM
As much as I was highly disappointed in Jessica and Eric's departure. Look at who is left..

Two Complete Floaters, and I use the term correctly, Zack did NOTHING the whole show as well as Jameka. Jameka admittedly couldn't do anything with HOH for weeks, Zack did the only thing he needed to do once.

Two Complete backstabbers, This session is the perfect example of why you don't let Floaters continue in the game, because the backstabbers will win.

Eric played the game he HAD to play, I often thought "OK he can just ignore the task." and in some ways he maybe should have, but what would that have got him. A pissed off America telling him to nominate Jessica, and vote her out at every turn.

Eric's game had to keep America happy so they would at least be on his side, and keep in the game. It's unfortunate Zack's got the game play of a sea cucumber because I think he would have won in the end if he used the veto, forced ##### to put Dani up and voted her ##### out. I don't think the house would give Jameka the cash over Zach because all Zach has to say is, I got D&D out (That's the winning argument right there) Zach vs Eric would have been tough call but again Zach would have looked like the hero.

Instead you have an anorexic that can stand on a beam 1/16th of a inch wide for a week and not get hungry or lose balance in the final HOH which is usually balance/stamina related.

The only HOPE Zach has of winning is if it's an HOH where you have to hold yourself up. ##### has zero stamina, Dani doesn't have the strength to do it even though she probably weighs 65lbs.

I'm going to toss out a prediction here with Zach's HOH.

1) Jamika and ##### go up (Because ##### will say DO NOT put Dani up I want to go up)
2) Jamika wins POV because Zach is safe he doesn't care who is playing and there is no reason to win POV unless he wants to pull ##### or Jamika off, which isn't going to happen. ##### can't win a POV of this magnitude it's always something stamina related. Dani thinks she'll be safe regardless of who wins, ##### wins he keeps the same, Jamika win, pulls herself off, putting Dani on the block, and because of Jamika's hatred of #####, he is gone.
3) ##### leaves the house.
4) Dani wins last HOH.
5) Dani boots Jamika out, because she'll think he is too much of a threat.
6) Zach wins BB8.


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by nailbone on 09-07-07 at 10:32 PM
I often thought "OK he can just ignore the task."

He could not ignore the task, especially the votes. Julie didn't even give him the chance to do otherwise.



"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by sencnes on 09-08-07 at 01:07 PM
>I often thought "OK he
>can just ignore the task."
>

>
>He could not ignore the task, especially the votes. Julie didn't even give him the chance to do otherwise.
>
>


What I'm saying is he didn't "have" to ignore Jessica, he didn't "have" have do the imitation of D!ck, he didn't "have" to lobby to put someone on the block. The only thing he was forced to do was vote for who America voted for. The rest of the tasks he could have ignored. I'm saying he didn't really have a choice, if he chose not to do the tasks America would have really started to vote the more difficult task to perform.


"RE: Live post-episode discussion and calling Zach every name in the book --"
Posted by Snidget on 09-08-07 at 01:24 PM
The way I read the one interview about it, it did not sound like he had the option to completely ignore the task, that there needed to be a good faith effort.

If I were the producer and I didn't want my player to just say screw it I won't do it at all anymore then that would mean no more money could be accrued, and maybe even money already earned would be forfeited.



"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by maryellennaco on 09-08-07 at 10:55 AM
Oh my Gawd, Zach's one brain cell seems to be working overtime!!
BOTH Donatos?? Who knew he had it in him?

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by brvnkrz on 09-09-07 at 10:05 AM
Unfortunately, Clubhouse shows that Dani won the POV. So Jameka is on her way home and we are stuck with the WORST final 3 in BB history.

RIP, Bill Walsh

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by KaysarGOTjipped on 09-09-07 at 11:53 AM
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Maggot and Evette were THE WORST two finalist in BB history! Neither one of them deserved the money.

You might not like ##### but at least he's played the game from the moment he entered that house. He didn't sit on his A $$ reading the bible for two 1/2 months, he didn't FLOAT his way to the end like Zach, he hasn't hid behind his alliances either.

He's been hated in that house since the first day and yet, HE'S STILL THERE! He deserves that money more then anyone.

Without ##### in that house, this season would have gone down in flames w/ no one watching, no one signing up for the feeds and no one talking about it.

Can't stand Dani but at least she had game and brought it. 2 HOH's and 5 POV's, not bad! Those two DESERVE to be in the finale.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by kingfish on 09-09-07 at 02:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-09-07 AT 03:08 PM (EST)

Nah, Bravie's right. This is the worst, the devil duo are despicable, and the BB8 cast in general suffers from total lameness, except for Jen. To find oneself hoping that the blasphemous bible thumper Jameka can somehow win (as I am now) forces one to admit that this is as low as the show can go.

BB all-stars is a close second, but Will and heart breaker bonehead Janelle (why, Janelle? why?) redeem that season. The backyard jerk-off mike makes that season close, though.

Maggie's season had some redeeming moments, such as any time that the Cubana Ivette had her mouth shut. Which wasn't often, and when Janelle was on screen, and Howies scourging of the blond with the big implants, Busto.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by LunaLovegood on 09-09-07 at 06:39 PM
AMEN to that!!!! I really like D(i)ck. He may be offensive and rude and downright mean sometimes, but he doesn't pretend to be something he's not. I'm so sick of these "good" people acting so self-righteous when they are exactly like everyone else when it comes right down to it. I hope D(i)ck wins! Maggie and Ivette actually made me stop watching the show - they were the worst 2 in BB history!!!!

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by lynkfri13 on 09-09-07 at 09:00 PM
I also think D!ck has played a great strategic game. Not to mention that despite the fact that he is a foul mouthed sore loser, he has nearly had the patient of a saint in trying to get along with Danielle, and did actually risk himself for her.

I hope he wins, I'll be so sad if self entitled Danielle, or holier than thou Jameka win.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by carmaj0530 on 09-09-07 at 09:17 PM
>I also think D!ck has played a great strategic game. Not
>to mention that despite the fact that he is a
>foul mouthed sore loser, he has nearly had the patient
>of a saint in trying to get along with Danielle,
>and did actually risk himself for her. I hope he wins, I'll be
>so sad if self entitled Danielle, or holier than thou Jameka win.

I agree lynkfri13, I've said it many times before. I would rather be associated with someone like Evil when you know what he's thinking then the people that are so fake you drive yourself crazy trying to figure out if what they say is what they mean. Outside the game, I think it seems he did the best he could, realized he is isn't going to win father of the year but is trying.
As far as Zach, he obviously didn't think his nominations through. He wanted the one vote that was available to be from someone on his "side". Why take the chance by nominating them both from the get go. And I loved the speech, laughed loudly.



"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by volsfan on 09-09-07 at 09:09 PM
He may be offensive and rude and downright mean sometimes, but he doesn't pretend to be something he's not. I'm so sick of these "good" people acting so self-righteous when they are exactly like everyone else when it comes right down to it.

I have to disagree here. Dani and Dick are just as self-righteous as ANYONE in the house. They both proved that tonight.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by KaysarGOTjipped on 09-09-07 at 10:51 PM
Both D.I.C.K AND Dani have been targets from that first day. Quite a few times people had the chance to get ONE or both of them out and LOOKY, LOOKY THEY ARE STILL THERE! I think they have earned the right to be a little self-righteous at this point in the game. I'd much rather know where I stand w/ someone like D.I.C.K then wonder thru out the entire game.

IF D.I.C.K makes it to the final two, it gonna $ uck because the idiots in the jury house will vote emotionally NOT w/ their brains. Dani has the best game and D.I.C.K has the best strategy. The proof is that they are still there.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 09-09-07 at 10:56 PM
Wasn't a lot of Dani's "strategy" handed to her by daddy dearest? Most of her moves were made at the very least by consulting him if not by him through her.


A smokeysmom original


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Glass on 09-10-07 at 11:06 AM
I agree that #####'s game has been a lot better in the second half.

But let's not forget why he survived though. He'd have been dismissed in humiliating fashion, and probably would have shown no class, if not for America's Player.

-Glass


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Kitty Von Tess on 09-09-07 at 11:08 PM
Word, Volsfan. Word.

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by friendtiltheend on 09-10-07 at 11:58 AM
Can you imagine the whining that will ensue should Zac win final HOH? Yes the odds are that Dani will win endurance comp over her dad or Zac but it is not set in stone. Last year volcano disaster with Janelle (who had better win average than Dani) proves that. If Zac does manage to win final HOH, even his last remaining brain cell will tell him to take ED to the Final 2. Will Ed quit and leave house so that Zac will have to take Dani to the Final 2? Stay tuned!

"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 09-10-07 at 12:34 PM
Will Ed quit and leave house so that Zac will have to take Dani to the Final 2?

Or if both Donato's make it to the final two will ED quit at the last minute to give his daughter the win? I'm sure there are things in the contract as penalties for quitting but that hasn't stopped contestants in other shows from doing so.


A smokeysmom original



"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by jd8855 on 09-10-07 at 01:12 PM
He doesn't have to quit he could just give her the money if he wins I don't think there is anything about that in the rules and considering they are related it's no big deal. They only can not make deals i.e. share the money 50/50 as part of an alliance or anything.

I think it would be funny if they made it to the final two I think ED would win against Danielle who just pretty much rode his coattails and complained about him the whole time. I actually kind of hope one of them goes home this week.


"RE: Big Brother #8 Episode #28 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by BBAddict on 09-10-07 at 06:11 PM
I wish Danielle was going home and D!ck got to stay just to burn her a$$... lil brat she is