Thanks for the link. The Weavers are not like any Christians I have ever known-since they don't help out families (that they know) who are in need. Maybe charitable Christianity is not part of their cult.

TAR is very good at editing...makes it hard to know how nice or nasty a team really is. Having said that, the Schroeders and the Linzs have made some pretty unpleasant comments about other teams, in particular the Weavers. The Weavers on the other hand come across as a very close, if slightly nutty family (and nutty can be good).

In addition, Mom Weaver takes a parental role - kind of appropriate, no? Dad Bransen's limp chuckle when his daughter flashed the Linzs looked a wee bit slimy - speaking as a father of 3: not too much leadership or fatherliness in that man.

"Humans are some of the funniest people"

This is a race for a million dollars and has nothing to do with making friends and helping out other teams. What's the big deal?

The Schroeders like other teams in past TAR seasons have a case of bad sport/sore loser syndrome, The Weavers where a team they thought was beneath them in skill and I guess social standing so it ticked them off during the race when the Weavers would pass them and it ticked them off even more when they got eliminated before them.

Well, if that is the case, then I am a poor sport and loser also, because I can't stand the hypocrits. If I hear them ask God to help them find one more thing, I will reach through the TV and beat that mom with her own bible.

I'm with Lisa0116.

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record....

The Schroeders are NOT the only team that seems to dislike the Weavers.

The Weavers ARE the ONLY team I've heard other families complaining about.

Clearly there is plenty of stuff they're not showing us.

On last nights episode the Linz's got all p'd off for Mrs. Weaver shouting encouraging things to other teams as they tried to hit the baseball. What's up with that???

Actually, it was the Weavers who got upset with the Linz family for their banter while Rolly was at bat (heybatterbatterbatter). The Weavers said they just say encouraging things. For example, when they encouraged the Linz's boat driver to go slowly earlier in the leg.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out. The Weavers seem to think it's acceptable for them to yell things when other teams are completing tasks but take offense when something is yelled while they do. Hypocrites.

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Ahhh, I missed that. I didn't realize that Rolly was the one up to bat when she said that. I agree that there must be something more to the Weavers than we are allowed to see.

ETA: That makes the Linz's reaction on the bus make sense now!

Here's what I think ('cause I know you're all just dying to hear my opinion!)

First off, let me preface my post by saying I really hate a lot of things about the Weavers. They are at the bottom of my love list consistantly. The mom needs to stop asking the Lord for everything and those girls need to quit their irritating ways.

That said, I'm going to defend them here! Who the EFF are the Schroeders to even make an effin' statement about who did or did not help them??? What do the Weavers owe them at all??? Perhaps the Weavers (who is a family with a single widowed mom raising 3 teens on a teacher's salary alone) were not in a position to help them!!!

Why should the Weavers feel obligated to them at all when all the Scroeders did while they were on the race was b!tch about "THE FLORIDA TEAM!!!" and how they have to beat "THE FLORIDA TEAM!!!" and how the Schroeder boy shouldn't even speak to Rolly Weaver, etc. WTF was that???

If I was hated like that, I certainly would think twice about helping those who hated me like that.

Just because you are on a reality show together doesn't mean you would help out others who were on the show with you!

PFFFTTT! TO THE EFFIN' SCHROEDERS!!! I'd be greatful anyone helped me at all!

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Perhaps the Weavers (who is a family with a single widowed mom raising 3 teens on a teacher's salary alone) were not in a position to help them!!!

I think Dad Schroeder made a comment to that effect.


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>>I think Dad Schroeder made a comment to that effect.<<

Sort of -- he definitely tried to NOT blame the Weavers for anything.
If you read the actual interview, it's TVGuide that brings up the subject, based on something the Rogers family told them. Dad Schroeder really tried to back away from it.
Stassi, of course, was a brat.

TVGuide.com: The Rogers family told us that all but one of this season's teams rallied to help you after Katrina. Is it safe to say that the holdouts were the Weavers?
Mark: In all fairness, I don't even know if they know our address or phone number. Who's to say that had they known where we were, they wouldn't have done something? I don't want to make a general statement like that, that everybody helped but them.
Stassi: But it's safe to say it was the Weavers.

Perhaps the Weavers (who is a family with a single widowed mom raising 3 teens on a teacher's salary alone) were not in a position to help them!!!

I would have to agree with you on this one. I know that my family and I are very giving people but often we are not in a financial position to give, despite our desire to do so. So without saying whether or not the Weavers had the desire, they may not have had the means. (and there are lots of ways to give to the relief efforts even if they didn't specifically help out the Schroders) I can only imagine how difficult it must be to raise 3 kids on your own.

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>Perhaps the Weavers (who is
>a family with a single
>widowed mom raising 3 teens
>on a teacher's salary alone)
>were not in a position
>to help them!!!

I don't know about being a widowed mom (who is a teacher that doesn't even know which are the Great Lakes), but I DO know that Social Security sends those kids (and their mom) checks once a month. It is called a parental death benefit. Salary plus government checks equals more money than I make to support my family. I think they could afford to help in some way-unless of course they know how creepy and nasty they had been to the other teams during the race (which would make them hang their heads and hide out in shame). In addition, if they didn't have life insurance on a race car driver before his death, then that was just plain stupid!!!

And obviously they are not winners of TAR. Or.... if they were the winners they must be very selfish with their money. Too bad.... christians are suppose to help others regardless of how they feel personally about someone. Idea... Maybe she gave all her money to the church. Ha.

>>>And obviously they are not winners of TAR. Or.... if they were the winners they must be very selfish with their money. <<<

Even if they are the winners, they wouldn't receive the money until the final show aired on TV. Although I'm not condoning their lack of support, If they didn't have anything to give at that time, they still wouldn't have anything to give until the final show.

They could, however, at least called or offered emotional support to the Schroeders, even though in my book they weren't deserving of it by the way they acted as well.

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Who cares how much they get for Social Security? I'm sure it's a lot less than what their dad would be making if he were still alive. He was not a race car driver, he was clearing off debris when he was killed, he worked for Nascar at Daytona. So what if they did or didn't have life insurance, and if they did they should give it to the Schroeders? Rebecca is 19 anyway, so it's not as if they get SS benefits for her.

...and really, who cares if she is a teacher who doesn't know what the Great Lakes are? There are plenty of teachers who don't know things.

As I said, I do not like the Weavers at all (and there is a whole lot to bash about them), but the issue here is not how much money they have (or get monthly), it's that they didn't help the Schroeder's.

You know what? The Schroeder's lost a house and their stuff. A house can be rebuilt and stuff can be replaced, but the Weavers will never have their husband/dad back.

ETA: and you know what? The Schroeders would also be stupid if they didn't have flood insurance!

" ...and really, who cares if she is a teacher who doesn't know what the Great Lakes are? There are plenty of teachers who don't know things."

I care. That is deplorable, inexcusable, and a national embarassment. Maybe she is not the only ignorant teacher in this country, but that doesn't make it any better. And don't forget that she also didn't know if Pennsylvania was a state or a city. And wasn't she also confused about Washington DC being a state? Teachers ought to be educated, and many fifth graders would know more of this sort of basic, basic, basic geography than she does. How does an idiot like that graduate high school, let alone college?

My point was that is not the issue of this discussion.

Her ignorance about Geography has nothing to do with her family not helping the Schroeders after Katrina.

Oh.
So in addition to ranting, I was off-topic?
I think I've got it out of my system - for now.

I don't know about you, but if I had spent a good deal of time with a bunch of families on a race and one of them were in trouble, I would help. They should help if for no other reason than they SAY they are Christians. How charitable is it for CHRISTIANS who ask God for everything from finding clues to (probably) toilet paper not to help someone (who they know personally) in need?? Did they even pray for they Schroeders?? I bet they didn't. Gimme a break-those are not Christians.

The shows are made up of a few minutes of dialogue from hours and hours, and the producers are looking over every square inch for stuff that gets everyone's panties in a wad. Like many of us, there are those who have friends and family members recently affected by natural disasters, illness, etc. and all need help. TV Guide got hold of some gossip (not mentioning any names of course), and created a controversy out of it. What we've been shown of the Weavers, is an attempt to paint ALL Christians as self-righteous, Bible thumping, stupid, shallow hypocrits, based on this one family's performance on a "reality" show.

No. At least for me, it didn't paint ALL Christians in that light. It has highlighted a type of self-styled Christian that is similar to some others that I have met. (And, I'll admit some of that may be due to editing, but I'll also discount some - not all - of what I assume will be the eventual outcry on their part when they see the controversy eventually. Hindsight about your behaviours is always instructive, & self-preservation is almost always primary.)

You'll note the lack of quote marks around the word "Christian", above. I can believe that they think they really are acting as a Christian should. IMHO, many, if not most, that characterise themselves publicly in devout religious terms, insisting that they live up to, and stand by, whatever the tenets of their religion may be, will be found, upon close inspection, wanting on some aspect. The Deity, whatever you choose to call him/her/it, seems to have a dislike of that kind of hubris.

Reality TV, and the editing, just makes it more obvious. Perhaps that's the redeeming aspect of RTV. When faults are exposed and made obvious, some learn from what they see - participants, or not - and adjust their behaviors, accordingly.

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>LAST EDITED ON 10-26-05
>AT 08:59 PM (EST)
>
>Who cares how much they get
>for Social Security? I'm sure
>it's a lot less than
>what their dad would be
>making if he were still
>alive. He was not a
>race car driver, he was
>clearing off debris when he
>was killed, he worked for
>Nascar at Daytona. So what
>if they did or didn't
>have life insurance, and if
>they did they should give
>it to the Schroeders? Rebecca
>is 19 anyway, so it's
>not as if they get
>SS benefits for her.
>
>...and really, who cares if she
>is a teacher who doesn't
>know what the Great Lakes
>are? There are plenty of
>teachers who don't know things.
>
>
>As I said, I do not
>like the Weavers at all
>(and there is a whole
>lot to bash about them),
>but the issue here is
>not how much money they
>have (or get monthly), it's
>that they didn't help the
>Schroeder's.
>
>You know what? The Schroeder's lost
>a house and their stuff.
>A house can be rebuilt
>and stuff can be replaced,
>but the Weavers will never
>have their husband/dad back.
>
>
>ETA: and you know what? The
>Schroeders would also be stupid
>if they didn't have flood
>insurance!

First of all, Flood insurance does NOT cover Hurricane damage! I know that sounds crazy, but I live in Florida and this was one of the biggest complaints from home owners last year. Not only that, but people who live below sea level and who are prone to floods are not even eligible for insurance. It's gotten quite bad down here in that aspect.

As far as SS benefits go. I can attest to the fact that most people are worth more dead than alive. It's just a fact. My brother in law died of a heart attack (49 yrs old) earlier this year. The man was lucky to bring home $1000 a month, and that's on a good month. Now my sister gets social security benefits in the amount of $2100 (tax free) from the gov't each month. She's sitting prettier than she ever would have if he were living. Of course they would rather have him than the money, but in most instances, SS death benefits are quite good...

All that being said, I don't like the Weavers, but it's their business and their business only why they didn't help the Schroeders. I'm a Christian, but I can't afford to contribute to each and every relief effort. Maybe she already gave all she could to the Red Cross or something. That's her business...

Brian Paolo

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Now my sister gets social security benefits in the amount of $2100 (tax free) from the gov't each month. She's sitting prettier than she ever would have if he were living. Of course they would rather have him than the money, but in most instances, SS death benefits are quite good...

Well, at least she is not on welfare, eating bon bons all day.

edited to turn my sarcasm meter on lest anyone think I really believe people on welfare sit around eating bon bons all day.