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"Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by weyhing4 on 08-21-06 at 10:32 AM
Omigod- what a sore loser. I loved this guy last season and all his stupid jedi nonsense and cartoonish macho ego. I also love how he divides females up into "HOT!" and "DOG" categories- a man after my own heart.

Alas this year- it seems his 15 minutes of fame has made "Jedi-Howie" a bit of a Jedi-Jerk. His inexplicable gay sexual harassment of Dr.Will I found nauseating (no pity for Will, though) and his shouting, blustery celebrations upon Season 6 victories makes him a sore winner, (and incredibly stupid).

Last nights display with George & Boogie took the cake. Throwing a guys hat? What grade are you in? SORE LOSER SORE LOSER SORE LOSER - no sympathy whatsoever. Good riddance, "Hurricane" dummy.

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"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Savahnna on 08-21-06 at 10:35 AM
So he lost a little dignity., they all do as soon as they sign up for the freak show.

While his emotions may not have been in check...I totally think his anger was justified. I have a feeling we didn't see all of it....but throwing a hat?? Big fat deal....It was Boogies...I'm more skeeved out that he touched it.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Das Mole on 08-21-06 at 10:47 AM
I liked Howie this season, in fact he's one of the two people that I actually wanted to see make it to the end (the other being Erika).

1) I say his "outburst" upon being evicted was justifiable. Chicken George did promise Howie that he wouldn't be nominated, and then Howie ended up getting evicted anyway.

2) As for the "inexplicable gay sexual harassment", I'd say that there's not a whole lot to be expected from these people...it is, after all, Big Brother. Any chance they get to participate in what could be considered even a minorly sexual act, they probably will.

3) And in regards to the "dividing females up", I'd say that I'm sure Howie is messing around (like when he called George's daughters hot), just as he did with Will.


Oy vey.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by yamihooked on 08-22-06 at 11:28 AM
>I liked Howie this season, in fact he's one of the
>two people that I actually wanted to see make it
>to the end (the other being Erika).
>
>1) I say his "outburst" upon being evicted was justifiable.
>Chicken George did promise Howie that
>he wouldn't be nominated, and then Howie ended up getting
>evicted anyway.
>
>2) As for the "inexplicable gay sexual harassment", I'd say
>that there's not a whole lot to be expected from these
>people...it is, after all, Big Brother. Any chance they get
>to participate in what could be considered even a minorly
>sexual act, they probably will.
>
>
>3) And in regards to the "dividing females up", I'd say
>that I'm sure Howie is messing around (like when he
>called George's daughters hot), just as he did with Will.
>

Howie's messing around with Will came across to me as him finding something that bothered Will and going for it. It wasn't sexual so much as pushing what Howie thought was Will's hotbutton. It's sort of normal adolescent see-if-I-can-rile-him behavior that lots of guys go through. I have to admit that when I occassionally find someone's hotbutton, I can't always resist pushing it.

When Howie called George's daughters hot, I think he was actually trying to flatter George. He just didn't consider that it might be offensive. I believe this because I can easily see myself doing that. Lots of people like Howie (and me) have the "blurt things out" syndrome. It lessens with age though, fortunately.

I agree that Howie had reason to be angry with Boogie. Boogie had no reason to lie to Howie about it. Lying about it in the WR, Boogie was just setting him up to fall that much harder later. Although he had reason to be upset, he didn't do himself any favors by losing control.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Colonel Zoidberg on 08-21-06 at 12:14 PM
Last season, Howie had the Nerd Herd to make him look good. He made some comments about April's dog, but he took them back. He was a goofball and he was comic relief.

This season, his act is old. He doesn't think for himself; he does what Janelle tells him. He's a bully. He wasn't this sore of a loser last season, even when April and two other members of the Nerd Herd outlasted him. he simply wished Janelle the best and didn't do anything mind-numbingly insane like toss someone's hat in anger. Frankly, it's a wonder he isn't expelled for it.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 08-21-06 at 02:32 PM
There's a difference between his eviction last year and what happened this year. Last year, he knew he was getting evicted the minute that Janelle won the POV and he was the only target left on the block along with April, who was the pawn. This year he was lied to time after time, not only by CT, but also by Chicken George. He knows he got stabbed in the back and that's the source of his anger and frustration. His busto rant against April last year was fueled by similar circumstances after Kaysar got backstabbed by J-Blow. Whether we agree or disagree with Howie's exit, I think he remained true to himself and that's better than all the hipocrisy exhibited by some of the other houseguests.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Colonel Zoidberg on 08-21-06 at 04:55 PM
It seems to me that Chicken George didn't actually lie to Howie; at the time he made that promise, he was on board with the Sovereigns and only changed his mind after Boogie's speech. It was the same way Twila swore on her son on Survivor: Vanuatu and took it back. She was on board with the Yasur alliance when she made the promise, but circumstances changed. Therefore, George may be susceptible to threats and changing his mind, but George is not a liar. Granted, it was hard to tell if Boogie was lying or if he freaked because he was unaware that Will volunteered to be nominated. Maybe he's a disingenuous jerkbag or maybe he just fell victim to circumstance; I don't know.

Howie could have handled himself better than he did, but to call Chicken George a liar is a bit of a misnomer.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by yamihooked on 08-22-06 at 11:34 AM
George didn't lie to him, especially time after time.

George was told, right in front of the entire household, that Howie and Janie weren't the ones to save CG the previous week. CG even asked Howie to respond, but Howie didn't understand.

George was threatened by Boogie that unless CG put someone else up besides Will (after Erika announced who CG was nominating, breaking her promise to CG), that Boogie was going to use his power.

George had no one else to put up besides Howie. James was PoV, Erika was already nominated. He didn't want to backdoor either Janie or Dani. If he put Will or Boogie up, Boogie would flip his nominations.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 08-21-06 at 02:09 PM
I think Howie was a bit justfied for his behavior. I thought Boogie's reaction was more over-the top. Did you see when he grabbed Howie's key from the memory wall and threw it across the room. Boogie's faux bravado is so pathetic.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Just Plain Bill on 08-21-06 at 02:25 PM
Of all the people in the house, I think the Howie we saw on TV was the closest thing to the real life persona. And I think he also has the truest self-image of them all with the possible exception of Will.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Savahnna on 08-21-06 at 02:43 PM
>Of all the people in the
>house, I think the Howie
>we saw on TV was
>the closest thing to the
>real life persona. And
>I think he also has
>the truest self-image of them
>all with the possible exception
>of Will.

I agree up until the point about Will's self image. I still don't think we have a clue what that is.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Just Plain Bill on 08-22-06 at 04:11 PM
>>...And I think he also has the truest self-image of them
all with the possible exception of Will.<<

<<I agree up until the point about Will's self image. I still don't think we have a clue what that is.>>

We don't, but the impression I have is that Will doesn't fool himself, the facade he affects for the rest of the world aside.

Unlike, for example, a Mike Boogie who has built up so many layers of crap over himself that he has no more clue as to who he really is and what others' perceptions of him truly are.


"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Denalio on 08-23-06 at 02:17 AM
agree--

I think Howie and Chicken George are basically "what you see is what you get" kind of people- fundamentally not sly enough to pull off anything else.

Will is brilliant and seems to be extremely self-aware of the "role" he plays for the camera to shape the show and manipulate people. He describes himself as able to completely shut down his emotional reactions in the game which, by all appearances, seems to be an accurate assessment of what he does and does well. Based on this, I would agree that Will must have a clear idea of who he is (but we don't necessarily get to see that)

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by kingfish on 08-21-06 at 03:36 PM
His explosion at Boogie made up for some of his childish stuff. Boogie was noticably disconcerted, and that has been just about the only positive aspect of Howie's game. He is the only one in the house who has been able to disconcert Will, and last year he was masterful with his handling of April.

He isn't too smart, and that's a shame, because with his talent for getting under other people's skin and disrupting their thinking, he should be able to get farther in the game.

At the moment when he was leaving the house, a pop in Boogies snotty nose would have made interesting viewing.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Dickslap on 08-21-06 at 11:05 PM
Why? Why? Why didn't you hit him Howie??? I was hoping like hell for a knuckle sandwich, that would have put that little girl booger to sleep for 48 hours.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by roxydog on 08-22-06 at 12:53 PM
If you think that Howie was able to disrupt Will's game you are fooling yourself.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by nailbone on 08-22-06 at 11:00 AM
I just read an interview with Howie on another site, and ya know, he STILL thinks James is part of the Season 6 alliance.


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"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Savahnna on 08-22-06 at 11:07 AM
>I just read an interview
>with Howie on another site,
>and ya know, he STILL
>thinks James is part of
>the Season 6 alliance.

Alright.......so he's not the brains of the group.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by BrassFan on 08-22-06 at 11:22 AM
My big issue with Howie's leaving was simple...

He made some comments about how Marcellus left with no class...and then he turns around two days later, and does the exact same thing....

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by LittleFox on 08-22-06 at 12:32 PM
All Howie did was flip Boogie's hat off and actually had the balls to confront him to his face of his betrayal and incessant lying.

Mike is the one who flew off the handle, name calling, throwing things and breaking things in the house - HE'S the imature loser who needs to "get a life!"

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"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by roxydog on 08-22-06 at 12:50 PM
Howie is an immature idiot. That is obvious already.

What does he and many of you think happens in BB..?

He was betrayed. Tough, that's the game.

There is no need to physically threaten someone becasue of it.

After Howie left Boogie took out some frustration from the slightly traumatic experience that Howie caused. It may have been immature as well but it was a world more mature than getting in someones face in threatning manner.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by BrassFan on 08-22-06 at 05:34 PM
>All Howie did was flip Boogie's
>hat off and actually had
>the balls to confront him
>to his face of his
>betrayal and incessant lying.

And, *that* is leaving with class? I thought leaving with class was when you stood up...gave everyone a hug, congratulated them on beating you, and walked out the door with your head high.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by LittleFox on 08-23-06 at 11:37 AM
I never said that was leaving with class, I only stated that Boogie is the bigger LOSER of the season acting like a 2 year old.

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"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-22-06 at 04:19 PM
>Omigod- what a sore loser. I
>loved this guy last season
>and all his stupid jedi
>nonsense and cartoonish macho ego.
>I also love how he
>divides females up into "HOT!"
>and "DOG" categories- a man
>after my own heart.
>
>Alas this year- it seems his
>15 minutes of fame has
>made "Jedi-Howie" a bit of
>a Jedi-Jerk. His inexplicable gay
>sexual harassment of Dr.Will I
>found nauseating (no pity for
>Will, though) and his shouting,
>blustery celebrations upon Season 6
>victories makes him a sore
>winner, (and incredibly stupid).
>
>Last nights display with George &
>Boogie took the cake. Throwing
>a guys hat? What grade
>are you in? SORE LOSER
>SORE LOSER SORE LOSER -
>no sympathy whatsoever. Good riddance,
>"Hurricane" dummy.


I disagree with the initial post. I had no problem with him being upset that Boogie lied to him. Boogie did not have to do that. Howie knew he was going home til both Will and Boogie lied for no reason whatsoever. Then Boogie acting all smug tries to come over and give Howie a hug....Will was smart to stay away. Howie was blindsided and I don't blame him. Believe me, if they allowed hugs on Survivor there would be more moments like this. The reason they don't have the hugging is because you might actually see a physical confrontation. I credit Howie for not nailing him to be honest......and this comes from someone who has been rooting for Will and Boogie. Putting myself in Howie's shoes....I give him credit for acting as cool as he did.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by chappi66 on 08-22-06 at 05:18 PM
ZERO to ZERO as far as I am concerned. I did not like the SOV6 however, I did like Howie last season when I did not care for the others. But Howie, last season and this season, was the ultimate floater. Other HG have been ragging on Diane, Jase, CG and Erika for being floaters but Howie has not done Jacksquat. He could not make a decision for himself if his life depended on it, especially if he is naive enough to believe that James is still in their alliance. The reason he got back on this year is because he is funny and he is good for the ratings, but as far as being a strategic player - yeah right. BYE BYE HOWIE!!
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by JoshInSGV on 08-23-06 at 04:55 AM
>ZERO to ZERO as far as
>I am concerned. I
>did not like the SOV6
>however, I did like Howie
>last season when I did
>not care for the others.
> But Howie, last season
>and this season, was the
>ultimate floater. Other HG
>have been ragging on Diane,
>Jase, CG and Erika for
>being floaters but Howie has
>not done Jacksquat. He
>could not make a decision
>for himself if his life
>depended on it, especially if
>he is naive enough to
>believe that James is still
>in their alliance. The
>reason he got back on
>this year is because he
>is funny and he is
>good for the ratings, but
>as far as being a
>strategic player - yeah right.
> BYE BYE HOWIE!!


Can you please explain how Howie is the ultimate floater? I can understand people saying that Howie was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, I don't see how he could qualify as a floater. He was very loyal to the Sovereing 6 last year. And, he remained very loyal to the Sovereigns again this year, even to his own detriment. A floater is someone who travels back and forth from one alliance to another depending on who has the power for that week. Erika seems to fit that definition more than Howie did. Howie always made it very clear that his allegiance was to the Sov alliance.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by chappi66 on 08-23-06 at 09:29 AM
IMO a floater also means someone who floats thru the game riding on everyone elses coat tails. This person also cannot make strategic decisions nor do they win competitions, not because they are throwing them, but because they just can't win them.

Howie fits into this category so well. Maybe you would not define him as a "floater" by your definition but to me Howie, has been skating thru this game letting everyone else make the decisions for him. He did it last year and he is doing it again this year. The reason why he is where he is, is because he is not a strategic player. Maybe a better definition would be the "ulimate skater". He is the ulimate goof off and how he managed to get into the game in the first place still puzzles me.

By the way, George is also deemed a "floater" by the HG's however, I don't think George has really floated from alliance to alliance. He is just floating thru the game. Flying under the radar, just like Howie. Actually he is doing better than Howie because he is still in the game.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Lahela on 08-23-06 at 07:24 PM
I totally agree with you on this issue, chappie.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by roxydog on 08-22-06 at 05:48 PM
Anyone who thinks that Howie was right has some maturity issues.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Hooters on 08-23-06 at 00:20 AM
Howie has no one to blame but himself & Janelle. If Janelle had put up CT, what is it 3 times with HOH?? Then maybe Kaysar, Marcellas & Howie would still be in the game. Who knows, but if anyone thinks they can play BB and not lie, well, they're just crazy. Howie & Janelle lied to CG about not voting out Erika. Janelle admitted in the DR that she & Howie would have said anything to stay in the house. Some of these people live by the rule, "do as I say, not as I do". Howie just showed how little class he has, especially after calling out Marcellas for acting the way he did when he left the house.
"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by okaychatt on 08-23-06 at 11:45 AM
Hi weyhing4.

I'm not too surprised at the way Howie behaved on eviction day.

He has shown a volatile personality in the house. Remember last year's Busto routine? And all the posturing this year?

The man is obnoxious. I don't ever want to see him on any reality tv show again.

The boobies man is a BOOB!


Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Lahela on 08-23-06 at 07:34 PM
totally agree with Roxydog.

sure, Howie was fully justified in being upset, but he took it a step too far with the hat flinging. That wasn't necessary. And after doing THAT, how can you not think Boogie was justified in being equally upset?? He just called out Howie as he saw it...sarcastically calling him a "class act". Especially after Howie made a big deal about how Marcellas and his not so classy exit. You can't sit there and say Howie was justified and think Boogie was just as justified in his reaction. Howie showed his immaturing and classlessness by not being able to handle an immature comment after his equally immature behavior. Both made themselves out to be idiots. Both were acting childish.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by drebaby on 08-24-06 at 10:49 PM
Howie was the show's "idiot savant" and will continue those antics in the sequester house. I agree that he floated on the coatails of the other SOV6 and if he had survived by being the only season 6 holdover, he probably wouldn't have enough sense to know how to strategize to keep himself in the game.

If CT had been ousted earlier and Allison and Diane had stayed on long enough to get booted off into the sequester house with Howie, he'd be having a field day.

Based on his earlier "excited over Will" antics, he probably wishes Marci had already grown boobies so he could have something to stare at and comment on until a real woman showed up

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by Aruba on 08-25-06 at 05:11 AM
I was never a diehard Howie fan, but with Howie, what you saw is what you got. That is a breath of fresh air compared to other two-faced, hypocritical HGs.

Whereas his behavior upon leaving the house was that of a sore-loser, as long as he continues to get on "Marci's" nerves in the Sequester House, he'll definitely move up the ladder on my likeness meter.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by O Henry on 09-07-06 at 09:41 AM
I agree that Howie was genuine the whole time. He was angry at George for betraying him and he expressed it. It is nice to see somebody tell the truth and not try to put lipstick on the pig.

And it was nice to see George drop his Gomer Pyle fresh off the turnip truck impersonation, turn beet red, and yell back at Howie.

"RE: Howie- HERO to ZERO"
Posted by thecrossbowkid on 09-07-06 at 08:04 AM
Oh yeah- I Think after Tuesday's night's episode that your point is fully realized.

It made me very angry when Howie bullied poor dumb George, shouting at him that he is a "Fat Fatass!" and other stuff. You could tell everyone hated him. This guy's 15 minutes of fame has made him sickeningly arrogant. Of all the people to pick on, George? I am surprised I ever thought he was cool- this guy has tryly devolved into a ZERO.

I Hate You Howie!