I'd take a booger win over an Erika win.

Erika, winning Big Brother ALL STAR?

From day 1, IMO, she has not belonged in that house. I never considered her an all-star.

I guess I would too.

As if last years ending wasn't nausiating enough...lesser of 2 evils....now we have lesser of 2 evil losers. uughhhhh......

Not giving up on Janie YET until I officially hear Mike wins HOH.

If Janelle can talk Erika into going in the final 2 with her....she is equally as brilliant as Will as far as I'm concerned....even if it was all done in "the last hour"

Does anyone think Boogie actually needs to throw this HOH and hope Erika takes him? He needs 4 votes. I don't think there is any way he gets Howie's, Marci's or CG's votes over Erika.....which means he has to hope for Will, James, Dani and whoever gets the boot. If Boogie boots Janelle she votes for Erika. If Janelle hasn't told him already she has got to soon. ....but if Erika boots Janelle there is no way Janelle votes for her and that could be Boogie's 4th vote. In reality (no pun intended) I don't see Boogie throwing it because then Erika may just take Janie, but for him to win I think thats his best shot.

I think James would vote Erika over Mike.

Didn't James leave by getting backdoored again??

LAST EDITED ON 09-07-06 AT 02:14 PM (EST)

In one of James' exit interviews, he said that he was OK with anyone left in the house winning with the exception of CG or Erika (meaning that he would vote for Boogie, Janelle, Will or Dani over either of them).

He's a certain anti-Erika vote against either of the other 2.

James and Dani would never vote for Erika over Boogie. Even if Erika convincingly throws HOH to Boogie tonight, and he takes her, Jani would probably vote for Boogie as well. Even though Howie is mad at Boogie, he thinks Erika is worthless, so it's a toss up. He'll probably vote however Jani tells him to. Marcellas is the only sure vote Erika would have over Boogie.

Erika has only a slightly better chance against Janelle, and only if she wins the final HOH and ousts Boogie with a great speech. Then, she could argue to the jury that she was the one who figured out CT, and had to convince a blinded Jani. If, and it's a big if, the jury respects that she ousted CT, when they couldn't, she could get a couple of votes that way. I just don't see her beating either one, and I think she'd rather lose to Jani than Boogie, but she may be just delusional enough to think she could beat him.

LAST EDITED ON 09-07-06 AT 02:58 PM (EST)

>James and Dani would never vote
>for Erika over Boogie.

I think saying both of them are a given for Boogie is a stretch. He did have a big hand in booting both of them. But lets give him both votes. I think Erika has 3 solid votes in Howie, CG and Marci. I think those 3 are much more solid than any 3 votes Boogie would have. If Boogie boots Janie then Janie votes for Erika (see girl power, we're not dumb, etc). My point being, isn't it really in Boogie's best interest to lose the HOH? If he wins and takes Erika, which of those 4 votes is he getting? He really needs Janelle's vote.

Again, I know it would never happen because he has to trust Erika to take him, but vote-wise it has got to help him.

>Even if Erika convincingly throws
>HOH to Boogie tonight, and
>he takes her, Jani would
>probably vote for Boogie as well.

true, I never knew you were in the LoJ, but this sounds like LoJ logic.

As long as Janelle doesn't figure out that Erika threw HoH (and what has she figured out so far?), she'll NEVER vote for Boogie to win. She feels like a fool for the way she got played, and she's not going to vote for one of the conspirators who played her.

I agree with your point that Howie will vote however Janelle tells him -- which should mean that he'll vote for Erika too. After all, it was Boogie that he wanted to punch when he got booted.

Never say never though....at least when Will has some intervention time alone with Janie.

Without Erika around to remind her how they got "played" by CT...Will just could have the right words to get the "last" word with Janielle.

Well, you're right about Jani probably not figuring out that she threw it to Boogie, but I disagree that she'll never vote for Boogie to win. Janelle is mad at herself for letting Will play her. She doesn't feel Boogie played her on any personal level, like Will did, so she doesn't hold Boogie responsible for her stupid behavior. Even then, Jani and Erika both were in awe of CT's sneaky strategy, and they both agreed that it was an all-star plan. Even though Jani feels duped by Will, she does give them BOTH credit for playing her. All she knows about Erika is that she was also duped. When she votes for Boogie, it will be because he had game, and Erika did not, especially if she can't manage to beat Boogie in a Q&A about former hg's comp.

As for Howie, he despised Erika. Couldn't stand her and the float herd. He thinks she is as big a waste as James does. I don't think he is a sure vote for Erika at all.

But Erika's alternative is to win HoH and boot Boogie. In that case, she's 100% guaranteed to lose, because Boogie, Will, Dani, James and Howie are certain to vote for Janelle over Erika.

Of course, determining that requires logic, and logic has never been the strong point of the "hos," just the "bros."

Yes, but if you're playing for second place who do you want to lose to, the guy who screwed you over, or the other duped woman? I say she loses either way, and in order to save face she HAS to dump Boogie on national TV.

But then there's that logic thing.

I guess we just disagree about whether Erika's destined to lose in a showdown with Boogie. I think her finishing second is only a sure thing against Janelle, but -- hard as it is to believe -- I think she has a reasonable chance to beat Boogie as long as she keeps Janelle's vote.

And I'd be stunned if Janelle votes for Boogie, even if Will has five days to work on her before the final vote. Once she gets back with Howie, Will won't have so much influence over her.

Yes, and as I said above, I think Erika will try turn his "showmance" strategy around on him to get him to throw it.

Janelle will vote for Boogie if Erika wins and takes Boogie to the finals. Despite how awful CT was to those girls (in their eyes, at least) they know the were out strategized, and would lose to (and in Jani's case if Erika boots her, vote for) Boogie in the end.

LAST EDITED ON 09-07-06 AT 02:16 PM (EST)

>Janelle will vote for Boogie if
>Erika wins and takes Boogie to the finals.

...which is why she shouldn't win HoH. Boogie is certain to take her over Janelle.

A little Nash analysis...

Erika's best chance to win is to throw the HOH comp, hope Janelle ins't wise to it, and count on Boogie to take her to the finals. She can't win against Janelle, nor can she win without Janelle and Howie's votes.

Would Boogie take her? Probably. He'd have Will, Dani and James in his corner. Erika would have CG, Janelle, and Howie. Marcellas would be the swing vote, who would probably vote for Erika.

Under this scenario, Erika beats Boogie 4-3.

If Boogie took Janelle, he knows he'd lose in a landslide. Odds are that if Boogie wins HOH, he comes in second to either Erika or Janelle.

Therefore, Boogie should consider throwing the HOH to Erika. If Erika scumbags Janelle, Boogie will pick up votes from Janelle and Howie, and will likely win 5-2 (with Marcy and CG as the only votes for Erika).

However, Boogie has to consider the high possibilty that Erika would keep her F2 promise to Janelle.

What should Boogie do? He should try to win HOH, but also let Janelle know that Erika threw it. Tell her beforehand that Erika is planning on throwing it. If Janelle believes him, Boogie would win by a 5-2 margin, but wouldn't have to take his chances with Erika's moral dilemma.

What should Erika do? Throw the HOH to Boogie, then deny, deny, deny that she threw it. If she can fool Janelle, Erika will win.

What should Janelle do?

Janelle knows that Boogie won't bring her to the F2. Erika has promised to, but she still might scumbag her. Or worse, throw the HOH comp. Janelle should figure this out even before Boogie rats Erika out.

Therefore, Janelle's strategy is two-fold: first, she has to try to convince Erika that Boogie (with Will's help) will beat her in the F2. Also, convince Erika that she can beat Janelle in the F2. In reality, the situation is reversed: Janelle is unbeatable, but Boogie is a toss up.

The second part of Janelle's strategy is to let Erika know that she's worried that Erika will throw the HOH. And, more importantly, that Janelle won't vote for her if she suspects that Erika threw it. Nor will Howie.

At the end of the day, as Will would say, I don't really think any of the HGs have the strategic foresight to make this happen. Instead, I expect Erika to throw the HOH, then beat Boogie in the F2.

Rasta, I agree with most of your logic. I think that in order for Boogie or Ericka to win they have a better chance against each other than against Janelle. I'm not that certain that Janelle is totally unbeatable, but she would probably be more popular than either Boogie and Ericka.

The mistake would be for Ericka to go with Janelle, mainly because Janelle's pitch the the jury would be the same as Ericka's. That is, she was taken advantage of by Boogie and Will. Both women could and probably would paint Boogie and Will as the villains. Therefore, it's easier for either of them to take Boogie into the final two and paint him (along with Will) as the bad guy who got everyone else voted out.

Boogie's pitch should be to claim strategy. He (and Will) demonstrated the best strategy in playing the game. Stress that it was nothing personal against any of them, and that the whole object of the game was to last until the end. Point out that neither Ericka nor Janelle demonstrated any strategy when they played and also point out that both of them were more than willing to turn against people they said were allies.

Boogie would probably have Will (make that definietly), James and Danielle voting for him. James and Danielle demonstrated no great love for Janelle. Howie's definitely in Janelle's corner. If Ericka goes and Boogie votes her out them she would, I think, vote for Janelle. I'm really not that certain how George and Marcellas would vote.

One thing I do believe is that whoever wins the final HOH they will take the person who they feel they have the greatest chance of beating with them, not necessarily honor any promises.

Why would Boogie take Janelle over Erika if he had the choice?

>Why would Boogie take Janelle over
>Erika if he had the
>choice?

I'm not certain that he would. Except that Boogie may not think that Janelle is all that invincible. I think that George, for instance, would be more likely to vote for Ericka in a Boogie/Ericka match but I'm not certain that he would necessarily go for Janelle. Also, since Ericka convinced Janelle to vote out Will, Boogie may think it's a good idea to get revenge on Ericka.

I do think that Marcellas is the wild card. He could go either way in any combination we could mention for the final two.

I guess Ms. I can win any challenge I want isn't so great at challenges after all. Two chances at the final HOH and she couldn't win either. Make that the second year in a row she couldn't win the biggest challenge in the game.

For someone who is such a great competitor she sure does choke when all the money is on the line.

Will ----> sequester

Janie ----> still in the house


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>Will ----> sequester
>
>Janie ----> still in the house
>

and your point is?

Now try this equation since you just love simple math....

Will = 1/2 on Big Brother = $500,000 richer

Janelle = soon to be 0/2 on Big Brother = still slinging drinks for minimum wage.